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*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (6 Viewers)
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modogg
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well, i think if Hinkie wants him that bad he'll get him. the fact they had him here in Philly for so long to work out, and they had Wiggins and Dr. J hang out at the lottery picks would make you think it is more then a smokescreen. I like that the Sixers literally called Cle that night to discuss possible trades.
All the Sixers stuff i have been reading all year has been all about Wiggins, so they certainly have me excited for him. the fact that they have researched Exum so thoroughly as well though makes me think they are just thorough.
On a side note, the only teams that i am aware of that have been allowed to see Embid's medicals are the original 2 in Mil and Cle, and now the Sixers who recently were able to get them. I have to think if you are going to draft this guy you would have to see those records right? So is the plan one of these 3 will definitely take him? just seems scary investing a lot in a guy if you couldn't get the chance to check him out more
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
Not sure if the bright lights of LA are going to outweigh him not being "the man" anymore.
sporthenry
Footballguy
GOB
Footballguy
Wouldn't you take Orlando's offer of 4, 12, and Afflalo over 3 and Young?
Abraham
Footballguy
In really like this deal for Dallas. If the Knicks added dirk and Ellis it's a no brained that Melo would stay. It's New York and it's in the east. But the mavs have taken the only other decent player from the Knicks and brought him to a team with a good shooting guard and a hall of fame power forward. Even as a rockets fan I don't think that's a bad situation for the next two years.
simmonjm
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At best he transforms Toronto into a perennial first round loser or gets to play along side Kobe and the Lakers and who knows how far they go. Lakers always seem to find a way to rip some dumb team off so I doubt that they will be down for long. Bottom line if he stays in Toronto he will be irrelevant.
simmonjm
Footballguy
Chandler had begun to complain about Melo shooting too much. Apparently Melo was happy about the trade.
Abraham
Footballguy
sporthenry
Footballguy
Sure, that was the Sixers original trade and why Cleveland was more interested in Orlando's offer. But if the Sixers offer 3 and 10, I'd consider that greater than 4/12/Afflalo. People said Thad didn't move the needle on trades earlier, so pretty hard to think Afflalo moves the needle that much. Difference between 3/4 is essentially who you want after the big 2 and I've liked what I've seen at 10 a lot more than what is left at 12.
I also would take the Jazz's offer of Favors and 5th overall over Orlando's but then again its the Cavs.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
simmonjm
Footballguy
They cant really think they were going to be able to land Melo. Even though he had a visit scheduled there the chances are slim to none.
simmonjm
Footballguy
Master of Past and Present
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Would seem odd but didn't Cuban forgo a chance to woo Deron Williams to tape Shark Tank episodes?
modogg
Footballguy
it all depends on how you value the draft. Since it seems like Cle is not the most prepared team, who knows. It would seem they looked at 3 guys, Parker, Embid and Wiggins. so maybe they think the draft has 3 guys who are big time talent, and the drop off from 3 to 4 is big. I certainly don't know, but that would mean the Sixers 3 is much more valuable than the 4 or 5. i would think 10 and 12 are close enough they can be worked with.
But if i am Cle, my whole thought is where is that drop off. Is Exum's potential high enough to make it a top 4 like many suggest, or no? And is it a top 2, or what? What is funny to me is how crazy the news/prognosis is with Embid. You have some Dr.'s say it is nothing and Embid will be fine with proper rest, and 10 minutes later you get a report from another expert saying it is chronic and no hope for him.
For me, i think the choice for Cle. is obvious. I don't know that team that well, but it seems like everybody thinks the potential for Embid is huge. I would have had every Dr. in the land look at those medical records, and if i think there is a 50% chance he can be 100% i dig around for trades. I take whoever my potential trading partner is, and whoever drafts Embid i trade them the guy i got plus some asset for Embid. So leaving this draft i have Embid, and some addl. picks and maybe a veteran player i can stick in. Easy choice, now if only Cle can get out of their own way they will be fine
Abraham
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Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
You guys are great.
"I heard the Bulls offered #19 and an autographed Jordan rookie card for #1."
"OMG THE Cavs are so stoopid only they could screw this up!!!!"
"I heard the Cavs sent a plane to get Exum"
"OMG They better fire up the VCR I can't believe they haven't bothered to look at any other players do they even know when the draft is!?!?!?!?!?!"
Relax ladies.
"I heard the Bulls offered #19 and an autographed Jordan rookie card for #1."
"OMG THE Cavs are so stoopid only they could screw this up!!!!"
"I heard the Cavs sent a plane to get Exum"
"OMG They better fire up the VCR I can't believe they haven't bothered to look at any other players do they even know when the draft is!?!?!?!?!?!"
Relax ladies.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
He was unhappy in Memphis, Houston and Toronto when he wasn't the man. Last year everyone raved how great of a teammate he was once he was given the reigns.
Lowry, Kobe and no one else arent even sniffing the playoffs in the West. In the East, Toronto is a lock for a playoff spot and is a team full of young and improving players; not a team with a ball hogging cripple eating up half the cap.
Eephus
Footballguy
I like Thad's game but I don't think Young is that attractive a trade piece. He has one year plus a player option remaining on a contract that seems pretty fair for what he contributes. He's in no man's land between being a underpriced asset and a huge expiring deal. He isn't much more than a throw in at this point.
