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[the moops]

For the next 5 years, Love >>>>>>> Wiggins

That's why you make the trade

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Lol queer

 

[tommyGunZ]

For the next 5 years, Love >>>>>>> Wiggins

That's why you make the trade

You're underestimating Wiggins moops.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Sad to read on nba.com that good ole former Laker Michael Cooper has tongue cancer. Thankfully it was caught early!

Which teams are we rooting for next year?

All of them

 

[biggamer3]

reading Nuggets were involved in Love deals. Wtf can they offer that is even close to Wiggins?

 

[Frostillicus]

reading Nuggets were involved in Love deals. Wtf can they offer that is even close to Wiggins?

Their offer is Faried, Chandler, and something else. It's a terrible offer, but it keeps getting mentioned for some reason. It's behind the Cavs good offer, the Golden State good offer, the Bulls offer, the Celtics offer, and even the Cavs non-Wiggins offer. All rumored of course, but if you believe the reports that's where it stands.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

What's the rumored Bulls offer?

 

[Abraham]

What's the rumored Bulls offer?

Gibson, butler, and some other stuff.

 

[Abraham]

For the next 5 years, Love >>>>>>> Wiggins

That's why you make the trade

You're underestimating Wiggins moops.

Agree. But love is the better choice for the next 2 years, which I think is important.

 

[Premier]

Gunz always overrates young unknown talent.

What are the odds that Wiggins is ever better than Love is right now? 10%?

I think Wiggins has a chance to be very good, even a multiple All Star, but Love is great right now. AND young.

The only way this should be a debate is if Love were 30 or 31. Otherwise this is dumb.

 

[Abraham]

Gunz always overrates young unknown talent.

What are the odds that Wiggins is ever better than Love is right now? 10%?

I think Wiggins has a chance to be very good, even a multiple All Star, but Love is great right now. AND young.

The only way this should be a debate is if Love were 30 or 31. Otherwise this is dumb.

I don't disagree. That said, the wolves aren't trading the next decade of Kevin Love because they don't have that. They have the next year, which is obviously a lot less valuable. The suitors have a different angle - that they will be able to keep him a while.

It will be interesting to see how it plays out. I think he gets traded in the middle of October.

 

[Village Idiot]

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You have out Abe'd Abe with this one.

Be right back, off to take out more fire insurance on the Target Center.

 

[Village Idiot]

If the Wolves want to send Kevin Martin out with Love, the Cavs would need to include both Waiters and Thompson so you can cross that one off for sure. If they want to send the Cavs Barea then either Waiters OR Thompson would have to be included. Don't see that happening either, but maybe that happens in lieu of a #1 going Minnesota's way?

Or maybe they do sign Wiggins so his salary counts in the trade?

Waiting 30 days after signing Wiggins shouldn't be a deal breaker, unless the Cavs are nervous that another team would come up with a better offer while they wait.

 

[Village Idiot]

Sad to read on nba.com that good ole former Laker Michael Cooper has tongue cancer. Thankfully it was caught early!

Which teams are we rooting for next year?

Can't be determined until the trade deadline hits in February.

You never know who may go where.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Gunz always overrates young unknown talent.

What are the odds that Wiggins is ever better than Love is right now? 10%?

I think Wiggins has a chance to be very good, even a multiple All Star, but Love is great right now. AND young.

The only way this should be a debate is if Love were 30 or 31. Otherwise this is dumb.

I'd go a lot higher than 10%. Take a look through the 1.1s over the last 20 years and you'll agree. Especially if you eliminate the weak draft years like 2005, 2006 and 2013 where someone defaulted to 1.1 because 2014 obviously doesn't fall into that category. I count six guys in the last 20 years who have a good case that they were better at some point than Love is right now (or clearly will be in the case of Davis). So that's 30% even before you eliminate the weak drafts.

