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Also how the hell is Wes Matthews making that much coin? He was a solid player for the Jazz, but I don't think he's worth 9 million! That's big time money for a perimeter role player, if he were a big man I could understand it a bit but he's getting a huge chunk of change. He would have to become a borderline All*Star/Top 3 player on the Blazers to justify that contract.
The top 5 veterans on the Blazers make 13, 11, 8, 7 and 7 million a year. Matthews will be getting the mid level exception of $5.8 million (plus a signing bonus). Very few "borderline All Star"s are signing for $5.8 million.Having said that.......this is a horrible move by Portland. Matthews is this year's Von Wafer. Even if Rudy Fernandez is traded, Matthews will have to compete with Jerryd Bayless and 1st round pick Elliot Williams for playing time. There's just no need for the guy.
Ah looked into it further.... it's front loaded for 9 million this year or something like that (average value is 6.8). That's still a lot of money, but it's a bit more reasonable than the 9 million I had read about.
The $9.2MM figure for the first year of the contract includes a signing bonus that will be paid by the end of the month. IIRC, the signing bonus can be spread out over the life of the contract for cap purposes, though I'm not sure if that's what's happening to Matthews. A signing bonus like that is usually a maneuver to prevent teams with poor cash flow from matching offer sheets. POR has deep pockets. UTA doesn't. POR tried the same thing with Paul Millsap's offer sheet last summer, but UTA matched anyway.
Thanks for the info. I understood it was a front loaded and why POR structured it that way, but I didn't know that teams accomplished that through a signing bonus. I didn't even know signing bonuses existed in basketball with all the guaranteed contracts.
 
duece2626 said:
Cavs are in talks about trading for Jefferson. They are also to be rumored in wanting Flynn also.
That's the rumor we're hearing in Minnesota too! The only problem is, what do the Cavaliers have to offer anymore...other than lottery picks?!
 
A signing bonus like that is usually a maneuver to prevent teams with poor cash flow from matching offer sheets. POR has deep pockets. UTA doesn't. POR tried the same thing with Paul Millsap's offer sheet last summer, but UTA matched anyway.
Millsap was a 3-year veteran with proven ability. Matthews is a one-year-wonder.Utah is probably thanking Portland for forcing them to sign Millsap last year (he's going to fill in nicely for Boozer). And they will be thanking Portland again for taking Matthews off their hands.
 
A signing bonus like that is usually a maneuver to prevent teams with poor cash flow from matching offer sheets. POR has deep pockets. UTA doesn't. POR tried the same thing with Paul Millsap's offer sheet last summer, but UTA matched anyway.
Millsap was a 3-year veteran with proven ability. Matthews is a one-year-wonder.Utah is probably thanking Portland for forcing them to sign Millsap last year (he's going to fill in nicely for Boozer). And they will be thanking Portland again for taking Matthews off their hands.
With this contract I believe Matthews who went undrafted when Blake Griffin went #1 overall will now make more than Blake Griffin. Crazy world.
 
A signing bonus like that is usually a maneuver to prevent teams with poor cash flow from matching offer sheets. POR has deep pockets. UTA doesn't. POR tried the same thing with Paul Millsap's offer sheet last summer, but UTA matched anyway.
Millsap was a 3-year veteran with proven ability. Matthews is a one-year-wonder.Utah is probably thanking Portland for forcing them to sign Millsap last year (he's going to fill in nicely for Boozer). And they will be thanking Portland again for taking Matthews off their hands.
With this contract I believe Matthews who went undrafted when Blake Griffin went #1 overall will now make more than Blake Griffin. Crazy world.
He'll make more money in 2010-2011 than any 1st rounder drafted in the past 4 years.
 
I wish Jordan well- he contributed the Lakers championships. But the Lakers will be a better team with Blake. However, they really need to sign Fish.

