*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (34 Viewers)

[Premier]

Tough couple of weeks for LakerFan.

 

[Abraham]

Watch the lakers miss the playoffs and win the lottery

 

[Gr00vus]

Watch the lakers miss the playoffs and win the lottery

Stern owes them! Make the balls bounce right David.Anyway, Gilbert Arenas - come on down?

 

[the moops]

Tough couple of weeks for LakerFan.

 

[boubucarow]

Oh, and Rose signed his max extension today. Good night for the Bulls.

I haven't read anything about the contract having player options. Have you?

No, I would be surprised if Rose even would have wanted one.

 

[Gr00vus]

More Kobe wrist injury info.

The lunotriquetral ligament stabilizes two of the smaller wrist bones on the outside part of the wrist. It was unclear if it was a complete or partial tear.

"If it's a complete tear, it's more problematic," said Keith Feder, a Manhattan Beach sports medicine specialist. "Without being privy to the MRI, these types of injuries can take anywhere from several days to several weeks to heal completely, but depending on the pain level and with support, the athlete could play."

 

[Gr00vus]

So now Dalembert is going to the Rockets. That's just what the Goat Herder ordered.

 

[thecatch]

Dalembert switches gears, decides to sign a two yr deal to play with perennial MVP candidate Kevin Martin.

 

[Premier]

So now Dalembert is going to the Rockets. That's just what the Goat Herder ordered.

Now they can trade him straight up for Howard.

 

[Gr00vus]

So now Dalembert is going to the Rockets. That's just what the Goat Herder ordered.

Now they can trade him straight up for Howard.

I'm thinking Otis will have to kick in Anderson or Reddick as well.

 

[sports_fan]

More Kobe wrist injury info.

The lunotriquetral ligament stabilizes two of the smaller wrist bones on the outside part of the wrist. It was unclear if it was a complete or partial tear.

"If it's a complete tear, it's more problematic," said Keith Feder, a Manhattan Beach sports medicine specialist. "Without being privy to the MRI, these types of injuries can take anywhere from several days to several weeks to heal completely, but depending on the pain level and with support, the athlete could play."

I didn't even know it's possible for a torn ligament to heal on its own.

 

[mlball77]

Dalembert switches gears, decides to sign a two yr deal to play with perennial MVP candidate Kevin Martin.

He'll help that team on the defensive end and grabbing some boards. Wish the Kings could have re-signed him, but I think he landed in a pretty nice spot for his skills to be used.

 

[Abraham]

 

[Iron_Far]

The warriors employee that Monta Ellis was involved with: Not exactly a dime piece.

 

[Getinthemix]

Can't believe Monta doesn't have better taste than that.

 

[thecatch]

Can't believe Monta doesn't have better taste than that.

His shot selection is terrible both on and off the court.

 

[Popinski]

The warriors employee that Monta Ellis was involved with: Not exactly a dime piece.

Hawt

 

[Premier]

The Magic didn't look half-bad last night.

 

[Major]

In Morey We Trust

 

[simmonjm]

Can't believe the Hollinger projections for the East have been up for at least a half hour and we haven't had a Knicks fan rant yet.

what did it say?

That the Knicks are pretty terrible.

35-31, 7 seed in the East.Threw them a bone by saying they'd be a dangerous first round opponent, though

Yea I saw his article and love the hypocrisy of it. He says the health of Chandler and Amare factored into his prediction and yet the geriatic Boston Celtics are ranked #3. Not really worth arguing about as Hollinger has repeatedly taken shots at the Knicks over the years. While alot of the shots were justified under the Zeke reign still a bit over the top.

 

[Premier]

Why would Hollinger have a vendetta against the Knicks?

Just because somebody doesn't like the way your team is constructed doesn't mean there is some evil thought behind it, fanboys.

 

[simmonjm]

Why would Hollinger have a vendetta against the Knicks?Just because somebody doesn't like the way your team is constructed doesn't mean there is some evil thought behind it, fanboys.

Ive read Hollingers articles over the year and he is highly critical of the Knicks do you not think it possible for someone to have a bias? You ever read Bill Simmons?

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I miss Ferris.

 

[Premier]

Why would Hollinger have a vendetta against the Knicks?Just because somebody doesn't like the way your team is constructed doesn't mean there is some evil thought behind it, fanboys.

Ive read Hollingers articles over the year and he is highly critical of the Knicks do you not think it possible for someone to have a bias? You ever read Bill Simmons?

