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I'm not buying the rumors: LeBron will ultimately decide to stay home

Ian Thomsen

SI.com

I read the anonymous reports that LeBron James will sign with the Miami Heat and I don't believe them.

Until he says otherwise himself Thursday night, I will continue to believe this entire process will steer him back home to the Cleveland Cavaliers.

I've been hearing all year long is that James alone will make this decision. He will listen to advice, he will take account of the different offers and opinions, and in the end he will make his own choice. This is what I've been told for a long time and it was spelled out most eloquently in a recent column by the Cleveland Plain Dealer's Brian Windhorst, who is plugged into James' camp.

So when I read of unnamed sources saying that James is going to Miami, I wonder: Do they absolutely 100 percent know what he is going to say Thursday night?

I also cannot understand why James' camp would arrange for this drum-roll proclamation on national television and then leak out word of the final result before the boss -- James himself -- can make his announcement. That makes no sense whatsoever. Do all of these reality TV shows -- Survivor or Big Brother -- want you to know who is going to be the winner before you watch the season-ending broadcast?

The rule of reality TV is to advertise a surprising "twist" without letting viewers know what it may be. If people who really do know what James is thinking have been spreading word that he'll sign with Miami, then I view that as another way of creating suspense and surprise for the actual announcement to have maximum impact.

If we all believe he's going to Miami, and he goes on TV to say he's going to Miami, then what was the point of the live TV show? If his own camp is leaking out the final result then there is ultimately going to be little drama to "The Decision," as the ESPN show has been titled.

Here is the third reason to wonder if we're all being played. Going back to November, on the morning of James' only game this season at Madison Square Garden, I believe I was the first to firmly predict that this entire process was set up for him to return to Cleveland. This is what I wrote Nov. 6:

I bet James already has the entire recruiting process planned out. He'll listen to the Knicks, the Nets and anyone else who wishes to speak with him. Then he'll hold a news conference on live TV and announce that he is staying with Cleveland. It will be the professional version of national signing day, when the top high school recruit announces the college of his choice.

But it will be much bigger than that. An entire city will rejoice, and its people will speak of how proud they are of their LeBron James. Casual fans who would have booed him for going to New York will now be cheering for him because he stayed in Cleveland. By showing loyalty to his hometown, he'll have a chance to become a bigger force than he could have been on the world's greatest stage. He'll be the NBA's Family Guy.

So now, as forecast here eight months ago, he is making the announcement on live TV. So far it has played out the way I thought it would. Is he really going to use this setting to say he's moving to Miami or Chicago? (And don't believe the last-minute Knicks talk -- New York has no chance.) If James uses the vehicle of a celebratory one-hour TV special to declare that he's abandoning the people of Akron and the fans of the Cavaliers, then he'll never be able to go back home again.

The Akron/Cleveland area is the only place he has ever lived. It is everything he knows. I truly believe -- as do people who know him, the same people who are saying Thursday they still don't know his decision -- that if he was going to move to Miami or Chicago, then he would have arranged the least painful exit so as not to destroy his reputation at home.

Instead, if he goes on live TV tonight to say he's walking out on the only place he's known, then he has done so in the most painful way imaginable. He has tortured millions of people who for months have had faith that he would stay -- and he has ruthlessly cut them off.

Let's give James credit for intelligence, based on the extraordinary success of how he has positioned himself in the global marketplace as a 25-year-old. He is a smart guy, and everything he has said so far suggests that he will return to Cleveland. He constantly announces to crowds in Akron how much he loves them and his home city, and he has repeatedly said that Cleveland is in the driver's seat in the race to retain him.

When he goes on TV on Thursday he'll be able to say truthfully that he himself has never indicated he was going to leave Cleveland.

A lot of negatives will follow him to Miami. His people at home will feel betrayed. He will have to change his style of play -- sacrifice is the common term -- in order to fit in with Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh, even though James, by his own admission, has yet to peak as a player. Shouldn't he want to explore his own potential before he begins deferring to others? And how is that Miami team going to win a championship immediately with as many as seven roster spots to be filled by yet-to-be-identified veterans on minimum contracts?

