*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (8 Viewers)

[Green94]

I'm not sure what about this doesn't make sense.

Miami is Wade's team. Why LeBron would potentially compromise his "brand" for titles this early in his career is beyond me. Six years from now if he hasn't won a title, yes, by all means join up with a few other superstars and win a couple of titles like the Celtics did.

 

[biggamer3]

Just how much of a disaster was this off season for the nets? All they came away with was a massive billboard!

 

[Jewell]

I'd love to see LeBron go to Miami. It would be tough for my Lakers, as I think that would be the team Los Angeles would meet in the Finals, and they would certainly be formidable with that trio, if not favorites. But I really like the idea of the "superteam". It's always exciting. Usually superteams feature 1 or two players past their prime, like the Celtics from 2 years ago, or the Lakers when they added Karl Malone and Gary Payton. This would be the first superteam I can think of in which each star is in his prime or approaching his prime. It would be great for the NBA- IF it happens.

Earl Monroe joined Walt Frazier, Willis Reed, Dave DeBuscherre, and Bill Bradley. All five were still at or very close to their prime, and all are HOFers. Give me that "superteam" over LeBron, DWade, the suddenly overrated Bosh, and the other two stiffs that will fill out Miami's starting five.

 

[Bobcat10]

LeBron to Miami makes the least sense out of all these scenarios.

I agree. I don't understand why he wouldn't have just gone to the Bulls (or maybe even the Nets) with Bosh. He's never going to be able to seperate himself from Wade no matter what anyone says now. If he goes to the Heat, it also proves Lebron never really did have his mind set until very very recently...yes he made his decision, but he ended up getting owned in the process. He'll rightfully get the Model treatment after the way this was handled and for what happened at the end of the season...and he'll play the Akron, OH card.

You don't think he would have had a problem with separating himself from/living under the constant shadow of a superstar in Chicago? It would have taken him a minimum of seven years to be considered the franchise's greatest player ever. In Miami it'll take him maybe two or three.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he's making a brilliant move. I just don't see how you claim that Miami doesn't make sense because it damages his legacy/standing somehow to be on the same team as a guy he's clearly superior to in Dwyane Wade, but then suggest that he should instead have been the guy who led the best "Post-Jordan" Bulls teams.

I understand what you're saying. Certainly a fine line here. I think he could have built his own legacy in Chicago whether he "surpassed" Jordan or not (I don't think he ever will regardless of where he goes or how many titles he wins), but it's going to be different in Miami.

 

[shake zula]

I'm not sure what about this doesn't make sense.

Miami is Wade's team. Why LeBron would potentially compromise his "brand" for titles this early in his career is beyond me. Six years from now if he hasn't won a title, yes, by all means join up with a few other superstars and win a couple of titles like the Celtics did.

People don't dissect legacies the way people are doing it in this thread. Lebron is essentially doing what Garnett did after the fact, he would be doing what Barkley tried to do towards the end of his career and what he wishes he could have accomplished. Lebron seems to have the foresight at an earlier age. I truly believe that his legacy has already been determined. Right now he's one of the best players ever not to win a championship. He goes to Miami wins 2-3 titles and his now one of the best players ever, period. Wade being there won't make a lick of difference in terms of his legacy.

 

[Green94]

I understand what you're saying. Certainly a fine line here. I think he could have built his own legacy in Chicago whether he "surpassed" Jordan or not (I don't think he ever will regardless of where he goes or how many titles he wins), but it's going to be different in Miami.

And he had a chance to build his legacy in NJ/NY/CHI/LA... but to tag along with 2 other All-Stars will surely diminish everything he and his "camp" has worked for thus far.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Raptors sign Linus Kleiza to a 4 year $20M offer sheet. Nuggets with 7 days to match.

 

[Walton Goggins]

Ray Allen to re-sign with Celts

 

[pollardsvision]

I'm not sure what about this doesn't make sense.