Yes, you have a bias for example. Towards the Knicks. Comparing Hollinger to Simmons is insane. Hollinger is the most reasoned guy out there.

 

[No. 16]

Why would Hollinger have a vendetta against the Knicks?Just because somebody doesn't like the way your team is constructed doesn't mean there is some evil thought behind it, fanboys.

Ive read Hollingers articles over the year and he is highly critical of the Knicks do you not think it possible for someone to have a bias? You ever read Bill Simmons?

Yes, you have a bias for example. Towards the Knicks. Comparing Hollinger to Simmons is insane. Hollinger is the most reasoned guy out there.

Agreed. Not a fan of PER, but Hollinger's analysis is usually fairly objective. Really enjoy reading his work because he not only understands statistics, but he actually watches every game during the off-season several times.

 

[No. 16]

Any idea bad Curry's injury is? I was actually looking forward to that last televised game on the 25th.

I was at the game last night. The injury happened right in front of me. He was in a whole lot of pain and wasn't able to put any weight on it. No idea how serious it is but it didn't look good.

C-Ryas/MRI or whatever they take.Sprained ankle. Day to day.Stupid Warriors....Also watching that game: Jimmer is the real deal. He'll be a very productive NBA player.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Can't believe the Hollinger projections for the East have been up for at least a half hour and we haven't had a Knicks fan rant yet.

what did it say?

That the Knicks are pretty terrible.

35-31, 7 seed in the East.Threw them a bone by saying they'd be a dangerous first round opponent, though

Yea I saw his article and love the hypocrisy of it. He says the health of Chandler and Amare factored into his prediction and yet the geriatic Boston Celtics are ranked #3. Not really worth arguing about as Hollinger has repeatedly taken shots at the Knicks over the years. While alot of the shots were justified under the Zeke reign still a bit over the top.

Not sure I see the hypocrisy. Setting aside the fact that age and health are not necessarily the same thing, he highlights the grueling schedule as a problem for both teams. He projects the Celtics to slip from a 68% winning percentage to 65%. That just happens to be the 3 seed in his East projections. It's entirely possible to project that both teams will suffer due to the compressed schedule, but to also project that the Celtics will be better than the Knicks, so that their projected slippage will leave them at the 3 while the Knicks' slippage will leave them at the 7. So ... where's the hypocrisy exactly?I LOVE the idea that a numbers guy like Hollinger "takes shots at" or "has it out for" the Knicks and the Lakers. As if that's the more reasonable conclusion than those two fan bases just being the whiniest ones in the league.

 

[Wooderson]

Any idea bad Curry's injury is? I was actually looking forward to that last televised game on the 25th.

I was at the game last night. The injury happened right in front of me. He was in a whole lot of pain and wasn't able to put any weight on it. No idea how serious it is but it didn't look good.

C-Ryas/MRI or whatever they take.Sprained ankle. Day to day.Stupid Warriors....Also watching that game: Jimmer is the real deal. He'll be a very productive NBA player.

Sneaky pick for ROY. I think he may get a ton of playing time which will help his case.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

1) Hollinger is right.

2) Kobe is faking.

 

[No. 16]

1) Hollinger is right.2) Kobe is faking.

Yep, I really like the Knicks team, but he's dead on about injury concerns and bench depth (though they are a talent bench: Shumpert, Jeffries, Bill Walker).Starting 5PG Baron Davis/DouglasSG Landry FieldsSF Carmelo AnthonyPF AmareC Tyson ChandlerI really don't see anything in that analysis that screams biased against the Knicks. If they're healthy they're one of the best, biggest, and most explosive teams but with the physical gifts comes the possible injuries to BD (gutted through 82 games in his 07-08 contract year) and Chandler (who has never played a full season).As a BD fan, I would love to see this team fully healthy in the playoffs.

 

[Zigg]

Thinking about checking out a Magic game in February for cheap, are the nosebleeds ok for watching a game?

Go Raps, Andrea for MVP

 

[Good Posting Judge]

I could see Martin winning the scoring title if durant gets Hirt. 20:1 on durant getting injured seems reasonable.

You realize the scoring title is PPG, right? And he'd still have to get past Ellis, Wade, James, Rose, Kobe, etc. There are better values out there.I'm already on Irving +600 for the ROY.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Thinking about checking out a Magic game in February for cheap, are the nosebleeds ok for watching a game?Go Raps, Andrea for MVP

Although I don't think an MVP has ever come from a last place team.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

1) Hollinger is right.2) Kobe is faking.