None of this Miami talk makes any sense to me. This extravagant charade is set up for James to go on TV Thursday to declare his loyalty to his hometown, to say he took a look around at more glamorous places and in the end decided there is no place better for him than Cleveland. And then he'll go into next season with a promising new coach in Byron Scott and a deep roster that has won 127 games over the last two seasons, and every time he puts on the Cavs uniform he'll be selling himself as a player who was ultimately loyal to his hometown and his franchise -- which is how every athlete who endorses products hopes to be viewed.

Maybe I'll turn out to be wrong. But if I am, then it's James who has made the biggest mistakes by deciding to abandon his hometown in the ruthless setting of a national broadcast and then ruining the drama of his live TV announcement by leaking out news that he's going to Miami.

He's staying in Cleveland, I say.
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That's funny. The 3rd reason that this is all a hoax and Lebron's going back to CLE is because this writer predicted so in Nov.?
 
Also Lee is getting 6 yrs/13 million per year which will run until he's 32.

I think that's a fair price for Lee.

Your Golden State Warriors for the next 3 years-

PG Curry

SG Ellis

SF Williams

PF Lee

C Biedrins

BENCH

Morrow - I think trade away Buike means the Warriors match almost anything for Morrow.

Watson - Again trading away Buike means the Warriors need some back court players.

Udoh

Wright

Bell

Gadzuric

They will have Gadzuric (7.2) and Radmonovic (6.8) and Wright (4.5 qualifying offer) as expiring deals as bargaining chips at the deadline with a new regime. 18.5 million is good enough to add a quality player or two come trading deadline.

 
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So the Knicks could end up with ANthony Randolph and Amare as their haul? Oh my.
they would be a better team than they were a month ago. that rautins kid from the 'cuse must be licking his chops at hitting the floor with these guys!
I always thought he was annoyingly savvy and had amazing court-awareness, but I don't think he has the physical tools to be a rotation guy.
coach's kid. it's they're built like that...
 
Apparently a South Beach hotel just confirmed to some outlet that James has rented 6 beachfront cabanas for the weekend. <_< He's staying in Cleveland...all of this is for show.

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
Lebron has always been more Magic than Jordan (and that isnt a bad thing). Wade's style always reminded me of young MJ . . . I think this combo is going to be sick. Bosh will do his thing down low and provide rebounding and post scoring. They need a 3 point shooter and another body in the lane on defense. They got some decent guys in the second round, who normally we wouldnt be talking about, but playing specific roles around James, Wade, and Bosh, could really work out.
Do you have a favorite NBA team? I know you said Wade is your player, but dont remember you talking about a team.
 
Ministry of Pain said:
Season Tickets in Miami are all but sold out. You could get a lower bowl ticket last week for $2,750 for the season...team jacked those overnight to about $5,500.
The ball in Charlotte may not be as good, but I'll take my $199 season ticket.
For real? Please elaborate. As a partial Laker season ticket holder who just got our rates raised again for next season I found out yesterday (hooray for championship!) I want to pour some salt in the financial wounds.
Bought a pair at this price on a promotion 4 years ago and they haven't touch the price. They are upper deck seats, but they usually give me $200-$300 in credit per seat to upgrade to certain games. We also have a free ticket exchange program so I can move the weeknight seats to weekends (non tier one games) and get as many seats as I like. If I chose to sell Kobe and Lebron seats plus a couple of other games, I basically cover the cost of the seats.Seat price roughly $4.75. Parking $5. Beer $7, $3 on some weeknights.

 
Also Lee is getting 6 yrs/13 million which will run until he's 32. I think that's a fair price for Lee.Your Golden State Warriors for the next 3 years-PG CurrySG EllisSF WilliamsPF LeeC BiedrinsBENCHMorrow - I think trade away Buike means the Warriors match almost anything for Morrow.Watson - Again trading away Buike means the Warriors need some back court players.UdohWrightBellGadzuricThey will have Gadzuric (7.2) and Radmonovic (6.8) and Wright (4.5 qualifying offer) as expiring deals as bargaining chips at the deadline with a new regime. 18.5 million is good enough to add a quality player or two come trading deadline.
Wait, David Lee will only be making $2 mill/year?Holy ####. I didn't think Amare was that much of an upgrade anyway, but at 10X the price tag, the Knicks actually found a way to get worse during this magical Summer of '10.
 