As much as people like to criticize NBA scouts and the draft and call the whole thing a crapshoot, they fact is that they're right a lot more often than not. They've been hyping Wiggins as the next big thing for a year and a half now, chances are pretty good that he'll be an all-star within a few years and they're definitely higher than 10% that he'll be a first team all-NBA candidate.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

If the Wolves want to send Kevin Martin out with Love, the Cavs would need to include both Waiters and Thompson so you can cross that one off for sure. If they want to send the Cavs Barea then either Waiters OR Thompson would have to be included. Don't see that happening either, but maybe that happens in lieu of a #1 going Minnesota's way?

Or maybe they do sign Wiggins so his salary counts in the trade?Waiting 30 days after signing Wiggins shouldn't be a deal breaker, unless the Cavs are nervous that another team would come up with a better offer while they wait.

My understanding is that most GMs take August off for vacation anyway. Maybe they come to a deal in principle, but it will probably be a quiet month.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Here's the list of 1.1.s. In a strong draft year you're basically getting a guaranteed all-star. Also remember that Durant was 1.2 in 2007 and was basically the Andrew Wiggins of that draft with Embiid playing the Oden role.

 

[wadegarrett]

Can one of you meatheads explain Love's current contract and fill me in on how the Cavs can't get 'Boozered' in this whole deal. This is the part that is making me very nervous.

 

[Boston]

This whole Love/Wiggins thing is pretty simple...with LeBron back their goal is to win now...Love easily gives them a better chance in the short-term which is the primary concern...Wiggins could turn out to be a legit stud but it most likely won't happen for a few years...the kid did not dominate at the college level so the chances he is an all-star from day 1 in the NBA are somewhat slim...also, Love is still very young himself...in reading these posts it's like he's a 32 year old on the back nine when in-fact he may not have even played his best ball yet...trading Wiggins is not an easy thing to do but the only focus Cleveland should have is winning now and making sure Lebron is not a two-year rental...bringing in a young stud with a proven track record in the NBA helps them accomplish that goal far more than waiting on a young talent like Wiggins to develop...

 

[thecatch]

Gunz always overrates young unknown talent.

What are the odds that Wiggins is ever better than Love is right now? 10%?

I think Wiggins has a chance to be very good, even a multiple All Star, but Love is great right now. AND young.

The only way this should be a debate is if Love were 30 or 31. Otherwise this is dumb.

I'd go a lot higher than 10%. Take a look through the 1.1s over the last 20 years and you'll agree. Especially if you eliminate the weak draft years like 2005, 2006 and 2013 where someone defaulted to 1.1 because 2014 obviously doesn't fall into that category. I count six guys in the last 20 years who have a good case that they were better at some point than Love is right now (or clearly will be in the case of Davis). So that's 30% even before you eliminate the weak drafts.

As much as people like to criticize NBA scouts and the draft and call the whole thing a crapshoot, they fact is that they're right a lot more often than not. They've been hyping Wiggins as the next big thing for a year and a half now, chances are pretty good that he'll be an all-star within a few years and they're definitely higher than 10% that he'll be a first team all-NBA candidate.

Agree with this. Plus, even if he's only 75% as "good" as Love, there's a decent chance his skill set will compliment this particular team better than Love's. And there's also the cap/luxury tax flexibility Wiggins is giving them. Lots of people are just looking at Love's fantasy numbers and oversimplifying this.

 

[Sammy3469]

Gunz always overrates young unknown talent.

What are the odds that Wiggins is ever better than Love is right now? 10%?

I think Wiggins has a chance to be very good, even a multiple All Star, but Love is great right now. AND young.

The only way this should be a debate is if Love were 30 or 31. Otherwise this is dumb.

I'd go a lot higher than 10%. Take a look through the 1.1s over the last 20 years and you'll agree. Especially if you eliminate the weak draft years like 2005, 2006 and 2013 where someone defaulted to 1.1 because 2014 obviously doesn't fall into that category. I count six guys in the last 20 years who have a good case that they were better at some point than Love is right now (or clearly will be in the case of Davis). So that's 30% even before you eliminate the weak drafts.