Miami is Wade's team. Why LeBron would potentially compromise his "brand" for titles this early in his career is beyond me. Six years from now if he hasn't won a title, yes, by all means join up with a few other superstars and win a couple of titles like the Celtics did.

With such a huge shakeup, I'm not sure people will see it that way. I think Wade might be a better player, but there's no denying that Lebron is the bigger star. Wade's title feels like it was 20 years ago and the Heat haven't been anything special since the title. Wade's carrying those stiffs to a 47 win season last year might've been more impressive than Lebron's year (his supporting cast wasn't great, but it was miles better than Wade's), but nobody was really paying attention. Imo, Wade has been very underrated and somewhat forgotten since his title.I think people will seen this as Lebron's team (even if it's not true. the perception is what matters). Wade's not the one getting his own hour-long special tonight. Another factor: Wade's no young pup any more, he's injury prone, and his style play will lend to injuries and maybe a shortened career. I doubt we are too many seasons away from Wade spending half of his regular seasons in 3 piece suits waiting to gear up for the playoffs. A few seasons of that and people will never remember that is was once Wade's team.

Mentioning the Celtics is a good comparison. Pierce and Garnett are both considered better players now than they were before they joined up. Pierce especially. In absolutely no way did joining forces hurt their "legacy". It made it.

All it really boils down to, though, is that if Lebron is interested in an all-time legacy and his brand, it all starts with titles. For what Lebron wants, 2 or 3 won't do. 2 or 3 in CLE (or NY or NJ) would be a stretch. Joining forces with Wade so early in his career puts 6+ in play.

 

[Masked Vigilante]

Raptors sign Linus Kleiza to a 4 year $20M offer sheet. Nuggets with 7 days to match.

Raptors sign another white guy.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Raptors sign Linus Kleiza to a 4 year $20M offer sheet. Nuggets with 7 days to match.

Raptors sign another white guy.

Another white foreign guy.

 

[thecatch]

I understand what you're saying. Certainly a fine line here. I think he could have built his own legacy in Chicago whether he "surpassed" Jordan or not (I don't think he ever will regardless of where he goes or how many titles he wins), but it's going to be different in Miami.

And he had a chance to build his legacy in NJ/NY/CHI/LA... but to tag along with 2 other All-Stars will surely diminish everything he and his "camp" has worked for thus far.

I don't think playing with other all-stars would hurt his legacy at all, on its own (see Abraham's posts earlier in the thread). I do question whether Miami fans would ever consider the Heat "LeBron's team" even if they won future titles, given that Wade has already won a title there and presumably has some pretty deep roots in the community.

 

[Northern Voice]

Being the #3 man should suit Bosh well in Miami, he was miscast as a franchise player in Toronto.

 

[Juxtatarot]

I can't criticize LeBron's decision. He chose playing with friends and winning over money and his legacy. There is nothing wrong with that.

 

[timschochet]

I'd love to see LeBron go to Miami. It would be tough for my Lakers, as I think that would be the team Los Angeles would meet in the Finals, and they would certainly be formidable with that trio, if not favorites. But I really like the idea of the "superteam". It's always exciting. Usually superteams feature 1 or two players past their prime, like the Celtics from 2 years ago, or the Lakers when they added Karl Malone and Gary Payton. This would be the first superteam I can think of in which each star is in his prime or approaching his prime. It would be great for the NBA- IF it happens.

Earl Monroe joined Walt Frazier, Willis Reed, Dave DeBuscherre, and Bill Bradley. All five were still at or very close to their prime, and all are HOFers. Give me that "superteam" over LeBron, DWade, the suddenly overrated Bosh, and the other two stiffs that will fill out Miami's starting five.

Well, that was before I started watching basketball, so I can't comment intelligently. But in the present day, these are 3 awfully big names. As far as LeBron's "brand" being hurt by playing on Wade's team, stuff and nonsense, IMO. The Lakers were Kareem's team until Magic was drafted, and then they became Magic's team. And in the end, who cares who's team it is, so long as they win rings?

