*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (4 Viewers)

[the moops]

Celts get 2016 CLE first round pick.

Not a bad haul for BOS for helping teams move some money around.

And Zeller should have a decent career as a backup big. Even Thornton isn't a bad player.

Wonder how many of the 100 firsts Danny has he can send to MIN for Love

 

[Bobcat10]

Celts get 2016 CLE first round pick.

Not a bad haul for BOS for helping teams move some money around.

Nice haul. Marcus final year and Zeller isn't garbage...and the 1st.

 

[metoo]

CLE shedding salary for Lebron obviously to get their heart broken when LeBron doesn't sign with them.

 

[the moops]

Interesting if the #1 is unprotected, haven't read one way or the other yet.

It'll be protected, I imagine.

Top 10 in '16, '17, '18. Unprotected in '19

 

[MAC_32]

Top 10 protected 16-18, unprotected in 19.

Interesting timing of that unprotected pick.

 

[RUSF18]

Random question...can a team remove protection from a pick after the spot is determined? Let's say Cleveland ends up at #9 in 2018, and doesn't particularly like what the options are, can they give Boston the pick instead of rolling the dice on the unprotected pick the following year?

 

[Timmay]

So Bosh to Houston, Bron Bron/Ray Allen to Cleveland, Miami stuck with Wade, Mcbob, Haslem, Granger and Shabazz as a starting 5 is looking more and more possible.

 

[Kev4029]

Random question...can a team remove protection from a pick after the spot is determined? Let's say Cleveland ends up at #9 in 2018, and doesn't particularly like what the options are, can they give Boston the pick instead of rolling the dice on the unprotected pick the following year?

Probably not, unless Boston agreed to it.

 

[NutterButter]

And another chip gets moved into place for Lebron going back to the Cavs.

 

[NutterButter]

So Bosh to Houston, Bron Bron/Ray Allen to Cleveland, Miami stuck with Wade, Mcbob, Haslem, Granger and Shabazz as a starting 5 is looking more and more possible.

Makes the most sense.

 

[Bobcat10]

Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard 1m
Sources: Cavs pursuing Ray Allen

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Wonder if these guys are Blatt-approved. A Turk, Dane and Russian.

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 15s
In 3-way, Cavs get: Draft rights to Nets prospects: Karaman/Drejer/Bavcic. And cap space -- more than the $20.7M needed -- to sign James.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

And another chip gets moved into place for Lebron going back to the Cavs.

I'm hearing Todem has dropped his confidence level to 99.98%

 

[metoo]

So Bosh to Houston, Bron Bron/Ray Allen to Cleveland, Miami stuck with Wade, Mcbob, Haslem, Granger and Shabazz as a starting 5 is looking more and more possible.

If Bosh goes to Houston, Melo goes to Miami.

 

[NutterButter]

And another chip gets moved into place for Lebron going back to the Cavs.

I'm hearing Todem has dropped his confidence level to 99.98%

I thought his confidence level goes up when news comes in disputing his predictions? His problem is that he peaked too early. At 99.99%, he can't go up any further.

 

[the moops]

So Bosh to Houston, Bron Bron/Ray Allen to Cleveland, Miami stuck with Wade, Mcbob, Haslem, Granger and Shabazz as a starting 5 is looking more and more possible.

If Bosh goes to Houston, Melo goes to Miami.

No Bosh and no Lebron, that MIA team is worse than the LAL team.

I think he goes to Lakers or Knicks. No way he goes down to Miami

 

[NutterButter]

So Bosh to Houston, Bron Bron/Ray Allen to Cleveland, Miami stuck with Wade, Mcbob, Haslem, Granger and Shabazz as a starting 5 is looking more and more possible.

If Bosh goes to Houston, Melo goes to Miami.

No Bosh and no Lebron, that MIA team is worse than the LAL team.

I think he goes to Lakers or Knicks. No way he goes down to Miami

Anything is possible with that guy. Winning clearly isn't a priority for him. He might like the beaches in Miami.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

And another chip gets moved into place for Lebron going back to the Cavs.

