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tommyGunZ
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Just tried this - they play a 30 second ad before each shot when you click on a player? Any way for me to block these ads? Otherwise it makes it pretty much useless.
sports_fan
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Adblock Plus will get rid of them.Just tried this - they play a 30 second ad before each shot when you click on a player? Any way for me to block these ads? Otherwise it makes it pretty much useless.
tommyGunZ
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They got a guy who's worth what, $75M per year to the franchise to take a 20% pay cut from 31M to 24M.
I thought it would be more.
tommyGunZ
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Ministry of Pain
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGjaBmFZhl8
Anyone that has not seen "The Doctor" should watch this. The pictures of Julius Erving playing in harlem with kids sitting on the school roof and bridges around the court, you will never see that kind of stuff again. Different time but those shots look like they would make one helluva good Hollywood movie set in the early 70s.
NCAA at the time prohibited dunking…think about that. The story about Rucker Court was just astonishing and the history lesson of the ABA.
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sports_fan
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He'll only be making slightly more than Duncan and Tony Parker combined. bargainThey got a guy who's worth what, $75M per year to the franchise to take a 20% pay cut from 31M to 24M.
I thought it would be more.
Premier
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Better than Dwight did for the Lakers.I haven't checked the boxes yet - how did VO look yesterday?Lakers
At least you guys will have plenty of cap room, young talent and draft picks to rebuild like we do.
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tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Parker and Duncan's stupidity shouldn't effect Kobe's decision.He'll only be making slightly more than Duncan and Tony Parker combined. bargainThey got a guy who's worth what, $75M per year to the franchise to take a 20% pay cut from 31M to 24M.
I thought it would be more.
And lets be honest, Kobe has far more leverage than either of those two have with the Spurs.
Abraham
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Sure, the franchise will bank with him in their uniform. Good for the lakers. But Kobe isn't winning another ring. Not to say he would have had he taken a 12 mil deal but this slams the door shut for sure.Parker and Duncan's stupidity shouldn't effect Kobe's decision.He'll only be making slightly more than Duncan and Tony Parker combined. bargainThey got a guy who's worth what, $75M per year to the franchise to take a 20% pay cut from 31M to 24M.
I thought it would be more.
And lets be honest, Kobe has far more leverage than either of those two have with the Spurs.
tommyGunZ
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Dwight's +/- for the Lakers yesterday: 0Better than Dwight did for the Lakers.I haven't checked the boxes yet - how did VO look yesterday?Lakers
At least you guys will have plenty of cap room, young talent and draft picks to rebuild like we do.
VO's +/- for the Magic yesterday: -8
In fairness, VO was defended by noted ball hawk Gerald Green yesterday.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Same thing virtually everyone on this board said in '04 when Shaq was dealt.Sure, the franchise will bank with him in their uniform. Good for the lakers. But Kobe isn't winning another ring. Not to say he would have had he taken a 12 mil deal but this slams the door shut for sure.Parker and Duncan's stupidity shouldn't effect Kobe's decision.He'll only be making slightly more than Duncan and Tony Parker combined. bargainThey got a guy who's worth what, $75M per year to the franchise to take a 20% pay cut from 31M to 24M.
I thought it would be more.
And lets be honest, Kobe has far more leverage than either of those two have with the Spurs.
Cliff Clavin
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I guess I should have said the basketball side of the franchise is crippled till 2016. The Buss' are still going to rake in the cash. Congrats to Laker fans?They got a guy who's worth what, $75M per year to the franchise to take a 20% pay cut from 31M to 24M.
I thought it would be more.
tommyGunZ
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Well there's that, and the fact that when the Buss' make big dough, they are also more willing to pay the luxury tax. And I'm guessing there were discussions with Kobe and assurances made that they are going to spend big dough to reload in the off season.I guess I should have said the basketball side of the franchise is crippled till 2016. The Buss' are still going to rake in the cash. Congrats to Laker fans?They got a guy who's worth what, $75M per year to the franchise to take a 20% pay cut from 31M to 24M.
I thought it would be more.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Are you honestly happy about this extension? Honestly.Well there's that, and the fact that when the Buss' make big dough, they are also more willing to pay the luxury tax. And I'm guessing there were discussions with Kobe and assurances made that they are going to spend big dough to reload in the off season.I guess I should have said the basketball side of the franchise is crippled till 2016. The Buss' are still going to rake in the cash. Congrats to Laker fans?They got a guy who's worth what, $75M per year to the franchise to take a 20% pay cut from 31M to 24M.
I thought it would be more.
Honestly.
Sammy3469
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FWIW, Coon seems to believe this opens them up to sign a max level player this year assuming they renounce all the other FAs. Not saying this is a good contract, but 2 years isn't the end of the world.I guess I should have said the basketball side of the franchise is crippled till 2016. The Buss' are still going to rake in the cash. Congrats to Laker fans?They got a guy who's worth what, $75M per year to the franchise to take a 20% pay cut from 31M to 24M.
