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[Craig_MiamiFL]

I'm sure the next Nets coach will be able to instill heart into the players

 

[Mr. Retukes]

So Carlisimo is fired as coach of Nets. Why is it that when a team loses in the playoffs, it's the coaches fault and not the players who sucked?? Only coaches like Phil Jackson, Pop---the greats don't get fired.

The players make more money and are more difficult to replace. The goal is to find a coach that fits the players, not the other way around.

 

[biggamer3]

So Carlisimo is fired as coach of Nets. Why is it that when a team loses in the playoffs, it's the coaches fault and not the players who sucked?? Only coaches like Phil Jackson, Pop---the greats don't get fired.

PJ was likely getting fired even had they advanced. Fans hated him, apparently the upper management hated him because he was too stubborn and failed to play or develop any of the younger players on the team.

Also I might have been onto something before...

Tim Bontemps ‏@TimBontemps now

Deron says he’d “love to play for Coach Sloan” again.

 

[thecatch]

Only Silver Lining is that Nets will now get a real coach next year and fire that tool PJ.

Kerr keeps saying how great a job PJ did, he actually didnt do anything different than Avery, he played Evans way to much and the fans hated him, good riddance. This team needs one more piece to contend next year. I dont think its the end of the world they lost, they were losing in 4 or 5 to Miami either way, at least we get rid of this turd coach, cause they probably keep him if they advance.

They had to play Evans because he's their only competent rebounder. There are some serious flaws in how this team was put together and they don't have much, if any, flexibility to improve. They can look forward to a couple more years of 4-5 seed finishes and first round playoff exits. On the positive side, there are a lot of franchises that would be happy with that (and given the Nets' history, you'd think they would be one of them).

This is where you and PJ were wrong. Evans has elite rebounding skills, we get that, but he is such a negative on the offensive side of the floor and such a horrible defender that they didnt warrant that much playing time to Blatche and Humps extent. Lopez has always had rebound dominant PF's like Evans and Hump smooching up the rebounds that he would get, I have watched him enough to see that he is capable of getting 8+ rebounds a game (as i believe he did in the playoffs)Evans has been in the league a long time and never was more than a 10 mins a game player for the most part, under PJ he was getting 25-33 mins a night, that was insane and I almost couldnt watch the games simply because he was such a detriment to the team. On offense his guy never guards him at all, thus clogging up the lanes for everyone else and ruining any spacing.

IIRC the teams rebounding rate absolutely tanked when Evans wasn't on the floor. There's just no way around that.

would like to see that as well as the Nets pts per 100 Possessions with Evans on the floor and with him off, and their defensive metrics.

But even those stats are somewhat not that informative since Evans always played with Deron and Lopez on the floor and the backups came in when he went out.

http://www.82games.com/1213/1213BKN2.HTM

The Nets did just about everything better (including score) with Evans on the floor vs. Humphries.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lopezbr01.html

Lopez averaged 7.4 rebounds per game in the first round this year, and his rebounding rate was just awful (even worse than his regular season numbers). I get that Lopez has played with some rebounding specialists and that might have hurt his numbers historically, but there's a reason he's playing with those specialists - he doesn't rebound well enough on his own.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Kinda funny considering Evans is one of their only max effort players on the roster.

Nets are a lackadaisical team going nowhere. The way they played last night you'd have thought it was a December home game vs. the Bobcats. All those highly paid players and still no leader.

 

[Premier]

Durant is such a killer.

 

[Abraham]

Kevin Martin too.

 

[Premier]

I don't think it is horrendous, they should make the playoffs for the foreseeable future, but they are not Championship contenders.

They aren't even contenders to make the ECF which should pretty much be the goal in the Lebron era.JJ and Wallace are just going to get worse and more expensive. Rough few years ahead.

Depends how you define rough. They are a playoff team. I know that isn't saying a ton, but they aren't in a situation like the Bobcats and Magic. I could definitely see them winning a couple of playoff series.

Honestly, I would rather be in the Magic's situation.

