*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (3 Viewers)

[Mister Martie]

Asik filling it up.

 

[Abraham]

Why is Asik getting anywhere near a defender? Tell him to run out of bounds.

 

[sporthenry]

That ain't a charge. When did the NBA start paying NCAA refs?

 

[snowmonkey501]

That ain't a charge. When did the NBA start paying NCAA refs?

when you extend your arm like durant did, its a charge.

 

[Moe.]

I can't believe the Thunder pulled that intentional foul crap in that situation. So dumb.

 

[sporthenry]

That ain't a charge. When did the NBA start paying NCAA refs?

when you extend your arm like durant did, its a charge.

Went back and rewatched it, he didn't extend his arms and Garcia wasn't set. Durant does push off but that wasn't the case there.

 

[Raider Nation]

Did I hear incorrectly or is the NBA thinking about getting rid of that intentional off-the-ball fouling? PLEASE GOD, make it so!

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Why not send Asik in to the crowd, running away from the defense, as soon as the ball is inbounded.

Was thinking the same thing. He did a nice job knocking them down.

 

[Abraham]

Good win. In under no illusion that this team can go far, but having playoff success is something to build on for the future and gives Dwight something to watch from home. Go rox.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Kenyon Martin (5 fouls in 13 minutes) post-game interview.

Told his Knicks teammates to wear all black for the Celtics funeral tonight. Then doesn't want any part of it post-game after it completely backfired.

Classic.

 

[No. 16]

Great article describing the "dirty" plays and this is from a Dubs blog......

http://www.sbnation.com/2013/5/1/4288556/denver-nuggets-dirty-stephen-curry-mark-jackson

The only play that was even intentional was the trip and all it was was a trip, and it was nothing that you wouldn't see on a half dozen screens a game. I'm not even sure I would say they played him especially physical and it was lightyears away from dirty. People are blowing this way the #### out of proportion.

Did you read the comments in that article? I think pretty much most people agree with you.It's a good sound bite and taking point, so it's gotten plenty of attention but if you listen... most people don't agree with Mark Jackson's comments taken at face value.

Most people don't agree with him because he is wrong. A baseline view shows it was a shoulder bump and not a trip.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/warriors/were-nuggets-playing-dirty

Honestly, I don't think even Mark Jackson believes they are dirty fouls.

 

[simmonjm]

Almost as bad as JR Smith who said if Knicks had him in game 4 they win and no way Celtics win game 5 since he playing only to start game 0-10

Kenyon Martin (5 fouls in 13 minutes) post-game interview.

Told his Knicks teammates to wear all black for the Celtics funeral tonight. Then doesn't want any part of it post-game after it completely backfired.

Classic.

 

[Daywalker]

Did I hear incorrectly or is the NBA thinking about getting rid of that intentional off-the-ball fouling? PLEASE GOD, make it so!

Or you get three FT attempts to make two would be nice.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Great article describing the "dirty" plays and this is from a Dubs blog......

http://www.sbnation.com/2013/5/1/4288556/denver-nuggets-dirty-stephen-curry-mark-jackson

Mike Prada's a Wiz guy. He does national work for SB Nation.

Speaking of the Wiz, I think it's now safe to say that the Jason Collins-Jordan Crawford trade had the biggest character disparity in the history of sports trades.

 

[Abraham]

The problem with getting rid of the off ball fouling is that if the team simply has the option of getting the ball out of bounds than the game would last for ever. I'd be in favor of "one shot and the ball" or allowing the team to pick anyone on the floor to shoot the free throws. That would curtail things in a hurry.

 

[bigbottom]

Sweet double charge on Asik!

http://www.everyjoe.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/asik-double-charge.gif

 

[Kev4029]

Melo has so many shot attempts that even though he is shooting 39% from the floor he is leading the post season in shots made. Through 5 games he has 134 shot attempts with only 6 assists. I've been something of a Melo apologist for his entire career, but he is an awful post season player.

 

[the moops]

Sweet double charge on Asik!

http://www.everyjoe.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/asik-double-charge.gif

 

[Kev4029]

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Shot would have counted it he timed it just right. Pretty dumb though.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Go Celtics!