I'm hearing Todem has dropped his confidence level to 99.98%

I thought his confidence level goes up when news comes in disputing his predictions? His problem is that he peaked too early. At 99.99%, he can't go up any further.

Good point. Although he could go to 99.999%.

 

[tommyGunZ]

So Bosh to Houston, Bron Bron/Ray Allen to Cleveland, Miami stuck with Wade, Mcbob, Haslem, Granger and Shabazz as a starting 5 is looking more and more possible.

If Bosh goes to Houston, Melo goes to Miami.

No Bosh and no Lebron, that MIA team is worse than the LAL team.I think he goes to Lakers or Knicks. No way he goes down to Miami

Anything is possible with that guy. Winning clearly isn't a priority for him. He might like the beaches in Miami.

The Melo hate is so over the top it's ridiculous.

 

[metoo]

So Bosh to Houston, Bron Bron/Ray Allen to Cleveland, Miami stuck with Wade, Mcbob, Haslem, Granger and Shabazz as a starting 5 is looking more and more possible.

If Bosh goes to Houston, Melo goes to Miami.

No Bosh and no Lebron, that MIA team is worse than the LAL team.

I think he goes to Lakers or Knicks. No way he goes down to Miami

LeBron and Melo in Miami.

 

[scoobus]

Celts get 2016 CLE first round pick.

Not a bad haul for BOS for helping teams move some money around.

Nice haul. Marcus final year and Zeller isn't garbage...and the 1st.

Eh, he's not not garbage. But obviously a good trade for Boston regardless.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

So Bosh to Houston, Bron Bron/Ray Allen to Cleveland, Miami stuck with Wade, Mcbob, Haslem, Granger and Shabazz as a starting 5 is looking more and more possible.

If Bosh goes to Houston, Melo goes to Miami.

No Bosh and no Lebron, that MIA team is worse than the LAL team.I think he goes to Lakers or Knicks. No way he goes down to Miami

McRoberts is better than anyone on the Lakers roster.

 

[NutterButter]

So Bosh to Houston, Bron Bron/Ray Allen to Cleveland, Miami stuck with Wade, Mcbob, Haslem, Granger and Shabazz as a starting 5 is looking more and more possible.

If Bosh goes to Houston, Melo goes to Miami.

No Bosh and no Lebron, that MIA team is worse than the LAL team.I think he goes to Lakers or Knicks. No way he goes down to Miami

Anything is possible with that guy. Winning clearly isn't a priority for him. He might like the beaches in Miami.

The Melo hate is so over the top it's ridiculous.

Not hating. Just stating a fact that when you're choosing between NY and LA, winning isn't a high priority. I know you're an LA homer, but that team isn't no where near cracking the top 4 in the West with Melo.

 

[Kev4029]

So Bosh to Houston, Bron Bron/Ray Allen to Cleveland, Miami stuck with Wade, Mcbob, Haslem, Granger and Shabazz as a starting 5 is looking more and more possible.

If Bosh goes to Houston, Melo goes to Miami.

No Bosh and no Lebron, that MIA team is worse than the LAL team.

I think he goes to Lakers or Knicks. No way he goes down to Miami

Anything is possible with that guy. Winning clearly isn't a priority for him. He might like the beaches in Miami.

Why do you say that?

 

[thecatch]

So Bosh to Houston, Bron Bron/Ray Allen to Cleveland, Miami stuck with Wade, Mcbob, Haslem, Granger and Shabazz as a starting 5 is looking more and more possible.

If Bosh goes to Houston, Melo goes to Miami.

No Bosh and no Lebron, that MIA team is worse than the LAL team.I think he goes to Lakers or Knicks. No way he goes down to Miami

Anything is possible with that guy. Winning clearly isn't a priority for him. He might like the beaches in Miami.

The Melo hate is so over the top it's ridiculous.

If he chooses LA or a Lebron-less Miami over HOU and CHI, where do you think winning ranks on his list of priorities?

 

[NutterButter]

So Bosh to Houston, Bron Bron/Ray Allen to Cleveland, Miami stuck with Wade, Mcbob, Haslem, Granger and Shabazz as a starting 5 is looking more and more possible.

If Bosh goes to Houston, Melo goes to Miami.