I thought it would be more.
http://cbafaq.com/blog/?p=286
the moops
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If it wasn't for the pesky salary cap you would have a point.Well there's that, and the fact that when the Buss' make big dough, they are also more willing to pay the luxury tax. And I'm guessing there were discussions with Kobe and assurances made that they are going to spend big dough to reload in the off season.I guess I should have said the basketball side of the franchise is crippled till 2016. The Buss' are still going to rake in the cash. Congrats to Laker fans?They got a guy who's worth what, $75M per year to the franchise to take a 20% pay cut from 31M to 24M.
I thought it would be more.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
They'd have to gut their team to get a max guy in. And even then, is Carmelo + Kobe and a bunch of scrubs getting anywhere in the West? I can't see it.FWIW, Coon seems to believe this opens them up to sign a max level player this year assuming they renounce all the other FAs. Not saying this is a good contract, but 2 years isn't the end of the world.I guess I should have said the basketball side of the franchise is crippled till 2016. The Buss' are still going to rake in the cash. Congrats to Laker fans?They got a guy who's worth what, $75M per year to the franchise to take a 20% pay cut from 31M to 24M.
I thought it would be more.
http://cbafaq.com/blog/?p=286
Gr00vus
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I'd like to believe this means they've realized there won't be anyone on the market worth paying a max contract to this offseason and they're targeting the 2015 FA class, when Nash will be off the books for certain. I'd like to believe that...They'd have to gut their team to get a max guy in. And even then, is Carmelo + Kobe and a bunch of scrubs getting anywhere in the West? I can't see it.FWIW, Coon seems to believe this opens them up to sign a max level player this year assuming they renounce all the other FAs. Not saying this is a good contract, but 2 years isn't the end of the world.I guess I should have said the basketball side of the franchise is crippled till 2016. The Buss' are still going to rake in the cash. Congrats to Laker fans?They got a guy who's worth what, $75M per year to the franchise to take a 20% pay cut from 31M to 24M.
I thought it would be more.
http://cbafaq.com/blog/?p=286
General Malaise
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BLAZERS GOING FOR 11 IN A ROW!!!! 
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
FWIW (hopefully nothing), a two year deal still frees them up by the time the next megastar on the good side of 30 hits free agency.
JMon348
Footballguy
This is exactly it, you hit the nail on the head.I'd like to believe this means they've realized there won't be anyone on the market worth paying a max contract to this offseason and they're targeting the 2015 FA class, when Nash will be off the books for certain. I'd like to believe that...They'd have to gut their team to get a max guy in. And even then, is Carmelo + Kobe and a bunch of scrubs getting anywhere in the West? I can't see it.FWIW, Coon seems to believe this opens them up to sign a max level player this year assuming they renounce all the other FAs. Not saying this is a good contract, but 2 years isn't the end of the world.I guess I should have said the basketball side of the franchise is crippled till 2016. The Buss' are still going to rake in the cash. Congrats to Laker fans?They got a guy who's worth what, $75M per year to the franchise to take a 20% pay cut from 31M to 24M.
I thought it would be more.
http://cbafaq.com/blog/?p=286
They knew Lebron is a pipe dream, and they know Melo is a terrible fit. This years FA class was way overrated.
Mitch knows what he's doing.
Sammy3469
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Well I highly doubt they sign Melo anyway (I think this is more towards 2015-6 FA class), but before this they would have had a cap hold on Kobe's contract and wouldn't have been able to do anything without renouncing him (which they weren't going to do).They'd have to gut their team to get a max guy in. And even then, is Carmelo + Kobe and a bunch of scrubs getting anywhere in the West? I can't see it.FWIW, Coon seems to believe this opens them up to sign a max level player this year assuming they renounce all the other FAs. Not saying this is a good contract, but 2 years isn't the end of the world.I guess I should have said the basketball side of the franchise is crippled till 2016. The Buss' are still going to rake in the cash. Congrats to Laker fans?They got a guy who's worth what, $75M per year to the franchise to take a 20% pay cut from 31M to 24M.
I thought it would be more.
http://cbafaq.com/blog/?p=286
The entire situation is like Dirk/Dallas. I'm sure if they can't sign anyone this year, they'll roll into 2015-6 with ample cap space.
TobiasFunke
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Love would be an interesting fit for an aging, record-chasing Kobe when he frees up. LA/UCLA guy.