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Melo has so many shot attempts that even though he is shooting 39% from the floor he is leading the post season in shots made. Through 5 games he has 134 shot attempts with only 6 assists. I've been something of a Melo apologist for his entire career, but he is an awful post season player.

His usage is sitting at 39%... must be a record or damn close. Kobe would be proud.

ETA: Yup, it is the highest usage rate ever in the NBA.

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

Sweet double charge on Asik!

http://www.everyjoe.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/asik-double-charge.gif

 

[Kev4029]

Melo has so many shot attempts that even though he is shooting 39% from the floor he is leading the post season in shots made. Through 5 games he has 134 shot attempts with only 6 assists. I've been something of a Melo apologist for his entire career, but he is an awful post season player.

His usage is sitting at 39%... must be a record or damn close. Kobe would be proud.

ETA: Yup, it is the highest usage rate ever in the NBA.

Honestly, I'm a little surprised that Iverson wasn't higher in their finals run, in fact, he didn't even have the highest usage in the playoffs that year, Karl Malone did and McGrady was right behind him. That season had 3 of the top 10 highest post season usage percentages ever.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Melo has so many shot attempts that even though he is shooting 39% from the floor he is leading the post season in shots made. Through 5 games he has 134 shot attempts with only 6 assists. I've been something of a Melo apologist for his entire career, but he is an awful post season player.

His usage is sitting at 39%... must be a record or damn close. Kobe would be proud.

ETA: Yup, it is the highest usage rate ever in the NBA.

Honestly, I'm a little surprised that Iverson wasn't higher in their finals run, in fact, he didn't even have the highest usage in the playoffs that year, Karl Malone did and McGrady was right behind him. That season had 3 of the top 10 highest post season usage percentages ever.

I thought the Smush Parker season would have been higher as well.

I don't think I've seen an uglier line from a "star" than what Melo has going right now. Terrible shooting. No passing. No rebounding (1 offensive rebound in 5 games!). Hasn't blocked a shot. Raymond freaking Felton has been their best player!

 

[Popinski]

Jordan Crawford vs Carmelo Anthony http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/5/2/4293144/jordan-crawford-carmelo-anthony-trash-talk

 

[Controller]

Did I hear incorrectly or is the NBA thinking about getting rid of that intentional off-the-ball fouling? PLEASE GOD, make it so!

Or you get three FT attempts to make two would be nice.

Or, how about this: If team A commits an intentional off-the-ball foul, the coach of team B gets to choose any of his 5 players who were on the floor at the time, to go to the line to shoot the free throws.

 

[No. 16]

Did I hear incorrectly or is the NBA thinking about getting rid of that intentional off-the-ball fouling? PLEASE GOD, make it so!

Or you get three FT attempts to make two would be nice.

Or, how about this: If team A commits an intentional off-the-ball foul, the coach of team B gets to choose any of his 5 players who were on the floor at the time, to go to the line to shoot the free throws.

How about we leave it as is and not reward poor free throw shooters?

 

[Moe.]

Did I hear incorrectly or is the NBA thinking about getting rid of that intentional off-the-ball fouling? PLEASE GOD, make it so!

Or you get three FT attempts to make two would be nice.

Or, how about this: If team A commits an intentional off-the-ball foul, the coach of team B gets to choose any of his 5 players who were on the floor at the time, to go to the line to shoot the free throws.

How about we leave it as is and not reward poor free throw shooters?

Because it's terrible to watch. That has to count for something.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Did I hear incorrectly or is the NBA thinking about getting rid of that intentional off-the-ball fouling? PLEASE GOD, make it so!

Or you get three FT attempts to make two would be nice.

Or, how about this: If team A commits an intentional off-the-ball foul, the coach of team B gets to choose any of his 5 players who were on the floor at the time, to go to the line to shoot the free throws.

How about we leave it as is and not reward poor free throw shooters?

Because it's terrible to watch. That has to count for something.

Then we need to get rid of timeouts in the last two minutes as well.

 

[Moe.]