 

[shake zula]

I understand what you're saying. Certainly a fine line here. I think he could have built his own legacy in Chicago whether he "surpassed" Jordan or not (I don't think he ever will regardless of where he goes or how many titles he wins), but it's going to be different in Miami.

And he had a chance to build his legacy in NJ/NY/CHI/LA... but to tag along with 2 other All-Stars will surely diminish everything he and his "camp" has worked for thus far.

I don't think playing with other all-stars would hurt his legacy at all, on its own (see Abraham's posts earlier in the thread). I do question whether Miami fans would ever consider the Heat "LeBron's team" even if they won future titles, given that Wade has already won a title there and presumably has some pretty deep roots in the community.

I think you are right, this will always be Wade's team. Wade has established himself in the community and ingratiated himself. But it's irrelevant, Lebron wants to win and he wants to do it with Wade and Bosh. I tend to agree that these athletes have a huge ego, but they are not THAT far removed from reality. Think of it this way: When you play pick up basketball don't you want to play with your friends? Wouldn't you want to play with your friend especially if he could dunk?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Raptors sign Linus Kleiza to a 4 year $20M offer sheet. Nuggets with 7 days to match.

Better alert the media

 

[Green94]

I can't criticize LeBron's decision. He chose playing with friends and winning over money and his legacy. There is nothing wrong with that.

Yep, after all it his decision.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Season Tickets in Miami are all but sold out. You could get a lower bowl ticket last week for $2,750 for the season...team jacked those overnight to about $5,500.

 

[timschochet]

If he REALLY wants to tick off some people, James will invite Art Modell as a special guest on the show tonight.

ART: Lebron, I just want to be the first to congratulate you...

 

[oneohh]

I know I've heard him say this before, but I heard this morning that elBJ said he has "spoiled the people of Cleveland with his play". Did he say this again under these circumstances? Or were they (Mike & Mike) simply recanting from previous dbaggery?

 

[Bobcat10]

I know I've heard him say this before, but I heard this morning that elBJ said he has "spoiled the people of Cleveland with his play". Did he say this again under these circumstances? Or were they (Mike & Mike) simply recanting from previous dbaggery?

M/M and Windhorst were talking about what he said in the past. Lebron hasn't spoken to anyone in a while.They also talked about Model and what Windhorst was saying apparently came from Model a week or so ago. Interesting stuff....tims, you don't really know what you're talking about.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Season Tickets in Miami are all but sold out. You could get a lower bowl ticket last week for $2,750 for the season...team jacked those overnight to about $5,500.

But will the fans show up before the second quarter?

 

[whitem0nkey]

If im kobe I would be a little mad, he just won his 5th title and every one is talking about some FA who has not won anything.

 

[timschochet]

I know I've heard him say this before, but I heard this morning that elBJ said he has "spoiled the people of Cleveland with his play". Did he say this again under these circumstances? Or were they (Mike & Mike) simply recanting from previous dbaggery?

M/M and Windhorst were talking about what he said in the past. Lebron hasn't spoken to anyone in a while.They also talked about Model and what Windhorst was saying apparently came from Model a week or so ago. Interesting stuff....tims, you don't really know what you're talking about.

It was a joke, Bobcat. I actually feel bad for Cleveland fans, and more so if he leaves.

 

[boubucarow]

I understand what you're saying. Certainly a fine line here. I think he could have built his own legacy in Chicago whether he "surpassed" Jordan or not (I don't think he ever will regardless of where he goes or how many titles he wins), but it's going to be different in Miami.

And he had a chance to build his legacy in NJ/NY/CHI/LA... but to tag along with 2 other All-Stars will surely diminish everything he and his "camp" has worked for thus far.