I guess it depends. The Magic are a blank slate who will likely be horrid the next couple of years. The Nets are a playoff team who, with a few breaks, might make the ECF in the next couple of seasons. But not really a title contender, IMO. But still a playoff team. The Magic have a ton of work to do, and lack a top 1 or 2 (and many would argue) 3 player on a playoff caliber team.

Well while the magic had a good run in 08-10 I can tell you seeing your team get handled easily in round 1 like what happened in 11-12 isn't really any fun.I'm looking forward to a top-4 pick this year and then hopefully another in the loaded '14 draft.

Vucevic, Tobias are the only two real assets that should be built around. Harkless and Nicholson are not more than future role players IMO. You snag a top player like Mclemore or Burke this year and another in 14 and boom you guys are gonna be fun to watch.

I agree with all of this. I think Vuc is a top-3 player on a good team. Not a lot of centers that can rebound and score like him.Hark and Nicholson are definitely role players. I feel like Harkless can carve out a defensive specialist role. Pretty much all Nicholson can do is score.

Who you want them to take, Noel? I feel like Ben or Trey are good fits to run a young team with no pressure. banged up bigs always scare me. They should find a team that wants Afflalo and get something for him, the Magic dont need him at all. They need to suck for another season or two, might as well give all young guys extra burn .

Burke, McLemore and Noel in that order. I do think Noel will be a defensive stud but offensive game seems less than limited. Burke seems like a great offensive PG but worried about him being abused on D. Completely agree on trading Afflalo. He could be a big help for a contender. No need for him to be here right now.

 

[tommyGunZ]

I don't think it is horrendous, they should make the playoffs for the foreseeable future, but they are not Championship contenders.

They aren't even contenders to make the ECF which should pretty much be the goal in the Lebron era.JJ and Wallace are just going to get worse and more expensive. Rough few years ahead.

Depends how you define rough. They are a playoff team. I know that isn't saying a ton, but they aren't in a situation like the Bobcats and Magic. I could definitely see them winning a couple of playoff series.

Honestly, I would rather be in the Magic's situation.

I guess it depends. The Magic are a blank slate who will likely be horrid the next couple of years. The Nets are a playoff team who, with a few breaks, might make the ECF in the next couple of seasons. But not really a title contender, IMO. But still a playoff team. The Magic have a ton of work to do, and lack a top 1 or 2 (and many would argue) 3 player on a playoff caliber team.

Well while the magic had a good run in 08-10 I can tell you seeing your team get handled easily in round 1 like what happened in 11-12 isn't really any fun.I'm looking forward to a top-4 pick this year and then hopefully another in the loaded '14 draft.

Vucevic, Tobias are the only two real assets that should be built around. Harkless and Nicholson are not more than future role players IMO. You snag a top player like Mclemore or Burke this year and another in 14 and boom you guys are gonna be fun to watch.

I agree with all of this. I think Vuc is a top-3 player on a good team. Not a lot of centers that can rebound and score like him.Hark and Nicholson are definitely role players. I feel like Harkless can carve out a defensive specialist role. Pretty much all Nicholson can do is score.

Who you want them to take, Noel? I feel like Ben or Trey are good fits to run a young team with no pressure. banged up bigs always scare me. They should find a team that wants Afflalo and get something for him, the Magic dont need him at all. They need to suck for another season or two, might as well give all young guys extra burn .

Burke, McLemore and Noel in that order. I do think Noel will be a defensive stud but offensive game seems less than limited. Burke seems like a great offensive PG but worried about him being abused on D. Completely agree on trading Afflalo. He could be a big help for a contender. No need for him to be here right now.

Burke #1 overall?

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Carmelo got an MVP vote Well played New York voter.

Forget giving him the vote over Lebron, do a comparison of Melo and Durant this season and it's laughable.

 

[Mister CIA]

Nobody crack any jokes about the organ music at Madison Square Garden - that's somebody's great-grandmother.

 

[Premier]

Tommy -- I highly doubt that. Just my personal preference. We won't know for a while if the magic get the #1.

 

[Abraham]

Tommy -- I highly doubt that. Just my personal preference. We won't know for a while if the magic get the #1.