I still can't believe the Thunder stuck with that strategy even after getting the lead down to six with four minutes left. There's plenty of time left at that point, how about you just play some defense instead? Not to mention that Asik wasn't missing enough of them for it to be worthwhile.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I still can't believe the Thunder stuck with that strategy even after getting the lead down to six with four minutes left. There's plenty of time left at that point, how about you just play some defense instead? Not to mention that Asik wasn't missing enough of them for it to be worthwhile.

I know Presti and the rest of the front office get a lot of love from the basketball nerds, but don't most of them also consider Brooks to be pretty terrible?

 

[Moe.]

Because it's terrible to watch. That has to count for something.

Then we need to get rid of timeouts in the last two minutes as well. I know that factor can't be the be-all and end-all but I believe it's at leas

You'll get no argument for me. I'd also love it if they eliminated TV timeouts. I'd prefer to eliminate as many stoppages as possible.

 

[Moe.]

I still can't believe the Thunder stuck with that strategy even after getting the lead down to six with four minutes left. There's plenty of time left at that point, how about you just play some defense instead? Not to mention that Asik wasn't missing enough of them for it to be worthwhile.

I know Presti and the rest of the front office get a lot of love from the basketball nerds, but don't most of them also consider Brooks to be pretty terrible?

Yes, a lot of really smart people are of the opinion that Brooks isn't a great coach and that a lot of the Thunder's success is in spite of him. I don't know how you can get rid of a guy who has won so many games over the past few years but I don't think any Thunder fans would be very upset if the team decided to go in a different direction. His overall tactical acumen seems to be lacking, ahd his lineup decisions get killed all the time.

 

[sporthenry]

I still can't believe the Thunder stuck with that strategy even after getting the lead down to six with four minutes left. There's plenty of time left at that point, how about you just play some defense instead? Not to mention that Asik wasn't missing enough of them for it to be worthwhile.

I know Presti and the rest of the front office get a lot of love from the basketball nerds, but don't most of them also consider Brooks to be pretty terrible?

Yes, a lot of really smart people are of the opinion that Brooks isn't a great coach and that a lot of the Thunder's success is in spite of him. I don't know how you can get rid of a guy who has won so many games over the past few years but I don't think any Thunder fans would be very upset if the team decided to go in a different direction. His overall tactical acumen seems to be lacking, ahd his lineup decisions get killed all the time.

I guess that might be the case but it seems kinda tough to fire him after losing one of his best players in a series they looked like they were gonna sweep. Then add in the fact the other team's best player used to be on his team and all of a sudden, his roster doesn't look so good. Is the Thunder roster that much better than the Rockets at this point?

 

[TobiasFunke]

I still can't believe the Thunder stuck with that strategy even after getting the lead down to six with four minutes left. There's plenty of time left at that point, how about you just play some defense instead? Not to mention that Asik wasn't missing enough of them for it to be worthwhile.

I know Presti and the rest of the front office get a lot of love from the basketball nerds, but don't most of them also consider Brooks to be pretty terrible?

Yes, a lot of really smart people are of the opinion that Brooks isn't a great coach and that a lot of the Thunder's success is in spite of him. I don't know how you can get rid of a guy who has won so many games over the past few years but I don't think any Thunder fans would be very upset if the team decided to go in a different direction. His overall tactical acumen seems to be lacking, ahd his lineup decisions get killed all the time.

I guess that might be the case but it seems kinda tough to fire him after losing one of his best players in a series they looked like they were gonna sweep. Then add in the fact the other team's best player used to be on his team and all of a sudden, his roster doesn't look so good. Is the Thunder roster that much better than the Rockets at this point?

Yeah, I was speaking more generally about how Brooks is perceived, not wondering if he might get fired. I think people often question some of his tactical decisions. For example, fouling a 56% free throw shooter with plenty of time left in the game. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense from a points-per-possession standpoint. It makes more sense if you're doing it as a desperation move down 8 with a minute left on the clock, but that wasn't the case.

 

[Moe.]

I still can't believe the Thunder stuck with that strategy even after getting the lead down to six with four minutes left. There's plenty of time left at that point, how about you just play some defense instead? Not to mention that Asik wasn't missing enough of them for it to be worthwhile.

