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thecatch said:
I like Monroe but he can't defend
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Yeah, I probably should have left that out. He's pretty poor outside of playing man D though the Pistons were better with him on the floor this year. Not totally unexpected for a young big. IMO his floor is something like Al Jefferson.

 
Cliff Clavin said:
thecatch said:
I like Monroe but he can't defend
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Yeah, I probably should have left that out. He's pretty poor outside of playing man D though the Pistons were better with him on the floor this year. Not totally unexpected for a young big. IMO his floor is something like Al Jefferson.
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I like Aldridge better than Monroe not factoring in contract. Monroe is a better passer, but Aldridge is a more complete scorer and that carries more weight. Then you get on the defensive end and while LA isn't a great defender, he's adequate compared to Monroe who is a terrible PnR defender in a PnR league due to his limited athleticism.

 
Cliff Clavin said:
Frostillicus said:
Cliff Clavin said:
Frostillicus said:
Gordon and Greg Monroe to the Blazers

Aldridge to the Rockets

Asik, Jones, and Villanueva (expiring) to the Pelicans

Lin and Ryan Anderson to the Pistons

And like, a pick or two going Detroit's way as well.
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Bad deal for the Pistons IMO.

To start with, Monroe >> Aldridge. And of course Lin is terrible.
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I used them because don't they need a forward who can shoot (Anderson) and a point guard better than Knight (Lin if they think so not saying I do please don't yell at me)? Maybe a bunch of picks come their way?
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I'm pretty high on Monroe and think he is the best player in that entire package. A 23 year old big already averaging 15/10, can pass, rebound and defend. If he improves his scoring efficiency he's one of the best bigs in the league. Lin is useless so it is essentially Anderson + picks for Monroe. Anderson is a very good complimentary player but Monroe could develop into a franchise guy. If you think you can land a high lotto pick for next year, maybe you do it but that'd be a big gamble IMO.
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Monroe can't defend. In fact, he's not a bad defender...he's a terrible one. It's the big reason they're considering moving him.

 
No. 16 said:
Cliff Clavin said:
thecatch said:
I like Monroe but he can't defend
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Yeah, I probably should have left that out. He's pretty poor outside of playing man D though the Pistons were better with him on the floor this year. Not totally unexpected for a young big. IMO his floor is something like Al Jefferson.
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I like Aldridge better than Monroe not factoring in contract. Monroe is a better passer, but Aldridge is a more complete scorer and that carries more weight. Then you get on the defensive end and while LA isn't a great defender, he's adequate compared to Monroe who is a terrible PnR defender in a PnR league due to his limited athleticism.
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Right now it would be tough to argue that Monroe is better but when you factor in that Monroe (22) is improving and Aldridge (28) is peaking, Monroe is the player for Detroit IMO.

 
Just so you people know I'm not nuts, there are some on the Celtics board acting like Wallace for Asik is a fair deal for Houston.

 
Actually, I was trying to be humorous but I think you are right. "No thanks, but we have a counter. Would you consider taking Rondo off our hands? Just send back Aaron brooks and that Royce white fellow and we will call it even..."

 
Cliff Clavin said:
No. 16 said:
Cliff Clavin said:
thecatch said:
I like Monroe but he can't defend
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Yeah, I probably should have left that out. He's pretty poor outside of playing man D though the Pistons were better with him on the floor this year. Not totally unexpected for a young big. IMO his floor is something like Al Jefferson.
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I like Aldridge better than Monroe not factoring in contract. Monroe is a better passer, but Aldridge is a more complete scorer and that carries more weight. Then you get on the defensive end and while LA isn't a great defender, he's adequate compared to Monroe who is a terrible PnR defender in a PnR league due to his limited athleticism.
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Right now it would be tough to argue that Monroe is better but when you factor in that Monroe (22) is improving and Aldridge (28) is peaking, Monroe is the player for Detroit IMO.
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I question just how good Monroe can become. He's fairly polished for a big man on the offensive end. He's lacking a mid-range jumper and his post game is so-so. The mid-range shooting should improve, but I'm of the belief that it's hard for big men to significantly improve their post game in the NBA sort of like how it's hard for an NBA guard to improve his dribbling.

His lack of athleticism is what really limits his upside for me.

 
I think Al Jeff is a really good parallel to draw.

I also think that incomplete players like them, or say Kevin Love, make very good pieces if the rest of your puzzle is well designed. But without very careful work by both coach and GM, players like this can cripple a franchise.

I really admire good coaches and GM's who work through these problems and successfully build winners rather than playing fantasy ball with somebody else's money.

 
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Man of Zen said:
I don't really know what to make of Aldridge, though I don't blame him or his agent or the Blazers for trying to sell him as a top-tier star type player.

His stats look good on paper, but on the court, he never seems like a difference maker to me. I also don't think there's any wow factor to him that demands a premium for whatever boost he could conceivably bring to the fans or media.

At the same time, he might be the most complete PF package in the league right now, if by "complete" you're willing to accept some element of age. In the sense that you couldn't build around a Tim Duncan. Seems like all the PF's today are old, or a headcase, or undersized, or woefully incomplete as a player.
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I'd say you can build around Tim Duncan.