Wait, David Lee will only be making $2 mill/year?

Holy ####. I didn't think Amare was that much of an upgrade anyway, but at 10X the price tag, the Knicks actually found a way to get worse during this magical Summer of '10.
Shtick?$13M per, guy. Darko is making 5 mil a year for god's sake. Lee is tall and good.

 
Wait, David Lee will only be making $2 mill/year?

Holy ####. I didn't think Amare was that much of an upgrade anyway, but at 10X the price tag, the Knicks actually found a way to get worse during this magical Summer of '10.
:thumbup: this is the nba guy; think about that for just one minute longer...

 
Wait, David Lee will only be making $2 mill/year?

Holy ####. I didn't think Amare was that much of an upgrade anyway, but at 10X the price tag, the Knicks actually found a way to get worse during this magical Summer of '10.
Shtick?$13M per, guy. Darko is making 5 mil a year for god's sake. Lee is tall and good.
No need to call me guy, pal. Thought he meant total. Even at $13 per, I think the Knicks might've gotten worse. David Lee plus $6-7 mill./yr > Amare. Hell, the Heat are about to show us how to build an entire roster for $7 mill.

 
LeBron was also the team leader in steals and blocks. He was second in assists behind CP3, and third in rebounds behind Bosh and Howard. And Lebron did all of that playing out of position half the time. He was the best USA player in Beijing.
Nope. It was definitely Wade.
So we are using an all-start tourney (where Kobe, actually, was the alpha dog when the team needed one) to determine that Wade >> Lebron despite the other 7 years of NBA performance both have?
I think the most important fact to gain from this discussion is that Lebron and Wade are both better than Kobe.
Yet Kobe took over when the game was on the line, and hit shot that won them the gold.
 
Ministry of Pain said:
Season Tickets in Miami are all but sold out. You could get a lower bowl ticket last week for $2,750 for the season...team jacked those overnight to about $5,500.
The ball in Charlotte may not be as good, but I'll take my $199 season ticket.
For real? Please elaborate. As a partial Laker season ticket holder who just got our rates raised again for next season I found out yesterday (hooray for championship!) I want to pour some salt in the financial wounds.
Bought a pair at this price on a promotion 4 years ago and they haven't touch the price. They are upper deck seats, but they usually give me $200-$300 in credit per seat to upgrade to certain games. We also have a free ticket exchange program so I can move the weeknight seats to weekends (non tier one games) and get as many seats as I like. If I chose to sell Kobe and Lebron seats plus a couple of other games, I basically cover the cost of the seats.Seat price roughly $4.75. Parking $5. Beer $7, $3 on some weeknights.
We're upper deck too. Our price per seat just went up to $30 a game. Parking is $10 at an independent parking lot several blocks away. Beer is about the same though. The Bobcats' payroll is about 1/2 of the Lakers' after the luxury tax, right? How the #### are the Bobcats still in business?
 
Also Lee is getting 6 yrs/13 million which will run until he's 32. I think that's a fair price for Lee.Your Golden State Warriors for the next 3 years-PG CurrySG EllisSF WilliamsPF LeeC BiedrinsBENCHMorrow - I think trade away Buike means the Warriors match almost anything for Morrow.Watson - Again trading away Buike means the Warriors need some back court players.UdohWrightBellGadzuricThey will have Gadzuric (7.2) and Radmonovic (6.8) and Wright (4.5 qualifying offer) as expiring deals as bargaining chips at the deadline with a new regime. 18.5 million is good enough to add a quality player or two come trading deadline.
Wait, David Lee will only be making $2 mill/year?Holy ####. I didn't think Amare was that much of an upgrade anyway, but at 10X the price tag, the Knicks actually found a way to get worse during this magical Summer of '10.
Yah sorry it's 13 million per year.While I'm not thrilled I can live with it since we still have a good amount of expiring deals since Gadzruic was not included in the deal.Also 13 million for David Lee is a great deal considering Gay is getting 16 million per and Amare is getting 20 million per year. Amare is a better scorer, but Lee is a better rebounder and actually passes the ball. Knicks fans will be in for a surprise when the team doesn't win more games next season if their additions are limited to Amare and Randolph.
 
