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Insein said:
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Doesn't make any sense for the Sixers. Noel and Embiid wouldn't mesh.

Magic could certainly afford to give him a year. Not like they're playing for a title next year anyways.
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Noel is a down on the block big man and Embiid is an athletic big man that can shoot from distance. How does that not mesh? Sixers want Wiggins but I dont think they pass on Embiid if Parker and Wiggins both go.
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Yep.

 
metoo said:
The look on MCW face with that pick, priceless.
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yeah, he handled himself well. Sixers will be absolutely nasty in 2-3 years. I am fine being patient until then. Much rather be a legitimate contender then half of these teams that are in the lottery every year and get all giddy if they get a chance to make the playoffs.

 
modogg said:
Gr00vus said:
modogg said:
Good. Cle srewed this up, and i'm hoping sixers aren't wasting their time anymore. I guess they have to draft Wiggins considering Embiid is hurt, Parker has done everything to express how he doesn't want to play there, and Exum doesn't even want to meet with them. I am trying to think of another franchise that this happens to. you see it every once in awhile with the NFL, but this is sad.

For the life of me, i don't know why CLE wouldn't take 3, 10, and 32 and draft Embid there. maybe the medicals are that bad (i heard today one of the mystery ailments they also found is he has a sinus infection). that's the only thing that makes sense to me from Cleveland's perspective
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How have they screwed up? If it really comes down to Wiggins and Parker, why would you risk trading down to 3 and not getting either one?
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i'm just salty sixers may not get Wiggins considering they have been talking about it for a year. For me, nothing really shows Wiggins will be that much better then Embid or Parker career wise. All talk was Cle loved Embid, so if you think he might be healthy at some point, why not get max value.unless they think Wiggins really will be a superstar, I just don't know if they maximized what they could have done

ETA: also seems like Wiggins is a good kid. I think most would argue that it is much better for Wiggins to go to the Sixers then Cle. Just hard to see the kid reach his full potential going to Cle.
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Why would people argue it would be better to go to Philly than Cleveland? Cleveland has another legit star already at PG and a very real shot at landing Lebron. They also just hired a coach that is thought of as an offensive genius. That seems like a pretty good place to play to me.

 
modogg said:
metoo said:
The look on MCW face with that pick, priceless.
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yeah, he handled himself well. Sixers will be absolutely nasty in 2-3 years. I am fine being patient until then. Much rather be a legitimate contender then half of these teams that are in the lottery every year and get all giddy if they get a chance to make the playoffs.
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Something about hatching and chickens comes to mind...

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
So what did Philly get in the trade?
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"OK, sounding like it’s 10 for 12, a 2015 2nd and 2017 1st back to Philly that they owed ORL in Dwight deal."

also...

"The Sixers got to move down 2 spots, still picked up the guy they wanted, and abolished the Bynum trade. Making it look easy."

 
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GroveDiesel said:
modogg said:
Gr00vus said:
modogg said:
Good. Cle srewed this up, and i'm hoping sixers aren't wasting their time anymore. I guess they have to draft Wiggins considering Embiid is hurt, Parker has done everything to express how he doesn't want to play there, and Exum doesn't even want to meet with them. I am trying to think of another franchise that this happens to. you see it every once in awhile with the NFL, but this is sad.

For the life of me, i don't know why CLE wouldn't take 3, 10, and 32 and draft Embid there. maybe the medicals are that bad (i heard today one of the mystery ailments they also found is he has a sinus infection). that's the only thing that makes sense to me from Cleveland's perspective
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How have they screwed up? If it really comes down to Wiggins and Parker, why would you risk trading down to 3 and not getting either one?
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i'm just salty sixers may not get Wiggins considering they have been talking about it for a year. For me, nothing really shows Wiggins will be that much better then Embid or Parker career wise. All talk was Cle loved Embid, so if you think he might be healthy at some point, why not get max value.unless they think Wiggins really will be a superstar, I just don't know if they maximized what they could have done

ETA: also seems like Wiggins is a good kid. I think most would argue that it is much better for Wiggins to go to the Sixers then Cle. Just hard to see the kid reach his full potential going to Cle.
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Why would people argue it would be better to go to Philly than Cleveland? Cleveland has another legit star already at PG and a very real shot at landing Lebron. They also just hired a coach that is thought of as an offensive genius. That seems like a pretty good place to play to me.
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Maybe. I think there is probably less then 1% Lebron would ever want to go back to Cleveland, I am not sure Irving wants to stay in Cle much longer either, and I have heard very different opinions of Blatt then i guess you have heard.