No Bosh and no Lebron, that MIA team is worse than the LAL team.

I think he goes to Lakers or Knicks. No way he goes down to Miami

Anything is possible with that guy. Winning clearly isn't a priority for him. He might like the beaches in Miami.

Why do you say that?

Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but when you're two top choices are NY and LA, two teams that have a zero chance of reaching an NBA finals, you're not too concerned about winning.

 

[NutterButter]

So Bosh to Houston, Bron Bron/Ray Allen to Cleveland, Miami stuck with Wade, Mcbob, Haslem, Granger and Shabazz as a starting 5 is looking more and more possible.

If Bosh goes to Houston, Melo goes to Miami.

No Bosh and no Lebron, that MIA team is worse than the LAL team.I think he goes to Lakers or Knicks. No way he goes down to Miami

Anything is possible with that guy. Winning clearly isn't a priority for him. He might like the beaches in Miami.

The Melo hate is so over the top it's ridiculous.

If he chooses LA or a Lebron-less Miami over HOU and CHI, where do you think winning ranks on his list of priorities?

Exactly. Its not like he doesn't have options that involve contenders.

 

[tommyGunZ]

So Bosh to Houston, Bron Bron/Ray Allen to Cleveland, Miami stuck with Wade, Mcbob, Haslem, Granger and Shabazz as a starting 5 is looking more and more possible.

If Bosh goes to Houston, Melo goes to Miami.

No Bosh and no Lebron, that MIA team is worse than the LAL team.I think he goes to Lakers or Knicks. No way he goes down to Miami

McRoberts is better than anyone on the Lakers roster.

Don't fish with dynamite Clifford.

 

[Kev4029]

So Bosh to Houston, Bron Bron/Ray Allen to Cleveland, Miami stuck with Wade, Mcbob, Haslem, Granger and Shabazz as a starting 5 is looking more and more possible.

If Bosh goes to Houston, Melo goes to Miami.

No Bosh and no Lebron, that MIA team is worse than the LAL team.I think he goes to Lakers or Knicks. No way he goes down to Miami

Anything is possible with that guy. Winning clearly isn't a priority for him. He might like the beaches in Miami.

The Melo hate is so over the top it's ridiculous.

Not hating. Just stating a fact that when you're choosing between NY and LA, winning isn't a high priority. I know you're an LA homer, but that team isn't no where near cracking the top 4 in the West with Melo.

Don't be fooled, money is the number one priority for every player in the NBA.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

So Bosh to Houston, Bron Bron/Ray Allen to Cleveland, Miami stuck with Wade, Mcbob, Haslem, Granger and Shabazz as a starting 5 is looking more and more possible.

If Bosh goes to Houston, Melo goes to Miami.

No Bosh and no Lebron, that MIA team is worse than the LAL team.I think he goes to Lakers or Knicks. No way he goes down to Miami

McRoberts is better than anyone on the Lakers roster.

Don't fish with dynamite Clifford.

He is.

Two cripples, Bobby Sacre and Marshall. The bar isn't set too high.

 

[NutterButter]

So Bosh to Houston, Bron Bron/Ray Allen to Cleveland, Miami stuck with Wade, Mcbob, Haslem, Granger and Shabazz as a starting 5 is looking more and more possible.

If Bosh goes to Houston, Melo goes to Miami.

No Bosh and no Lebron, that MIA team is worse than the LAL team.I think he goes to Lakers or Knicks. No way he goes down to Miami

Anything is possible with that guy. Winning clearly isn't a priority for him. He might like the beaches in Miami.

The Melo hate is so over the top it's ridiculous.

Not hating. Just stating a fact that when you're choosing between NY and LA, winning isn't a high priority. I know you're an LA homer, but that team isn't no where near cracking the top 4 in the West with Melo.

Don't be fooled, money is the number one priority for every player in the NBA.

Don't tell some of the spurs players that. Some guys will actually shave some millions off to play for a winner. Didn't Lebron do that in Miami?

 

[Guest]

Bosh-Bron

 

[Kev4029]

So Bosh to Houston, Bron Bron/Ray Allen to Cleveland, Miami stuck with Wade, Mcbob, Haslem, Granger and Shabazz as a starting 5 is looking more and more possible.

