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*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (5 Viewers)

Cliff Clavin said:
Abraham said:
Actually, I agree on Parker and Duncan.
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And not Harden!?!? Houston rivals the Bobcats for last place this year without him.
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Without Hardin the rockets would have fielded a team that basically traded dragix/ Lowry for Lin and dalembert/Scola for Asik. That team finished 2 games over .500 so while harden certainly improved the squad, they were positively average before he came along. I know you think the dropoff from dragic to Lin is steep but I doubt it's that steep.Eta: starters would have been...LinMartinParsonsPattersonAsik
 
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Abraham said:
Cliff Clavin said:
Abraham said:
Actually, I agree on Parker and Duncan.
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And not Harden!?!? Houston rivals the Bobcats for last place this year without him.
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Without Hardin the rockets would have fielded a team that basically traded dragix/ Lowry for Lin and dalembert/Scola for Asik. That team finished 2 games over .500 so while harden certainly improved the squad, they were positively average before he came along. I know you think the dropoff from dragic to Lin is steep but I doubt it's that steep.Eta: starters would have been...LinMartinParsonsPattersonAsik
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Dead last was a little much but that lineup doesn't sniff the playoffs and isn't a .500 team.

 
Apparently Denver has a sports writer, who happens to be the worst columnist in the state, who gets paid to make up Abe like trade ideas.

His proposal to improve the Nuggets, just trade Gallo and Koufos for Kevin Love, easy as that. Then move Faried over to small forward where he'll start, never mind that he can dribble, shoot or defend perimeter players. Of course in the comments, the brilliant people of Colorado think that Gallo might be a little too much and we should probably swap Chandler instead.

 
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Cliff Clavin said:
Cliff Clavin, on 06 May 2013 - 07:45, said:

Abraham said:
Abraham, on 06 May 2013 - 06:23, said:

Cliff Clavin said:
Cliff Clavin, on 05 May 2013 - 19:38, said:

Abraham said:
Abraham, on 05 May 2013 - 19:34, said:Actually, I agree on Parker and Duncan.
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And not Harden!?!? Houston rivals the Bobcats for last place this year without him.
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Without Hardin the rockets would have fielded a team that basically traded dragix/ Lowry for Lin and dalembert/Scola for Asik. That team finished 2 games over .500 so while harden certainly improved the squad, they were positively average before he came along. I know you think the dropoff from dragic to Lin is steep but I doubt it's that steep.Eta: starters would have been...LinMartinParsonsPattersonAsik
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Dead last was a little much but that lineup doesn't sniff the playoffs and isn't a .500 team.
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They would have been fighting the likes of the Jazz and Blazers for the 8th seed. Not a sure thing they would be making the playoffs, but I would think they would have been in the race for that last spot until the end of the season.
 
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Wade playing. Deng out. Hinrich doubtful. What is the Bulls' chance of winning tonight? 5%?
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With Noah roaming the paint anything is possible. Depends on how well Boozer shoots and how much Butler can slow LeBron down....he'll get his 25/8/8 but if Butler can limit him to that and Belinelli can handle himself against a hobbled Wade then who knows.....

This series is going to be very physical though.

 
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'TobiasFunke said:
'Dought Man said:
Lets wait til the playoff seedings are made. Would be silly to make a bet now, as injuries/trades can still happen. I just don't see this Miami team being able to magically turn it on in the playoffs and beat the Bulls or Indy in round 2. This playing without a true big will come back to bite them. I don't think Bron can repeat what he did last playoffs.
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So if there's no big trades/injuries to Miami, you're up for a wager? Or is it also dependent on them facing either Chicago or current #3 seed Indiana in Round 2? Are all bets off if they draw Brooklyn, Boston or New York in Round 2?Just trying to figure out exactly how far back you're walking your prediction.
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If there are no big injuries or trades, I'd be willing to bet against Miami against NY, Indy, Boston and Chicago in round 2.
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Found it. Paging Dought Man.

