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*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (4 Viewers)

Obviously at age 25 Jefferson was too old for this team. It's like some kind of bizarre version of FFA Homer is running this team.
The TWolves management has watched Logan's Run one too many times. I heard the real problem with Jefferson was he refused to have a life clock installed.
 
no idea if this game is live or not but cousins looks really good. i love watching these summer league games for some reason.

 
Kahn did an interview tonight with C-Webb calling Darko "manna from heaven." :loco: How terrible is it to be a Wolves fan right now.

:lmao: I'm not sure exactly what people expect out of Kahn. Here is a good rundown of what Kahn may be thinking

Basically, they are not signing a big name free agent. He is hitching his entire plan around Rubio being on the Wolves in 2012. He is accumulating a bunch of draft picks and loading the team with athletic guys who can run the floor, and they have a bunch of cap space that they will try to use that to trade for a player (someone like Iguodala?)

Rubio, Flynn, Sessions, Ridnour (I imagine 1 or 2 of these are not around after next year)

Iggy, Webster

Johnson, Webster

Love, Beasley

Darko, Pekovic

 
no idea if this game is live or not but cousins looks really good. i love watching these summer league games for some reason.
Cousins hit a big jump hook with 2.8 seconds left to put Sac on top by 1... and they got the win.I don't know how much this summer league action really means, but he is really playing well so far.
 
Kahn did an interview tonight with C-Webb calling Darko "manna from heaven." :loco: How terrible is it to be a Wolves fan right now.

In a 3 minute stretch, he called Darko a gift from heaven, compared his passing to one of the three best passing big men ever, and then compared his career arc to Chris Webber's. I'm sure his intentions were good, but it came off pretty comically (espn's bloggers were having a field day with it).
 
no idea if this game is live or not but cousins looks really good. i love watching these summer league games for some reason.
Cousins hit a big jump hook with 2.8 seconds left to put Sac on top by 1... and they got the win.I don't know how much this summer league action really means, but he is really playing well so far.
interview after the game was great. he is going to be entertaining as hell.
 
no idea if this game is live or not but cousins looks really good. i love watching these summer league games for some reason.
Cousins hit a big jump hook with 2.8 seconds left to put Sac on top by 1... and they got the win.I don't know how much this summer league action really means, but he is really playing well so far.
Was just coming in here to post about the game.Wow, he is great on the low block, reminds me exactly of Al Jefferson when he was dominating 2 years ago before his injury. Great moves and quickness.You can tell he's got a terrible attitude. Omri Casspi missed him for a wide open layup and he just looked disgusted with Casspi, ignoring a high 5, and basically shaking his head. He talked a lot of crap to the other team, and looked like he ignored his coach a couple of times. Hopefully Sacramento can keep him reigned in a bit. He needs a mentor that can talk to him, someone like Chris Webber, that he would respect.His conditioning isnt good at all, he didnt get back on D countless times. Im sure he will improve that, hopefully he wont get an attitude with the coaches when they try to push him.Great pick at 5, because he's got ROY talent. If they both play to their abilities Evans and Cousins will be a duo to remember.
 
I'm not sure exactly what people expect out of Kahn. Here is a good rundown of what Kahn may be thinking

Basically, they are not signing a big name free agent. He is hitching his entire plan around Rubio being on the Wolves in 2012. He is accumulating a bunch of draft picks and loading the team with athletic guys who can run the floor
Darko, Love and Ridnour are among the slowest human beings to ever play basketball.
 
I'm not sure exactly what people expect out of Kahn. Here is a good rundown of what Kahn may be thinking

Basically, they are not signing a big name free agent. He is hitching his entire plan around Rubio being on the Wolves in 2012. He is accumulating a bunch of draft picks and loading the team with athletic guys who can run the floor
Darko, Love and Ridnour are among the slowest human beings to ever play basketball.
I should have said athletic wings.
 
no idea if this game is live or not but cousins looks really good. i love watching these summer league games for some reason.
Cousins hit a big jump hook with 2.8 seconds left to put Sac on top by 1... and they got the win.I don't know how much this summer league action really means, but he is really playing well so far.
Was just coming in here to post about the game.Wow, he is great on the low block, reminds me exactly of Al Jefferson when he was dominating 2 years ago before his injury. Great moves and quickness.You can tell he's got a terrible attitude. Omri Casspi missed him for a wide open layup and he just looked disgusted with Casspi, ignoring a high 5, and basically shaking his head. He talked a lot of crap to the other team, and looked like he ignored his coach a couple of times. Hopefully Sacramento can keep him reigned in a bit. He needs a mentor that can talk to him, someone like Chris Webber, that he would respect.His conditioning isnt good at all, he didnt get back on D countless times. Im sure he will improve that, hopefully he wont get an attitude with the coaches when they try to push him.Great pick at 5, because he's got ROY talent. If they both play to their abilities Evans and Cousins will be a duo to remember.
Yeah, he is a little too talkative and demonstrative out on the court for my liking... but maybe Sacramento needs someone with a little fire or swagger like he has? The team has had so little going for it the last 3-4 years (aside from Tyreke last year). As a Kings fan, I was thrilled he slipped to #5 (as the most talented big man in the draft, imo) and have been happy to hear/see he has played so well thus far. But I do agree with you, there is definitely a concern the he could be a problem with the attitude etc. As you said, a good mentor would be very beneficial for the young man.
 
