*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (2 Viewers)

[Abraham]

Was Portland supposed to be this good entering the season??

No. At the same time, they were supposed to be better then "meh" the last few years anyway so its kind of evening out. LA is FINALLY playing like the Rick Barnes stink is finally gone.

 

[Abraham]

Jim Harden is good at basketball.

With Parsons resting his knee the team tried to get Donuts and Brewer some run to increase their trade prospects. Ooph.

 

[SWC]

who thinks that rose will come back and be the same i am starting to wonder but i wish him the best on the bucks brohans they stink the bag and it is really ugly but hey at least they have a guy with half of the alphabet and and a center who looks like he works in receiving at the plant so they have that going for them fear the deer brohans

 

[TobiasFunke]

Jan Vesely #NBABallot

 

[Abraham]

There is actually a very reasonable pathway that the bulls could end up with two top 15 picks, melo, and a returning rose. Some discussion that a team - perhaps Chicago - would make a huge offer to Stevenson. That would weaken Indiana while providing a secondary ball handler and excellent defender to pacify thibs.

But they are also close to carving out enough room for a player like Melo. They also have more than enough assets to trade for a guy like afflLo.

 

[Premier]

What would they trade for Afflalo?

 

[ScoobySnack]

These guys rule.

In 1976, the ABA merged with the NBA, bringing the Indiana Pacers, San Antonio Spurs, New York Nets and Denver Nuggets into the fold. Two teams, the Kentucky Colonels and the Spirits of St. Louis, were essentially paid to go away. The Colonels’ owners accepted $3 million from the NBA to fold their team, while the Spirits’ owners got a different deal.Ozzie and Daniel Silna, brothers who owned the Spirits, took just $2.2 million, along with an agreement to receive one-seventh of national TV revenue that each of the four former ABA teams would receive, for as long as the NBA existed.

Oops.

Now, 38 years later, the Silnas have received about $300 million as a result of the deal. They could make at least $500 million more if they accept a buyout from the NBA now, The New York Times reports. The NBA is willing to pay the enormous sum to finally get the Silnas out of its hair, while the Silnas no longer have to fight with the league, which understandably grits its teeth whenever it makes one of its yearly payments to the brothers. The Silnas will not lose their cash cow entirely, according to the Times, as they will continue to receive smaller payments from television revenue for the near future. A new deal would allow for the Silnas to be bought out at some point.

The Silnas did not have to rework the deal and could have continued to receive payments for perpetuity. But with the popularity of the league growing globally and more fans watching games streaming online, there is some doubt how long massive TV contracts for sports leagues will continue. Accepting $500 million now might be looked back on as yet another masterstroke by the Silnas four decades from now. Also, at some point, a good sport stops running up the score and just walks off the court with a decisive victory, confident that the point has been made.

I love reading this story. Makes me laugh and it's great to see someone get over one of the major sports leagues.

 

[Abraham]

What would they trade for Afflalo?

Solidify shooting guard, move butler to the 3 full time.

 

[Premier]

What would they trade for Afflalo?

Solidify shooting guard, move butler to the 3 full time.

I mean what do they have to trade for him? Draft picks? I don't see much in players there the magic would want.

 

[Abraham]

What would they trade for Afflalo?

Solidify shooting guard, move butler to the 3 full time.

I mean what do they have to trade for him? Draft picks? I don't see much in players there the magic would want.

They have a lot of draft picks outside of their own. They could end up with three firsts this year, for example.

2014 - Bobcats 1st as long as not top 10.

2014 - Cavs 1st (heavy protections though)

2015 - Rights to swap 1sts with Cavs if Cavs not in lottery.

2015 - Cavs second rounder

2016 Cavs second rounder

 

[glock]

These guys rule.

In 1976, the ABA merged with the NBA, bringing the Indiana Pacers, San Antonio Spurs, New York Nets and Denver Nuggets into the fold. Two teams, the Kentucky Colonels and the Spirits of St. Louis, were essentially paid to go away. The Colonels’ owners accepted $3 million from the NBA to fold their team, while the Spirits’ owners got a different deal.Ozzie and Daniel Silna, brothers who owned the Spirits, took just $2.2 million, along with an agreement to receive one-seventh of national TV revenue that each of the four former ABA teams would receive, for as long as the NBA existed.