Unfortunately, I consider the injury to Deng to be a "big injury," so he's off the hook here. And if the Heat advance the next round technically won't be "round 2." I guess it's up to him whether he's willing to keep the spirit of the offer or get out on a technicality at that point.

 
TobiasFunke said:
Dought Man said:
'TobiasFunke said:
'Dought Man said:
Lets wait til the playoff seedings are made. Would be silly to make a bet now, as injuries/trades can still happen. I just don't see this Miami team being able to magically turn it on in the playoffs and beat the Bulls or Indy in round 2. This playing without a true big will come back to bite them. I don't think Bron can repeat what he did last playoffs.
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So if there's no big trades/injuries to Miami, you're up for a wager? Or is it also dependent on them facing either Chicago or current #3 seed Indiana in Round 2? Are all bets off if they draw Brooklyn, Boston or New York in Round 2?Just trying to figure out exactly how far back you're walking your prediction.
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If there are no big injuries or trades, I'd be willing to bet against Miami against NY, Indy, Boston and Chicago in round 2.
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Found it. Paging Dought Man.

Unfortunately, I consider the injury to Deng to be a "big injury," so he's off the hook here. And if the Heat advance the next round technically won't be "round 2." I guess it's up to him whether he's willing to keep the spirit of the offer or get out on a technicality at that point.
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Also the assumption in January was that Rose would be back. That could also be considered an injury. He probably should honor a bet for the ECF, however.

 
TobiasFunke said:
TobiasFunke, on 06 May 2013 - 09:08, said:

Dought Man said:
Dought Man, on 16 Jan 2013 - 14:36, said:

'TobiasFunke', on 15 Jan 2013 - 11:51, said:

'Dought Man', on 15 Jan 2013 - 11:45, said:Lets wait til the playoff seedings are made. Would be silly to make a bet now, as injuries/trades can still happen. I just don't see this Miami team being able to magically turn it on in the playoffs and beat the Bulls or Indy in round 2. This playing without a true big will come back to bite them. I don't think Bron can repeat what he did last playoffs.
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So if there's no big trades/injuries to Miami, you're up for a wager? Or is it also dependent on them facing either Chicago or current #3 seed Indiana in Round 2? Are all bets off if they draw Brooklyn, Boston or New York in Round 2?Just trying to figure out exactly how far back you're walking your prediction.
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If there are no big injuries or trades, I'd be willing to bet against Miami against NY, Indy, Boston and Chicago in round 2.
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Found it. Paging Dought Man. Unfortunately, I consider the injury to Deng to be a "big injury," so he's off the hook here. And if the Heat advance the next round technically won't be "round 2." I guess it's up to him whether he's willing to keep the spirit of the offer or get out on a technicality at that point.
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:lmao: Heat went 42-4 after his post, but they won't be able "magically turn it on". "Lebron won't be able to duplicate what he did last year".....then he goes on in February to have one of the best months in NBA history (shooting 64% and 30/8/8).
 
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You should see the rockets board about trades. It makes me look calm and measured. Like how some fans would take love on the team but not of it cost us Greg smith AND Patrick Beverly. One or the other, but not both!

 
Big props to how PJ handled this. He understands this roster and situation is flawed.

They're not going to get better the next 3 years hamstrung with terrible contracts and players on the decline. Many coaches won't be so candid about it. He recognizes you aren't going to change the way these guys that've gotten paid play. You don't suddenly instill heart into them.