Even if they do, I suppose they could trade down. But lets say they like Burke and could trade down to 4 where Phoenix is since they can't drop behind New Orleans. What would a trade like that look like? Would New Orleans dangle their pick and Gordon for the Phoenix pick since the suns wanted him last year.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Melo continuing his great HeroBall tradition in the postseason for the Knicks.

2010: .375 on 22 FGA/game

2011: .419 on 25 FGA/game

2012: .378 on 27 FGA/game

 

[Abraham]

Indiana can't beat Miami, but they can slow them down.

Memphis would be interesting against the heat because Lebron would be forced to play pf and work on defense.

 

[Premier]

Tommy -- I highly doubt that. Just my personal preference. We won't know for a while if the magic get the #1.

Even if they do, I suppose they could trade down. But lets say they like Burke and could trade down to 4 where Phoenix is since they can't drop behind New Orleans. What would a trade like that look like? Would New Orleans dangle their pick and Gordon for the Phoenix pick since the suns wanted him last year.

Interesting. Yea I don't know. If the Magic do get the 1, I feel pretty sure they want to trade down for someone who falls in love with Noel.

 

[Abraham]

Tommy -- I highly doubt that. Just my personal preference. We won't know for a while if the magic get the #1.

Even if they do, I suppose they could trade down. But lets say they like Burke and could trade down to 4 where Phoenix is since they can't drop behind New Orleans. What would a trade like that look like? Would New Orleans dangle their pick and Gordon for the Phoenix pick since the suns wanted him last year.

Interesting. Yea I don't know. If the Magic do get the 1, I feel pretty sure they want to trade down for someone who falls in love with Noel.

You don't like Harris, Noel, Vucevic and a high pick next year? If they suck and get a top 2 pick they would be loaded at front court.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

My money is on the Magic taking McLemore (no matter where they pick)

 

[Abraham]

My money is on the Magic taking McLemore (no matter where they pick)

Would be a good pick but they would be better taking Noel, sitting him, and getting wiggins or Parker next year.

 

[BassNBrew]

All this draft talk is making me sick...

Three decent players in this draft??? We'll get spot 4.

 

[biggamer3]

Only Silver Lining is that Nets will now get a real coach next year and fire that tool PJ.

Kerr keeps saying how great a job PJ did, he actually didnt do anything different than Avery, he played Evans way to much and the fans hated him, good riddance. This team needs one more piece to contend next year. I dont think its the end of the world they lost, they were losing in 4 or 5 to Miami either way, at least we get rid of this turd coach, cause they probably keep him if they advance.

They had to play Evans because he's their only competent rebounder. There are some serious flaws in how this team was put together and they don't have much, if any, flexibility to improve. They can look forward to a couple more years of 4-5 seed finishes and first round playoff exits. On the positive side, there are a lot of franchises that would be happy with that (and given the Nets' history, you'd think they would be one of them).

This is where you and PJ were wrong. Evans has elite rebounding skills, we get that, but he is such a negative on the offensive side of the floor and such a horrible defender that they didnt warrant that much playing time to Blatche and Humps extent. Lopez has always had rebound dominant PF's like Evans and Hump smooching up the rebounds that he would get, I have watched him enough to see that he is capable of getting 8+ rebounds a game (as i believe he did in the playoffs)Evans has been in the league a long time and never was more than a 10 mins a game player for the most part, under PJ he was getting 25-33 mins a night, that was insane and I almost couldnt watch the games simply because he was such a detriment to the team. On offense his guy never guards him at all, thus clogging up the lanes for everyone else and ruining any spacing.

IIRC the teams rebounding rate absolutely tanked when Evans wasn't on the floor. There's just no way around that.

would like to see that as well as the Nets pts per 100 Possessions with Evans on the floor and with him off, and their defensive metrics.