Maybe you are right and they surprise everybody. All of a sudden all of the other chances Cavs had to do something turn out. Waters, Thompson, and Bennet all All-stars next year? In seriousness, i hope they get better. But i think the common element there is the lack of player development from the organization. Hopefully Wiggins can get through that, but putting him in the Sixers system with the way they play and their approach at allowing him to develop would probably helped him a little more

 
GroveDiesel said:
modogg said:
Gr00vus said:
modogg said:
Good. Cle srewed this up, and i'm hoping sixers aren't wasting their time anymore. I guess they have to draft Wiggins considering Embiid is hurt, Parker has done everything to express how he doesn't want to play there, and Exum doesn't even want to meet with them. I am trying to think of another franchise that this happens to. you see it every once in awhile with the NFL, but this is sad.

For the life of me, i don't know why CLE wouldn't take 3, 10, and 32 and draft Embid there. maybe the medicals are that bad (i heard today one of the mystery ailments they also found is he has a sinus infection). that's the only thing that makes sense to me from Cleveland's perspective
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How have they screwed up? If it really comes down to Wiggins and Parker, why would you risk trading down to 3 and not getting either one?
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i'm just salty sixers may not get Wiggins considering they have been talking about it for a year. For me, nothing really shows Wiggins will be that much better then Embid or Parker career wise. All talk was Cle loved Embid, so if you think he might be healthy at some point, why not get max value.unless they think Wiggins really will be a superstar, I just don't know if they maximized what they could have done

ETA: also seems like Wiggins is a good kid. I think most would argue that it is much better for Wiggins to go to the Sixers then Cle. Just hard to see the kid reach his full potential going to Cle.
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Why would people argue it would be better to go to Philly than Cleveland? Cleveland has another legit star already at PG and a very real shot at landing Lebron. They also just hired a coach that is thought of as an offensive genius. That seems like a pretty good place to play to me.
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cleveland is a mess until proven otherwise.
 
Bigboy10182000 said:
Hinkie has turned Holiday into Noel, Saric, 1st, and a 2nd.
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Freaking Genius.

Meanwhile Ruben managed to give away 3 major league starters and a potential 4th to get Pence for one year and then trade him for a hurt catcher and jack ####. Well done.

I know different sport but its hard to #### up both ends of a trade.

 
Abraham said:
Bulls could have used haris.
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Sure they could have. As Augustine replacement off the bench.

Got a better (and more versatile player as 3 or stretch 4) in McDermott. Gary Harris is Randy Foye II (undersized 2 guard). Love the pick by the Bulls. Undersized 2 guards are a dime a dozen. Harris isn't half the shooter McDermott is (to put in perspective McDermott shot better from 3 than Harris did from the field period).

McDermott's gonna have a long long career as a complimentary scorer & one of the better 3 point shooters in the league. Perfect fit with the Bulls.

 
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Nevermind. I think the Xavier PG is going to OKC, and the it's the Stanford PF going to CLE. Some sources also saying maybe Brendan Haywood to the Heat. Some say to CLE with Powell.

Clearing out space to bring in some FA's that want to be part of this freight train.

 
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I will be surprised if Hinkie can walk tomorrow after everyone sucking his #### tonight.

Another Hinkie miracle!

 
Juxtatarot said:
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Kev and other Nuggets fans - talk to me about Anthony Randolph.
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So, an opinion is the Bulls wanted him as an expiring contract to use for a Knicks sign-and-trade.
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I didn't even realize he was part of that trade.

He's kind of like Lamar Odom, but not the good Lamar Odom from the mid to late 00's, more like the crack addicted version of a year ago.

He's actually a nice end of the bench guy, and I think he was a good citizen during his stay here and never made any waves. He's a decent defender and can handle the ball pretty well, but he thinks a little more of himself than he should, so he takes bad shots and turns the ball over too often. If he has to play 15 or 20 minutes a game for a week because a couple guys are hurt, he won't kill you, but if he's playing 1000 minutes a year, your team is going to have some problems.

 
Is it common for NBA GM's to admit they had their eyes on a guy and were disappointed they didn't get him? I grew up with hockey, where every player that every team selects "was at the top of the board" and "the guy they targeted from the start", so it's a bit jarring for me to see Masai Ujiri admitting the Raptors were basically heartbroken not to get Tyler Ennis.

 
Thrilled with the J. Randle pick. Great rebounder. He's a worker. Can get to the line and a decent FT-shooter. Think his mid-range game will develop.

 
It will be interesting to see what boston is doing. Young is a really nice pick. Obviously rondo is on his way out if they plan on keeping smart.