Carlesimo went 35-19 after replacing Avery Johnson
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"Philosophically, I think Billy and the organization wanted someone that they felt was more in line with their thoughts and the way they felt about the roster and the whole situation going forward," Carlesimo said on ESPN Radio's "The Herd with Colin Cowherd."
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When I placed my NBA MVP vote a few weeks ago, I knew I would be in the minority. I knew LeBron James was the prohibitive favorite to win his fourth award because he unquestionably is the best player in the game.
I voted for Carmelo Anthony based on his importance to the New York Knicks, who, if you haven’t been paying attention the past decade, have failed to be relevant.
When the voting was announced Sunday afternoon, I was flabbergasted to learn I was the lone voter among 121 to not give LeBron a first-place vote, truly believing Anthony, Kevin Durant, Chris Paul, and perhaps even Kobe Bryant would snag a first-place vote or two
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the moops said:
When I placed my NBA MVP vote a few weeks ago, I knew I would be in the minority. I knew LeBron James was the prohibitive favorite to win his fourth award because he unquestionably is the best player in the game.
I voted for Carmelo Anthony based on his importance to the New York Knicks, who, if you haven’t been paying attention the past decade, have failed to be relevant.
When the voting was announced Sunday afternoon, I was flabbergasted to learn I was the lone voter among 121 to not give LeBron a first-place vote, truly believing Anthony, Kevin Durant, Chris Paul, and perhaps even Kobe Bryant would snag a first-place vote or two
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Translation: I am a dope and just wanted everyone to know who I was.

Ultimately, it is not a big deal at all - LBJ still won - but this guy's rationale was stupid. Making a team that has been bad lately very good does not make you the MVP of the league. It is that kind of stupid thinking that gets NFL coaches Coach of the Year awards for taking their teams from 3-13 to 10-6 while overlooking coaches whose teams are that good every year.

 
That's an awful explanation. No one on planet earth could make a case that Kobe Bryant was somehow the league's most valuable player. And dragging the Knicks to "relevance" with a record that would have been good for 6th in the west is hardly a crowning achievement.

 
Britney Spears said:
thecatch said:
Britney Spears said:
Abraham said:
Kevin Martin too.
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No.
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Really? Martin was fantastic yesterday.
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Seems pretty crummy normally.
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He hasn't been crummy since his rookie year. I think he has struggled to find his role with OKC this year (first time coming off the bench, plays with two dominant isolation scorers) but he is a very good scorer who is unfairly maligned because of who he was traded for last offseason.
 
Hoping this is the choice for the Nets.

In an interview with Comcast Sports Net Northwest in Portland, Deron Williams old coach, Jerry Sloan says he would listen if the Nets call ed him about the head coaching job.

"I'm open, I would listen," Sloan told CSNNW.com via phone. "I haven't done the research on their roster, but I would definitely listen if they called."

Williams said Sunday that he would welcome playing for "Coach Sloan" again if the Nets chose him.
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Ghost Rider said:
the moops said:
When I placed my NBA MVP vote a few weeks ago, I knew I would be in the minority. I knew LeBron James was the prohibitive favorite to win his fourth award because he unquestionably is the best player in the game.
I voted for Carmelo Anthony based on his importance to the New York Knicks, who, if you haven’t been paying attention the past decade, have failed to be relevant.
When the voting was announced Sunday afternoon, I was flabbergasted to learn I was the lone voter among 121 to not give LeBron a first-place vote, truly believing Anthony, Kevin Durant, Chris Paul, and perhaps even Kobe Bryant would snag a first-place vote or two
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Translation: I am a dope and just wanted everyone to know who I was.

Ultimately, it is not a big deal at all - LBJ still won - but this guy's rationale was stupid. Making a team that has been bad lately very good does not make you the MVP of the league. It is that kind of stupid thinking that gets NFL coaches Coach of the Year awards for taking their teams from 3-13 to 10-6 while overlooking coaches whose teams are that good every year.
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:goodposting:

To review: Carmelo Anthony is his MVP because Patrick Ewing got old and Allen Houston, Eddy Curry and Stephon Marbury sucked. Also because of the random assignment of teams to divisions. Genius.

Agree on the coach of the year thing too. Although that's not nearly as bad as college coach of the year, where coaches often don't win it because they're too good at recruiting. "You're not the coach of the year- you're too good at your job!"

 
trader jake said:
Game 1: Not surprisingly, Chicago looks like a team missing starters and Miami can't shake off the rustHorrible 1st half so far.
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Just horrible that Miami came out with no energy and Chicago after going to Game 7, missing about 3-4 starters tonight, Heat having to claw for everything, LBJ with 2 points thus far after he is named MVP. Rough start for the Heat.

