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You think millers two year deal at five per with a third year option is worse then goodens deal?

 
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You think millers two year deal at five per with a third year option is worse then goodens deal?
Absolutely, Gooden's contract may become an overpaid mess in a couple years, but Miller is already a bad player who is 3.5 million dollars overpaid. Offensively he is still a decent player, you don't ever lose shooting touch and passing ability, but he has become a bad rebounder and is probably the slowest player in the NBA. He deserves to be on a roster but probably as a 4th big playing 12 minutes a game making near league minimum. Gooden is making a similar salary (cheaper the next couple years I think) and does pretty much everything at a MUCH higher rate than Miller other than hit mid range shots (which Gooden can do pretty well) and pass. Worst case is that Gooden's final 2 or 3 years are as unproductive and overpaid as Miller's next 2-3 years.
 
You think millers two year deal at five per with a third year option is worse then goodens deal?
Absolutely, Gooden's contract may become an overpaid mess in a couple years, but Miller is already a bad player who is 3.5 million dollars overpaid. Offensively he is still a decent player, you don't ever lose shooting touch and passing ability, but he has become a bad rebounder and is probably the slowest player in the NBA. He deserves to be on a roster but probably as a 4th big playing 12 minutes a game making near league minimum. Gooden is making a similar salary (cheaper the next couple years I think) and does pretty much everything at a MUCH higher rate than Miller other than hit mid range shots (which Gooden can do pretty well) and pass. Worst case is that Gooden's final 2 or 3 years are as unproductive and overpaid as Miller's next 2-3 years.
length is way more important than dollars. I'd much rather pay miller 5 million when he's 35 than al harrington 7m five years from now at the same age, or joe johnson 20 plus million when he's 36
 
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One of the best articles I've read on this issue.
Agreed. Most of the LeBron articles are just a reiteration of the same info. This info was new and interesting. Good stuff.
Where was the first part of that article a year ago?
I agree with that, too. If LeBron was that much of a problem, then how come we're only hearing about it after the fact?
 
One of the best articles I've read on this issue.
Agreed. Most of the LeBron articles are just a reiteration of the same info. This info was new and interesting. Good stuff.
Where was the first part of that article a year ago?
I agree with that, too. If LeBron was that much of a problem, then how come we're only hearing about it after the fact?
Because the Cleveland people, i.e. his "sources" are now freely talking.
 
One of the best articles I've read on this issue.
Agreed. Most of the LeBron articles are just a reiteration of the same info. This info was new and interesting. Good stuff.
Where was the first part of that article a year ago?
I agree with that, too. If LeBron was that much of a problem, then how come we're only hearing about it after the fact?
Because the Cleveland people, i.e. his "sources" are now freely talking.
Still don't understand if LeBron is such a bad guy, bad lockerroom influence, pain the in ###, and playoff quitter then why would they have offered him $125M to stay? Doesn't sound like good business to me. Also sounds like everyone in the organization but Gilbert knew he was gone a long time ago. I don't think Gilbert is very smart.

 
Still don't understand if LeBron is such a bad guy, bad lockerroom influence, pain the in ###, and playoff quitter then why would they have offered him $125M to stay? Doesn't sound like good business to me.
Oh come on, you can not be serious.
I am serious. Why would you pay $125M for a quitter? On top of that a royal PITA day in and day out to the entire organization? Do you build a winner or championship team around a quitter?
 