Like if he joins the Bulls he won't end up playing with 2 other All Stars as they win 65+ games.However, to those saying Wade won't hurt James legacy I don't get it. James has the ability to be the greatest player to ever play the game. Yes, if he joins the Heat he will probably win multiple titles and be Hall of Famer. But Kobe has 5 rings to Jordan's 6 and no one is making the claim he is near MJ's legacy. Pippen has 6 rings and most argue he doesn't belong in the top 50. The problem for LeBron is the chances he is seen as the GOAT could be diminished if he is winning titles with Wade being seen as an equal or even worse the better player when it matters most. No player has been more worried from the age of 18 on to be the GOAT more than Kobe Bryant. There is no way Kobe at the same age would have joined the Heat. He would pick his best situation to win while he was the elite player on that team. He wants to be the elite player winning the title because nothing in this sport adds more to your legacy.So it isn't a case of how many All Stars a team has, the Bulls or Heat both have a great chance at 3 All Stars for the foreseeable future if James joins their team. The difference is that Wade can challenge James as the best player on his own team. Unless Rose improves by leaps and bounds this year, I don't see the Bulls ever having a player near the level of James.Right or wrong. This is how we view things.

 

[shake zula]

Season Tickets in Miami are all but sold out. You could get a lower bowl ticket last week for $2,750 for the season...team jacked those overnight to about $5,500.

But will the fans show up before the second quarter?

Who knows. The arena is in a PITA spot.

 

[Premier]

I love that there are people out there that don't realize this is all misinformation being spread by Team Lebron to get people interested (even more than they are) and watching tonight. Absolutely nobody but Lebron knows what he is doing, lemmings. You're all being worked.

 

[Jewell]

I'd love to see LeBron go to Miami. It would be tough for my Lakers, as I think that would be the team Los Angeles would meet in the Finals, and they would certainly be formidable with that trio, if not favorites. But I really like the idea of the "superteam". It's always exciting. Usually superteams feature 1 or two players past their prime, like the Celtics from 2 years ago, or the Lakers when they added Karl Malone and Gary Payton. This would be the first superteam I can think of in which each star is in his prime or approaching his prime. It would be great for the NBA- IF it happens.

Earl Monroe joined Walt Frazier, Willis Reed, Dave DeBuscherre, and Bill Bradley. All five were still at or very close to their prime, and all are HOFers. Give me that "superteam" over LeBron, DWade, the suddenly overrated Bosh, and the other two stiffs that will fill out Miami's starting five.

Well, that was before I started watching basketball, so I can't comment intelligently. But in the present day, these are 3 awfully big names. As far as LeBron's "brand" being hurt by playing on Wade's team, stuff and nonsense, IMO. The Lakers were Kareem's team until Magic was drafted, and then they became Magic's team. And in the end, who cares who's team it is, so long as they win rings?

The league's reigning MVP and arguably best player, Moses Malone, once joined arguably the league's most popular player at the time, Julius Erving. I don't think that Moses cared that he was playing on "Doctor's Team" when he was hoisting the Championship trophy later that season.

 

[Bobcat10]

I love that there are people out there that don't realize this is all misinformation being spread by Team Lebron to get people interested (even more than they are) and watching tonight. Absolutely nobody but Lebron knows what he is doing, lemmings. You're all being worked.

This is very possible. I'd say it's more fun to roll with the punches as they are thrown though.

 

[Bobcat10]

Season Tickets in Miami are all but sold out. You could get a lower bowl ticket last week for $2,750 for the season...team jacked those overnight to about $5,500.

But will the fans show up before the second quarter?

Doesn't this guy work in Miami?Dan LeBatard: "I feel bad for Cleveland. Miami is a bad sports town, a bandwagon sports town, not a loyal sports town like Cleveland".

 

[Green94]

Like if he joins the Bulls he won't end up playing with 2 other All Stars as they win 65+ games.

Good point about playing with other All-Stars but Wade and Bosh are superstars, I guess I should have clarified.

 

[oneohh]

I know I've heard him say this before, but I heard this morning that elBJ said he has "spoiled the people of Cleveland with his play". Did he say this again under these circumstances? Or were they (Mike & Mike) simply recanting from previous dbaggery?