 
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Chicago Bulls point guard Derrick Rose said Thursday he still doesn't have a return date in mind, despite the fact less than a month remains in the regular season."It could be tomorrow and I feel like I could play the next game," said Rose, who tore the anterior cruciate ligament in his knee during the playoffs last year. "Nobody knows but God."Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau said Rose was most likely out for Thursday night's game against the Portland Trail Blazers.Rose said in a February interview with USA Today that he was in the "high 80s" as far as being back to 100 percent healthy, but he did not want to put a percentage on his health after Thursday's shootaround."I really don't know right now," Rose said. "I don't want to place no percentage on it, but I just know that I'm close and I'm taking every day serious and just becoming a professional."
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The Bulls should withhold his salary. I'm sure everyone in the league is playing at 100% right now. :rolleyes:Maybe he can play in bubble wrap. And after the games, someone can feed him so that he doesn't cut himself with a knife.
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VERY best case, if he returns tomorrow is they slide into the 2nd or 3rd spot and get crushed by Miami in the conference finals. Somewhat possible worst case, he either over compensates or he really isn't 100% percent and they are without him for some of next year and he's never close to the same. The more likely middle ground is he comes back, plays 25 mpg for the rest of the year and plays at a decent but not good rate, they finish 5th or 6th and get bounced in the first.Really, If he isn't sure of himself, let him sit. #### it. Retool in the offseason and try again next year when Miami isn't rolling through the East.
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Maybe now we can put to bed this "Well, they weren't beating Miami anyway" argument?If the guy had any sack whatsoever, they are up by 8-10 right now with him playing.
 
Only watched the last two minutes but LeBron looks gassed - walking up the floor on defense on the last couple of possessions during crunch time, lazy isolation moves on offense. Wonder if they just didn't have their legs following the long layoff.

 
Unreal performance by these Bulls. The most intensity and heart I've seen from a team in a long long time. It's every single game. They absolutely humiliated NJ in Game 7 outhustling them. And 2 days later, go into Miami and outwork them too. Down 3 starters (2 All Stars)

immy Butler played Lebron James head-2-head as well as anyone this season.

And Nate Robinson outplaying Dwayne Wade.

Nate Robinson has been a savior for the Bulls. Perfect situation where he can have the freedom to do his thing.

 
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Big win for the Bulls, but how stupid is Bosh? Late in the game, he had Noah in the air, and instead of leaning into him to get two foul shots and give Noah his 6th, he ducks out of the way and takes an awful shot which misses badly.

 
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Only watched the last two minutes but LeBron looks gassed - walking up the floor on defense on the last couple of possessions during crunch time, lazy isolation moves on offense. Wonder if they just didn't have their legs following the long layoff.
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The Bulls were absolutely beating the crap out of him for most of the game. No way he had much energy left.
 
It will be interesting to see if any team will show Nate the money this offseason. He has his faults, of course, but has so much talent.

 
Britney Spears said:
thecatch said:
Only watched the last two minutes but LeBron looks gassed - walking up the floor on defense on the last couple of possessions during crunch time, lazy isolation moves on offense. Wonder if they just didn't have their legs following the long layoff.
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The Bulls were absolutely beating the crap out of him for most of the game. No way he had much energy left.
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You would think he would have more energy than the 48 minute a game the last three games Butler. What that kid is doing is unbelievable.

 
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Big win for the Bulls, but how stupid is Bosh? Late in the game, he had Noah in the air, and instead of leaning into him to get two foul shots and give Noah his 6th, he ducks out of the way and takes an awful shot which misses badly.
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Bosh was invisible all game. The guy is the definition of soft.Miami will still win the series. The refs will make sure of that. Bet Noah fouls out in the 3rd quarter next game. And I loathe Dwayne Wade. What a gigantic whiner. It's unbelievable how the ref a let him get away with it and don't hand him way more technicals for all his whining and yelling at them. So much for the NBA cutting down on that.
 
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