But even those stats are somewhat not that informative since Evans always played with Deron and Lopez on the floor and the backups came in when he went out.

http://www.82games.com/1213/1213BKN2.HTM

The Nets did just about everything better (including score) with Evans on the floor vs. Humphries.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lopezbr01.html

Lopez averaged 7.4 rebounds per game in the first round this year, and his rebounding rate was just awful (even worse than his regular season numbers). I get that Lopez has played with some rebounding specialists and that might have hurt his numbers historically, but there's a reason he's playing with those specialists - he doesn't rebound well enough on his own.

thanks for those links. But the problem was not Evans over Hump primarily it was never putting Lopez and Blatche together. Whenever they were together in the regular season (like one or two games for 5 minute stretches) they blew out the opponent in those games at those times. Vs the Bulls they went to that Combo only when they were forced to because of score and they always gave Bulls problems matching up with them. For some reason PJ hated to give Blatche extra minutes when he was the second most talented big on the team by far.

Also hilarious from PJ coaching this year. With like 15 games left in the season, and Marshawn coming off his best pro game ever with like 27 and 7 filling in for Johnson, PJ said after the game that he needs to start giving Stackhouse minutes because they need him to be ready in playoffs. Stack was a healthy scratch for a month at that time, was a total scrub but he started giving him 20 minutes a game for no damn reason to Marshawn and others detriment. LOL, such a bad coach, was actually fun to hate watch the team just to make fun of the coach the next day with my buddies.

 

[biggamer3]

Melo continuing his great HeroBall tradition in the postseason for the Knicks.

2010: .375 on 22 FGA/game

2011: .419 on 25 FGA/game

2012: .378 on 27 FGA/game

absolutely appalling. And I have watched every game, he literally doesnt care about wide open teammates he decides to go to hero ball and throws up horrible shots all the time.

One thing i notices with Melo is that he cant control his anger. If he doesnt get a few calls he totally goes overboard barreling into people next few possessions to try to get the call and he usually picks up a charge doing that.

 

[Premier]

Tommy -- I highly doubt that. Just my personal preference. We won't know for a while if the magic get the #1.

Even if they do, I suppose they could trade down. But lets say they like Burke and could trade down to 4 where Phoenix is since they can't drop behind New Orleans. What would a trade like that look like? Would New Orleans dangle their pick and Gordon for the Phoenix pick since the suns wanted him last year.

Interesting. Yea I don't know. If the Magic do get the 1, I feel pretty sure they want to trade down for someone who falls in love with Noel.

You don't like Harris, Noel, Vucevic and a high pick next year? If they suck and get a top 2 pick they would be loaded at front court.

Yea I would be fine with him. He's limited offensively but defense looks top-notch. Most of the speculation though says Hennigan doesn't like him and wants Burke or McLemore.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Tough turnaround for The Knicks, from that emotionally draining Game 6 versus Boston to Game 1 against Indiana in a day and a half

I think Indiana wins this series, but I think it will go 6 or 7

The best thing about this playoffs for a Knicks fan is the emergence of Iman Shumpert. He's been great

 

[Balco]

I can't believe Burke is being considered a top 3 pick by many. I just don't see it. Someone needs to explain his high ranking. Is it just a very bad draft?

If I am a horrendous team, I take Noel, and sit him for the majority of the year while he recovers, and then secure another top 3 pick.

 

[biggamer3]

Melo continuing his great HeroBall tradition in the postseason for the Knicks.

2010: .375 on 22 FGA/game

2011: .419 on 25 FGA/game

2012: .378 on 27 FGA/game

nothing better than emotional Knick fans defending their star with no logic. I posted those stats on a Knicks message board, here is one of the replies

I hate when people put up those stats when Melo was basically playing his life out...… and was the lone people who can shoot consistently then got worn out by Game 3-4.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Melo looked fantastic today. Remember when some on this board suggested he was a liability?

Update?

 

[Abraham]

Melo looked fantastic today. Remember when some on this board suggested he was a liability?

Update?

Second most first place MVP votes, cliff.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Melo looked fantastic today. Remember when some on this board suggested he was a liability?

Update?

Second most first place MVP votes, cliff.

Lemme guess, he'll be on the all defense team with Kobe?

 

[CurlyNight]

Duane Wade will be on Tanked tonight, 7 PT. He's having them do a tank for the unveiling of his new sneaker line.

 

[Abraham]

Melo looked fantastic today. Remember when some on this board suggested he was a liability?

Update?

Second most first place MVP votes, cliff.

Lemme guess, he'll be on the all defense team with Kobe?