Cliff Clavin
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Yeah they could pull of another max player and a bunch of scrubs. That is still a low-end playoff team (unless that max player is LeBron). And who is going to want to play with Kobe?Sammy3469 said:FWIW, Coon seems to believe this opens them up to sign a max level player this year assuming they renounce all the other FAs. Not saying this is a good contract, but 2 years isn't the end of the world.Cliff Clavin said:I guess I should have said the basketball side of the franchise is crippled till 2016. The Buss' are still going to rake in the cash. Congrats to Laker fans?tommyGunZ said:They got a guy who's worth what, $75M per year to the franchise to take a 20% pay cut from 31M to 24M.Cliff Clavin said:
I thought it would be more.
http://cbafaq.com/blog/?p=286
the moops
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He is a good fit. However, Love has said that if MIN is winning, and on the correct path, he would re-up with them. Most likely talking out of his ###, but he will still get the most money from MIN and not LAL. As we have seen with Howard, taking the most money is no sure thing, but I would think more times than not, more oney wins out.TobiasFunke said:
Cliff Clavin
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Terrible market this summer. Asides from Heat players and Dirk, you probably couldn't build a playoff team with this year's UFA. And they're only going to be able to spend so much. They can't just fly over the luxury tax because they want to.tommyGunZ said:Well there's that, and the fact that when the Buss' make big dough, they are also more willing to pay the luxury tax. And I'm guessing there were discussions with Kobe and assurances made that they are going to spend big dough to reload in the off season.Cliff Clavin said:I guess I should have said the basketball side of the franchise is crippled till 2016. The Buss' are still going to rake in the cash. Congrats to Laker fans?tommyGunZ said:They got a guy who's worth what, $75M per year to the franchise to take a 20% pay cut from 31M to 24M.Cliff Clavin said:
I thought it would be more.
PG: Lowry / Bayless / Harris
SG: Carter / Allen / Sefolosha
SF: Deng / Pierce / Granger
PF: Pau / Hump
C: Gortat / Hawes / Kaman
TobiasFunke
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Well sure, as with any FA its based on whether they'll actually leave and take a reduced salary, although the visibility of the Lakers probably makes up for that with other revenue possibilities.
Love is the rare max guy whose skill set (and temperament, at least from what we know) seem like a good match for an aging Kobe. And he's young enough that he could be the centerpiece after Kobe leaves. Plus he's got an even stronger draw to LA than a normal NBA guy who simply wants to wear the uniform and nail more B list celebrities.
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Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
I don't get the "The FA market is looking a little thin, so let's pay these guy at least double what he's worth and destroy our cap."
The FA market doesn't begin and end with Lebron Sweepstakeses.
The FA market doesn't begin and end with Lebron Sweepstakeses.
TobiasFunke
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Because you're from Santa Monica, and you don't need to have the ball in your hand every possession to play your game, and you're young enough to be there for many years after he leaves?
I'm not predicting he goes there. I'm saying I think he's a better fit in 2015 or 2016 than anyone other than the two obvious guys who turn any team they're on into a contender.
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Short Corner
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Good Posting Judge said:
Cliff Clavin
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No. Melo is the best fit. It needs to happen. Please, please, please let it happen.
Short Corner
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Kind of hard to get to luxury tax territory when you are under the cap and have no assets to get Bird rights to players via trade.tommyGunZ said:Well there's that, and the fact that when the Buss' make big dough, they are also more willing to pay the luxury tax. And I'm guessing there were discussions with Kobe and assurances made that they are going to spend big dough to reload in the off season.Cliff Clavin said:I guess I should have said the basketball side of the franchise is crippled till 2016. The Buss' are still going to rake in the cash. Congrats to Laker fans?tommyGunZ said:They got a guy who's worth what, $75M per year to the franchise to take a 20% pay cut from 31M to 24M.Cliff Clavin said:
I thought it would be more.
TobiasFunke
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Melo was one of the two obvious guys I referred to who turn any team they're on into a contender
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Gr00vus
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Cliff Clavin
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Oh come on. Wouldn't watching Kobe and Melo go shot for shot all season be more entertaining than watching Kobe and a bunch of mediocre guys battle for an 8 seed while Kobe chucks his way into the record books? The entertainment value would be off the charts. Think of the duels they'd have with one another. The fights over who'd get to take the last shot. The glares they'd give a teammate who attempts a shot. The look of pure hopelessness on D'Antoni's face. I wouldn't miss a game.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
They reconciled, IIRC. So I believe she would be entitled to half that, in the event of a divorce, unless Kobe somehow got her to sign something.
Speaking of money, Kobe's estimated worth is $200mm. Obviously more than he's ever going to be able to spend, especially if you factor in post-basketball earnings. So we can reasonably assume that Kobe's life priorities going forward are:
1)
2) The scoring record
3) Winning a title
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the moops
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Was born in Santa Monica but only lived there for a year. Then played one year for UCLA. His southern CA connections are a bit overblown
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