As much as people like to criticize NBA scouts and the draft and call the whole thing a crapshoot, they fact is that they're right a lot more often than not. They've been hyping Wiggins as the next big thing for a year and a half now, chances are pretty good that he'll be an all-star within a few years and they're definitely higher than 10% that he'll be a first team all-NBA candidate.

I was going to say something similar. Plus you have cheap control of the guy. Bennett is coloring a lot of the analysis when #1 picks are about as sure a thing's as there are in the NBA. I'm sure there's some stat-head blog out there that is making the case that a cost controlled Wiggins is worth more than a max-contract Love.

 

[Premier]

Here's the list of 1.1.s. In a strong draft year you're basically getting a guaranteed all-star. Also remember that Durant was 1.2 in 2007 and was basically the Andrew Wiggins of that draft with Embiid playing the Oden role.

Going back to 2000 the only ones I see that have been clearly better at some point than Love is right now are Lebron, Dwight, maybe Rose for one year (?) and that's it. Blake and Davis could get there but aren't now. Way more busts there. Kenyon, Kwame, Bargnani, Oden, Bennett. Bogut, Wall and Irving aren't going to reach Love's level either.

So 21% with an outside chance of 35%? Still doesn't change my point at all.

 

[sporthenry]

Cavs just traded a 2nd rounder and a million bucks to Utah for 3 non-guaranteed contracts. Either this is getting close or the Cavs are taking a page from Houston's GMing manual.

Their getting ready to give the T Wolves a whole lot more then Wiggins, Flip Saunders will be hero when this deal is done

Nice jinx, jinxie

Not a jinx here, it's not the Cavs management calling the shots here to get Love, it's King James, and the T Wolves will get a Kings Ransom for James

And it isn't necessarily the Wolves management making the shots. Love has some say since at the very least, he needs to opt in for a second year. If he really wants, he can force his way to Cleveland.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Will Cleveland have the space to sign Love next year outright anyway?

 

[TobiasFunke]

Here's the list of 1.1.s. In a strong draft year you're basically getting a guaranteed all-star. Also remember that Durant was 1.2 in 2007 and was basically the Andrew Wiggins of that draft with Embiid playing the Oden role.

Going back to 2000 the only ones I see that have been clearly better at some point than Love is right now are Lebron, Dwight, maybe Rose for one year (?) and that's it. Blake and Davis could get there but aren't now.Way more busts there. Kenyon, Kwame, Bargnani, Oden, Bennett. Bogut, Wall and Irving aren't going to reach Love's level either.

So 21% with an outside chance of 35%? Still doesn't change my point at all.

That's still more than double what you said ... and that's with you choosing pretty much the worst possible cutoff with 2000. Go back 5 more years and you throw Iverson and Duncan into the mix. Go back another 10 years beyond my arbitrary 20 year cutoff and you add Webber, Shaq, David Robinson, Ewing and Olajuwon. You also have to include Davis, even though he's not quite there yet there's not a single person who watches the league closely who'd prefer Love to Davis going forward.

Plus you'll notice the the busts mostly come from weak draft classes. 2014 was not a weak draft class.

I'm not saying I'd keep Wiggins over Love (although I'm kind of talking myself into it), just saying that the idea that there's a much better chance that he reaches or exceeds Love's current level than you suggested.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Will Cleveland have the space to sign Love next year outright anyway?

No.

 

[sporthenry]

Will Cleveland have the space to sign Love next year outright anyway?

No. They'd essentially have to make a similar trade to what they are now offering to clear cap space.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Will Cleveland have the space to sign Love next year outright anyway?

Welcome to the thread!

 

[Sammy3469]

I'm not saying I'd keep Wiggins over Love (although I'm kind of talking myself into it), just saying that the idea that there's a much better chance that he reaches or exceeds Love's current level than you suggested.