 
The Bulls' chances were diminished for two central reasons. Wade wasn't willing to go to his own hometown. And the Bulls made it clear James' friends would not be given the privileges they were given in Cleveland or the high-paying jobs.
I for one thought Wade had seriously considered Chicago. Also, WTF is wrong with Chicago? Special privileges like the ones they'd have to give James' boy's are irrelevant in the long run as you are going to give them up eventually anyways with players of James' and Wade's caliber. So why stand so firm on the front end? Dummies
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The Bulls' chances were diminished for two central reasons. Wade wasn't willing to go to his own hometown. And the Bulls made it clear James' friends would not be given the privileges they were given in Cleveland or the high-paying jobs.
I for one thought Wade had seriously considered Chicago. Also, WTF is wrong with Chicago? Special privileges like the ones they'd have to give James' boy's are irrelevant in the long run as you are going to give them up eventually anyways with players of James' and Wade's caliber. So why stand so firm on the front end? Dummies
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The Bulls' chances were diminished for two central reasons. Wade wasn't willing to go to his own hometown. And the Bulls made it clear James' friends would not be given the privileges they were given in Cleveland or the high-paying jobs.
I for one thought Wade had seriously considered Chicago. Also, WTF is wrong with Chicago? Special privileges like the ones they'd have to give James' boy's are irrelevant in the long run as you are going to give them up eventually anyways with players of James' and Wade's caliber. So why stand so firm on the front end? Dummies
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I doubt that the Bulls said any such thing regarding privileges for James' friends. First of all they would give James anything he wants. Second they would just backpedal on any "agreement" after James signs if they wanted to. Complete non-story.
 
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the offer sheet to Koncak was 1 year for $2.5M. atlanta then signed him to 6 years for $13.2 M if i remember correctly.

A signing bonus like that is usually a maneuver to prevent teams with poor cash flow from matching offer sheets. POR has deep pockets. UTA doesn't. POR tried the same thing with Paul Millsap's offer sheet last summer, but UTA matched anyway.
Millsap was a 3-year veteran with proven ability. Matthews is a one-year-wonder.Utah is probably thanking Portland for forcing them to sign Millsap last year (he's going to fill in nicely for Boozer). And they will be thanking Portland again for taking Matthews off their hands.
I wonder if POR was bluffing and is disappointed they got called. That happens with offer sheets sometimes. Back in the early days of free agency, DET signed Jon Koncak, a 20-21 MPG big man for ATL, to a big-money offer sheet. IIRC, it was a six-year deal worth over $2MM per season, which at the time was more than Magic and Bird made. It was a pure bluff. DET didn't want Koncak, and they certainly didn't want Koncak at that salary. They gambled that ATL would match the offer and kill their cap flexibility. It worked. ATL matched and killed their cap flexibility. DET went on to win the title without paying a reserve big man twice as much as they were paying Isiah.
 
John Wall...........WOW

I cant explain the speed at which he plays at. INCREDIBLE, Iverson type speed with the ball. This guy is gonna be great. Great control of the game, elite playmaker, great court vision.

 
The Bulls' chances were diminished for two central reasons. Wade wasn't willing to go to his own hometown. And the Bulls made it clear James' friends would not be given the privileges they were given in Cleveland or the high-paying jobs.
I for one thought Wade had seriously considered Chicago. Also, WTF is wrong with Chicago? Special privileges like the ones they'd have to give James' boy's are irrelevant in the long run as you are going to give them up eventually anyways with players of James' and Wade's caliber. So why stand so firm on the front end? Dummies
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I doubt that the Bulls said any such thing regarding privileges for James' friends. First of all they would give James anything he wants. Second they would just backpedal on any "agreement" after James signs if they wanted to. Complete non-story.
People LOVE believing everything they read.
 
Been gone for a week (not going to read past 40+ pages). Thoughts on the sorry state of the Jazz off-season in salary cap hell? :ptts:

TIA

 
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The $9.2MM figure for the first year of the contract includes a signing bonus that will be paid by the end of the month. IIRC, the signing bonus can be spread out over the life of the contract for cap purposes, though I'm not sure if that's what's happening to Matthews. A signing bonus like that is usually a maneuver to prevent teams with poor cash flow from matching offer sheets. POR has deep pockets. UTA doesn't. POR tried the same thing with Paul Millsap's offer sheet last summer, but UTA matched anyway.
Thanks for the info. I understood it was a front loaded and why POR structured it that way, but I didn't know that teams accomplished that through a signing bonus. I didn't even know signing bonuses existed in basketball with all the guaranteed contracts.
Very few contracts have them for exactly the reason you doubted they existed in basketball: guaranteed contracts make them unnecessary at least 95% of the time. Players don't often ask for them because the max raises in multi-year contracts are set by the base salary in the first year of the contract. A player being signed through the MLE would make less money over the life of the contract if he asked for a big upfront signing bonus; the first year base salary and the prorated portion of the signing bonus both have to fit within the MLE figure, giving the player a smaller base salary to get the 8% raise compounded annually.
Also, signing bonuses are necessary to front load a contract since salary can only be lowered from one year to the next at that same rate at which a salary can be raised from one year to the next (10.5%).
 