Yep, I really like the Knicks team, but he's dead on about injury concerns and bench depth (though they are a talent bench: Shumpert, Jeffries, Bill Walker).Starting 5PG Baron Davis/DouglasSG Landry FieldsSF Carmelo AnthonyPF AmareC Tyson ChandlerI really don't see anything in that analysis that screams biased against the Knicks. If they're healthy they're one of the best, biggest, and most explosive teams but with the physical gifts comes the possible injuries to BD (gutted through 82 games in his 07-08 contract year) and Chandler (who has never played a full season).As a BD fan, I would love to see this team fully healthy in the playoffs.

Its a good starting 5 and an absolutely terrible bench. With the compressed season and the Knick high tempo style, they'll be worn out by February.

 

[Sammy3469]

Can't believe the Hollinger projections for the East have been up for at least a half hour and we haven't had a Knicks fan rant yet.

what did it say?

That the Knicks are pretty terrible.

35-31, 7 seed in the East.Threw them a bone by saying they'd be a dangerous first round opponent, though

Yea I saw his article and love the hypocrisy of it. He says the health of Chandler and Amare factored into his prediction and yet the geriatic Boston Celtics are ranked #3. Not really worth arguing about as Hollinger has repeatedly taken shots at the Knicks over the years. While alot of the shots were justified under the Zeke reign still a bit over the top.

Not sure I see the hypocrisy. Setting aside the fact that age and health are not necessarily the same thing, he highlights the grueling schedule as a problem for both teams. He projects the Celtics to slip from a 68% winning percentage to 65%. That just happens to be the 3 seed in his East projections. It's entirely possible to project that both teams will suffer due to the compressed schedule, but to also project that the Celtics will be better than the Knicks, so that their projected slippage will leave them at the 3 while the Knicks' slippage will leave them at the 7. So ... where's the hypocrisy exactly?I LOVE the idea that a numbers guy like Hollinger "takes shots at" or "has it out for" the Knicks and the Lakers. As if that's the more reasonable conclusion than those two fan bases just being the whiniest ones in the league.

I do think the Knicks have a much easier schedule than the Celtics though. The C's have an 8 game in 12 day round trip out west, while the Knicks don't go west of Texas/OK/Minny in 2012. The Knicks also only have Miami 3 times, OKC once, and Indiana 3 times while playing lottery bound teams 26 times. Hollinger is basically betting Amare or Chandler goes down for a month. That may happen, but Amare did play 78 games last year and Chandler played 74. At 35-31 Hollinger is basically saying this is the same team as last year (35 wins translates to 43.5 wins which was their Pythg win %) for a team in turmoil most of the year with their 3rd best player at the end of the year (Billups) banged up and playing like crap. The Knicks may not be better than Boston, but it's hard for me to believe they aren't better than last year's team.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Can't believe the Hollinger projections for the East have been up for at least a half hour and we haven't had a Knicks fan rant yet.

what did it say?

That the Knicks are pretty terrible.

35-31, 7 seed in the East.

Threw them a bone by saying they'd be a dangerous first round opponent, though

Yea I saw his article and love the hypocrisy of it. He says the health of Chandler and Amare factored into his prediction and yet the geriatic Boston Celtics are ranked #3. Not really worth arguing about as Hollinger has repeatedly taken shots at the Knicks over the years. While alot of the shots were justified under the Zeke reign still a bit over the top.

Not sure I see the hypocrisy. Setting aside the fact that age and health are not necessarily the same thing, he highlights the grueling schedule as a problem for both teams. He projects the Celtics to slip from a 68% winning percentage to 65%. That just happens to be the 3 seed in his East projections. It's entirely possible to project that both teams will suffer due to the compressed schedule, but to also project that the Celtics will be better than the Knicks, so that their projected slippage will leave them at the 3 while the Knicks' slippage will leave them at the 7. So ... where's the hypocrisy exactly?

I LOVE the idea that a numbers guy like Hollinger "takes shots at" or "has it out for" the Knicks and the Lakers. As if that's the more reasonable conclusion than those two fan bases just being the whiniest ones in the league.