Wait, David Lee will only be making $2 mill/year?

Holy ####. I didn't think Amare was that much of an upgrade anyway, but at 10X the price tag, the Knicks actually found a way to get worse during this magical Summer of '10.
Shtick?$13M per, guy. Darko is making 5 mil a year for god's sake. Lee is tall and good.
No need to call me guy, pal. Thought he meant total. Even at $13 per, I think the Knicks might've gotten worse. David Lee plus $6-7 mill./yr > Amare. Hell, the Heat are about to show us how to build an entire roster for $7 mill.
Yeah, but they also got Randolph which isn't possible if they just resign Lee. Either way Amare was all about James for better or worse. They needed to make a splash to have any chance with James.
 
LeBron was also the team leader in steals and blocks. He was second in assists behind CP3, and third in rebounds behind Bosh and Howard. And Lebron did all of that playing out of position half the time. He was the best USA player in Beijing.
Nope. It was definitely Wade.
So we are using an all-start tourney (where Kobe, actually, was the alpha dog when the team needed one) to determine that Wade >> Lebron despite the other 7 years of NBA performance both have?
I think the most important fact to gain from this discussion is that Lebron and Wade are both better than Kobe.
Yet Kobe took over when the game was on the line, and hit shot that won them the gold.
Final score of 2008 Olympics Gold Medal game:

USA 118

Spain 107

Kobe Bryant's secret weapon- the 11 point shot.

 
Also Lee is getting 6 yrs/13 million which will run until he's 32. I think that's a fair price for Lee.Your Golden State Warriors for the next 3 years-PG CurrySG EllisSF WilliamsPF LeeC BiedrinsBENCHMorrow - I think trade away Buike means the Warriors match almost anything for Morrow.Watson - Again trading away Buike means the Warriors need some back court players.UdohWrightBellGadzuricThey will have Gadzuric (7.2) and Radmonovic (6.8) and Wright (4.5 qualifying offer) as expiring deals as bargaining chips at the deadline with a new regime. 18.5 million is good enough to add a quality player or two come trading deadline.
Wait, David Lee will only be making $2 mill/year?Holy ####. I didn't think Amare was that much of an upgrade anyway, but at 10X the price tag, the Knicks actually found a way to get worse during this magical Summer of '10.
Yah sorry it's 13 million per year.While I'm not thrilled I can live with it since we still have a good amount of expiring deals since Gadzruic was not included in the deal.Also 13 million for David Lee is a great deal considering Gay is getting 16 million per and Amare is getting 20 million per year. Amare is a better scorer, but Lee is a better rebounder and actually passes the ball. Knicks fans will be in for a surprise when the team doesn't win more games next season if their additions are limited to Amare and Randolph.
They will sign a point guard (probably Ridnour) and play some exciting ball next year with Amare and Randolph running the floor. Interesting to see if they will be able to play them on the court at the same time. Is the team any better? Who knows but they have Curry's expiring contract next year so they could make a run at another max player (only one is really Melo which is doubtful).
 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
Lebron has always been more Magic than Jordan (and that isnt a bad thing). Wade's style always reminded me of young MJ . . . I think this combo is going to be sick. Bosh will do his thing down low and provide rebounding and post scoring. They need a 3 point shooter and another body in the lane on defense. They got some decent guys in the second round, who normally we wouldnt be talking about, but playing specific roles around James, Wade, and Bosh, could really work out.
Do you have a favorite NBA team? I know you said Wade is your player, but dont remember you talking about a team.
I root for wade and the heat and against the lakers no matter whom they play (so long as Kobe is on the team). Generally I'm that rare guy who actually enjoys the NBA and all that goes with it. I'm from Pittsburgh so I don't have a real team. Cleveland is close and I defend lebron in the debates and think he's great but always had trouble cheering for Cleveland because it's Cleveland. Same with the sixers. Love AI but couldn't get behind the the fully. Was a big bulls fan because we got local Chicago tv and bulls games as well but when they broke up the team I didn't cheer for them anymore. I wanted pollen and te blazers to win after that.
 
Also Lee is getting 6 yrs/13 million which will run until he's 32.

I think that's a fair price for Lee.