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
"Hey Griff, Modogg and Abe from the internet says you probably hasn't scouted no players so just trade #1 to Philly for 4 of their 2nd rounders cuz they noes what they be doin'. K thx."
sporthenry
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Young has more value than just a throw in. And even if Young has no value, then Afflalo has little value as well. So 3/10 > 4/12.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
I'm sorry guys, I guess I'm slow.
How exactly does shipping out $12 mill in salary, and taking on $20 mill in salary (of worthless players) help Dallas land better free-agents this year?
Getting out of Calderon's salary is nice, but it's not a back breaker. It's a long-term move, but not a 2014 move. Taking on Chandler seems like the last thing a team would want to do if they want to add some good FA's this off-season. Did anybody think NYK had a prayer of getting out of that contract?
Omer Asik has far more trade value, and nobody's knocking down the door for that contract.
And giving away the 34th pick isn't nothing. It's as good as a 1st round pick in most years.
How exactly does shipping out $12 mill in salary, and taking on $20 mill in salary (of worthless players) help Dallas land better free-agents this year?
Getting out of Calderon's salary is nice, but it's not a back breaker. It's a long-term move, but not a 2014 move. Taking on Chandler seems like the last thing a team would want to do if they want to add some good FA's this off-season. Did anybody think NYK had a prayer of getting out of that contract?
Omer Asik has far more trade value, and nobody's knocking down the door for that contract.
And giving away the 34th pick isn't nothing. It's as good as a 1st round pick in most years.
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Eephus
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3 >>> 4
Thad << Afflalo (Afflalo is better and cheaper)
10 > 12
I agree the Sixers' package is better provided Cleveland has a clear cut favorite at #3 but it's not a huge difference. Both deals are probably just rumor mill stuff so it doesn't matter anyway.
Eephus
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GOB
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But they are saying it is the 3 and either Young or 10. No way that is a better offer than Orlando 4, 12, and Afflalo.Edit to say:
I think Embiid is still worth a top 4 pick. I would gladly take him and not have him contribute next year if I'm the Cavs, Bucks, Sixers, or Magic. You can't win without a superstar and Embiid has all the makings if healthy.
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BigSteelThrill
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They want Exum. 3>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>4
That's the catch in the entire deal.
And its not whether the 76ers want him or not, its about will someone else trade up and take him with the #3.
If a team offers a future #1 the 76ers will be listening.
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GOB
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You mean the guy they haven't worked out until today?
BigSteelThrill
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Master of Past and Present
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Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA now
Houston is finalizing a deal to send Omer Asik to New Orleans, league source tells Yahoo Sports.
Brian Windhorst @WindhorstESPN now
The Pelicans will send the Rockets their first round pick in 2015 for Asik
Brian Windhorst @WindhorstESPN now
Rockets will also send New Orleans $1.5 million cash as part of the deal.
Houston is finalizing a deal to send Omer Asik to New Orleans, league source tells Yahoo Sports.
Brian Windhorst @WindhorstESPN now
The Pelicans will send the Rockets their first round pick in 2015 for Asik
Brian Windhorst @WindhorstESPN now
Rockets will also send New Orleans $1.5 million cash as part of the deal.
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GOB
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Let's say you are right and Cleveland wants Exum. Who is to say he won't be there at 4?
Orlando takes Wiggins @ 1.
Bucks take Parker.
Sixers might take Embiid. They already have MCW and Noel so who knows but Exum is not a lock.
The 12 and Afflalo is better than Thad Young.
I sure as hell hope Orlando stays put and Embiid falls into their lap but I'm just a poor kid with a 7 inch vert.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
I think PHI or ORL would both be nuts to make any of those trades.
I really don't think the value of this draft is in the top 7. Most of those guys are risky as hell. It's a great draft because you can get good prospects in the teens.
I'd rather have 2 of the top 12 picks in this draft than the #1.
Then again, I'm not in love with Wiggins, and Vonleh's the guy I'd want to most of those top 7 (him or Parker).
I really don't think the value of this draft is in the top 7. Most of those guys are risky as hell. It's a great draft because you can get good prospects in the teens.
I'd rather have 2 of the top 12 picks in this draft than the #1.
Then again, I'm not in love with Wiggins, and Vonleh's the guy I'd want to most of those top 7 (him or Parker).
Eephus
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BigSteelThrill
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sporthenry
Footballguy
The question is whether the 10 is greater than 12 and Afflalo. For as little value as Young gets on here, people seem enamored with Afflalo.
As far as 10 vs 12, the difference will likely be pretty big at least as mocks go. I'm not in love with McDermott/Stauskas but if you want a chance at them, Randle or Gordon, you better have the #10 pick.
That's another risky win-now move for the Pelicans. Who else was going to give up a first rounder for Asik?
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
The pick better be lottery protected.
Or yet just another horrific draft pick blunder by the Pelicans.
Or yet just another horrific draft pick blunder by the Pelicans.
Eephus
Footballguy
That would be a very interesting move from the 76ers. Tank the season to get a good position in an allegedly strong draft and then trade down. Maybe Hinkle made it all the way through Simmons' column today
Master of Past and Present
Footballguy
Maybe the paperwork won't be filed until after the draft tomorrow?
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
They gave their 2014 1st pick (and Noel) in the "All Star" Jrue Holliday deal.
They're giving 2015 (or beyond) here it appears
They're giving 2015 (or beyond) here it appears
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Juxtatarot
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