I do think the Knicks have a much easier schedule than the Celtics though. The C's have an 8 game in 12 day round trip out west, while the Knicks don't go west of Texas/OK/Minny in 2012. The Knicks also only have Miami 3 times, OKC once, and Indiana 3 times while playing lottery bound teams 26 times. Hollinger is basically betting Amare or Chandler goes down for a month. That may happen, but Amare did play 78 games last year and Chandler played 74. At 35-31 Hollinger is basically saying this is the same team as last year (35 wins translates to 43.5 wins which was their Pythg win %) for a team in turmoil most of the year with their 3rd best player at the end of the year (Billups) banged up and playing like crap. The Knicks may not be better than Boston, but it's hard for me to believe they aren't better than last year's team.

Why not? Adding Chandler is a significant upgrade. Billups (even banged-up Billups) to Douglas/Davis is a downgrade, as is the loss of depth. Seems reasonable to think they could be no better than they were last year if they don't add more pieces in season.

It's not like they improved by leaps and bounds after the Denver trade last year. They were 28-26 on February 16, and the finished 42-40. In fact, one could argue that projecting a 35-31 record for a team that went 14-14 (i.e. the post-trade Knicks) is projecting improvement.

The schedule argument is a good one, though. Hadn't considered that.

Also, do not underestimate the impact of losing Ronny Turiaf and his ridiculous bench reactions.

 

[No. 16]

Can't believe the Hollinger projections for the East have been up for at least a half hour and we haven't had a Knicks fan rant yet.

what did it say?

That the Knicks are pretty terrible.

35-31, 7 seed in the East.Threw them a bone by saying they'd be a dangerous first round opponent, though

Yea I saw his article and love the hypocrisy of it. He says the health of Chandler and Amare factored into his prediction and yet the geriatic Boston Celtics are ranked #3. Not really worth arguing about as Hollinger has repeatedly taken shots at the Knicks over the years. While alot of the shots were justified under the Zeke reign still a bit over the top.

Not sure I see the hypocrisy. Setting aside the fact that age and health are not necessarily the same thing, he highlights the grueling schedule as a problem for both teams. He projects the Celtics to slip from a 68% winning percentage to 65%. That just happens to be the 3 seed in his East projections. It's entirely possible to project that both teams will suffer due to the compressed schedule, but to also project that the Celtics will be better than the Knicks, so that their projected slippage will leave them at the 3 while the Knicks' slippage will leave them at the 7. So ... where's the hypocrisy exactly?I LOVE the idea that a numbers guy like Hollinger "takes shots at" or "has it out for" the Knicks and the Lakers. As if that's the more reasonable conclusion than those two fan bases just being the whiniest ones in the league.

I do think the Knicks have a much easier schedule than the Celtics though. The C's have an 8 game in 12 day round trip out west, while the Knicks don't go west of Texas/OK/Minny in 2012. The Knicks also only have Miami 3 times, OKC once, and Indiana 3 times while playing lottery bound teams 26 times. Hollinger is basically betting Amare or Chandler goes down for a month. That may happen, but Amare did play 78 games last year and Chandler played 74. At 35-31 Hollinger is basically saying this is the same team as last year (35 wins translates to 43.5 wins which was their Pythg win %) for a team in turmoil most of the year with their 3rd best player at the end of the year (Billups) banged up and playing like crap. The Knicks may not be better than Boston, but it's hard for me to believe they aren't better than last year's team.

With this crazy schedule you can't directly translate a 66 game record to an 82 game record. Also the team won't be better than last years team for however many games BD misses these first few weeks. So they're already in a hole.

 

[scoobus]

Brook Lopez broke his foot, looks like no Howard for the Nets

 

[Kiddnets]

Brook Lopez broken foot....out for a long time...Nets are cursed!

 

[Juxtatarot]

Brook Lopez broke his foot, looks like no Howard for the Nets

If he's only out 4 to 6 weeks, he'll be back in plenty of time before the trade deadline.

 

[Premier]

hilarious, and awesome.

 

[Kiddnets]

Brook Lopez broke his foot, looks like no Howard for the Nets

If he's only out 4 to 6 weeks, he'll be back in plenty of time before the trade deadline.

It certainly helps that Nets draft pick to be higher....(bright side)

 

[tommyGunZ]

I LOVE the idea that a numbers guy like Hollinger "takes shots at" or "has it out for" the Knicks and the Lakers. As if that's the more reasonable conclusion than those two fan bases just being the whiniest ones in the league.

The idea that a "numbers guy" like Hollinger can't take shots is bizarre.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I LOVE the idea that a numbers guy like Hollinger "takes shots at" or "has it out for" the Knicks and the Lakers. As if that's the more reasonable conclusion than those two fan bases just being the whiniest ones in the league.