 
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Man of Zen said:
I don't really know what to make of Aldridge, though I don't blame him or his agent or the Blazers for trying to sell him as a top-tier star type player.

His stats look good on paper, but on the court, he never seems like a difference maker to me. I also don't think there's any wow factor to him that demands a premium for whatever boost he could conceivably bring to the fans or media.

At the same time, he might be the most complete PF package in the league right now, if by "complete" you're willing to accept some element of age. In the sense that you couldn't build around a Tim Duncan. Seems like all the PF's today are old, or a headcase, or undersized, or woefully incomplete as a player.
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I'd say you can build around Tim Duncan.
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I think he's still good enough, but I'm not sure there's ever been a team that was successful designing its future based around the assumption a 37 y.o. would continue at a high level long enough to see it through. Maybe I'm wrong about that. :shrug:

 
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Nate Robinson to the Nugs. 2 years/???

ETA: Bi-annual, so it looks like $2M per. Guess his playoff performance didn't fetch him the big payday like some thought.

 
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Cliff Clavin said:
Nate Robinson to the Nugs. 2 years/???

ETA: Bi-annual, so it looks like $2M per. Guess his playoff performance didn't fetch him the big payday like some thought.
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Hopefully that means the end of Andre Miller.

The Nuggets might be the worst defensive team in the NBA this year. The only guys they have on their team that are plus defenders are Foye, Gallo (coming off a knee surgery he'll probably be a liability) and Chandler. I see a lot of 115-110 games in their future.

Similarly to the Hickson signing, by itself this is a good signing for a cheap price, but I don't see how Robinson fits with the team. At least the Nuggets have a decent shooting backcourt now with Lawson, Robinson, Foye, Fornier and Hamilton.

 
Kev4029 said:
Cliff Clavin said:
Nate Robinson to the Nugs. 2 years/???

ETA: Bi-annual, so it looks like $2M per. Guess his playoff performance didn't fetch him the big payday like some thought.
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Hopefully that means the end of Andre Miller.

The Nuggets might be the worst defensive team in the NBA this year. The only guys they have on their team that are plus defenders are Foye, Gallo (coming off a knee surgery he'll probably be a liability) and Chandler. I see a lot of 115-110 games in their future.

Similarly to the Hickson signing, by itself this is a good signing for a cheap price, but I don't see how Robinson fits with the team. At least the Nuggets have a decent shooting backcourt now with Lawson, Robinson, Foye, Fornier and Hamilton.
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Isn't Miller signed for next year? Or do you mean that he'll fall to 3rd string?

As a Bulls fan, I'm going to miss Nate but it was clear that the Bulls didn't really want him back.

 
Juxtatarot said:
Kev4029 said:
Cliff Clavin said:
Nate Robinson to the Nugs. 2 years/???

ETA: Bi-annual, so it looks like $2M per. Guess his playoff performance didn't fetch him the big payday like some thought.
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Hopefully that means the end of Andre Miller.

The Nuggets might be the worst defensive team in the NBA this year. The only guys they have on their team that are plus defenders are Foye, Gallo (coming off a knee surgery he'll probably be a liability) and Chandler. I see a lot of 115-110 games in their future.

Similarly to the Hickson signing, by itself this is a good signing for a cheap price, but I don't see how Robinson fits with the team. At least the Nuggets have a decent shooting backcourt now with Lawson, Robinson, Foye, Fornier and Hamilton.
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Isn't Miller signed for next year? Or do you mean that he'll fall to 3rd string?

As a Bulls fan, I'm going to miss Nate but it was clear that the Bulls didn't really want him back.
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Same happened with the Warriors. Loved him on our team, but the Dubs opted to let him go and trade for Jack (a smart choice).

I'm just happy for Nate, b/c he's been only making the vet minimum the past 2-3 years and struggling to latch onto a team. He's easily worth 2 million and honestly I still think that's underpaying him some. He's perfect as a 6th man and he always plays hard.

 
Juxtatarot said:
Kev4029 said:
Cliff Clavin said:
Nate Robinson to the Nugs. 2 years/???

ETA: Bi-annual, so it looks like $2M per. Guess his playoff performance didn't fetch him the big payday like some thought.
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Hopefully that means the end of Andre Miller.

The Nuggets might be the worst defensive team in the NBA this year. The only guys they have on their team that are plus defenders are Foye, Gallo (coming off a knee surgery he'll probably be a liability) and Chandler. I see a lot of 115-110 games in their future.

Similarly to the Hickson signing, by itself this is a good signing for a cheap price, but I don't see how Robinson fits with the team. At least the Nuggets have a decent shooting backcourt now with Lawson, Robinson, Foye, Fornier and Hamilton.
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Isn't Miller signed for next year? Or do you mean that he'll fall to 3rd string?

As a Bulls fan, I'm going to miss Nate but it was clear that the Bulls didn't really want him back.
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I think they'll make a big push to trade Miller.

 
It is a little surprising that a guy like Robinson has been floating around for min money for the last few years. I imagine that ha to do with the fact that he's really a one note player. But even as a second or even third guard odd the bench he is clearly worth more than the min.

 
i hope that jennings goes somewhere elese he is a cancer always have to have the ball and shoots to much cannot defend why give him big money i have no idea take that to the bank brohans

 
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