You think millers two year deal at five per with a third year option is worse then goodens deal?
Absolutely, Gooden's contract may become an overpaid mess in a couple years, but Miller is already a bad player who is 3.5 million dollars overpaid. Offensively he is still a decent player, you don't ever lose shooting touch and passing ability, but he has become a bad rebounder and is probably the slowest player in the NBA. He deserves to be on a roster but probably as a 4th big playing 12 minutes a game making near league minimum. Gooden is making a similar salary (cheaper the next couple years I think) and does pretty much everything at a MUCH higher rate than Miller other than hit mid range shots (which Gooden can do pretty well) and pass. Worst case is that Gooden's final 2 or 3 years are as unproductive and overpaid as Miller's next 2-3 years.
length is way more important than dollars. I'd much rather pay miller 5 million when he's 35 than al harrington 7m five years from now at the same age, or joe johnson 20 plus million when he's 36
That joe johnson contract is terrible, hawks will regret that for years. The harrington contract wasn't a great deal for the guy but the final two years are only half guaranteed, and he fills a need that the nuggets had to fill and he was the last decent big available for the mid level. At worst, again, harrington will be as bad as miller in 4 or 5 years, at least the nuggets will get a few years of production before he turns into a brad miller sort of talent.
 
Still don't understand if LeBron is such a bad guy, bad lockerroom influence, pain the in ###, and playoff quitter then why would they have offered him $125M to stay? Doesn't sound like good business to me.
Oh come on, you can not be serious.
I am serious. Why would you pay $125M for a quitter? On top of that a royal PITA day in and day out to the entire organization? Do you build a winner or championship team around a quitter?
Did you see the graphic that the city is going to lose tens of millions of dollars. The franchise's worth went down the toilet.
 
Still don't understand if LeBron is such a bad guy, bad lockerroom influence, pain the in ###, and playoff quitter then why would they have offered him $125M to stay? Doesn't sound like good business to me.
Oh come on, you can not be serious.
I am serious. Why would you pay $125M for a quitter? On top of that a royal PITA day in and day out to the entire organization? Do you build a winner or championship team around a quitter?
Did you see the graphic that the city is going to lose tens of millions of dollars. The franchise's worth went down the toilet.
So the whole city and franchise was dependent on a quitter and immature baby? I get LeBron's worth and value. But don't you think all this stuff coming out about LeBron all of a sudden is all sour grapes?I'm dead serious when I say Gilbert sounds like a clown that isn't very smart.
 
Still don't understand if LeBron is such a bad guy, bad lockerroom influence, pain the in ###, and playoff quitter then why would they have offered him $125M to stay? Doesn't sound like good business to me.
Oh come on, you can not be serious.
I am serious. Why would you pay $125M for a quitter? On top of that a royal PITA day in and day out to the entire organization? Do you build a winner or championship team around a quitter?
Did you see the graphic that the city is going to lose tens of millions of dollars. The franchise's worth went down the toilet.
So the whole city and franchise was dependent on a quitter and immature baby? I get LeBron's worth and value. But don't you think all this stuff coming out about LeBron all of a sudden is all sour grapes?I'm dead serious when I say Gilbert sounds like a clown that isn't very smart.
I can see that he might be a clown, but dumb people don't figure out how to make a billion dollars.
 
Still don't understand if LeBron is such a bad guy, bad lockerroom influence, pain the in ###, and playoff quitter then why would they have offered him $125M to stay? Doesn't sound like good business to me. Also sounds like everyone in the organization but Gilbert knew he was gone a long time ago. I don't think Gilbert is very smart.
I like how you're openly wondering why they should re-sign Lebron, and then you say somebody else isn't very smart.
 
Still don't understand if LeBron is such a bad guy, bad lockerroom influence, pain the in ###, and playoff quitter then why would they have offered him $125M to stay? Doesn't sound like good business to me.
Oh come on, you can not be serious.
I am serious. Why would you pay $125M for a quitter? On top of that a royal PITA day in and day out to the entire organization? Do you build a winner or championship team around a quitter?
Did you see the graphic that the city is going to lose tens of millions of dollars. The franchise's worth went down the toilet.
So the whole city and franchise was dependent on a quitter and immature baby?
He didn't say that. You're not very good at this.
 