Your Golden State Warriors for the next 3 years-

PG Curry

SG Ellis

SF Williams

PF Lee

C Biedrins

BENCH

Morrow - I think trade away Buike means the Warriors match almost anything for Morrow.

Watson - Again trading away Buike means the Warriors need some back court players.

Udoh

Wright

Bell

Gadzuric

They will have Gadzuric (7.2) and Radmonovic (6.8) and Wright (4.5 qualifying offer) as expiring deals as bargaining chips at the deadline with a new regime. 18.5 million is good enough to add a quality player or two come trading deadline.
Wait, David Lee will only be making $2 mill/year?Holy ####. I didn't think Amare was that much of an upgrade anyway, but at 10X the price tag, the Knicks actually found a way to get worse during this magical Summer of '10.
Yah sorry it's 13 million per year.While I'm not thrilled I can live with it since we still have a good amount of expiring deals since Gadzruic was not included in the deal.

Also 13 million for David Lee is a great deal considering Gay is getting 16 million per and Amare is getting 20 million per year. Amare is a better scorer, but Lee is a better rebounder and actually passes the ball.

Knicks fans will be in for a surprise when the team doesn't win more games next season if their additions are limited to Amare and Randolph.
They will sign a point guard (probably Ridnour) and play some exciting ball next year with Amare and Randolph running the floor. Interesting to see if they will be able to play them on the court at the same time. Is the team any better? Who knows but they have Curry's expiring contract next year so they could make a run at another max player (only one is really Melo which is doubtful).
This will be the most exciting front court in the league and it could have been the Warriors' last season if they were willing to part with Curry (thank god they didn't). However, exciting doesn't win championships and right now Randolph is nothing more than a guy who offers reb/blks/stls. His offense is ATROCIOUS... only positive thing he does on offense is get to the FT line and make his FTs.
 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
Lebron has always been more Magic than Jordan (and that isnt a bad thing). Wade's style always reminded me of young MJ . . . I think this combo is going to be sick. Bosh will do his thing down low and provide rebounding and post scoring. They need a 3 point shooter and another body in the lane on defense. They got some decent guys in the second round, who normally we wouldnt be talking about, but playing specific roles around James, Wade, and Bosh, could really work out.
Do you have a favorite NBA team? I know you said Wade is your player, but dont remember you talking about a team.
I root for wade and the heat and against the lakers no matter whom they play (so long as Kobe is on the team). Generally I'm that rare guy who actually enjoys the NBA and all that goes with it. I'm from Pittsburgh so I don't have a real team. Cleveland is close and I defend lebron in the debates and think he's great but always had trouble cheering for Cleveland because it's Cleveland. Same with the sixers. Love AI but couldn't get behind the the fully. Was a big bulls fan because we got local Chicago tv and bulls games as well but when they broke up the team I didn't cheer for them anymore. I wanted pollen and te blazers to win after that.
You capitalized Kobe, but didn't not capitalize Wade or Lebron.<cue the music>
 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
Lebron has always been more Magic than Jordan (and that isnt a bad thing). Wade's style always reminded me of young MJ . . . I think this combo is going to be sick. Bosh will do his thing down low and provide rebounding and post scoring. They need a 3 point shooter and another body in the lane on defense. They got some decent guys in the second round, who normally we wouldnt be talking about, but playing specific roles around James, Wade, and Bosh, could really work out.
Do you have a favorite NBA team? I know you said Wade is your player, but dont remember you talking about a team.
I root for wade and the heat and against the lakers no matter whom they play (so long as Kobe is on the team). Generally I'm that rare guy who actually enjoys the NBA and all that goes with it. I'm from Pittsburgh so I don't have a real team. Cleveland is close and I defend lebron in the debates and think he's great but always had trouble cheering for Cleveland because it's Cleveland. Same with the sixers. Love AI but couldn't get behind the the fully. Was a big bulls fan because we got local Chicago tv and bulls games as well but when they broke up the team I didn't cheer for them anymore. I wanted pollen and te blazers to win after that.
You capitalized Kobe, but didn't not capitalize Wade or Lebron.<cue the music>
I think my iPhone did that itself.
 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
Lebron has always been more Magic than Jordan (and that isnt a bad thing). Wade's style always reminded me of young MJ . . . I think this combo is going to be sick. Bosh will do his thing down low and provide rebounding and post scoring. They need a 3 point shooter and another body in the lane on defense. They got some decent guys in the second round, who normally we wouldnt be talking about, but playing specific roles around James, Wade, and Bosh, could really work out.
Do you have a favorite NBA team? I know you said Wade is your player, but dont remember you talking about a team.
I root for wade and the heat and against the lakers no matter whom they play (so long as Kobe is on the team). Generally I'm that rare guy who actually enjoys the NBA and all that goes with it. I'm from Pittsburgh so I don't have a real team. Cleveland is close and I defend lebron in the debates and think he's great but always had trouble cheering for Cleveland because it's Cleveland. Same with the sixers. Love AI but couldn't get behind the the fully. Was a big bulls fan because we got local Chicago tv and bulls games as well but when they broke up the team I didn't cheer for them anymore. I wanted pollen and te blazers to win after that.
You capitalized Kobe, but didn't not capitalize Wade or Lebron.<cue the music>
I think my iPhone did that itself.
Did you hear about the new LeBron iPhone 4?
 
