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'Bogart said:
'Instinctive said:
I just wondered if anybody else noticed that the FT discrepancy was entirely while the Mavs were up big? Just because a team is up by 20 doesn't mean you stop calling fouls. If it's a foul in the first quarter, and it's a foul in the 4th quarter, then ti ought to be a foul in the 2nd and 3rd ones as well. From 10 minutes left in the 2nd quarter until the 1:00 to go in the 3rd, the only FT attempts were 2 shooting fouls for Chandler and the Westbrook technical. That's bull####. Dallas didn't suddenly stop driving in, or pump faking, or getting fouled. And magically, when the game got close again, Collison holding Dirk became a foul. It was ok in the 2nd and 3rd when the Mavs were up big, but I guess somebody decided that it was a foul if the score was closer than 10 points.
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Re-watching the game now (thanks ESPN3) and the amount of abuse Dirk is taking with no calls being made is just insane. I know there is always going to be some home-cooking with the refs and the number of fouls called, but it was way out of hand tonight. For a while I thought it was Dwyane Wade wearing a Westbrook jersey for a while there. Guy was getting every single call.
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:goodposting: Play after play, Dirk is getting shoved and hit, and it rarely gets called.
 
Westbrook needs to be on a team like Houston or Indiana where he iis the Guy and everyone else complements him (like rose and the bulls) .

 
'Mr. Retukes said:
'Mr. PadresLakers said:
Durant was 7 for 22 for 24 points.Westbrook was 8 for 20 for 30 points. :confused:
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What are you confused about? The math part?
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I think the Westbrook hate. I think Westbrook played decently last night. He tried to get everyone involved last night, but no one could make friggin 3 pointer.I still think Thunder take this series. The Mavs won game 1 behind Dirk's ridiculous game and won last night's game cause the Thunder had a historically bad night from 3 point land.
 
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'No. 16 said:
'Mr. Retukes said:
'Mr. PadresLakers said:
Durant was 7 for 22 for 24 points.Westbrook was 8 for 20 for 30 points. :confused:
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What are you confused about? The math part?
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I think the Westbrook hate. I think Westbrook played decently last night. He tried to get everyone involved last night, but no one could make friggin 3 pointer.I still think Thunder take this series. The Mavs won game 1 behind Dirk's ridiculous game and won last night's game cause the Thunder had a historically bad night from 3 point land.
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I always liked Westbrook until watching him in the playoffs this year. I think the hate is justified. I didn't realize he always has a pissed off look on his face like everybody is out to get him. When the fourth quarter rolls around he brings the ball up, dribbles around a bit then barrells into the paint before throwing the ball off the backboard. Most of the time he either draws a foul, bricks the layup, or turns it over. It's gruesome. It's happening over and over again. His percentage for yesterday's game surprised me. He shot the ball a little better from outside but I still grimaced watching him "run the offense" in the fourth. The majority of the time it doesn't look like even considers giving the ball up. It not just the fact that he has Durant on his team. It's that there is no ball movement. The offense is 100% dependent on him taking his guy off the dribble and being able to swim through the defenders who collapse on him because he's not giving the ball up no matter what the defense does.
 
When Durant doesn't move without the ball and the other options are Collison, Thabo and Perkins what do you guys expect?

 
'No. 16 said:
'Mr. Retukes said:
'Mr. PadresLakers said:
Durant was 7 for 22 for 24 points.Westbrook was 8 for 20 for 30 points. :confused:
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What are you confused about? The math part?
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I think the Westbrook hate. I think Westbrook played decently last night. He tried to get everyone involved last night, but no one could make friggin 3 pointer.I still think Thunder take this series. The Mavs won game 1 behind Dirk's ridiculous game and won last night's game cause the Thunder had a historically bad night from 3 point land.
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You do realize Durant wasn't too far behind Dirk in Game 1. And I think maybe....just maybe the Dallas defense and their execution on offense last night is why they won the game. Continue to imply though it was OKC losing the game last night more than Dallas winning.
 
I also think people forget that hes 22 years old and didn't play much PG in college and hes still learning the position. He'll get a whole lot better over the next couple years at running an offense.

 
NBA Sunday: Can Westbrook & Durant Co-Exist?

By: Joel Brigham

A lot is being made about the fact that both Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook are only 22 years old, that they've potentially got a decade together to grow and make several serious attempts at winning a championship.

But a lot is also being made about Westbrook's seemingly increasing inability to get Durant—the best scorer in the league—the basketball, especially in clutch situations.

Anybody who watched the last six minutes of OKC's Game 3 loss know how seldom Durant got the ball in his hands, which is even more surprising considering that the Thunder actually had an opportunity to win the ball game. Time and time again, though, Westbrook didn't even look in Durant's direction. It didn't even seem like he had his peripheral vision turned on. Just Russell and the basket and nobody else.