Still don't understand if LeBron is such a bad guy, bad lockerroom influence, pain the in ###, and playoff quitter then why would they have offered him $125M to stay? Doesn't sound like good business to me.
Oh come on, you can not be serious.
I am serious. Why would you pay $125M for a quitter? On top of that a royal PITA day in and day out to the entire organization? Do you build a winner or championship team around a quitter?
Did you see the graphic that the city is going to lose tens of millions of dollars. The franchise's worth went down the toilet.
So the whole city and franchise was dependent on a quitter and immature baby? I get LeBron's worth and value. But don't you think all this stuff coming out about LeBron all of a sudden is all sour grapes?I'm dead serious when I say Gilbert sounds like a clown that isn't very smart.
What would you have done differently?
 
This is some interesting stuff:

"As Wesley worked front offices, his stature started to rise out of the subculture of the sport and into mainstream news coverage. Carter wanted credibility beyond the public perception of him as merely James’ childhood buddy, and ultimately he could no longer hide his jealousy when Wesley started to get too much public recognition for packaging the players in free agency. Privately, everyone in the circle knew James was leaving Cleveland, and it would be harder for his Akron guys to get credit for the deal."

This Maverick Carter guy seems like pretty much the worst possible guy to be managing James.

 
This is some interesting stuff:"As Wesley worked front offices, his stature started to rise out of the subculture of the sport and into mainstream news coverage. Carter wanted credibility beyond the public perception of him as merely James’ childhood buddy, and ultimately he could no longer hide his jealousy when Wesley started to get too much public recognition for packaging the players in free agency. Privately, everyone in the circle knew James was leaving Cleveland, and it would be harder for his Akron guys to get credit for the deal."This Maverick Carter guy seems like pretty much the worst possible guy to be managing James.
It's become painfully clear that James support system is awful, filled with little more than enablers, yes men and people looking to capitalize on their proximity to LBJI wonder if/when James will realize this and make some changes
 
This is some interesting stuff:"As Wesley worked front offices, his stature started to rise out of the subculture of the sport and into mainstream news coverage. Carter wanted credibility beyond the public perception of him as merely James’ childhood buddy, and ultimately he could no longer hide his jealousy when Wesley started to get too much public recognition for packaging the players in free agency. Privately, everyone in the circle knew James was leaving Cleveland, and it would be harder for his Akron guys to get credit for the deal."This Maverick Carter guy seems like pretty much the worst possible guy to be managing James.
It's become painfully clear that James support system is awful, filled with little more than enablers, yes men and people looking to capitalize on their proximity to LBJI wonder if/when James will realize this and make some changes
:hifive: I don't know if James is intelligent enough to figure it out though.
 
This is some interesting stuff:"As Wesley worked front offices, his stature started to rise out of the subculture of the sport and into mainstream news coverage. Carter wanted credibility beyond the public perception of him as merely James’ childhood buddy, and ultimately he could no longer hide his jealousy when Wesley started to get too much public recognition for packaging the players in free agency. Privately, everyone in the circle knew James was leaving Cleveland, and it would be harder for his Akron guys to get credit for the deal."This Maverick Carter guy seems like pretty much the worst possible guy to be managing James.
It's become painfully clear that James support system is awful, filled with little more than enablers, yes men and people looking to capitalize on their proximity to LBJI wonder if/when James will realize this and make some changes
I have absolutely no problem with Lebron James leaving Cleveland. He is allowed to go to any team he wants for any reason he wants. It doesn't make him a traitor. But . . . the way he did it was absolutely embarrassing. Many athletes surround themselves with people that help control their image, and offer good advice. Obviously James is not one of those athletes. Who in their right mind would advise a client to announce he is leaving his hometown team in a 1 hour special on national tv!?!?!?! And who would not prepare said athlete from the obvious questions he would get? James sounded completely self absorbed, selfish, and a complete idiot (love his "University of Phoenix will give 4 "privileged" kids a scholarship). Yes, that is probably who he really is, but his entourage needs to hide that as best they can. Compare it to the way Chris Bosh left Toronto. Left a very nice message, told the city why he will miss it. He didn't say, "I took Toronto to heights they have never been before, so hopefully they appreciate me". Wow.
 