Oops.

Now, 38 years later, the Silnas have received about $300 million as a result of the deal. They could make at least $500 million more if they accept a buyout from the NBA now, The New York Times reports. The NBA is willing to pay the enormous sum to finally get the Silnas out of its hair, while the Silnas no longer have to fight with the league, which understandably grits its teeth whenever it makes one of its yearly payments to the brothers. The Silnas will not lose their cash cow entirely, according to the Times, as they will continue to receive smaller payments from television revenue for the near future. A new deal would allow for the Silnas to be bought out at some point.

The Silnas did not have to rework the deal and could have continued to receive payments for perpetuity. But with the popularity of the league growing globally and more fans watching games streaming online, there is some doubt how long massive TV contracts for sports leagues will continue. Accepting $500 million now might be looked back on as yet another masterstroke by the Silnas four decades from now. Also, at some point, a good sport stops running up the score and just walks off the court with a decisive victory, confident that the point has been made.

I love reading this story. Makes me laugh and it's great to see someone get over one of the major sports leagues.

This. Totally this.

 

[Premier]

What would they trade for Afflalo?

Solidify shooting guard, move butler to the 3 full time.

I mean what do they have to trade for him? Draft picks? I don't see much in players there the magic would want.

They have a lot of draft picks outside of their own. They could end up with three firsts this year, for example.

2014 - Bobcats 1st as long as not top 10.

2014 - Cavs 1st (heavy protections though)

2015 - Rights to swap 1sts with Cavs if Cavs not in lottery.

2015 - Cavs second rounder

2016 Cavs second rounder

None of those come close to getting AA.

 

[thecatch]

I wouldn't deal afflalo for a mid first round pick.

 

[Abraham]

What would they trade for Afflalo?

Solidify shooting guard, move butler to the 3 full time.

I mean what do they have to trade for him? Draft picks? I don't see much in players there the magic would want.

They have a lot of draft picks outside of their own. They could end up with three firsts this year, for example.

2014 - Bobcats 1st as long as not top 10.

2014 - Cavs 1st (heavy protections though)

2015 - Rights to swap 1sts with Cavs if Cavs not in lottery.

2015 - Cavs second rounder

2016 Cavs second rounder

None of those come close to getting AA.

Probably not. Was just pointing out that he is an appealing SG on a nice contract and the Bulls could use a player like him. I think the Magic would be silly to trade a player of his caliber on such a reasonable contract. That said, he is their oldest player and he's probably smack dab in the middle of his prime. I'm not advocating a perpetual state of tanking, but if Vucevic and VO are supposed to represent part of the core that gets filled out by Wiggins, Randle, or Lavine then perhaps having your best veteran 6+ years older then your core guys isn't the best idea.

 

[Premier]

Why isn't it the best idea? They're tanking just fine with him.

The more likely AA trade is him and their low lottery pick from the Nuggets (13-14th) to move up to a top-7 pick.

 

[Abraham]

Why isn't it the best idea? They're tanking just fine with him.

The more likely AA trade is him and their low lottery pick from the Nuggets (13-14th) to move up to a top-7 pick.

That's a great idea. For example, if Atlanta is going to keep Horford and Millsaps, he could help them a lot should their pick fall in the 7-9 range as it does now.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

What would they trade for Afflalo?

Solidify shooting guard, move butler to the 3 full time.

I mean what do they have to trade for him? Draft picks? I don't see much in players there the magic would want.

2015 - Cavs second rounder

2016 Cavs second rounder

FYI these were originally from Portland so they won't be high 2nds

 

[sports_fan]

Wolves choked away another one last night. Up by 6 with 1:30 left and they lose by 1. Now 0-10 in games decided by 4 or less.

 

[Juxtatarot]

What would they trade for Afflalo?

Solidify shooting guard, move butler to the 3 full time.

I mean what do they have to trade for him? Draft picks? I don't see much in players there the magic would want.

2015 - Cavs second rounder

2016 Cavs second rounder

FYI these were originally from Portland so they won't be high 2nds

And the "Cavs" protected first rounder is the Kings. Abe isn't very accurate today.