If Bosh goes to Houston, Melo goes to Miami.

No Bosh and no Lebron, that MIA team is worse than the LAL team.I think he goes to Lakers or Knicks. No way he goes down to Miami

Anything is possible with that guy. Winning clearly isn't a priority for him. He might like the beaches in Miami.

The Melo hate is so over the top it's ridiculous.

Not hating. Just stating a fact that when you're choosing between NY and LA, winning isn't a high priority. I know you're an LA homer, but that team isn't no where near cracking the top 4 in the West with Melo.

Don't be fooled, money is the number one priority for every player in the NBA.

Don't tell some of the spurs players that. Some guys will actually shave some millions off to play for a winner. Didn't Lebron do that in Miami?

Why didn't they take the minimum to have a better chance at winning the title. Its not that money is the only factor, but its certainly the biggest one.

 

[TobiasFunke]

So Bosh to Houston, Bron Bron/Ray Allen to Cleveland, Miami stuck with Wade, Mcbob, Haslem, Granger and Shabazz as a starting 5 is looking more and more possible.

If Bosh goes to Houston, Melo goes to Miami.

No Bosh and no Lebron, that MIA team is worse than the LAL team.

I think he goes to Lakers or Knicks. No way he goes down to Miami

Anything is possible with that guy. Winning clearly isn't a priority for him. He might like the beaches in Miami.

Why do you say that?

Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but when you're two top choices are NY and LA, two teams that have a zero chance of reaching an NBA finals, you're not too concerned about winning.

There's different ways to be "concerned about winning." Maybe he wants to win in his adopted hometown and allow the team to build around him and he thinks that would be a more rewarding way to win than simply moving to the team that maximizes his chances at a ring. Isn't that what all the Jordan and Kobe fans thought was so great about their guys when LeBron left Cleveland for Miami? That they stuck with their organizations and allowed them to build from within instead of jumping ship to the best situation possible?

I know he already left Denver. And I have no idea if he actually thinks that way. Just saying it's more complicated than just choosing to win vs. choosing a cool city.

 

[Premier]

Boy I sure hope Todem is a good sport about all of this.

 

[NutterButter]

So Bosh to Houston, Bron Bron/Ray Allen to Cleveland, Miami stuck with Wade, Mcbob, Haslem, Granger and Shabazz as a starting 5 is looking more and more possible.

If Bosh goes to Houston, Melo goes to Miami.

No Bosh and no Lebron, that MIA team is worse than the LAL team.

I think he goes to Lakers or Knicks. No way he goes down to Miami

Anything is possible with that guy. Winning clearly isn't a priority for him. He might like the beaches in Miami.

Why do you say that?

Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but when you're two top choices are NY and LA, two teams that have a zero chance of reaching an NBA finals, you're not too concerned about winning.

There's different ways to be "concerned about winning." Maybe he wants to win in his adopted hometown and allow the team to build around him and he thinks that would be a more rewarding way to win than simply moving to the team that maximizes his chances at a ring. Isn't that what all the Jordan and Kobe fans thought was so great about their guys when LeBron left Cleveland for Miami? That they stuck with their organizations and allowed them to build from within instead of jumping ship to the best situation possible?

I know he already left Denver. And I have no idea if he actually thinks that way. Just saying it's more complicated than just choosing to win vs. choosing a cool city.

He's getting a little long in the tooth for that

 

[NutterButter]

So Bosh to Houston, Bron Bron/Ray Allen to Cleveland, Miami stuck with Wade, Mcbob, Haslem, Granger and Shabazz as a starting 5 is looking more and more possible.

If Bosh goes to Houston, Melo goes to Miami.

No Bosh and no Lebron, that MIA team is worse than the LAL team.I think he goes to Lakers or Knicks. No way he goes down to Miami

Anything is possible with that guy. Winning clearly isn't a priority for him. He might like the beaches in Miami.

The Melo hate is so over the top it's ridiculous.

Not hating. Just stating a fact that when you're choosing between NY and LA, winning isn't a high priority. I know you're an LA homer, but that team isn't no where near cracking the top 4 in the West with Melo.