Suns near acquisitions of Hedo Turkoglu, Josh Childress

LAS VEGAS - The Suns are on the verge of acquiring forwards Hedo Turkoglu and Josh Childress, swiftly rebounding from the loss of Amar'e Stoudemire with two quality impact players.

The Suns would send guard Leandro Barbosa to Toronto for Turkoglu, a 6-foot-10 Turkish forward with versatile skills to shoot from long range and be a playmaker.

Turkoglu, 31, has played 10 NBA seasons with four teams and wanted out of Toronto after an unhappy first season there. He averaged 11.3 points last season on 40.9 percent shootings, his lowest scoring average and shooting percentage in six years. Two seasons ago, Turkoglu was the NBA Most Improved Player when he averaged 19.5 points, 5.7 rebounds and 5.6 assists with Orlando and followed it up with a 2008-09 season with averages of 16.8 points, 5.3 rebounds and 4.9 assists.

Turkoglu could become the Suns' starting power forward in place of Stoudemire, allowing new acquisition Hakim Warrick to come off the bench with Childress, Channing Frye, Jared Dudley and Goran Dragic.

Phoenix would acquire Childress in a sign-and-trade deal with Atlanta, which still has his rights after he left the Hawks and the NBA to take a three-year, $20 million deal with the Greek team Olympiakos in 2008. Childress, 27, is able to leave Greece early and has agreed to a five-year, $30 million deal with the Suns. He is a 6-foot-8 swingman who averaged 11.1 points over four seasons with Atlanta, shooting 52.2 percent from the field and 36 percent on the 3-pointers.

Phoenix will give up a future second-round pick to acquire Childress.

The Suns would use some of their remaining $12.2 million trade exception to make both deals. They acquired the exception in the Stoudemire sign-and-trade Friday and used the first $4 million of it to do a sign-and-trade for Warrick.

Turkoglu is represented by Lon Babby, who leagues sources have said will be the next leader of the Suns' basketball operations. Until recently, Childress was represented by Babby's agency before he switched to Octagon.

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/artic...l#ixzz0tR1tzdm6

 
The Dallas Mavericks are determined to make it difficult for free agent Udonis Haslem to easily return to the Miami Heat.The Mavs have offered a contract believed to be a minimum of three years and $20 million, league sources told Yahoo! Sports. The Mavericks have offered Haslem their full mid-level exception starting at $5.85 million this season, a league source said.The Heat are trying to re-sign Haslem to play with Dwyane Wade, LeBron James and Chris Bosh, but salary cap restraints could leave them with as little as $4.3 million a year to pay him. And that’s assuming the Heat signs free agent Mike Miller starting at $4.9 million.Haslem, who made $7 million last season, has been a consistent defender and rebounder for the Heat, and president Pat Riley has been determined to keep him. He averaged 10 points and eight rebounds in seven seasons with Miami.New Jersey has shown interest in Haslem but hasn’t made a formal offer. Haslem shares the same agent as Wade and Bosh, and has expressed a strong desire to return to the Heat.
 
They built a solid young squad and have cap room in 2011 for Melo or Paul.
The cap room worked out so well this year.Knicks fans should be hoping their team wins 15 games and strikes the lottery. Better odds than building a winner through free-agency.
Except that Houston has the ability to swap picks with the Knicks so this may not be the best strategy. Also Houston owns next year #1 pick as well.
Yes. I also hope Knicks win 15 games and do not draw the #1 overall pick and hope they get Thomas back as their GM:rocketsfan:
 
Nash, Dragic

Richardson, Childress

Hill, Dudley

Turkoglu, Warrick

Lopez, Frye

So Sarver decides to start spending money now? For this team? Wow!

 
Nash, DragicRichardson, ChildressHill, DudleyTurkoglu, WarrickLopez, FryeSo Sarver decides to start spending money now? For this team? Wow!
this is a *really* bad team, i think.ETA - SA is bringing in Splitter for a physical. Once that is done, the $500k buyout is done and Tiago will sign with the Spurs! :shrug:
 
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John Wall...........WOW

I cant explain the speed at which he plays at. INCREDIBLE, Iverson type speed with the ball. This guy is gonna be great. Great control of the game, elite playmaker, great court vision.
No ####.
Almost as good as the Lakers two second rd picks Link :lmao:
:confused:
There is not much to be confused about. John Wall is ranked #3. The Lakers 2nd round picks are ranked 1 and 2. Being ranked 3rd is almost as good as being ranked 2nd or 1st.
 