I know Presti and the rest of the front office get a lot of love from the basketball nerds, but don't most of them also consider Brooks to be pretty terrible?

Yes, a lot of really smart people are of the opinion that Brooks isn't a great coach and that a lot of the Thunder's success is in spite of him. I don't know how you can get rid of a guy who has won so many games over the past few years but I don't think any Thunder fans would be very upset if the team decided to go in a different direction. His overall tactical acumen seems to be lacking, ahd his lineup decisions get killed all the time.

I guess that might be the case but it seems kinda tough to fire him after losing one of his best players in a series they looked like they were gonna sweep. Then add in the fact the other team's best player used to be on his team and all of a sudden, his roster doesn't look so good. Is the Thunder roster that much better than the Rockets at this point?

I don't think its his "fault" if they lose this series and I would agree that the Thunder roster is not that much better (if at all) than the Rockets' roster right now. Doesn't really have anything to do with the last few games specifically, moreso just his total body of work since he's been the coach.

 

[Gr00vus]

Most people don't agree with him because he is wrong. A baseline view shows it was a shoulder bump and not a trip.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/warriors/were-nuggets-playing-dirty

Honestly, I don't think even Mark Jackson believes they are dirty fouls.

I heard Jackson interviewed on the Dan Patrick show today and he said he thought the trip was a dirty play - only the trip though, nothing else.

 

[Harris]

Rose out, Hinrich out, Deng and Gibson game time decisions......not looking so hot for Los Bulls.

 

[SWC]

one tactic that the bucks have been using at the end of games is to lose really bad and look terrible doing it so at least brooks is not employing that tactic maybe you have that going for you brohans

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

Love SWC!

 

[sporthenry]

Most people don't agree with him because he is wrong. A baseline view shows it was a shoulder bump and not a trip.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/warriors/were-nuggets-playing-dirty

Honestly, I don't think even Mark Jackson believes they are dirty fouls.

I heard Jackson interviewed on the Dan Patrick show today and he said he thought the trip was a dirty play - only the trip though, nothing else.

I'm sure that is the case and I wouldn't be surprised if it was a ploy to get the refs to look at the things more closely and also puts the attention on him and the Nugs and takes pressure off of his team.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Phil Jackson as Raptor's president?

MLSE got a new president and is making a strong push for him. Could they finally land a competent front office person?

 

[Mile High]

Most people don't agree with him because he is wrong. A baseline view shows it was a shoulder bump and not a trip.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/warriors/were-nuggets-playing-dirty

Honestly, I don't think even Mark Jackson believes they are dirty fouls.

I heard Jackson interviewed on the Dan Patrick show today and he said he thought the trip was a dirty play - only the trip though, nothing else.

Guessing he didn't see the the two flagrant fouls for knocking Faried around as dirty plays.

 

[matuski]

This could not be working out better for the Spurs. Long rest, watching the other teams take each other out.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Phil Jackson as Raptor's president?

MLSE got a new president and is making a strong push for him. Could they finally land a competent front office person?

They just randomly drop Charlotte in there though as well. Him and Jordan together again?

 

[SWC]

marc jackson does not think it was dirty he is just being a crafty veteran and put all the attention on the refs and now watch curry get space to shoot all night long i do miss having him and van gundy go back and forth during games that was a pretty good announcing combo right there but they were no max and jim that is for sure brohans

 

[Moe.]

Speaking of announcing, **** Stockton really struggled last night. He used the wrong name for a player close to ten times. Felt bad for Webber trying to clean it up each time.

 

[thecatch]

Phil Jackson as Raptor's president?

MLSE got a new president and is making a strong push for him. Could they finally land a competent front office person?

Do we know Phil Jackson is a competent front office person?

 

[TobiasFunke]

Phil Jackson as Raptor's president?

MLSE got a new president and is making a strong push for him. Could they finally land a competent front office person?

Do we know Phil Jackson is a competent front office person?

Yeah I don't get this. If I want to build a great plane, I don't hire a pilot who's been really good at flying awesome planes that other people built. I want to hire a great engineer.