Don't be fooled, money is the number one priority for every player in the NBA.

Don't tell some of the spurs players that. Some guys will actually shave some millions off to play for a winner. Didn't Lebron do that in Miami?

Why didn't they take the minimum to have a better chance at winning the title. Its not that money is the only factor, but its certainly the biggest one.

Uh, they did win the title. Its certainly a balancing act. But when you take a lot of money and play for a really mediocre team and then do it again, you clearly prioritize money a lot more than winning. At this stage in his career, if he was really that concerned about winning with all the money he's already made, he'd take less money and go and play for a contender.

 

[TobiasFunke]

So Bosh to Houston, Bron Bron/Ray Allen to Cleveland, Miami stuck with Wade, Mcbob, Haslem, Granger and Shabazz as a starting 5 is looking more and more possible.

If Bosh goes to Houston, Melo goes to Miami.

No Bosh and no Lebron, that MIA team is worse than the LAL team.

I think he goes to Lakers or Knicks. No way he goes down to Miami

Anything is possible with that guy. Winning clearly isn't a priority for him. He might like the beaches in Miami.

Why do you say that?

Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but when you're two top choices are NY and LA, two teams that have a zero chance of reaching an NBA finals, you're not too concerned about winning.

There's different ways to be "concerned about winning." Maybe he wants to win in his adopted hometown and allow the team to build around him and he thinks that would be a more rewarding way to win than simply moving to the team that maximizes his chances at a ring. Isn't that what all the Jordan and Kobe fans thought was so great about their guys when LeBron left Cleveland for Miami? That they stuck with their organizations and allowed them to build from within instead of jumping ship to the best situation possible?

I know he already left Denver. And I have no idea if he actually thinks that way. Just saying it's more complicated than just choosing to win vs. choosing a cool city.

He's getting a little long in the tooth for that

Yeah, I know. Just saying as simple as prioritizing winning vs lifestyle or whatever. There's a lot of variables that could be at play. Winning isn't just some uniform concept that means the same thing regardless of circumstances. For example, I'm sure LeBron is very happy about getting two rings, but I suspect he'd have felt even more satisfaction if it had happened in Cleveland. Point is, you can't just say he prioritizes other things over winning if he stays in NY. Now if he leaves for LA, I got nothing.

 

[Bobcat10]

Now the Love #### is getting crazy up here.

 

[Vykng]

Sam Amico‏@SamAmicoFSO

The Cavs are pursuing free agent shooting guard Mike Miller, sources tell @FOXSportsOH.

Chris Broussard

Verified account‏@Chris_Broussard
Sources: Cavs pursuing Ray Allen

 

[Timmay]

So Bosh to Houston, Bron Bron/Ray Allen to Cleveland, Miami stuck with Wade, Mcbob, Haslem, Granger and Shabazz as a starting 5 is looking more and more possible.

If Bosh goes to Houston, Melo goes to Miami.

No Bosh and no Lebron, that MIA team is worse than the LAL team.

I think he goes to Lakers or Knicks. No way he goes down to Miami

Anything is possible with that guy. Winning clearly isn't a priority for him. He might like the beaches in Miami.

Why do you say that?

Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but when you're two top choices are NY and LA, two teams that have a zero chance of reaching an NBA finals, you're not too concerned about winning.

There's different ways to be "concerned about winning." Maybe he wants to win in his adopted hometown and allow the team to build around him and he thinks that would be a more rewarding way to win than simply moving to the team that maximizes his chances at a ring. Isn't that what all the Jordan and Kobe fans thought was so great about their guys when LeBron left Cleveland for Miami? That they stuck with their organizations and allowed them to build from within instead of jumping ship to the best situation possible?

I know he already left Denver. And I have no idea if he actually thinks that way. Just saying it's more complicated than just choosing to win vs. choosing a cool city.