The idea that a "numbers guy" like Hollinger can't take shots is bizarre.

Sure he can, if he wants to for some reason. But why would he? Very few national analysts really "take shots." It kind of goes against what they do, especially a guy like Hollinger, whose analysis supposedly revolves around dispassionate statistical analysis.You see stuff like this on Twitter every day- every time some sports analyst links to a story, a fan who perceives his team to be on the wrong side of the conclusion whines about the writer's obvious bias. Sometimes analysts will post reply tweets from, say, Red Sox fans accusing them of Yankees bias and Yankee fans accusing them of Red Sox bias, in response to the exact same story. The whole thing is ridiculous, and the only people that come out of it looking bad are the whiny fans.

Sure, there are those guys like Pat Forde and Gregg Doyel who post pure opinion pieces on hot-button issues that are clearly intended to rile up passionate fan bases to increase page views. That's a different story. But guys like Hollinger and those like him are far more interested in being correct than "taking shots." If you can't see that, you're just like those whiny, crazy people on Twitter.

 

[sports_fan]

Saw part of the Wolves game last night. Love was moving better than last season. It looks like he lost some weight in the offseason.

 

[thecatch]

I LOVE the idea that a numbers guy like Hollinger "takes shots at" or "has it out for" the Knicks and the Lakers. As if that's the more reasonable conclusion than those two fan bases just being the whiniest ones in the league.

The idea that a "numbers guy" like Hollinger can't take shots is bizarre.

Sure he can, if he wants to for some reason. But why would he? Very few national analysts really "take shots." It kind of goes against what they do, especially a guy like Hollinger, whose analysis supposedly revolves around dispassionate statistical analysis.You see stuff like this on Twitter every day- every time some sports analyst links to a story, a fan who perceives his team to be on the wrong side of the conclusion whines about the writer's obvious bias. Sometimes analysts will post reply tweets from, say, Red Sox fans accusing them of Yankees bias and Yankee fans accusing them of Red Sox bias, in response to the exact same story. The whole thing is ridiculous, and the only people that come out of it looking bad are the whiny fans.

Sure, there are those guys like Pat Forde and Gregg Doyel who post pure opinion pieces on hot-button issues that are clearly intended to rile up passionate fan bases to increase page views. That's a different story. But guys like Hollinger and those like him are far more interested in being correct than "taking shots." If you can't see that, you're just like those whiny, crazy people on Twitter.

Hollinger definitely has some Keith Law-esque snark in him but I don't think it affects his underlying analysis.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I LOVE the idea that a numbers guy like Hollinger "takes shots at" or "has it out for" the Knicks and the Lakers. As if that's the more reasonable conclusion than those two fan bases just being the whiniest ones in the league.

The idea that a "numbers guy" like Hollinger can't take shots is bizarre.

Sure he can, if he wants to for some reason. But why would he? Very few national analysts really "take shots." It kind of goes against what they do, especially a guy like Hollinger, whose analysis supposedly revolves around dispassionate statistical analysis.You see stuff like this on Twitter every day- every time some sports analyst links to a story, a fan who perceives his team to be on the wrong side of the conclusion whines about the writer's obvious bias. Sometimes analysts will post reply tweets from, say, Red Sox fans accusing them of Yankees bias and Yankee fans accusing them of Red Sox bias, in response to the exact same story. The whole thing is ridiculous, and the only people that come out of it looking bad are the whiny fans.

Sure, there are those guys like Pat Forde and Gregg Doyel who post pure opinion pieces on hot-button issues that are clearly intended to rile up passionate fan bases to increase page views. That's a different story. But guys like Hollinger and those like him are far more interested in being correct than "taking shots." If you can't see that, you're just like those whiny, crazy people on Twitter.

Hollinger definitely has some Keith Law-esque snark in him but I don't think it affects his underlying analysis.

That's true. I love Keith Law, so I guess that tells you where I'm coming from. I don't mind a little dooshy arrogance as a side order with my thoughtful analysis. It's good for a laugh or two.

 

[Gr00vus]

I don't mind a little dooshy arrogance as a side order with my thoughtful analysis.

This is a shocking revelation.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I don't mind a little dooshy arrogance as a side order with my thoughtful analysis.

This is a shocking revelation.

 

[JMon348]

I don't mind a little dooshy arrogance as a side order with my thoughtful analysis.

This is a shocking revelation.