John Wall...........WOW

I cant explain the speed at which he plays at. INCREDIBLE, Iverson type speed with the ball. This guy is gonna be great. Great control of the game, elite playmaker, great court vision.
No ####.
Almost as good as the Lakers two second rd picks Link :lmao:
:confused:
There is not much to be confused about. John Wall is ranked #3. The Lakers 2nd round picks are ranked 1 and 2. Being ranked 3rd is almost as good as being ranked 2nd or 1st.
OK.How is that a retort to someone saying that John Wall looks fantastic and is fast as ####?

Not everything is about the Lakers you know.

Oh, and it is just summer league.

 
Bob Loblaw said:
I've been away since Wednesday. What's this about Kobe and adultery? Also, David Lee to GSW is good or bad?
Good for Golden State in the short term. Maybe good for the Knicks in the long term (if Lee was going to leave as a free agent).
 
John Wall...........WOWI cant explain the speed at which he plays at. INCREDIBLE, Iverson type speed with the ball. This guy is gonna be great. Great control of the game, elite playmaker, great court vision.
Never happened to flip on a college game last year? :mellow:
 
JMon348 said:
Nash, DragicRichardson, ChildressHill, DudleyTurkoglu, WarrickLopez, FryeSo Sarver decides to start spending money now? For this team? Wow!
I agree taking on Hedo's contract for a non-title contending team seems pretty awful. But, the team went 16-13 without Amare in 2008-2009, and I think this squad is probably better than the 08-09 team sans Amare. Unless Nash slips pretty badly, I would guess that they'll still be in playoff contention.
 
Shtaym Syek said:
Masked Vigilante said:
Do the Rockets/Knicks have a mini Lakers/Celtics rivalry going or is Goggins just being Goggins?
Just Goggins. I lived in Houston for years, have a ton of ties still there, and there's no real hate or rivalry there.
;) NO rivalry or hate with Rockets / Knicks. Just want the Knicks to stay the Knicks for the next two years.
 
Is Kobe the greatest adulterer ever?
Nice new sub-title, but Kobe's not even the greatest adulterer in Laker history. Magic >>>> Kobe
Not to mention Jordan, who was also an adulterer. Saying "greatest adulterer ever" is akin to saying "greatest basketball player ever."Now, if he changed the subtitle to "greatest basketball player who was arrested for and charged with sexual assault of a 19 year old girl whose blood was found on the player's t-shirt and whose alleged victim's medical examination showed '[girl privates] trauma' and who settled out of court for an undisclosed sum and apologized to the victim and against whom criminal charges were dropped only because the alleged victim was unwilling to testify" then you're probably right. He's totally the best one of those ever.
 
Masked Vigilante said:
Do the Rockets/Knicks have a mini Lakers/Celtics rivalry going or is Goggins just being Goggins?
No hate really. Just want them to have a crummy year so the pick (which the Rockets get to take) is higher.
 
Mr. PadresLakers said:
the moops said:
Mr. PadresLakers said:
John Wall...........WOW

I cant explain the speed at which he plays at. INCREDIBLE, Iverson type speed with the ball. This guy is gonna be great. Great control of the game, elite playmaker, great court vision.
No ####.
Almost as good as the Lakers two second rd picks Link :lmao:
:mellow:
There is not much to be confused about. John Wall is ranked #3. The Lakers 2nd round picks are ranked 1 and 2. Being ranked 3rd is almost as good as being ranked 2nd or 1st.
I think/hope that you were making fun of those rankings. If not... well, let's just deal with that if it happens.
 
JMon348 said:
Nash, DragicRichardson, ChildressHill, DudleyTurkoglu, WarrickLopez, FryeSo Sarver decides to start spending money now? For this team? Wow!
I agree taking on Hedo's contract for a non-title contending team seems pretty awful. But, the team went 16-13 without Amare in 2008-2009, and I think this squad is probably better than the 08-09 team sans Amare. Unless Nash slips pretty badly, I would guess that they'll still be in playoff contention.
this team doesn't make much sense to me. i get that they are spreading the floor with shooters for nash to use. what i don't get is what they're planning to do on the other end of the floor. this could be the worst defensive team in nba history.
 
Is Kobe the greatest adulterer ever?
Nice new sub-title, but Kobe's not even the greatest adulterer in Laker history. Magic >>>> Kobe
Not to mention Jordan, who was also an adulterer. Saying "greatest adulterer ever" is akin to saying "greatest basketball player ever."Now, if he changed the subtitle to "greatest basketball player who was arrested for and charged with sexual assault of a 19 year old girl whose blood was found on the player's t-shirt and whose alleged victim's medical examination showed '[girl privates] trauma' and who settled out of court for an undisclosed sum and apologized to the victim and against whom criminal charges were dropped only because the alleged victim was unwilling to testify" then you're probably right. He's totally the best one of those ever.
True, but Roethlisberger is still young. Maybe if he plays another ten years and wins a couple more Super Bowls, we can revisit this conversation.
 