M/M and Windhorst were talking about what he said in the past. Lebron hasn't spoken to anyone in a while.They also talked about Model and what Windhorst was saying apparently came from Model a week or so ago. Interesting stuff....tims, you don't really know what you're talking about.

no ####ETA: Oh, and on the Lebron comment.

 

[Green94]

I love that there are people out there that don't realize this is all misinformation being spread by Team Lebron to get people interested (even more than they are) and watching tonight. Absolutely nobody but Lebron knows what he is doing, lemmings. You're all being worked.

Yet nobody has mentioned the Bulls yet... perhaps it's his final destination!

 

[shake zula]

Season Tickets in Miami are all but sold out. You could get a lower bowl ticket last week for $2,750 for the season...team jacked those overnight to about $5,500.

But will the fans show up before the second quarter?

Doesn't this guy work in Miami?Dan LeBatard: "I feel bad for Cleveland. Miami is a bad sports town, a bandwagon sports town, not a loyal sports town like Cleveland".

DLB is right. But Miami is 10x the event town that Cleveland is. Heat games will be an event with James.

 

[Hellfire Snail]

I understand what you're saying. Certainly a fine line here. I think he could have built his own legacy in Chicago whether he "surpassed" Jordan or not (I don't think he ever will regardless of where he goes or how many titles he wins), but it's going to be different in Miami.

And he had a chance to build his legacy in NJ/NY/CHI/LA... but to tag along with 2 other All-Stars will surely diminish everything he and his "camp" has worked for thus far.

Like if he joins the Bulls he won't end up playing with 2 other All Stars as they win 65+ games.However, to those saying Wade won't hurt James legacy I don't get it. James has the ability to be the greatest player to ever play the game. Yes, if he joins the Heat he will probably win multiple titles and be Hall of Famer. But Kobe has 5 rings to Jordan's 6 and no one is making the claim he is near MJ's legacy. Pippen has 6 rings and most argue he doesn't belong in the top 50. The problem for LeBron is the chances he is seen as the GOAT could be diminished if he is winning titles with Wade being seen as an equal or even worse the better player when it matters most. No player has been more worried from the age of 18 on to be the GOAT more than Kobe Bryant. There is no way Kobe at the same age would have joined the Heat. He would pick his best situation to win while he was the elite player on that team. He wants to be the elite player winning the title because nothing in this sport adds more to your legacy.So it isn't a case of how many All Stars a team has, the Bulls or Heat both have a great chance at 3 All Stars for the foreseeable future if James joins their team. The difference is that Wade can challenge James as the best player on his own team. Unless Rose improves by leaps and bounds this year, I don't see the Bulls ever having a player near the level of James.Right or wrong. This is how we view things.

I'm sorry, those arguing that playing with Wade won't change his legacy are plain wrong. Wade is on an entirely different level as Rose. Wade has won a title with the Heat. Wade IS the Heat. Lebron joining will largely be perceived as him tagging along, and not standing apart from any of the greats in winning a title. Ray Allen and Paul Pierce are nowhere near the stars that Wade and Lebron are. This is entirely different than the Celtics.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

I'd love to see LeBron go to Miami. It would be tough for my Lakers, as I think that would be the team Los Angeles would meet in the Finals, and they would certainly be formidable with that trio, if not favorites. But I really like the idea of the "superteam". It's always exciting. Usually superteams feature 1 or two players past their prime, like the Celtics from 2 years ago, or the Lakers when they added Karl Malone and Gary Payton. This would be the first superteam I can think of in which each star is in his prime or approaching his prime. It would be great for the NBA- IF it happens.

That team would sweep the Lakers in three games.

Wow they would just call off the series before game 4. That's a bold prediction.

Funny radar broken.

 

[shake zula]

I understand what you're saying. Certainly a fine line here. I think he could have built his own legacy in Chicago whether he "surpassed" Jordan or not (I don't think he ever will regardless of where he goes or how many titles he wins), but it's going to be different in Miami.