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Tracy McGrady appears to have received an offer from the Los Angeles Clippers.
O/U on TMac getting injured is set at 1.5 games.ETA: The more I think about, I'd have to set the O/U for between his first and last name when he is signing the deal.
 
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Heat have picked up Miller, Illgauska's, and Haslem in the last few days. Plus they got Juwan Howard in the pipeline. I'm still waiting to hear what people think of the roster considering it was supposed to be the big three plus 9 scrubs. Is the supporting cast sufficient yet?

 
Chad Ford just wrote this on ESPN Insider:

"McGrady knows he's not going to get a huge deal at his age. But he's been eyeing South Beach and seems to be leaning toward taking a minimum deal for a chance to play with the Miami Thrice. The Bulls have some interest in McGrady too."

 
Tracy McGrady appears to have received an offer from the Los Angeles Clippers.
O/U on TMac getting injured is set at 1.5 games.ETA: The more I think about, I'd have to set the O/U for between his first and last name when he is signing the deal.
Backing up Gordon? He might due okay playing 18-22 minutes a game. What was the contract for?
No idea. But combining the Clippers injury history and TMac's injury history cannot be a good thing.
 
Heat have picked up Miller, Illgauska's, and Haslem in the last few days. Plus they got Juwan Howard in the pipeline. I'm still waiting to hear what people think of the roster considering it was supposed to be the big three plus 9 scrubs. Is the supporting cast sufficient yet?
The supporting cast may be sufficient, but they are far from done completing the roster.Juwan Howard is toast, but he is a decent 4th big man. The other problem is that Ilgauskas should also be the 4th big. And so shouldn't Anthony. So, realistically, they need a defensive center who can play 25 minutes and rebound and block some shots. Someone like Dampier or even Kwame Brown (ugh).They could use a backup PG who can play 30 minutes when 1) Chalmers sucks (which is not too uncommon) and 2) in case of injuries or foul problems. Rafer Alston? Eddie House? Would Jason Williams take the minimum?But yes, this is not a team of 3 stars and 9 scrubs.
 
Heat have picked up Miller, Illgauska's, and Haslem in the last few days. Plus they got Juwan Howard in the pipeline. I'm still waiting to hear what people think of the roster considering it was supposed to be the big three plus 9 scrubs. Is the supporting cast sufficient yet?
The supporting cast may be sufficient, but they are far from done completing the roster.Juwan Howard is toast, but he is a decent 4th big man. The other problem is that Ilgauskas should also be the 4th big. And so shouldn't Anthony. So, realistically, they need a defensive center who can play 25 minutes and rebound and block some shots. Someone like Dampier or even Kwame Brown (ugh).They could use a backup PG who can play 30 minutes when 1) Chalmers sucks (which is not too uncommon) and 2) in case of injuries or foul problems. Rafer Alston? Eddie House? Would Jason Williams take the minimum?But yes, this is not a team of 3 stars and 9 scrubs.
'I agree to a certain extent. I think Illgauska's is not a 4th big man. He's got a little gas left in the tank, if he can stay healthy. I think Chalmers is ok, but I love the idea of snagging Eddie House or Jason Williams. Don't care for bringing skip back. More than the big man issue I think one more sharp shooter is needed. I really would liked to have kept Cook, I think he has a future as a Kapono/Damon Jones clone.
 
Heat have picked up Miller, Illgauska's, and Haslem in the last few days. Plus they got Juwan Howard in the pipeline. I'm still waiting to hear what people think of the roster considering it was supposed to be the big three plus 9 scrubs. Is the supporting cast sufficient yet?
Dwight smoked Big Z in the 2009 playoffs. Absolutely throttled him. Not sure why people expect him to do better now.
 
Heat have picked up Miller, Illgauska's, and Haslem in the last few days. Plus they got Juwan Howard in the pipeline. I'm still waiting to hear what people think of the roster considering it was supposed to be the big three plus 9 scrubs. Is the supporting cast sufficient yet?
Honestly, no. Ilgauskas is 35 years old and Howard is going to be 38. When was the last time someone as big as Ilgauskas was productive past the age of 35?? Neither one of those guys are capable of playing big minutes for the Heat.I like Miller and Haslem but the Heat need a couple more quality young guys before the supporting cast can be considered sufficient.
 