 

[Abraham]

What would they trade for Afflalo?

Solidify shooting guard, move butler to the 3 full time.

I mean what do they have to trade for him? Draft picks? I don't see much in players there the magic would want.

2015 - Cavs second rounder

2016 Cavs second rounder

FYI these were originally from Portland so they won't be high 2nds

And the "Cavs" protected first rounder is the Kings. Abe isn't very accurate today.

I said "heavily protected".

Anyway, how about this one...

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kedkfpp

 

[Juxtatarot]

What would they trade for Afflalo?

Solidify shooting guard, move butler to the 3 full time.

I mean what do they have to trade for him? Draft picks? I don't see much in players there the magic would want.

2015 - Cavs second rounder

2016 Cavs second rounder

FYI these were originally from Portland so they won't be high 2nds

And the "Cavs" protected first rounder is the Kings. Abe isn't very accurate today.

I said "heavily protected".

Anyway, how about this one...

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kedkfpp

I think Asik and Chandler would fit well on the court together.

Speaking of Asik, is he really hurt or is he pretend hurt because he's disgruntled? I originally thought his injury was minor but he's missed a ton of time.

 

[Abraham]

I doubt he's hurt. I think he's agreed not to play and they've agreed not to play him.

 

[Tom Hagen]

These guys rule.

In 1976, the ABA merged with the NBA, bringing the Indiana Pacers, San Antonio Spurs, New York Nets and Denver Nuggets into the fold. Two teams, the Kentucky Colonels and the Spirits of St. Louis, were essentially paid to go away. The Colonels’ owners accepted $3 million from the NBA to fold their team, while the Spirits’ owners got a different deal.Ozzie and Daniel Silna, brothers who owned the Spirits, took just $2.2 million, along with an agreement to receive one-seventh of national TV revenue that each of the four former ABA teams would receive, for as long as the NBA existed.

Oops.

Now, 38 years later, the Silnas have received about $300 million as a result of the deal. They could make at least $500 million more if they accept a buyout from the NBA now, The New York Times reports. The NBA is willing to pay the enormous sum to finally get the Silnas out of its hair, while the Silnas no longer have to fight with the league, which understandably grits its teeth whenever it makes one of its yearly payments to the brothers. The Silnas will not lose their cash cow entirely, according to the Times, as they will continue to receive smaller payments from television revenue for the near future. A new deal would allow for the Silnas to be bought out at some point.

The Silnas did not have to rework the deal and could have continued to receive payments for perpetuity. But with the popularity of the league growing globally and more fans watching games streaming online, there is some doubt how long massive TV contracts for sports leagues will continue. Accepting $500 million now might be looked back on as yet another masterstroke by the Silnas four decades from now. Also, at some point, a good sport stops running up the score and just walks off the court with a decisive victory, confident that the point has been made.

I love reading this story. Makes me laugh and it's great to see someone get over one of the major sports leagues.

I'd like to think that David Stern has to personally sign the check every year with an angry look on his face.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Drummond bites on a pump fake.

And bites again 1 minute later...

 

[TobiasFunke]

Popovich

 

[ScoobySnack]

These guys rule.

In 1976, the ABA merged with the NBA, bringing the Indiana Pacers, San Antonio Spurs, New York Nets and Denver Nuggets into the fold. Two teams, the Kentucky Colonels and the Spirits of St. Louis, were essentially paid to go away. The Colonels’ owners accepted $3 million from the NBA to fold their team, while the Spirits’ owners got a different deal.Ozzie and Daniel Silna, brothers who owned the Spirits, took just $2.2 million, along with an agreement to receive one-seventh of national TV revenue that each of the four former ABA teams would receive, for as long as the NBA existed.

Oops.

Now, 38 years later, the Silnas have received about $300 million as a result of the deal. They could make at least $500 million more if they accept a buyout from the NBA now, The New York Times reports. The NBA is willing to pay the enormous sum to finally get the Silnas out of its hair, while the Silnas no longer have to fight with the league, which understandably grits its teeth whenever it makes one of its yearly payments to the brothers. The Silnas will not lose their cash cow entirely, according to the Times, as they will continue to receive smaller payments from television revenue for the near future. A new deal would allow for the Silnas to be bought out at some point.