And he had a chance to build his legacy in NJ/NY/CHI/LA... but to tag along with 2 other All-Stars will surely diminish everything he and his "camp" has worked for thus far.

Like if he joins the Bulls he won't end up playing with 2 other All Stars as they win 65+ games.However, to those saying Wade won't hurt James legacy I don't get it. James has the ability to be the greatest player to ever play the game. Yes, if he joins the Heat he will probably win multiple titles and be Hall of Famer. But Kobe has 5 rings to Jordan's 6 and no one is making the claim he is near MJ's legacy. Pippen has 6 rings and most argue he doesn't belong in the top 50. The problem for LeBron is the chances he is seen as the GOAT could be diminished if he is winning titles with Wade being seen as an equal or even worse the better player when it matters most.

No player has been more worried from the age of 18 on to be the GOAT more than Kobe Bryant. There is no way Kobe at the same age would have joined the Heat. He would pick his best situation to win while he was the elite player on that team. He wants to be the elite player winning the title because nothing in this sport adds more to your legacy.

So it isn't a case of how many All Stars a team has, the Bulls or Heat both have a great chance at 3 All Stars for the foreseeable future if James joins their team. The difference is that Wade can challenge James as the best player on his own team. Unless Rose improves by leaps and bounds this year, I don't see the Bulls ever having a player near the level of James.

Right or wrong. This is how we view things.

I'm sorry, those arguing that playing with Wade won't change his legacy are plain wrong. Wade is on an entirely different level as Rose. Wade has won a title with the Heat. Wade IS the Heat. Lebron joining will largely be perceived as him tagging along, and not standing apart from any of the greats in winning a title. Ray Allen and Paul Pierce are nowhere near the stars that Wade and Lebron are. This is entirely different than the Celtics.

 

[timschochet]

I'm sorry, those arguing that playing with Wade won't change his legacy are plain wrong. Wade is on an entirely different level as Rose. Wade has won a title with the Heat. Wade IS the Heat. Lebron joining will largely be perceived as him tagging along, and not standing apart from any of the greats in winning a title. Ray Allen and Paul Pierce are nowhere near the stars that Wade and Lebron are. This is entirely different than the Celtics.

Ridiculous. At the end of his career, if LeBron James has 5 or 6 rings, he will be discussed as one of the greatest players of all time, period. There will be those who call him the GOAT, and those who vehemently deny it and defend Michael Jordan or Wilt Chamberlain or somebody else. This will be the same whether LeBron wins these rings with Dwayne Wade and Bosh or with Cleveland. The presence of Wade will certainly be mentioned by his detractors, but without Wade they would find something else. The most important thing for James' legacy is to win championships. Nothing else matters. Of the choices open to him, Miam is now the best opportunity for him to win championships.

 

[simmonjm]

You guys are reading too much into my post. I personally do not have a source. I'm saying they're legit sources saying Lebron is going to the Knicks.

How can you say this is you don't know what they are. Clearly I have been caught

He was referring to Jared Dudly, DeJuan Blair, and Ochocinco all claiming via twitter James to NY was done. Before you dismiss these guys consider Jared Dudley and Amare are best friends and CP3 who is Lebrons closest friend in the NBA is good friends with Blair hence the connection from people in the know. I still am reluctant to believe that Lebron, Wade, or Bosh would take less than max as Miami does not have 3 max slots unless they move Beasly which seems doubtful at this point.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

I understand what you're saying. Certainly a fine line here. I think he could have built his own legacy in Chicago whether he "surpassed" Jordan or not (I don't think he ever will regardless of where he goes or how many titles he wins), but it's going to be different in Miami.

And he had a chance to build his legacy in NJ/NY/CHI/LA... but to tag along with 2 other All-Stars will surely diminish everything he and his "camp" has worked for thus far.