LeBron was also the team leader in steals and blocks. He was second in assists behind CP3, and third in rebounds behind Bosh and Howard. And Lebron did all of that playing out of position half the time. He was the best USA player in Beijing.
Nope. It was definitely Wade.
So we are using an all-start tourney (where Kobe, actually, was the alpha dog when the team needed one) to determine that Wade >> Lebron despite the other 7 years of NBA performance both have?
I think the most important fact to gain from this discussion is that Lebron and Wade are both better than Kobe.
Yet Kobe took over when the game was on the line, and hit shot that won them the gold.
So the guy who hits the GW shot is the best player? Kobe is the best closer (clutch) in the game RIGHT NOW but he isn't going to be better than LeBron when it's all said and done in 5+ years. If you dont see that, you must not be watching.
 
My favorite part is when Lebron takes over late in the 4th. His supremely high fg% forces the Spanish defense to overcompensate allowing Kobe assisted by Wade to seal the game with consecutive jump shots while Lebron is expertly twiddling his thumbs on the other side of the floor.
 
LeBron wait?

o Chris Tomasson

o Senior NBA Writer

In 1780, I might not really have believed Benedict Arnold was signing with the British for the mid-level exception.

In 1912, I might not have confirmed the Titanic really was sinking until John Jacob Astor's wife left her diamonds behind.

It's 2010, and I'm still not convinced LeBron James is bolting to the Miami Heat.

I thought I was the only person in that category Thursday afternoon. Then I told Orlando general manager Otis Smith that I still thought James would return to Cleveland, and he said, "I think you're right.''

Now, I'm on a roll. I then dialed up somebody who is a definite insider when it comes to James and is not affiliated with Cleveland. This man, who is well known in NBA circles but said his name can't be used, believes James will announce Thursday night on ESPN that he's re-signing with the Cavaliers.

This isn't a "FanHouse-has-learned'' story, but this person does know more than most. And he offered some pretty good reasons why James will not abandon the team in his native Ohio.

"I think those reports are wrong,'' said the individual about reports James, a native of Akron, Ohio, is bolting to the Heat. "LeBron is not going to schedule a one-hour television show just to say that he's sticking it to his hometown. There's no way.''

Furthermore, the individual doesn't see James leaving Cleveland and turning down the extra money he could get by signing with the Cavaliers. Cleveland can give him a six-year, rather than a five-year contract, and 10.5 percent, rather than 8 percent raises.

"He's not going to leave $30 million on the table,'' he said. "I know LeBron.''

Then again, lots of people who know James are saying plenty of things these days. So who knows what he's going to do?

This just in: Somebody who is close to somebody who knows the King's cleaning lady believes he will join the Birmingham Barons to prove that, even if he might be six rings shy in basketball, he's definitely a better baseball player than Michael Jordan.

And FanHouse has just confirmed the Titanic did indeed sink.

Chris Tomasson can be reached at tomasson@fanhouse.com or on Twitter@christomasson
And if Otis Smith says it, well that's more than good enough for Capella.
 
When does Chris Paul's contract end? If he is willing to sign up with Lebron's amateur marketing group I could easily see him signing up to play with him in Cleveland.

 

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