That, put as bluntly as possible, is a problem.

An even bigger problem is that, according to Mitch Lawrence of the New York Daily News, one veteran teammate of Westbrook's said, "He thinks he's better than Durant."

Again—if that's true, the Thunder have a huge problem on their hands.

Not that Durant is necessarily a guy to demand the ball down the stretch of any game, and it's not that all of Westbrook's shots were necessarily bad, but Westbrook must attain a better understanding of what he's got alongside him. Since he seems to forget that more often than he remembers, the question arises—in the long-term, are the Thunder better off with Westbrook, or without him?

Again, Durant loves Westbrook and isn't the kind of guy to ever issue a me-or-him ultimatum, but hypothetically, would it be possible to trade Westbrook somewhere down the line for a point guard more in tune with getting a top-tier scorer the ball instead of becoming a top-tier scorer himself?

Westbrook is still on his rookie deal and is scheduled to make a mere $5 million next season. There's no way to get full value for a kid that talented making so little money. But in one more year he's up for an extension, and that would be the team's first opportunity to try and do something significant with their point guard, if they felt so inclined.

For now, they aren't, though. Westbrook's too good and too young to give up on just yet, but in the short-term it just doesn't seem like his game includes deferring to Durant late in games. That's going to cost them some playoff games this year and very possibly beyond.

Can those two players really coexist together for the next ten years? Maybe—young players are still malleable enough to make semi-major changes in their game—but as far as this year's Western Conference playoffs are concerned, it's clear Westbrook is having a hard time figuring out. He's gotten a lot of criticism over the course of the last week, and it's not going to stop. At what point does it lead to his moving on from OKC?
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'Kev4029 said:
When Durant doesn't move without the ball and the other options are Collison, Thabo and Perkins what do you guys expect?
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Ball movement? Run plays? Get Harden involved? Are you saying Durant doesn't move without the ball and is no longer an option in the offense?I think Westbrook is atheletic and highly capable of getting to the rim, but during crunch time he's heaving himself into clusters of defenders without running sets or even looking around. He has the look of a player who has his mind made-up what he's going to do the moment he brings the ball up. A lot of this has to fall on the coach, too. If Durant can't get free enough to receive a pass, that's a correctable problem that needs to be corrected.
 
Maybe this is the trade the Nuggets should be looking for. Lawson and Gallinari for Westbrook? Gives the Thunder another jumpshooter (Gallo) and a PG who will distribute and can also hit jumpers.

 
'Kev4029 said:
I also think people forget that hes 22 years old and didn't play much PG in college and hes still learning the position. He'll get a whole lot better over the next couple years at running an offense.
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I think he is going to be a very good player in this league. HIs quickness is just ridiculous. That being said, he's not the face of the OKC franchise and never will be as long as Durant is there. Maybe in time he'll accept that, but right now, it appears as though he wants the Thunder to be HIS team. Durant is my favorite non-Mav player in the league. He's so classy and so good, it's impossible to dislike him. That being said, I think he will eventually have to go either to Westbrook or the management and say, "Look, if we want to be where we want to be this is MY team." I appreciate Durant's commitment to the team concept because that's rare in most of the NBA today, but sometimes he might take his unselfishness to far.
 
Anyone think Chicago can do what Dallas did last night and get home court advantage back tonight? I don't think it's gonna happen. I just don't see Chicago winning in Miami. The only chance they have is if Boozer steps up and provides some relief to Rose.

 
'Grady Wilson said:
'No. 16 said:
'Mr. Retukes said:
'Mr. PadresLakers said:
Durant was 7 for 22 for 24 points.Westbrook was 8 for 20 for 30 points. :confused:
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What are you confused about? The math part?
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I think the Westbrook hate. I think Westbrook played decently last night. He tried to get everyone involved last night, but no one could make friggin 3 pointer.I still think Thunder take this series. The Mavs won game 1 behind Dirk's ridiculous game and won last night's game cause the Thunder had a historically bad night from 3 point land.
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You do realize Durant wasn't too far behind Dirk in Game 1. And I think maybe....just maybe the Dallas defense and their execution on offense last night is why they won the game. Continue to imply though it was OKC losing the game last night more than Dallas winning.
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Game 1 Sure on the surface it looks close since Dirk score 48 and Durant scored 40, but if you dig deeper:- Dirk 1.73 points contributed to possessions used (PC/PU).- Durant 1.38 PC/PU- Dirk 93.9 TS%- Durant 75.9 TS%Yes, Durant had a killer game too, but Dirk's was historically ridiculous. Not only his scoring, but his passing was crazy. That has to be the best game I have ever seen any player play. Every decision Dirk made was the correct one that night. Game 3- Thunder 3pt% for the season - 35%- Game 3 - 5%- Durant 3pt% season - 35% reg- Game 3 - 0/8- Harden 3 pt% - 34%- Game 3 - 0/4Now Dallas deserves a lot of credit for their defense (very underrated and actually why I have Dwayne Casey as my #1 coaching candidate for the Warriors) and their offense has been exceptional, but those results are at the extremes.
 