It's not just that Wiggins may be good, it's that he already does one thing (wing defender) at an insanely high level, a level that will make him worth more than his contract is worth. It's not like Bennett from last year when everyone was questioning what he did well.

 

[No. 16]

Gunz always overrates young unknown talent.

What are the odds that Wiggins is ever better than Love is right now? 10%?

I think Wiggins has a chance to be very good, even a multiple All Star, but Love is great right now. AND young.

The only way this should be a debate is if Love were 30 or 31. Otherwise this is dumb.

This is a debate because Love plays only one side of the floor and Wiggins has the potential to be a two way beast.

If Love was even an average defender this would be a no brainer for anyone.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Love is an ok defender, tried defending this before, but say la vee. He's improved on offense and defense every year.

Also, I wonder what an nba comparison for Wiggins is right now: uber athletic, good (going no insanely for now), not a great shooter yet, especially from outside.

Ariza? Kawhi? Tony Allen?

I'm leaning towards a more athletic, worse shooting Ariza.

 

[sporthenry]

Can one of you meatheads explain Love's current contract and fill me in on how the Cavs can't get 'Boozered' in this whole deal. This is the part that is making me very nervous.

It isn't quite the same in the sense that Boozer was a RFA so they were trying to do what the Rockets did with Parsons this year. Problem with Boozer was he promised beforehand and reneged.

As far as Love, he can't do an extend and trade b/c of his Early Termination Option. But my understanding is that he can renounce this, essentially optioning in to the 2nd year. This makes the most sense b/c it gives him the same length of LeBron's contract. Only problem is that he is making 16.7 million in his 2nd year. So he'd probably leave a few million on the table for flexibility.

As far as getting screwed over, I think the Cavs could work on an extension whenever they want. There is no guarantee but usually a player's word is pretty good especially when LeBron is on the team. There have only been 2 extend and trades (Melo and Garnett) so most trades that occur like this have some risk. I can't think of anyone who promised to resign and didn't but I'm also not sure how many promised. Biggest name was probably Chris Paul.

 

[sporthenry]

Love is an ok defender, tried defending this before, but say la vee.

la vee

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Love is an ok defender, tried defending this before, but say la vee.

la vee

 

[pollardsvision]

Here's the list of 1.1.s. In a strong draft year you're basically getting a guaranteed all-star. Also remember that Durant was 1.2 in 2007 and was basically the Andrew Wiggins of that draft with Embiid playing the Oden role.

Going back to 2000 the only ones I see that have been clearly better at some point than Love is right now are Lebron, Dwight, maybe Rose for one year (?) and that's it. Blake and Davis could get there but aren't now.Way more busts there. Kenyon, Kwame, Bargnani, Oden, Bennett. Bogut, Wall and Irving aren't going to reach Love's level either.

So 21% with an outside chance of 35%? Still doesn't change my point at all.

That's still more than double what you said ... and that's with you choosing pretty much the worst possible cutoff with 2000. Go back 5 more years and you throw Iverson and Duncan into the mix. Go back another 10 years beyond my arbitrary 20 year cutoff and you add Webber, Shaq, David Robinson, Ewing and Olajuwon. You also have to include Davis, even though he's not quite there yet there's not a single person who watches the league closely who'd prefer Love to Davis going forward.

Plus you'll notice the the busts mostly come from weak draft classes. 2014 was not a weak draft class.

I'm not saying I'd keep Wiggins over Love (although I'm kind of talking myself into it), just saying that the idea that there's a much better chance that he reaches or exceeds Love's current level than you suggested.

I agree with pretty much everything you are saying, though I think the question is more.....how likely is it that Wiggins becomes a 10-win player in the next 3 years?

(Love's baseline is 10-wins, though he is coming off a 14-win season).

11 players since Magic have turned in a 10-win season by (and including) age 21 (5 did it by age 20). Shaq and LeBron were the only ones to do it twice.