This is some interesting stuff:"As Wesley worked front offices, his stature started to rise out of the subculture of the sport and into mainstream news coverage. Carter wanted credibility beyond the public perception of him as merely James’ childhood buddy, and ultimately he could no longer hide his jealousy when Wesley started to get too much public recognition for packaging the players in free agency. Privately, everyone in the circle knew James was leaving Cleveland, and it would be harder for his Akron guys to get credit for the deal."This Maverick Carter guy seems like pretty much the worst possible guy to be managing James.
It's become painfully clear that James support system is awful, filled with little more than enablers, yes men and people looking to capitalize on their proximity to LBJI wonder if/when James will realize this and make some changes
:hifive: I don't know if James is intelligent enough to figure it out though.
Why should he?
 
This is some interesting stuff:"As Wesley worked front offices, his stature started to rise out of the subculture of the sport and into mainstream news coverage. Carter wanted credibility beyond the public perception of him as merely James’ childhood buddy, and ultimately he could no longer hide his jealousy when Wesley started to get too much public recognition for packaging the players in free agency. Privately, everyone in the circle knew James was leaving Cleveland, and it would be harder for his Akron guys to get credit for the deal."This Maverick Carter guy seems like pretty much the worst possible guy to be managing James.
It's become painfully clear that James support system is awful, filled with little more than enablers, yes men and people looking to capitalize on their proximity to LBJI wonder if/when James will realize this and make some changes
:hifive: I don't know if James is intelligent enough to figure it out though.
Why should he?
Why should he change? Potential money.
 
This is some interesting stuff:"As Wesley worked front offices, his stature started to rise out of the subculture of the sport and into mainstream news coverage. Carter wanted credibility beyond the public perception of him as merely James’ childhood buddy, and ultimately he could no longer hide his jealousy when Wesley started to get too much public recognition for packaging the players in free agency. Privately, everyone in the circle knew James was leaving Cleveland, and it would be harder for his Akron guys to get credit for the deal."This Maverick Carter guy seems like pretty much the worst possible guy to be managing James.
It's become painfully clear that James support system is awful, filled with little more than enablers, yes men and people looking to capitalize on their proximity to LBJI wonder if/when James will realize this and make some changes
:hifive: I don't know if James is intelligent enough to figure it out though.
Why should he?
If LBJ is serious about wanting to be a billionaire and a global brand, these types of missteps, borne from bad advice and poor advisors will hamper that endeavorAnd that's besides just the normal reason of trying not to be a complete ########
 
If he wins, the money will come. I agree that his behavior is that of a jerk, but unfortunately there is no real reason to change. If he was going to change, it would have happened already.

 
Dwyane Wade said in a recent interview, "If we (the Miami Heat) lose a couple in a row this season, it will be like the World Trade (Center) is coming down again."

There is no proper context for a remark of such profoundly idiotic narcissism, but here is the full quote: "We're going to be wearing a bulls-eye, but that's what you play for. If we lose a couple in a row this season, it will be like the World Trade (Center) is coming down again. When the schedule comes out, people will be looking for the Lakers and Heat, to see when they play us. I feel like I'm a new player in Miami. That's how excited I am.'' The media backlash will be swift, harsh, and fully justified. If D-Wade wasn't wearing a bulls-eye before, he is now.

Source: Fanhouse.com

:whistle:

 
Dwyane Wade said in a recent interview, "If we (the Miami Heat) lose a couple in a row this season, it will be like the World Trade (Center) is coming down again."

There is no proper context for a remark of such profoundly idiotic narcissism, but here is the full quote: "We're going to be wearing a bulls-eye, but that's what you play for. If we lose a couple in a row this season, it will be like the World Trade (Center) is coming down again. When the schedule comes out, people will be looking for the Lakers and Heat, to see when they play us. I feel like I'm a new player in Miami. That's how excited I am.'' The media backlash will be swift, harsh, and fully justified. If D-Wade wasn't wearing a bulls-eye before, he is now.