The Silnas did not have to rework the deal and could have continued to receive payments for perpetuity. But with the popularity of the league growing globally and more fans watching games streaming online, there is some doubt how long massive TV contracts for sports leagues will continue. Accepting $500 million now might be looked back on as yet another masterstroke by the Silnas four decades from now. Also, at some point, a good sport stops running up the score and just walks off the court with a decisive victory, confident that the point has been made.

I love reading this story. Makes me laugh and it's great to see someone get over one of the major sports leagues.

I'd like to think that David Stern has to personally sign the check every year with an angry look on his face.

Omg that would be so hillarious if it was the case. I can just imagine him mumbling under his breathe every time. Much like an ex-husband would ever time he had to write his gold digging ex-wife an alimony check.

 

[Abraham]

Goodness. Bargiani is awful on defense.

 

[scoobus]

What would they trade for Afflalo?

Solidify shooting guard, move butler to the 3 full time.

I mean what do they have to trade for him? Draft picks? I don't see much in players there the magic would want.

They have a lot of draft picks outside of their own. They could end up with three firsts this year, for example.

2014 - Bobcats 1st as long as not top 10.

2014 - Cavs 1st (heavy protections though)

2015 - Rights to swap 1sts with Cavs if Cavs not in lottery.

2015 - Cavs second rounder

2016 Cavs second rounder

Abe bringing the misinformation in this thread. Might wanna review that Deng trade again.

 

[simmonjm]

Knicks are 4-1 in 2014 and had it not been for the aforementioned beautiful ill timed 3 by JR they could be undefeated. There is a glimmer of hope to this ridiculous season.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Knicks are 4-1 in 2014 and had it not been for the aforementioned beautiful ill timed 3 by JR they could be undefeated. There is a glimmer of hope to this ridiculous season.

Its name is Tyson Chandler

 

[Raider Nation]

Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo Sports

Within days of J.R. Smith arriving armed with a historic $3 million contract, Zhejiang of the Chinese Basketball League had come to regret signing the clown prince of basketball. From unreasonable demands on the kind of car needed to curry him around the city, to skipping practices for shopping excursions in neighboring cities, to a relentless pattern of insubordination, Smith's bad act had never been worse.

Perhaps his greatest excess of idiocy had been a weekend of running a room service bill into the proximity of $3,000, a source with direct knowledge told Yahoo Sports. He kept ordering food, stacking piles of trays upon trays – "just to see if they would keep bringing it to the room," the source said.

All uneaten, all on the franchise's tab – all a window into a fool.

Smith would be fined more than $1 million in that lockout season in China, which is some kind of stupid considering he had gone overseas on the desperate premise of a money grab. He has come back to the States, signed two free-agent contracts with the New York Knicks and soon will push $1 million in fines for his NBA career. He's been suspended for a reckless driving death and fights and drugs. He's 28 years old, and he's learned little in his life except how to use basketball to get over on everyone again and again.

This time, it was the act of untying opponents' sneakers that cost him $50,000 and the ire of a Knicks organization that has longed enabled – even encouraged – the most mean-spirited and pointless of behavior.

Across 48 hours, the Knicks tried a different approach with Smith. First, they floated the empty threat of trading him. And then coach Mike Woodson benched him on Thursday night in a victory over the Miami Heat at Madison Square Garden.

Smith will be back again, and the Knicks will be at his mercy. After Smith was the NBA's Sixth Man of the Year last season, he found a sparse free-agent market over the summer. And now, with a three-year, $18 million contract, knee surgery and a suspension to start the season, the Knicks couldn't even start a trade conversation on Smith without attaching a good, young player or a first-round draft pick to him.

This is a different NBA financial climate, where teams are stingier than ever on awarding long-term, guaranteed money to those as combustible and unreliable as Smith. Smith's exodus is a non-starter and the Knicks know it.

If Smith didn't have such an inflated opinion of himself, he'd probably know it, too. Everyone understands how this will go now: Smith will tell everyone that he needs to grow up, that's he's let down his coach and teammates and fans. The Knicks will start to play him again, and it's just a matter of time until Smith's self-destructive act will resurface. Once again, he'll be ignorant to the score in the final seconds of a game – like the loss he cost the Knicks in Houston – or he'll get into trouble off the floor. Or probably both.