If we want to call Love a 14-win player, that list drops to 4 (Shaq, Durant, LeBron, Jordan).

The list of 11 includes at least 6 of the 12 best players in NBA history. In fairness, it also includes Luol Deng (only player that didn't make multiple 1st team all-NBA teams, I think).

Anyway, just rambling, but obviously, fit and cap flexibility issues aside, if Wiggins becomes as good as Love anytime in the next 3 years, he'll be joining a very elite group of players.

 

[Premier]

Is Love worse at defending than Wiggins is on the offensive side of the court? He can't shoot. He can attack, sure, but that's Lebron and Kyrie's job.

I guess the more important question is if there us any chance Wiggins is better than Love in the next 2-4 seasons. When Lebron is 35 this won't likely matter as much.

 

[wadegarrett]

Can one of you meatheads explain Love's current contract and fill me in on how the Cavs can't get 'Boozered' in this whole deal. This is the part that is making me very nervous.

It isn't quite the same in the sense that Boozer was a RFA so they were trying to do what the Rockets did with Parsons this year. Problem with Boozer was he promised beforehand and reneged.

As far as Love, he can't do an extend and trade b/c of his Early Termination Option. But my understanding is that he can renounce this, essentially optioning in to the 2nd year. This makes the most sense b/c it gives him the same length of LeBron's contract. Only problem is that he is making 16.7 million in his 2nd year. So he'd probably leave a few million on the table for flexibility.

As far as getting screwed over, I think the Cavs could work on an extension whenever they want. There is no guarantee but usually a player's word is pretty good especially when LeBron is on the team. There have only been 2 extend and trades (Melo and Garnett) so most trades that occur like this have some risk. I can't think of anyone who promised to resign and didn't but I'm also not sure how many promised. Biggest name was probably Chris Paul.

Thanks. Makes me feel a little better but Love bolting in 2 yrs still has me uneasy about this trade. I guess an NBA title in the next 2 years would cure that real fast though.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Is Love worse at defending than Wiggins is on the offensive side of the court? He can't shoot. He can attack, sure, but that's Lebron and Kyrie's job.

I guess the more important question is if there us any chance Wiggins is better than Love in the next 2-4 seasons. When Lebron is 35 this won't likely matter as much.

Not just Wiggins vs Love over the next 2-4 seasons. Wiggins plus whoever they could add with the extra cap space vs Love.

Also I bet LeBron's still a top 5 player in the league at age 35. There's so much more to his game than athleticism. Did you read that Windhorst thing about his memory at ESPN today? Frightening.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Is Love worse at defending than Wiggins is on the offensive side of the court? He can't shoot. He can attack, sure, but that's Lebron and Kyrie's job.

I guess the more important question is if there us any chance Wiggins is better than Love in the next 2-4 seasons. When Lebron is 35 this won't likely matter as much.

Not just Wiggins vs Love over the next 2-4 seasons. Wiggins plus whoever they could add with the extra cap space vs Love.

Also I bet LeBron's still a top 5 player in the league at age 35. There's so much more to his game than athleticism. Did you read that Windhorst thing about his memory at ESPN today? Frightening.

They are at the cap limit. Are you talking about a different trade they could make?

 

[sporthenry]

Thanks. Makes me feel a little better but Love bolting in 2 yrs still has me uneasy about this trade. I guess an NBA title in the next 2 years would cure that real fast though.

True but LeBron is only signed for 2 more years. Everyone assumes it is for the new TV deal but he could just as well leave. I doubt he does but I wouldn't worry about it too much. LeBron is a good recruiter and people will want to play with him regardless. Besides, isn't Durant up in two years?

As an aside, Cavs fans are funny. Just enjoy the ride. You just got back the best player of our generation. Kept your AS PG and drafted one of the best prospects of the last 5 years. And you might get another one of the best players in the game.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Is Love worse at defending than Wiggins is on the offensive side of the court? He can't shoot. He can attack, sure, but that's Lebron and Kyrie's job.