Source: Fanhouse.com

:whistle:
Jeebus that's stupidWade's usually savvier than that

 
Dwyane Wade said in a recent interview, "If we (the Miami Heat) lose a couple in a row this season, it will be like the World Trade (Center) is coming down again."

There is no proper context for a remark of such profoundly idiotic narcissism, but here is the full quote: "We're going to be wearing a bulls-eye, but that's what you play for. If we lose a couple in a row this season, it will be like the World Trade (Center) is coming down again. When the schedule comes out, people will be looking for the Lakers and Heat, to see when they play us. I feel like I'm a new player in Miami. That's how excited I am.'' The media backlash will be swift, harsh, and fully justified. If D-Wade wasn't wearing a bulls-eye before, he is now.

Source: Fanhouse.com

:whistle:
Jeebus that's stupidWade's usually savvier than that
Hanging out with Lebron is making him stupider.
 
If he was going to change, it would have happened already.
Yeah, because I was who I am now as a person by age 25. :whistle: Immaturity does not necessarily equal stupidity or being a bad person. The light just comes on a little bit later for some people.When George Forman was LeBron's age he thought he had to be a brooding menace. Foreman changed and became beloved.When Andre Agassi was LeBron's age he thought "Image is Everything". Agassi changed, put the game before image, and became an all-time great.Loads of pro athletes have changed for the better after age 25.
 
Isn't Maverick Carter the coach's kid for LeBron's HS team. He has surrounded himself with all of his HS buddies. Sure, they probably went to college and educated themselves, but they also know that without LeBron they are without a paycheck and are just blank yes men for him. They are empty shells. They have very little world or business experience, based primarily on their age. I don't know why people expect so much out of him given what he has surrounded himself with.

Think about it and put yourself in his place with your buddies and your buddies only helping you make a decision at 25. Good luck with that. You would choose poorly more often than not. He needs to kick his friends out and get some real management if he truly wants to be a "global icon". Either that or he better win 5+ NBA Championships.

 
If he was going to change, it would have happened already.
Yeah, because I was who I am now as a person by age 25. <_< Immaturity does not necessarily equal stupidity or being a bad person. The light just comes on a little bit later for some people.When George Forman was LeBron's age he thought he had to be a brooding menace. Foreman changed and became beloved.When Andre Agassi was LeBron's age he thought "Image is Everything". Agassi changed, put the game before image, and became an all-time great.Loads of pro athletes have changed for the better after age 25.
Did either of those examples have people like maverick carter running their business? I'll Jang up and listen...
 
Veteran center Brad Miller has agreed to a three-year contract worth nearly$15 million with the Houston Rockets, according to sources with knowledge of the situation. The third year of the contract is partially guaranteed, sources said
:ptts: Always been a fan. Like this move given Yao's history.
More info, not a bad contract at all.The contract is worth roughly $5 million over each of three seasons. In the third season, only $1 million is guaranteed.
 
Veteran center Brad Miller has agreed to a three-year contract worth nearly$15 million with the Houston Rockets, according to sources with knowledge of the situation. The third year of the contract is partially guaranteed, sources said
:ptts: Always been a fan. Like this move given Yao's history.
More info, not a bad contract at all.The contract is worth roughly $5 million over each of three seasons. In the third season, only $1 million is guaranteed.
3 years is a LONG time for Brad Miller. Bad contract.
 
Dwyane Wade said in a recent interview, "If we (the Miami Heat) lose a couple in a row this season, it will be like the World Trade (Center) is coming down again."