He's getting a little long in the tooth for that

Yeah, I know. Just saying as simple as prioritizing winning vs lifestyle or whatever. There's a lot of variables that could be at play. Winning isn't just some uniform concept that means the same thing regardless of circumstances. For example, I'm sure LeBron is very happy about getting two rings, but I suspect he'd have felt even more satisfaction if it had happened in Cleveland. Point is, you can't just say he prioritizes other things over winning if he stays in NY. Now if he leaves for LA, I got nothing.

I strongly believe that LaLa (Melo's wife) has a bigger say in this situation than Melo does. I think Melo will end up staying in NY only because the dominoes will start to fall after Lebron decides to either stay in Miami (therefore Bosh will stay in Miami, no room for Melo in Miami) or go to Cleveland (no room for Melo).

 

[Frostillicus]

So either Lebron to Cleveland is already in place or Cavs management are completely idiots, right? Both completely possible.

 

[thecatch]

Sam Amico‏@SamAmicoFSO

The Cavs are pursuing free agent shooting guard Mike Miller, sources tell @FOXSportsOH.

Chris Broussard



45]

Verified account‏@Chris_Broussard

Sources: Cavs pursuing Ray Allen

Waiters probably gets moved in this scenario, right?

 

[Kev4029]

So Bosh to Houston, Bron Bron/Ray Allen to Cleveland, Miami stuck with Wade, Mcbob, Haslem, Granger and Shabazz as a starting 5 is looking more and more possible.

If Bosh goes to Houston, Melo goes to Miami.

No Bosh and no Lebron, that MIA team is worse than the LAL team.I think he goes to Lakers or Knicks. No way he goes down to Miami

Anything is possible with that guy. Winning clearly isn't a priority for him. He might like the beaches in Miami.

The Melo hate is so over the top it's ridiculous.

Not hating. Just stating a fact that when you're choosing between NY and LA, winning isn't a high priority. I know you're an LA homer, but that team isn't no where near cracking the top 4 in the West with Melo.

Don't be fooled, money is the number one priority for every player in the NBA.

Don't tell some of the spurs players that. Some guys will actually shave some millions off to play for a winner. Didn't Lebron do that in Miami?

Why didn't they take the minimum to have a better chance at winning the title. Its not that money is the only factor, but its certainly the biggest one.

Uh, they did win the title. Its certainly a balancing act. But when you take a lot of money and play for a really mediocre team and then do it again, you clearly prioritize money a lot more than winning. At this stage in his career, if he was really that concerned about winning with all the money he's already made, he'd take less money and go and play for a contender.

How much less and for how much better of a chance? Its not like he can just take 30 million less and go sign with Chicago for a guaranteed championship.

 

[TobiasFunke]

So either Lebron to Cleveland is already in place or Cavs management are completely idiots, right? Both completely possible.

I think he's genuinely undecided at the moment. If that's the case the deal seems OK to me even if it's for only a 25% chance of LeBron or something. Not like that cap space goes to waste if LeBron doesn't occupy it.

 

[MAC_32]

So either Lebron to Cleveland is already in place or Cavs management are completely idiots, right? Both completely possible.

Bullseye.

 

[Kev4029]

So either Lebron to Cleveland is already in place or Cavs management are completely idiots, right? Both completely possible.

Cavs management are probably complete idiots regardless.

 

[Bobcat10]

So either Lebron to Cleveland is already in place or Cavs management are completely idiots, right? Both completely possible.

If they trade for Love without assurance from Lebron...they are off their rocker. They can't just hand over Wiggins on a hunch.

I don't think the Jack Zeller trade is bad if Lebron stays in Miami for a year.

 

[Frostillicus]

So either Lebron to Cleveland is already in place or Cavs management are completely idiots, right? Both completely possible.

If they trade for Love without assurance from Lebron...they are off their rocker. They can't just hand over Wiggins on a hunch.

I don't think the Jack Zeller trade is bad if Lebron stays in Miami for a year.

Wait, we're getting Wiggins now?

 

[tommyGunZ]

So according to NutterButterLogic, if LeBron signs with Miami or Cleveland instead of signing with San Antonio for the minimum, winning isn't a priority.

 

[SWC]

dan gilbert is not a good guy and i hope that he sells the team or loses it in a high stakes poker game to someone awesome like patton oswald he was great in walter mitty take that to the bank brohans