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Haven't the rockets been trying to flip a comparable crop of assets for years now? I wouldn't get too excited about the trade possibilities if I was a nuggets fan.
Kev4029
Footballguy
According to Hollinger Afflalo's contract has $6m of funny money tied up in bonuses he'll never get, so its really a 5/37 deal.And front loading the contracts is a genius move with the new luxury tax situation coming up in two years. Not only does it make the contracts easier for the Nuggets to handle in the future, it makes Nene much more tradable in the future if his play declines.
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Kev4029
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Frosty legit dumped his team? I'm gonna miss his schtick in there. Other than his PG I thought he did a very good job of assembling his team around Howard.... and even Miller was a good pick when he got him, just not an ideal fit.
the moops
Footballguy
I thought the new CBA didnt allow the front loading of contracts?
Kev4029
Footballguy
Why wouldn't they allow front loading?I have no knowledge one way or another about that, but I don't know why that would be illegal in the new CBA.
boubucarow
Footballguy
Rip's debut couldn't have been much better. He didn't shoot the lights out but his presence created a flow on offense the Bulls couldn't grasp often enough last year. They had 30 assists on the night and half were by Rose and Rip. I tempered my expectation of his impact but if tonight was any indication the Bulls will have a much easier time offensively. Rose will have a lot more easy nights when he can concentrate on initiating the ball movement and simply being a cog instead of the engine.
boubucarow
Footballguy
Oh, and Rose signed his max extension today. Good night for the Bulls.
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Instinctive
Footballguy
I disagree - there's multiple players I'd have taken instead at each spot in the draft and I think I could build a better team around Dwight. Not a fan.ETA: I do like Jimmy Butler and Matthews though
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biggamer3
Footballguy
Kev, I hear you and others saying how the Nuggets have so many assets they can get a star player if they want.
There are about 20 star players in the league, of the 20 about 15 are locked up with their teams and no chance of being traded. The stars are almost never ever traded unless they have one year left on contract and want out. Which star is it even possible for the Nuggets to go after if they wanted to?
The only real tradeable assets they have are Lawson and Gallo. All the others are nice players but not much value. So if they package Lawson, Gallo and Faried or Moz they still wont be able to get close to acquiring a star player like Westbrook or even a Steph Curry.
There are about 20 star players in the league, of the 20 about 15 are locked up with their teams and no chance of being traded. The stars are almost never ever traded unless they have one year left on contract and want out. Which star is it even possible for the Nuggets to go after if they wanted to?
The only real tradeable assets they have are Lawson and Gallo. All the others are nice players but not much value. So if they package Lawson, Gallo and Faried or Moz they still wont be able to get close to acquiring a star player like Westbrook or even a Steph Curry.
the moops
Footballguy
I misheard something apparently. For some reason I heard they were disallowing it. Turns out they just reduced how much you front load it. Looks like it can go down 7.5% each year over the contract.
Kev4029
Footballguy
I'm not looking at a Westbrook/Curry type, but more of an Igudola/Josh Smith/Andrew Bogut type that their team might be looking to dump for a couple of young cheap assets. By star, I'm talking more All-Star than All-Pro.The Nuggets are never going to get a gaggle of superstars to team up here, so they need to create a team similar to the 00's Pistons. I think they are close with their starting lineup and have more depth than the Pistons ever did, even though the teams were built for far different types of play. Lawson, Nene, Gallo and Afflalo is 4/5ths of the way to being a Championship contender, IMO. They need a difference maker to run along side Nene, which is why I've brought up Josh Smith. He would be an incredible fit because he is amazing in transition, can play high while Nene is down low, he's fairly good against PFs down low and he is a special weakside defender. He would basically be everything the Nuggets wanted when they signed Martin to his horrible contract 7 years ago.
Anyone think the Lakers should send their trade exception to Denver for A. Miller?
You would think the Lakers have something in mind for the exception and I'm sure it's not Miller. But if they traded for Miller could he then be packaged, in a few months, with another contract to another team?
What I'm getting at is the trade exception doesn't offer a lot of flexibility. The player they would get in return has to make $8.9mill or less. But if you got Miller (7.5mill) and packaged it with someone like Walton you could align a trade for someone who makes more then $8.9mill (Hedo comes to mind).