There is no proper context for a remark of such profoundly idiotic narcissism, but here is the full quote: "We're going to be wearing a bulls-eye, but that's what you play for. If we lose a couple in a row this season, it will be like the World Trade (Center) is coming down again. When the schedule comes out, people will be looking for the Lakers and Heat, to see when they play us. I feel like I'm a new player in Miami. That's how excited I am.'' The media backlash will be swift, harsh, and fully justified. If D-Wade wasn't wearing a bulls-eye before, he is now.

Source: Fanhouse.com

:ptts:
meh
 
This is some interesting stuff:

"As Wesley worked front offices, his stature started to rise out of the subculture of the sport and into mainstream news coverage. Carter wanted credibility beyond the public perception of him as merely James’ childhood buddy, and ultimately he could no longer hide his jealousy when Wesley started to get too much public recognition for packaging the players in free agency. Privately, everyone in the circle knew James was leaving Cleveland, and it would be harder for his Akron guys to get credit for the deal."

This Maverick Carter guy seems like pretty much the worst possible guy to be managing James.
How's James doing so far?
 
If he wins, the money will come. I agree that his behavior is that of a jerk, but unfortunately there is no real reason to change. If he was going to change, it would have happened already.
Jordan was a jerk as well and didn't think that hurt him. James has made incredible money for not even winning a championship and his support system is fine.
 
Veteran center Brad Miller has agreed to a three-year contract worth nearly$15 million with the Houston Rockets, according to sources with knowledge of the situation. The third year of the contract is partially guaranteed, sources said
:thumbup: Always been a fan. Like this move given Yao's history.
More info, not a bad contract at all.The contract is worth roughly $5 million over each of three seasons. In the third season, only $1 million is guaranteed.
3 years is a LONG time for Brad Miller. Bad contract.
Really two years with third year only 1 mil guaranteed. Good contract.
 
Really two years with third year only 1 mil guaranteed. Good contract.
I didn't realize the 3rd year was not guaranteed. He's probably lucky to have gotten a 2 year guaranteed deal given that he's primarily a jump shooter at this stage of his career, and doesn't offer much in terms of defense.
 
If he was going to change, it would have happened already.
Yeah, because I was who I am now as a person by age 25. :thumbup: Immaturity does not necessarily equal stupidity or being a bad person. The light just comes on a little bit later for some people.When George Forman was LeBron's age he thought he had to be a brooding menace. Foreman changed and became beloved.When Andre Agassi was LeBron's age he thought "Image is Everything". Agassi changed, put the game before image, and became an all-time great.Loads of pro athletes have changed for the better after age 25.
Did either of those examples have people like maverick carter running their business? I'll Jang up and listen...
You've never stopped hanging around with one of your high school friends? And you've never changed one of the professionals (doctor, lawyer, etc.) you've had in your life? Thanks, I'll hang up and listen...P
 
If he wins, the money will come. I agree that his behavior is that of a jerk, but unfortunately there is no real reason to change. If he was going to change, it would have happened already.
Jordan was a jerk as well and didn't think that hurt him. James has made incredible money for not even winning a championship and his support system is fine.
Jordan maintained a popular public image despite some negative criticisms from the media. Jordan never had a bad reputation like LeBron does now.
 
Really two years with third year only 1 mil guaranteed. Good contract.
I didn't realize the 3rd year was not guaranteed. He's probably lucky to have gotten a 2 year guaranteed deal given that he's primarily a jump shooter at this stage of his career, and doesn't offer much in terms of defense.
Then why were a lot of teams interested in him? Seems like he's a great fit in Rick's Rockets system. It's not like anyone expects him to be a 20/10 guy or anything. Solid backup C.
 
If he wins, the money will come. I agree that his behavior is that of a jerk, but unfortunately there is no real reason to change. If he was going to change, it would have happened already.
Jordan was a jerk as well and didn't think that hurt him. James has made incredible money for not even winning a championship and his support system is fine.
Jordan maintained a popular public image despite some negative criticisms from the media. Jordan never had a bad reputation like LeBron does now.
LeBron's rep to date hasn't seem to hurt him financially.
 

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