I actually think his third place finish is well deserved. He and paul are easily 3 and 4 in some order. But a first place vote is insane.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Melo looked fantastic today. Remember when some on this board suggested he was a liability?

Update?

Second most first place MVP votes, cliff.

Lemme guess, he'll be on the all defense team with Kobe?

I actually think his third place finish is well deserved. He and paul are easily 3 and 4 in some order. But a first place vote is insane.

Nah. Parker, Duncan, Paul, Westbrook and Harden should all for sure been ahead of him. Probably a good argument for a few others.

 

[Abraham]

Actually, I agree on Parker and Duncan.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Actually, I agree on Parker and Duncan.

And not Harden!?!? Houston rivals the Bobcats for last place this year without him.

 

[biggamer3]

Melo looked fantastic today. Remember when some on this board suggested he was a liability?

Update?

Second most first place MVP votes, cliff.

Lemme guess, he'll be on the all defense team with Kobe?

I actually think his third place finish is well deserved. He and paul are easily 3 and 4 in some order. But a first place vote is insane.

Nah. Parker, Duncan, Paul, Westbrook and Harden should all for sure been ahead of him. Probably a good argument for a few others.

As much as i rip on Melo, he for sure adds like 20 wins to this Knicks team. Without him they would be Raptors bad. You believe this lineup would have come close to 54 games?

A team of

Chandler

Kenyon

Shump

JR

Felton

Kidd

Prigioni

Novak

 

[biggamer3]

JR is a free agent this offseason, what do you guys think he can get if he wants the most money possible and from whom?

 

[Encyclopedia Brown]

PJ was likely getting fired even had they advanced. Fans hated him, apparently the upper management hated him because he was too stubborn

Watching "The Association" I always got the sense that PJ did not really want the job, but took it because he would have been fired otherwise. Even when they got off to that great start--including a fantastic West Coast road trip--he never seemed enthused. It seemed that it was combination of him feeling a little too old, too tired for the position, and that he knew he had a flawed team that was good at beating the league doormats but could not possibly compete with the elite.

 

[Abraham]

JR is a free agent this offseason, what do you guys think he can get if he wants the most money possible and from whom?

Wolves or cavs. 3/42

 

[scoobus]

JR is a free agent this offseason, what do you guys think he can get if he wants the most money possible and from whom?

Wolves or cavs. 3/42

Hell no, stop proposing crappy contracts for the Cavs.

 

[Abraham]

They have to spend money.

 

[scoobus]

They have to spend money.

Not on terrible contracts.

Also just realized who I was talking to, go join the ####### league!

 

[Britney Spears]

Kevin Martin too.

No.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Melo looked fantastic today. Remember when some on this board suggested he was a liability?

Update?

Quite possibly the worst bump in FFA history.

 

[Britney Spears]

This is cracking me up:

https://mobile.twitter.com/JoseCanseco/status/330928934839521280

 

[got_nugs]

I read on spacebook today- Melo missed 18 shots today. Lebron missed 22 the entire 1st round.

Guy is fools gold.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

I read on spacebook today- Melo missed 18 shots today. Lebron missed 22 the entire 1st round.

Guy is fools gold.

This might have something to do with that: https://twitter.com/jacobsudek/status/331257808270004224/photo/1

 

[got_nugs]

I read on spacebook today- Melo missed 18 shots today. Lebron missed 22 the entire 1st round.

Guy is fools gold.

This might have something to do with that: https://twitter.com/jacobsudek/status/331257808270004224/photo/1

Love that guy.

 

[Raider Nation]

There's no point in complaining about it. Melo is a volume shooter and that's never going to change.

Also, Matthew Stafford passes too much.

 

[got_nugs]

There's no point in complaining about it. Melo is a volume shooter and that's never going to change.

Also, Matthew Stafford passes too much.

What would YOU do if you had Calvin, 1 on 1?

Also, I ever tell you I work out with Mario Henderson? Talk about a big dude.

 

[Raider Nation]

Also, I ever tell you I work out with Mario Henderson? Talk about a big dude.

Tell him I said he sucks.But don't give him my address.