Heat have picked up Miller, Illgauska's, and Haslem in the last few days. Plus they got Juwan Howard in the pipeline. I'm still waiting to hear what people think of the roster considering it was supposed to be the big three plus 9 scrubs. Is the supporting cast sufficient yet?
The supporting cast may be sufficient, but they are far from done completing the roster.Juwan Howard is toast, but he is a decent 4th big man. The other problem is that Ilgauskas should also be the 4th big. And so shouldn't Anthony. So, realistically, they need a defensive center who can play 25 minutes and rebound and block some shots. Someone like Dampier or even Kwame Brown (ugh).They could use a backup PG who can play 30 minutes when 1) Chalmers sucks (which is not too uncommon) and 2) in case of injuries or foul problems. Rafer Alston? Eddie House? Would Jason Williams take the minimum?But yes, this is not a team of 3 stars and 9 scrubs.
'I agree to a certain extent. I think Illgauska's is not a 4th big man. He's got a little gas left in the tank, if he can stay healthy. I think Chalmers is ok, but I love the idea of snagging Eddie House or Jason Williams. Don't care for bringing skip back. More than the big man issue I think one more sharp shooter is needed. I really would liked to have kept Cook, I think he has a future as a Kapono/Damon Jones clone.
It's Ilgauskas. Or Big Z. hth
 
Heat have picked up Miller, Illgauska's, and Haslem in the last few days. Plus they got Juwan Howard in the pipeline. I'm still waiting to hear what people think of the roster considering it was supposed to be the big three plus 9 scrubs. Is the supporting cast sufficient yet?
Dwight smoked Big Z in the 2009 playoffs. Absolutely throttled him. Not sure why people expect him to do better now.
I actually don't like any of the moves. :wolf: I think the MIller addition is redundant. I suppose he could stand around and shoot threes when the D collapses on Wade/LBJ driving. But I don't see him doing much more then that. Z is a shell of what he used to be. He's a tall guy with a bit of touch around the rim. Obviously they aren't going to count on him for much O, but his D is suspect at best. Aside from giving them 6 fouls to use on Gasol, Bynum, Howard, Perkins, Amare, etc. I'm not sure what he's going to offer. Haslem is nice, but doesn't that push Bosh to the 5?
 
Heat have picked up Miller, Illgauska's, and Haslem in the last few days. Plus they got Juwan Howard in the pipeline. I'm still waiting to hear what people think of the roster considering it was supposed to be the big three plus 9 scrubs. Is the supporting cast sufficient yet?
They should be decent at best but all those players will be 30 or older come next season, which usually is the beginning of a sharp player decline. Also, neither Z nor Howard can be counted to on to play anything but reserve minutes... if either of them have to start they'll hurt the team more than help it. So sure Miami is getting solid players who are more known commodities but likely all of these players will regress in their play and are more likely to have the wheels fall off this season. After this influx of vets the Heat need to start signing young FA or NBDL players that offer at the very least healthy bodies. If they keep signing 30 or older vets it could bite them in the but come playoff time especially at the PG and C spots.
 
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Heat have picked up Miller, Illgauska's, and Haslem in the last few days. Plus they got Juwan Howard in the pipeline. I'm still waiting to hear what people think of the roster considering it was supposed to be the big three plus 9 scrubs. Is the supporting cast sufficient yet?
The supporting cast may be sufficient, but they are far from done completing the roster.Juwan Howard is toast, but he is a decent 4th big man. The other problem is that Ilgauskas should also be the 4th big. And so shouldn't Anthony. So, realistically, they need a defensive center who can play 25 minutes and rebound and block some shots. Someone like Dampier or even Kwame Brown (ugh).They could use a backup PG who can play 30 minutes when 1) Chalmers sucks (which is not too uncommon) and 2) in case of injuries or foul problems. Rafer Alston? Eddie House? Would Jason Williams take the minimum?But yes, this is not a team of 3 stars and 9 scrubs.
'I agree to a certain extent. I think Illgauska's is not a 4th big man. He's got a little gas left in the tank, if he can stay healthy. I think Chalmers is ok, but I love the idea of snagging Eddie House or Jason Williams. Don't care for bringing skip back. More than the big man issue I think one more sharp shooter is needed. I really would liked to have kept Cook, I think he has a future as a Kapono/Damon Jones clone.
It's Ilgauskas. Or Big Z. hth
When do the stitches come out?
 