Plus in the meantime the Lakers have someone to run the point. I also wouldn't be surprised if Denver would want to shed Miller's salary and add another exception.
You would think the Lakers have something in mind for the exception and I'm sure it's not Miller. But if they traded for Miller could he then be packaged, in a few months, with another contract to another team?
What I'm getting at is the trade exception doesn't offer a lot of flexibility. The player they would get in return has to make $8.9mill or less. But if you got Miller (7.5mill) and packaged it with someone like Walton you could align a trade for someone who makes more then $8.9mill (Hedo comes to mind).
Plus in the meantime the Lakers have someone to run the point. I also wouldn't be surprised if Denver would want to shed Miller's salary and add another exception.
Kev4029
Footballguy
This is one of the dumbest most non-nonsensical trade ideas I've ever seen on here.You are doing a bang up job replacing Mr. PadresLakers.
Please explain?
So you agree with me?
Kev4029
Footballguy
The Nuggets would be giving their only backup PG to playoff competitor for nothing. There is absolutely zero incentive for the Nuggets to do that, it would almost be like the Lakers taking their only competent backup at PF and giving him away to the defending champs for nothing.... only this would be a competent front office making that mistake.The only real incentive you cited doesn't really even make sense. Stan Kronke is pretty damn rich and the Nuggets are going to be significantly below the Luxury tax and probably just barely above the salary cap so there is no need to give away a necessary player to "shed salary." Your other point that you tried making about the Nuggets getting another exception would also be nearly worthless because they can't combine exceptions and they already have a $12.XX million exception left over from the Melo trade.ETA: Holy grammatical errors Batman.Please explain?
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Kev4029
Footballguy
Its midnight and I have the mastery of the English language of a middle schooler.You are right rich guys never make moves to save money. And Denver doesn't have any unsigned players in China. And having one trade exception makes another worthless. And the Denver front office is not closer to the Clippers then the Lakers.The Nuggets would be giving their only backup PG to playoff competitor for nothing. There is absolutely zero incentive for the Nuggets to do that, it would almost be like the Lakers taking their only competent backup at PF and giving him away to the defending champs for nothing.... only this would be a competent front office making that mistake.The only real incentive you cited doesn't really even make sense. Stan Kronke is pretty damn rich and the Nuggets are going to be significantly below the Luxury tax and probably just barely above the salary cap so there is no need to give away a necessary player for "shed salary." You're other point that you were made about the Nuggets getting another exception, but that would also be nearly worthless because they can't combine exceptions and they already have a $12.XX million exception left over from the Melo trade.Please explain?
biggamer3
Footballguy
This makes sense. I guess they could try to do a Lawson/gallo/some other small asset for Jordan Crawford/josh Smith type deal
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
I agree. The offensive flow was wonderfull when Rip was in the game. Such a big difference. And some great passes. Bringing back up the possible target of Vince Carter instead of Hamiliton, I prefer Rip. Even though Vince is a better one-on-one creator and three-point shooter, I prefer an active system guy like Rip. It's up to Thibs and the players to use him and play off him right, but I think they will.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
I haven't read anything about the contract having player options. Have you?
Mile High
Footballguy
Karl seems pretty happy with the team he has.
Kev4029
Footballguy
Lawson wouldn't be included in any deal for any player unless they were getting a superstar PG back. Lawson is going to be the breakout player in the NBA this year and will make the All-Star game.I would think that if the Nuggets were going to make a trade their core of Nene, Gallo, Afflalo and Lawson would be very tough to get. If they they make a trade I think it will be because a team is looking to dump salary for young assets, that would mean some 1st rounders (they have all theirs going foward and the unprotected Knicks pick in 2014) and some of their other talent (Chandler, Fernandez, Brewer, Mozgov, their rookies, possibly sign and trades for KMart and JR). I understand that isn't a great package, but they'll be looking to buy at fifty cents on the dollar.