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'Grady Wilson said:
Anyone think Chicago can do what Dallas did last night and get home court advantage back tonight? I don't think it's gonna happen. I just don't see Chicago winning in Miami. The only chance they have is if Boozer steps up and provides some relief to Rose.
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I think they will leave MIA 1-1. I know home court has a bit to do with it, but the 2 games we saw - the Heat play bad and they lost buy 20+, when the Bulls played bad they were in it with 2 min left.and yes the Heat played real well on defense, but the Bulls missed lots of layups, point blank points, and FTs that have nothing to do with heat defense. I dont see the bulls shooting 30% many games.watching both games tells me that the Bulls have more room for error.
 
saw this on a another place



The Omer Effect

these are net +/- per 48 with and without omer on the court

regular season:

Lebron James goes from +8 to -27

Dwyane Wade goes from +1.7 to -16.3

Chris Bosh goes from +1.4 to -8.0

Miami heat go from ortg 109.44, drtg 100.73 (net +8.71) without asik to ortg 78.72, drtg 102.63 (net -23.92)

post season:

Lebron James goes from 0.0 to -10.8

Dwyane Wade goes from +1.7 to -13.5

Chris Bosh goes from +6.9 to -6.3

Miami heat go from ortg 105.72, drtg 103.93 (net +1.79) without asik to ortg 82.84, drtg 99.92 (net -17.08)

the more omer right now the better. defensively him and taj are able to absolutely shut down the heat. the heat really struggle individually and as a team when omer steps on the court.

also related:

the lineup of rose/brewer/deng/gibson/asik is absolutely dominating these playoffs with a net rating of +40.26, ortg 120.31, drtg of 80.05.....

in the regular season this lineup was nearly as good at a net rating of 30.32, ortg 113.31, drtg of 82.99....

i love this lineup and honestly feel this may be our best lineup as long as rose isnt cold from the floor. i think the frontcourt of omer/taj is most responsible for this. overall omer asik is a damn steal for where we got him in the draft.
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What's the play tonight, fellas? I'm itching to bet this game. :degenerate:

Leaning towards Miami on the money line. Gotta lay 2 to 1. Thoughts?

 
'whitem0nkey said:
'Grady Wilson said:
Anyone think Chicago can do what Dallas did last night and get home court advantage back tonight? I don't think it's gonna happen. I just don't see Chicago winning in Miami. The only chance they have is if Boozer steps up and provides some relief to Rose.
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I think they will leave MIA 1-1. I know home court has a bit to do with it, but the 2 games we saw - the Heat play bad and they lost buy 20+, when the Bulls played bad they were in it with 2 min left.and yes the Heat played real well on defense, but the Bulls missed lots of layups, point blank points, and FTs that have nothing to do with heat defense. I dont see the bulls shooting 30% many games.watching both games tells me that the Bulls have more room for error.
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The Heat has not blown out anybody in the post-season, except for one of the Philly games, so Chicago has a great chance to win one in Miami. The big unknown is Udonis Haslem and whether he can play a major role again in reducing the Bull's offensive rebounds. The Heat's PG play has been atrocious so far in this series - but coach Spo doesn't want to get Wade or James into foul trouble, so he'll use Bibby as much as he can.
 
'Raider Nation said:
What's the play tonight, fellas? I'm itching to bet this game. :degenerate:Leaning towards Miami on the money line. Gotta lay 2 to 1. Thoughts?
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I don't think the Heat loses this one tonight. I'm not much of a gambler any more, but I'd definitely take the money line. No idea what the line is, but I think Miami wins by at least 6.
 
In game 1, Chicago hit more than half of their 3 pointers. In game 2, they were 3 for 20. If they hit even 35-40%, they win.

Korver's got to come out of his slump.

 
'Kev4029 said:
'timschochet said:
Joakim Noah is perhaps the ugliest basketball player I've ever seen, and that's saying something.
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Popeye Jones, Sam Cassell, Chris Kaman and Tyrone Hill (forgotten in NBA's ugliest, he is legitimately scary looking) are all offended by that comment.
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Kaman is more scary than ugly. Jones, Cassell and Hill are in a tier by themselves. Jones looks like a mutant, Cassell looks like an alien, and Hill looks like a scavenger after the apocalypse. Each one has probably banged more hot chicks than the cumulative total of this board.
 
the bulls have only 2 people on the court who can dribble. Noah looks so uncomfortable and boozer only wants to shot after the refs blow the whistle.

 
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