After his release from prison four years ago, Smith sat inside a New Jersey country club, and told me how the death of his close friend, caused by Smith's recklessness behind the wheel, had changed his life. From the guilt over the death, to a summer in a prison cell, to wanting his young daughter to never have to keep reading about his misdeeds, Smith vowed to be a changed man.

“I think I was a follower to an extent,” Smith told me. “If someone would ask me to do something that was on the borderline, more than likely I’d say, ‘OK, let’s go.’ Now, I think I see the bigger picture finally. …I think I need to mature and understand what I say before I say it, and what I do before I do it."

He can make it sound so sincere, but the con never ends. J.R. Smith was raised in a suburban, middle-class home with two good parents and access to an excellent education. He had a tremendous high school coaching mentor – Dan Hurley at St. Benedict's Prep in Newark, N.J. – and he has long been taught the difference of right and wrong. Smith's always loved to play the part of a tough city kid, but truth be told, he's a soft, spoiled suburban jump shooter.

And when Smith's benching ends with these Knicks, there will be no epiphanies. No revelations. Everyone knows how this story ends with him, how the money will dry up and how he'll wish he had done everything so differently in his career. It is sad and predictable and on a collision course with cliche.

Someday, Smith will make that call to room service – insisting upon more of everything – and there will be no one to answer. J.R. Smith is 28 years old, and it is too late to threaten and punish a spoiled, suburban kid. No trade, no epiphanies, no changes. The Knicks deserve J.R. Smith, and he'll belong to them until the bitter end.

I give it 50/50 that he's dead broke within 5 years.

 

[Abraham]

I'll take the under.

 

[sports_fan]

Goodness. Bargiani is awful on defense.

You're the first person to notice this.

 

[Abraham]

I like how JR Smith says that the warning the NBA gave him after untying Marion's shoes was somehow hard to understand. Something like, "I didn't know how serious they were."

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo Sports

Within days of J.R. Smith arriving armed with a historic $3 million contract, Zhejiang of the Chinese Basketball League had come to regret signing the clown prince of basketball. From unreasonable demands on the kind of car needed to curry him around the city, to skipping practices for shopping excursions in neighboring cities, to a relentless pattern of insubordination, Smith's bad act had never been worse.

Perhaps his greatest excess of idiocy had been a weekend of running a room service bill into the proximity of $3,000, a source with direct knowledge told Yahoo Sports. He kept ordering food, stacking piles of trays upon trays – "just to see if they would keep bringing it to the room," the source said.

All uneaten, all on the franchise's tab – all a window into a fool.

Smith would be fined more than $1 million in that lockout season in China, which is some kind of stupid considering he had gone overseas on the desperate premise of a money grab. He has come back to the States, signed two free-agent contracts with the New York Knicks and soon will push $1 million in fines for his NBA career. He's been suspended for a reckless driving death and fights and drugs. He's 28 years old, and he's learned little in his life except how to use basketball to get over on everyone again and again.

This time, it was the act of untying opponents' sneakers that cost him $50,000 and the ire of a Knicks organization that has longed enabled – even encouraged – the most mean-spirited and pointless of behavior.

Across 48 hours, the Knicks tried a different approach with Smith. First, they floated the empty threat of trading him. And then coach Mike Woodson benched him on Thursday night in a victory over the Miami Heat at Madison Square Garden.

Smith will be back again, and the Knicks will be at his mercy. After Smith was the NBA's Sixth Man of the Year last season, he found a sparse free-agent market over the summer. And now, with a three-year, $18 million contract, knee surgery and a suspension to start the season, the Knicks couldn't even start a trade conversation on Smith without attaching a good, young player or a first-round draft pick to him.

This is a different NBA financial climate, where teams are stingier than ever on awarding long-term, guaranteed money to those as combustible and unreliable as Smith. Smith's exodus is a non-starter and the Knicks know it.