 
Well, the Hornets officially scare the hell out of me. They've got something going. Thank God it's not an attractive destination for NBA free agents.

 
Northern Voice said:
Is it common for NBA GM's to admit they had their eyes on a guy and were disappointed they didn't get him? I grew up with hockey, where every player that every team selects "was at the top of the board" and "the guy they targeted from the start", so it's a bit jarring for me to see Masai Ujiri admitting the Raptors were basically heartbroken not to get Tyler Ennis.
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Not really but I don't think it means anything. Ujiri has been pretty open with his opinions. Had he taken a player who'd have been coming to the team immediately, I doubt he says it.

 
Abraham said:
It will be interesting to see what boston is doing. Young is a really nice pick. Obviously rondo is on his way out if they plan on keeping smart.
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I think they keep Rondo until the tradeline and unload him and then let Smart take over at point. Rondo's playing for a max contract and by waiting until the deadline he can show that he is fully recovered from his knee injury and his value will be higher. I also think Ainge realizes that he couldn't make another KG type deal because the current "assets" are a bunch of draft picks. The KG deal was a bunch of young players with "potential" but only Jefferson and to a lesser extent Gerald Green were the only ones that really developed. He took the best players available last night and maybe over the next 2 years he can make a "KG-like" deal with the assets being some combination of Smart, Young, Sullinger, Olynek, and the Brooklyn picks. Plus, after next season he will have Wallace's big expiring contract to dangle as well.

My fantasy scenario is Rondo stays, the team is competitive and maybe gets the 8th seed in playoffs and if somehow Love isn't traded, he signs here as a Free Agent after the season and we end up getting him for nothing.

 
Cliff Clavin said:
Northern Voice said:
Is it common for NBA GM's to admit they had their eyes on a guy and were disappointed they didn't get him? I grew up with hockey, where every player that every team selects "was at the top of the board" and "the guy they targeted from the start", so it's a bit jarring for me to see Masai Ujiri admitting the Raptors were basically heartbroken not to get Tyler Ennis.
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Not really but I don't think it means anything. Ujiri has been pretty open with his opinions. Had he taken a player who'd have been coming to the team immediately, I doubt he says it.
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After shaking off my initial disappointment w/r to missing on Ennis and Harris, and only bringing in Bruno instead of two guys (20 and 22), I'm feeling ok with this pick now. I think Ujiri is focused on getting assets, which our team is sorely lacking right now, instead of just filling out spots. From what I've seen of most of the players picked after 20, some have potential to be decent players but most are likely to be JAG's. With his physical make up, Bruno has a chance to be more valuable than most of those guys, while of course having a much much higher likelihood that he is a worthless bust.

So I'm kind of glad Ujiri is not taking the treadmill approach. I'm not interested in building a team that's going to possibly win a round in the playoffs. I want a team that has a chance to compete. Our only real assets right now are Derozan and Valanciunas. They aren't bad players, but hardly a core upon which you can build a contender. Lowry if he resigns would be a nice piece but we have no idea what he's going to do at this point and how much he will cost. We don't need pieces, we need difference makers.

 
Cliff Clavin said:
Northern Voice said:
Is it common for NBA GM's to admit they had their eyes on a guy and were disappointed they didn't get him? I grew up with hockey, where every player that every team selects "was at the top of the board" and "the guy they targeted from the start", so it's a bit jarring for me to see Masai Ujiri admitting the Raptors were basically heartbroken not to get Tyler Ennis.
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Not really but I don't think it means anything. Ujiri has been pretty open with his opinions. Had he taken a player who'd have been coming to the team immediately, I doubt he says it.
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I thought that his follow-up comment of #### TJ Warren was a little over the top, though.

 
hxperson said:
Cliff Clavin said:
Northern Voice said:
Is it common for NBA GM's to admit they had their eyes on a guy and were disappointed they didn't get him? I grew up with hockey, where every player that every team selects "was at the top of the board" and "the guy they targeted from the start", so it's a bit jarring for me to see Masai Ujiri admitting the Raptors were basically heartbroken not to get Tyler Ennis.
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Not really but I don't think it means anything. Ujiri has been pretty open with his opinions. Had he taken a player who'd have been coming to the team immediately, I doubt he says it.
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After shaking off my initial disappointment w/r to missing on Ennis and Harris, and only bringing in Bruno instead of two guys (20 and 22), I'm feeling ok with this pick now. I think Ujiri is focused on getting assets, which our team is sorely lacking right now, instead of just filling out spots. From what I've seen of most of the players picked after 20, some have potential to be decent players but most are likely to be JAG's. With his physical make up, Bruno has a chance to be more valuable than most of those guys, while of course having a much much higher likelihood that he is a worthless bust. So I'm kind of glad Ujiri is not taking the treadmill approach. I'm not interested in building a team that's going to possibly win a round in the playoffs. I want a team that has a chance to compete. Our only real assets right now are Derozan and Valanciunas. They aren't bad players, but hardly a core upon which you can build a contender. Lowry if he resigns would be a nice piece but we have no idea what he's going to do at this point and how much he will cost. We don't need pieces, we need difference makers.
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Believe in Masai