Like if he joins the Bulls he won't end up playing with 2 other All Stars as they win 65+ games.However, to those saying Wade won't hurt James legacy I don't get it. James has the ability to be the greatest player to ever play the game. Yes, if he joins the Heat he will probably win multiple titles and be Hall of Famer. But Kobe has 5 rings to Jordan's 6 and no one is making the claim he is near MJ's legacy. Pippen has 6 rings and most argue he doesn't belong in the top 50. The problem for LeBron is the chances he is seen as the GOAT could be diminished if he is winning titles with Wade being seen as an equal or even worse the better player when it matters most.

No player has been more worried from the age of 18 on to be the GOAT more than Kobe Bryant. There is no way Kobe at the same age would have joined the Heat. He would pick his best situation to win while he was the elite player on that team. He wants to be the elite player winning the title because nothing in this sport adds more to your legacy.

So it isn't a case of how many All Stars a team has, the Bulls or Heat both have a great chance at 3 All Stars for the foreseeable future if James joins their team. The difference is that Wade can challenge James as the best player on his own team. Unless Rose improves by leaps and bounds this year, I don't see the Bulls ever having a player near the level of James.

Right or wrong. This is how we view things.

Not really.

 

[FatMax]

I think Lebron is behind all the misinformation being circulated around the last couple of days. What he really plans on doing is going to his press conference and shocking the world by signing with the Sacramento Kings.

 

[boubucarow]

I'm sorry, those arguing that playing with Wade won't change his legacy are plain wrong. Wade is on an entirely different level as Rose. Wade has won a title with the Heat. Wade IS the Heat. Lebron joining will largely be perceived as him tagging along, and not standing apart from any of the greats in winning a title. Ray Allen and Paul Pierce are nowhere near the stars that Wade and Lebron are. This is entirely different than the Celtics.

Ridiculous. At the end of his career, if LeBron James has 5 or 6 rings, he will be discussed as one of the greatest players of all time, period. There will be those who call him the GOAT, and those who vehemently deny it and defend Michael Jordan or Wilt Chamberlain or somebody else. This will be the same whether LeBron wins these rings with Dwayne Wade and Bosh or with Cleveland. The presence of Wade will certainly be mentioned by his detractors, but without Wade they would find something else. The most important thing for James' legacy is to win championships. Nothing else matters. Of the choices open to him, Miam is now the best opportunity for him to win championships.

Yes, the most important thing for James' legacy is to win championships but to say nothing else matters is shortsighted.And it is debatable with is the better situation to win titles.Miami has Wade, Bosh, Chalmers, Beasley, 3 2nd round rookiesChicago has Rose, Deng, Noah, Boozer, Gibson, JohnsonNo doubt that Wade-Bosh>Rose-Boozer, but Noah makes that equation much less clear. Of course, we don't know how the rest of the rosters will fill out and if Deng would be staying with the team. But either team becomes elite with the chance of all time elite with the right health and right fill in players on the roster.

 

[boubucarow]

I understand what you're saying. Certainly a fine line here. I think he could have built his own legacy in Chicago whether he "surpassed" Jordan or not (I don't think he ever will regardless of where he goes or how many titles he wins), but it's going to be different in Miami.

And he had a chance to build his legacy in NJ/NY/CHI/LA... but to tag along with 2 other All-Stars will surely diminish everything he and his "camp" has worked for thus far.

Like if he joins the Bulls he won't end up playing with 2 other All Stars as they win 65+ games.However, to those saying Wade won't hurt James legacy I don't get it. James has the ability to be the greatest player to ever play the game. Yes, if he joins the Heat he will probably win multiple titles and be Hall of Famer. But Kobe has 5 rings to Jordan's 6 and no one is making the claim he is near MJ's legacy. Pippen has 6 rings and most argue he doesn't belong in the top 50. The problem for LeBron is the chances he is seen as the GOAT could be diminished if he is winning titles with Wade being seen as an equal or even worse the better player when it matters most.

No player has been more worried from the age of 18 on to be the GOAT more than Kobe Bryant. There is no way Kobe at the same age would have joined the Heat. He would pick his best situation to win while he was the elite player on that team. He wants to be the elite player winning the title because nothing in this sport adds more to your legacy.