Kev4029
Footballguy
I think hes happy with it, but they have too many decent players that deserve time, they are going to end up with some upset players by the end of the year (Either Fernandez or Miller depending on if Miller spends lots of time at SG and probably Brewer and Harrington when Chandler comes back). They NEED to trade some of these bench guys to at least upgrade the roster a little bit. Going 12 deep is awesome for the regular season but they'll shrink their rotation in the playoffs and it would be nice to have fewer talented players, but more talent.
the moops
Footballguy
Chris Paul, Russell Westbrook, Steph Curry, and Steve Nash disagree.
mlball77
Footballguy
Only mildly surprising to me. He is a decent guy to challenge shots around the rim and grab some rebounds. His game definitely is limited, but I think he is a solid fit back on the Kings. A PF/C rotation of Cousins, Dalembert, Hickson and Thompson should be decent. Plus, I like the idea of starting a guy like Dalembert (or Hayes when the Kings had him) to balance out the starting five with at least one guy that isn't so worried about his scoring.
They won't be trading Lawson and Gallo, so you can forget that.
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Lawson is nice, but Kev's homerism is showing.
Kev4029
Footballguy
There is typically 5 guards (the 11th and 12th players are almost always a guard and a forward), last year the starters were Kobe and Paul who are both locks unless one of them gets hurt, and the three backups were Ginobili (who's seen his game start to tail off a bit and he'll play fewer minutes this year), Westbrook (I would be amazed if he didn't make it this year) and Deron Williams (Gone to the other conference). That leaves two open spots.Nash - Older, playing on what could be a horrendous team (usually bad teams don't get picked by the coaches for the game) and has only made the AS game once in the past three years
Curry - Could make it, but like Nash, its possible that the GSW will be under .500 and that would almost assuredly eliminate him
Parker - IMO, more likely to be an All-Star than either Nash or Curry because he'll be the only one of the Spurs trio playing big-ish minutes with the condensed schedule and if the Spurs are playing .600 ball they'll want to force one of them into the All-Star game.
Martin - If the Rockets surprise and he is playing a few more minutes than last year its possible he could get the nod.
Gordon - He'll be shooting a lot and may have some impressive per game numbers, but the Hornets will be really bad.
Lawson - Coming into his own, will be playing with a good team, has a head start on most because of his time playing overseas this year.
I think the 5 guards will be Paul, Kobe, Westbrook, Lawson and either Parker or Ginobili depending on what kind of playing time Ginobili gets.
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I was suprised Harrington wasn't a mulligan. I imagine if Chandler wasn't in China he would have been.
Kev4029
Footballguy
There was no reason to amnesty him this year, with the cap holds for Chandler, Martin and JR they were well over the cap (even though they didn't have lots of cash committed). If they would have amnestied him this year they wouldn't have gained anything and they would have lost a useful player. The only player that was amnestied with no immediate financial gain was Davis, but he would have #####ed and moaned as the backup PG and the Cavs were better off without him from a basketball standpoint.The Nuggets are going to amnesty him eventually, I think, but unless they are creeping up toward the luxury tax or they are freeing him to use cap space there is no reason to dump a rotation player for nothing.... unless you're the LA Lakers.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Clippers to sign Reggie Evans to a one year deal.
Great signing. Energy and rebounding of the bench
Great signing. Energy and rebounding of the bench
Kev4029
Footballguy
As an added bonus he'll check each of his teammates for hernias!Clippers to sign Reggie Evans to a one year deal. Great signing. Energy and rebounding of the bench
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Can't believe the Hollinger projections for the East have been up for at least a half hour and we haven't had a Knicks fan rant yet.
Wooderson
Fight The Power
I was at the game last night. The injury happened right in front of me. He was in a whole lot of pain and wasn't able to put any weight on it. No idea how serious it is but it didn't look good.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Bummer.
what did it say?
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
That the Knicks are pretty terrible.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
35-31, 7 seed in the East.Threw them a bone by saying they'd be a dangerous first round opponent, though
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Now Monta is looking at sexual harassment charges ala Favre.Possibly another W's season
before it even starts?
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
2 1/2 hours. If he dissed the Lakers, Rockets or Nuggets, the response would have been much sooner.
Limp Ditka
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