If Smith didn't have such an inflated opinion of himself, he'd probably know it, too. Everyone understands how this will go now: Smith will tell everyone that he needs to grow up, that's he's let down his coach and teammates and fans. The Knicks will start to play him again, and it's just a matter of time until Smith's self-destructive act will resurface. Once again, he'll be ignorant to the score in the final seconds of a game – like the loss he cost the Knicks in Houston – or he'll get into trouble off the floor. Or probably both.

After his release from prison four years ago, Smith sat inside a New Jersey country club, and told me how the death of his close friend, caused by Smith's recklessness behind the wheel, had changed his life. From the guilt over the death, to a summer in a prison cell, to wanting his young daughter to never have to keep reading about his misdeeds, Smith vowed to be a changed man.

“I think I was a follower to an extent,” Smith told me. “If someone would ask me to do something that was on the borderline, more than likely I’d say, ‘OK, let’s go.’ Now, I think I see the bigger picture finally. …I think I need to mature and understand what I say before I say it, and what I do before I do it."

He can make it sound so sincere, but the con never ends. J.R. Smith was raised in a suburban, middle-class home with two good parents and access to an excellent education. He had a tremendous high school coaching mentor – Dan Hurley at St. Benedict's Prep in Newark, N.J. – and he has long been taught the difference of right and wrong. Smith's always loved to play the part of a tough city kid, but truth be told, he's a soft, spoiled suburban jump shooter.

And when Smith's benching ends with these Knicks, there will be no epiphanies. No revelations. Everyone knows how this story ends with him, how the money will dry up and how he'll wish he had done everything so differently in his career. It is sad and predictable and on a collision course with cliche.

Someday, Smith will make that call to room service – insisting upon more of everything – and there will be no one to answer. J.R. Smith is 28 years old, and it is too late to threaten and punish a spoiled, suburban kid. No trade, no epiphanies, no changes. The Knicks deserve J.R. Smith, and he'll belong to them until the bitter end.

I give it 50/50 that he's dead broke within 5 years.

Definitely taking the under.

Seems to have really learned his lesson this time.

 

[Abraham]

cobra, brah!UTom Ley

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Of course Smith posted a poorly taken picture, the guy is all about miserable shot selection. Today 2:35pm

 

[Ilov80s]

BTW, the current title of this thread is outstanding.

 

[AAABatteries]

Hawks with nice back to back wins over the Pacers and then Rockets. Really like Coach Bud - will just enjoy the regular season knowing best case is 2nd round and root like hell for Brooklyn to implode.

 

[sports_fan]

Nets suddenly on a 5 game winning streak. With wins against the Thunder, Heat and the red hot Warriors.

 

[Balco]

Nets suddenly on a 5 game winning streak. With wins against the Thunder, Heat and the red hot Warriors.

Looks like players starting to get comfortable with roles.

 

[Abraham]

He's overpaid, but joe Johnson has been playing well of late.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Nets suddenly on a 5 game winning streak. With wins against the Thunder, Heat and the red hot Warriors.

They'll get a whooping tonight. :boatloads:

 

[Balco]

Nets suddenly on a 5 game winning streak. With wins against the Thunder, Heat and the red hot Warriors.

They'll get a whooping tonight. :boatloads:

While doing research for my fanduel team, I see that Jonas Valanciunas has really seen an improvement in his play since the Rudy Gay trade.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Nets suddenly on a 5 game winning streak. With wins against the Thunder, Heat and the red hot Warriors.

They'll get a whooping tonight. :boatloads:

While doing research for my fanduel team, I see that Jonas Valanciunas has really seen an improvement in his play since the Rudy Gay trade.

You'll notice trend among all Raptor players in that regard with the exception of Derozan. Should be a solid night for JV tonight. 15 and 10 or so IMO.

 

[Abraham]

Rockets game in a rain delay.

 

[Balco]

Andre Kirilenko is starting to look a lot like Bruce Jenner.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Nets go on an 18-3 run. Raptors respond with a 26-3 run.

 

[Juxtatarot]

Meanwhile, Bulls with the longest current winning streak in the league at 5. I'm thinking they have a chance at the second round again even without Deng. Augustin has been a blessing.

 

[Raider Nation]

Portland rolls again.

 

[Raider Nation]

Also, I'm glad the Blazers have never really changed their uniforms. Simple design but very sharp.