So it isn't a case of how many All Stars a team has, the Bulls or Heat both have a great chance at 3 All Stars for the foreseeable future if James joins their team. The difference is that Wade can challenge James as the best player on his own team. Unless Rose improves by leaps and bounds this year, I don't see the Bulls ever having a player near the level of James.

Right or wrong. This is how we view things.

Not really.

So, how do you view Kobe's 3 titles with Shaq?

 

[Wooderson]

I think Lebron is behind all the misinformation being circulated around the last couple of days. What he really plans on doing is going to his press conference and shocking the world by signing with the Sacramento Kings.

I just went online and got season tickets. I couldn't believe how many were still available!!

 

[Abraham]

I love that there are people out there that don't realize this is all misinformation being spread by Team Lebron to get people interested (even more than they are) and watching tonight. Absolutely nobody but Lebron knows what he is doing, lemmings. You're all being worked.

Came her e typo post this. I have no idea where he is going, but yesterday ask the leak s were about new york. Today its miami. If I had too guess I'd say he is staying put.

 

[Native]

I understand what you're saying. Certainly a fine line here. I think he could have built his own legacy in Chicago whether he "surpassed" Jordan or not (I don't think he ever will regardless of where he goes or how many titles he wins), but it's going to be different in Miami.

And he had a chance to build his legacy in NJ/NY/CHI/LA... but to tag along with 2 other All-Stars will surely diminish everything he and his "camp" has worked for thus far.

Like if he joins the Bulls he won't end up playing with 2 other All Stars as they win 65+ games.However, to those saying Wade won't hurt James legacy I don't get it. James has the ability to be the greatest player to ever play the game. Yes, if he joins the Heat he will probably win multiple titles and be Hall of Famer. But Kobe has 5 rings to Jordan's 6 and no one is making the claim he is near MJ's legacy. Pippen has 6 rings and most argue he doesn't belong in the top 50. The problem for LeBron is the chances he is seen as the GOAT could be diminished if he is winning titles with Wade being seen as an equal or even worse the better player when it matters most.

No player has been more worried from the age of 18 on to be the GOAT more than Kobe Bryant. There is no way Kobe at the same age would have joined the Heat. He would pick his best situation to win while he was the elite player on that team. He wants to be the elite player winning the title because nothing in this sport adds more to your legacy.

So it isn't a case of how many All Stars a team has, the Bulls or Heat both have a great chance at 3 All Stars for the foreseeable future if James joins their team. The difference is that Wade can challenge James as the best player on his own team. Unless Rose improves by leaps and bounds this year, I don't see the Bulls ever having a player near the level of James.

Right or wrong. This is how we view things.

Not really.

So, how do you view Kobe's 3 titles with Shaq?

Or Magic's 5 titles with Kareem?

 

[Kev4029]

Raptors sign Linus Kleiza to a 4 year $20M offer sheet. Nuggets with 7 days to match.

Fair value for him. I doubt the nuggets match, unless they plan on using him a whole lot at the 4. I wonder if the raptors are trying to white wash the entire team.If the nuggets match they have to wait until something like january to trade him don't they? If that's the case I hope they don't match and use that money to go after j oneal.

 

[boubucarow]

Or Magic's 5 titles with Kareem?

Other than the first title, Magic was the best player on that team. And the first title was won with his all time performance against the 76ers. His situation is nothing like winning 3 titles with the most dominant force in the league as a teammate.

 

[Masked Vigilante]

Raptors sign Linus Kleiza to a 4 year $20M offer sheet. Nuggets with 7 days to match.

Fair value for him. I doubt the nuggets match, unless they plan on using him a whole lot at the 4. I wonder if the raptors are trying to white wash the entire team.If the nuggets match they have to wait until something like january to trade him don't they? If that's the case I hope they don't match and use that money to go after j oneal.

Does he play defense? I wouldn't want him to disrupt the Raptors chemistry by trying to play defense.