I guess the more important question is if there us any chance Wiggins is better than Love in the next 2-4 seasons. When Lebron is 35 this won't likely matter as much.

Not just Wiggins vs Love over the next 2-4 seasons. Wiggins plus whoever they could add with the extra cap space vs Love.

Also I bet LeBron's still a top 5 player in the league at age 35. There's so much more to his game than athleticism. Did you read that Windhorst thing about his memory at ESPN today? Frightening.

They are at the cap limit. Are you talking about a different trade they could make?

Adding Love will move them towards the tax and apron whereas with Wiggins they'll likely still have a full MLE to use next year.

 

[Sammy3469]

Is Love worse at defending than Wiggins is on the offensive side of the court? He can't shoot. He can attack, sure, but that's Lebron and Kyrie's job.

I guess the more important question is if there us any chance Wiggins is better than Love in the next 2-4 seasons. When Lebron is 35 this won't likely matter as much.

Not just Wiggins vs Love over the next 2-4 seasons. Wiggins plus whoever they could add with the extra cap space vs Love.

Also I bet LeBron's still a top 5 player in the league at age 35. There's so much more to his game than athleticism. Did you read that Windhorst thing about his memory at ESPN today? Frightening.

They won't have much cap space with Wiggins though, correct. Irving's 30% contract (since odds are he'll be voted into the All-Star game) with Lebron basically eat up whatever space they'd have anyway.

If Love was a standard PF, there's no way Cleveland should do this, but he compliments Lebron/Irving so well that you do the deal if your Cle and live with the consequences.

 

[SWC]

i would sort of like to see labroni just play with the young guys they have there and really get a good thing going it would be fun to watch and good ofr his legacy if he can make a championship come with the guys he brought along and made better instead of just bringing in an already great player it would just sort of be miami north if you get my drift take that to the bank brohans

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Is Love worse at defending than Wiggins is on the offensive side of the court? He can't shoot. He can attack, sure, but that's Lebron and Kyrie's job.

I guess the more important question is if there us any chance Wiggins is better than Love in the next 2-4 seasons. When Lebron is 35 this won't likely matter as much.

Not just Wiggins vs Love over the next 2-4 seasons. Wiggins plus whoever they could add with the extra cap space vs Love.

Also I bet LeBron's still a top 5 player in the league at age 35. There's so much more to his game than athleticism. Did you read that Windhorst thing about his memory at ESPN today? Frightening.

They are at the cap limit. Are you talking about a different trade they could make?

Adding Love will move them towards the tax and apron whereas with Wiggins they'll likely still have a full MLE to use next year.

Right. So it's wiggins plus a mid level guy. I think people are thinking there's all this cap room if they don't get level.The only way they get love is via trade because then they can sign him over the cap level.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Is Love worse at defending than Wiggins is on the offensive side of the court? He can't shoot. He can attack, sure, but that's Lebron and Kyrie's job.

I guess the more important question is if there us any chance Wiggins is better than Love in the next 2-4 seasons. When Lebron is 35 this won't likely matter as much.

Not just Wiggins vs Love over the next 2-4 seasons. Wiggins plus whoever they could add with the extra cap space vs Love.

Also I bet LeBron's still a top 5 player in the league at age 35. There's so much more to his game than athleticism. Did you read that Windhorst thing about his memory at ESPN today? Frightening.

They are at the cap limit. Are you talking about a different trade they could make?

I'm talking about future seasons, on the assumption that Love would get a max-ish deal from Cleveland.

 

[JB Breakfast Club]

Is Love worse at defending than Wiggins is on the offensive side of the court? He can't shoot. He can attack, sure, but that's Lebron and Kyrie's job.

I guess the more important question is if there us any chance Wiggins is better than Love in the next 2-4 seasons. When Lebron is 35 this won't likely matter as much.