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JMon348 said:
Nash, DragicRichardson, ChildressHill, DudleyTurkoglu, WarrickLopez, FryeSo Sarver decides to start spending money now? For this team? Wow!
I agree taking on Hedo's contract for a non-title contending team seems pretty awful. But, the team went 16-13 without Amare in , and I think this squad is probably better than the 08-09 team sans Amare. Unless Nash slips pretty badly, I would guess that they'll still be in playoff contention.
this team doesn't make much sense to me. i get that they are spreading the floor with shooters for nash to use. what i don't get is what they're planning to do on the other end of the floor. this could be the worst defensive team in nba history.
could be, but lets not pretend amare played defense either. I didn't see hedo play much last year but I can't imagine that's more than a mild downgrade.
 
Is Kobe the greatest adulterer ever?
Nice new sub-title, but Kobe's not even the greatest adulterer in Laker history. Magic >>>> Kobe
Not to mention Jordan, who was also an adulterer. Saying "greatest adulterer ever" is akin to saying "greatest basketball player ever."Now, if he changed the subtitle to "greatest basketball player who was arrested for and charged with sexual assault of a 19 year old girl whose blood was found on the player's t-shirt and whose alleged victim's medical examination showed '[girl privates] trauma' and who settled out of court for an undisclosed sum and apologized to the victim and against whom criminal charges were dropped only because the alleged victim was unwilling to testify" then you're probably right. He's totally the best one of those ever.
True, but Roethlisberger is still young. Maybe if he plays another ten years and wins a couple more Super Bowls, we can revisit this conversation.
Big Ben is not married.
 
Is Kobe the greatest adulterer ever?
Nice new sub-title, but Kobe's not even the greatest adulterer in Laker history. Magic >>>> Kobe
Not to mention Jordan, who was also an adulterer. Saying "greatest adulterer ever" is akin to saying "greatest basketball player ever."Now, if he changed the subtitle to "greatest basketball player who was arrested for and charged with sexual assault of a 19 year old girl whose blood was found on the player's t-shirt and whose alleged victim's medical examination showed '[girl privates] trauma' and who settled out of court for an undisclosed sum and apologized to the victim and against whom criminal charges were dropped only because the alleged victim was unwilling to testify" then you're probably right. He's totally the best one of those ever.
Ok Mrs. Featherbottom, we get it.
 
Is Kobe the greatest adulterer ever?
Nice new sub-title, but Kobe's not even the greatest adulterer in Laker history. Magic >>>> Kobe
Not to mention Jordan, who was also an adulterer. Saying "greatest adulterer ever" is akin to saying "greatest basketball player ever."Now, if he changed the subtitle to "greatest basketball player who was arrested for and charged with sexual assault of a 19 year old girl whose blood was found on the player's t-shirt and whose alleged victim's medical examination showed '[girl privates] trauma' and who settled out of court for an undisclosed sum and apologized to the victim and against whom criminal charges were dropped only because the alleged victim was unwilling to testify" then you're probably right. He's totally the best one of those ever.
True, but Roethlisberger is still young. Maybe if he plays another ten years and wins a couple more Super Bowls, we can revisit this conversation.
Big Ben is not married.
What about Wilt? He would have to take this if he was married right?
 
JMon348 said:
Nash, DragicRichardson, ChildressHill, DudleyTurkoglu, WarrickLopez, FryeSo Sarver decides to start spending money now? For this team? Wow!
I agree taking on Hedo's contract for a non-title contending team seems pretty awful. But, the team went 16-13 without Amare in , and I think this squad is probably better than the 08-09 team sans Amare. Unless Nash slips pretty badly, I would guess that they'll still be in playoff contention.
this team doesn't make much sense to me. i get that they are spreading the floor with shooters for nash to use. what i don't get is what they're planning to do on the other end of the floor. this could be the worst defensive team in nba history.
could be, but lets not pretend amare played defense either. I didn't see hedo play much last year but I can't imagine that's more than a mild downgrade.
While the looks of this Suns roster isn't great, I don't think it is too bad either. Definitely will be lacking D and physicality… but it is deep with solid talent and can stretch the floor. With Nash there, it will remain an entertaining product at the very least.
 

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