 
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modogg said:
metoo said:
The look on MCW face with that pick, priceless.
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yeah, he handled himself well. Sixers will be absolutely nasty in 2-3 years. I am fine being patient until then. Much rather be a legitimate contender then half of these teams that are in the lottery every year and get all giddy if they get a chance to make the playoffs.
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Unless of course Embid never gets fully healthy (50/50 chance I would say) and Saric either takes a step back over the next two years he is playing Europe or decides the Sixers are a train wreck and doesn't want to come over unless he is traded. At least a lottery pick next year is still likely. It's a big role of the dice for sure but I don't understand how you go into what the "experts" were saying was the deepest draft in years and not come out with one starter on a team that was 19-63 last year and could very well get little out of this draft the following year even if Emibid gets healthy.

 
SwampDawg said:
modogg said:
metoo said:
The look on MCW face with that pick, priceless.
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yeah, he handled himself well. Sixers will be absolutely nasty in 2-3 years. I am fine being patient until then. Much rather be a legitimate contender then half of these teams that are in the lottery every year and get all giddy if they get a chance to make the playoffs.
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Unless of course Embid never gets fully healthy (50/50 chance I would say) and Saric either takes a step back over the next two years he is playing Europe or decides the Sixers are a train wreck and doesn't want to come over unless he is traded. At least a lottery pick next year is still likely. It's a big role of the dice for sure but I don't understand how you go into what the "experts" were saying was the deepest draft in years and not come out with one starter on a team that was 19-63 last year and could very well get little out of this draft the following year even if Emibid gets healthy.
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They certainly COULD have taken a 2014 starter, but what's the point? Aaron Gordon or Marcus Smart to help them become a tidy 25-57? Meh.

 
SwampDawg said:
modogg said:
metoo said:
The look on MCW face with that pick, priceless.
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yeah, he handled himself well. Sixers will be absolutely nasty in 2-3 years. I am fine being patient until then. Much rather be a legitimate contender then half of these teams that are in the lottery every year and get all giddy if they get a chance to make the playoffs.
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Unless of course Embid never gets fully healthy (50/50 chance I would say) and Saric either takes a step back over the next two years he is playing Europe or decides the Sixers are a train wreck and doesn't want to come over unless he is traded. At least a lottery pick next year is still likely. It's a big role of the dice for sure but I don't understand how you go into what the "experts" were saying was the deepest draft in years and not come out with one starter on a team that was 19-63 last year and could very well get little out of this draft the following year even if Emibid gets healthy.
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It's pretty simple. You draft the most highly rated BIG that there has been in quite some time, you draft one of the most highly regarded Euros to come out in years, sit back and have another top 5 lottery pick come your way the next year. Not sure there is a better solution to build a contender from where they started a few years ago.

 
Buddy Ball 2K3 said:
SwampDawg said:
modogg said:
metoo said:
The look on MCW face with that pick, priceless.
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yeah, he handled himself well. Sixers will be absolutely nasty in 2-3 years. I am fine being patient until then. Much rather be a legitimate contender then half of these teams that are in the lottery every year and get all giddy if they get a chance to make the playoffs.
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Unless of course Embid never gets fully healthy (50/50 chance I would say) and Saric either takes a step back over the next two years he is playing Europe or decides the Sixers are a train wreck and doesn't want to come over unless he is traded. At least a lottery pick next year is still likely. It's a big role of the dice for sure but I don't understand how you go into what the "experts" were saying was the deepest draft in years and not come out with one starter on a team that was 19-63 last year and could very well get little out of this draft the following year even if Emibid gets healthy.
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It's pretty simple. You draft the most highly rated BIG that there has been in quite some time, you draft one of the most highly regarded Euros to come out in years, sit back and have another top 5 lottery pick come your way the next year. Not sure there is a better solution to build a contender from where they started a few years ago.
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And if nothing else Hinkie has turned Jrue Holiday into Noel, Saric a 1 and a 2. You have to start somewhere and the plan is very clear IMO

I pretty much just tell myself that we drafted MCW last year and Noel this year.

 
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