Heat have picked up Miller, Illgauska's, and Haslem in the last few days. Plus they got Juwan Howard in the pipeline. I'm still waiting to hear what people think of the roster considering it was supposed to be the big three plus 9 scrubs. Is the supporting cast sufficient yet?
They should be decent at best but all those players will be 30 or older come next season, which usually is the beginning of a sharp player decline. Also, neither Z nor Howard can be counted to on to play anything but reserve minutes... if either of them have to start they'll hurt the team more than help it. So sure Miami is getting solid players who are more known commodities but likely all of these players will regress in their play and are more likely to have the wheels fall off this season. After this influx of vets the Heat need to start signing young FA or NBDL players that offer at the very least healthy bodies. If they keep signing 30 or older vets it could bite them in the but come playoff time especially at the PG and C spots.
How do you figure? Howard and Ilgauska's signed/will sign for vet min, if they need to cut bait they can with no repercussions.
 
Heat have picked up Miller, Illgauska's, and Haslem in the last few days. Plus they got Juwan Howard in the pipeline. I'm still waiting to hear what people think of the roster considering it was supposed to be the big three plus 9 scrubs. Is the supporting cast sufficient yet?
The supporting cast may be sufficient, but they are far from done completing the roster.Juwan Howard is toast, but he is a decent 4th big man. The other problem is that Ilgauskas should also be the 4th big. And so shouldn't Anthony. So, realistically, they need a defensive center who can play 25 minutes and rebound and block some shots. Someone like Dampier or even Kwame Brown (ugh).They could use a backup PG who can play 30 minutes when 1) Chalmers sucks (which is not too uncommon) and 2) in case of injuries or foul problems. Rafer Alston? Eddie House? Would Jason Williams take the minimum?But yes, this is not a team of 3 stars and 9 scrubs.
'I agree to a certain extent. I think Illgauska's is not a 4th big man. He's got a little gas left in the tank, if he can stay healthy. I think Chalmers is ok, but I love the idea of snagging Eddie House or Jason Williams. Don't care for bringing skip back. More than the big man issue I think one more sharp shooter is needed. I really would liked to have kept Cook, I think he has a future as a Kapono/Damon Jones clone.
It's Ilgauskas. Or Big Z. hth
When do the stitches come out?
Life is sweet here, brah. Just trying to help you out. Lithuanian names are tough to get, so is proper punctuation sometimes.
 
They could use a backup PG who can play 30 minutes when 1) Chalmers sucks (which is not too uncommon) and 2) in case of injuries or foul problems. Rafer Alston? Eddie House? Would Jason Williams take the minimum?

But yes, this is not a team of 3 stars and 9 scrubs.

'

I agree to a certain extent. I think Illgauska's is not a 4th big man. He's got a little gas left in the tank, if he can stay healthy. I think Chalmers is ok, but I love the idea of snagging Eddie House or Jason Williams. Don't care for bringing skip back. More than the big man issue I think one more sharp shooter is needed. I really would liked to have kept Cook, I think he has a future as a Kapono/Damon Jones clone.

It's Ilgauskas. Or Big Z. hth

When do the stitches come out?

Life is sweet here, brah. Just trying to help you out. Lithuanian names are tough to get, so is proper punctuation sometimes.

;)

 
Heat have picked up Miller, Illgauska's, and Haslem in the last few days. Plus they got Juwan Howard in the pipeline. I'm still waiting to hear what people think of the roster considering it was supposed to be the big three plus 9 scrubs. Is the supporting cast sufficient yet?
They should be decent at best but all those players will be 30 or older come next season, which usually is the beginning of a sharp player decline. Also, neither Z nor Howard can be counted to on to play anything but reserve minutes... if either of them have to start they'll hurt the team more than help it. So sure Miami is getting solid players who are more known commodities but likely all of these players will regress in their play and are more likely to have the wheels fall off this season. After this influx of vets the Heat need to start signing young FA or NBDL players that offer at the very least healthy bodies. If they keep signing 30 or older vets it could bite them in the but come playoff time especially at the PG and C spots.
How do you figure? Howard and Ilgauska's signed/will sign for vet min, if they need to cut bait they can with no repercussions.
If Howard and Z is the best they can get now.... it's gonna be a long season. Looks like not many useful NBA vets are willing to sign for the minimum based on the quality of the players rumored to sign with them and once the season starts it's un-signed FA and NBDL players.Good luck with those guys facing Rondo, Howard, Boozer/Noah, Perkins/KG/JO, Pau/Bynum, etc...

 
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Looks like not many useful NBA vets are willing to sign for the minimum based on the quality of the players rumored to sign with them and once the season starts it's un-signed FA and NBDL players.
:thumbup: There have been like 6 verteran minimum signings and there is a lot of talent out there still. I think you need to relax a bit before you start thinking they are gonna fill the roster with NBDL players.
 

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