Not just Wiggins vs Love over the next 2-4 seasons. Wiggins plus whoever they could add with the extra cap space vs Love.

Also I bet LeBron's still a top 5 player in the league at age 35. There's so much more to his game than athleticism. Did you read that Windhorst thing about his memory at ESPN today? Frightening.

The deal isn't one for one. The Cavs are also dumping Bennett's guaranteed deal...based on what we saw last year, he's going to be overpaid on his rookie deal. So make it full analysis...the cap space difference isn't as big as you are saying.

 

[thecatch]

Is Love worse at defending than Wiggins is on the offensive side of the court? He can't shoot. He can attack, sure, but that's Lebron and Kyrie's job.

I guess the more important question is if there us any chance Wiggins is better than Love in the next 2-4 seasons. When Lebron is 35 this won't likely matter as much.

Not just Wiggins vs Love over the next 2-4 seasons. Wiggins plus whoever they could add with the extra cap space vs Love.

Also I bet LeBron's still a top 5 player in the league at age 35. There's so much more to his game than athleticism. Did you read that Windhorst thing about his memory at ESPN today? Frightening.

The deal isn't one for one. The Cavs are also dumping Bennett's guaranteed deal...based on what we saw last year, he's going to be overpaid on his rookie deal. So make it full analysis...the cap space difference isn't as big as you are saying.

Bennett is going to develop into a solid rotation big. Probably as soon as this year.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Is Love worse at defending than Wiggins is on the offensive side of the court? He can't shoot. He can attack, sure, but that's Lebron and Kyrie's job.

I guess the more important question is if there us any chance Wiggins is better than Love in the next 2-4 seasons. When Lebron is 35 this won't likely matter as much.

Not just Wiggins vs Love over the next 2-4 seasons. Wiggins plus whoever they could add with the extra cap space vs Love.

Also I bet LeBron's still a top 5 player in the league at age 35. There's so much more to his game than athleticism. Did you read that Windhorst thing about his memory at ESPN today? Frightening.

The deal isn't one for one. The Cavs are also dumping Bennett's guaranteed deal...based on what we saw last year, he's going to be overpaid on his rookie deal. So make it full analysis...the cap space difference isn't as big as you are saying.

Good point. Like I said I was talking down the road beyond this season and next, but yeah. It's not one for one and you can't evaluate it without considering what else gets moved/dumped.

 

[sporthenry]

Is Love worse at defending than Wiggins is on the offensive side of the court? He can't shoot. He can attack, sure, but that's Lebron and Kyrie's job.

I guess the more important question is if there us any chance Wiggins is better than Love in the next 2-4 seasons. When Lebron is 35 this won't likely matter as much.

Not just Wiggins vs Love over the next 2-4 seasons. Wiggins plus whoever they could add with the extra cap space vs Love.

Also I bet LeBron's still a top 5 player in the league at age 35. There's so much more to his game than athleticism. Did you read that Windhorst thing about his memory at ESPN today? Frightening.

The deal isn't one for one. The Cavs are also dumping Bennett's guaranteed deal...based on what we saw last year, he's going to be overpaid on his rookie deal. So make it full analysis...the cap space difference isn't as big as you are saying.

Well Bennett is still rather cheap. So if he puts together any semblance of a solid season, even on the #1 pick scale, it is still cheaper than an open market guy.

And if they sign Love, there goes all flexibility. As it stands now, they are up against the cap but have quite a few movable pieces. They can trade or package some sort of Waiters, Thompson and Bennett for cap relief. They can either do this to get pieces in return or as salary dumps for cap flexibility.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Here's how cracked local radio idiots are:

They believe that Flip could possibly be trying to swing the following deal:

Wiggins

Bennett

a pair of first round picks

Thad Young

and they dump Kevin Martin and JJ Barea

I just yelled "OH COME ON" in my truck.