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*NBA THREAD* Abe will be missed (4 Viewers)
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Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub
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He just looks like an imbecile. He has zero leverage. Why? Because no one will make him an offer in the viscinity of what he's asking for ($80 mil)!!! Only the Sixers can give him the max right now -- and there's no shot of that happening. Free agent funds have dried up and teams know the Suns, who have the 2nd most space in the league, will match. And $8 mil to spend than the next closest team.
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Mr. Retukes
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Martin broke his fibula only (but also damaged some ligaments) when he was in college.
I couldn't find any NBA players who successfully returned from a double fracture, but I know of at least 2 football success stories -- Michael Bush (injured in college but ended up having a decent NFL career) and Bryant Young (who returned to form within a year and made the Pro Bowl).
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Mario Kart
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I want to buy a Cleveland Cavs Wiggins jersey from the NBA store but I can't.
Captain Quinoa
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sporthenry
Footballguy
Has any player ever had a double compound fracture? Seems like the list is small. Don't know much about bones but seems like if rather break a bone than tear ligaments. That is what really did in Livingston. Zapped much of his explosiveness.
sporthenry
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I don't think he looks like an imbecile. For one, we've just seen Parsons and Hayward get max deals. Bledsoes position is stronger, sure, but is it that crazy? Using Parker's contract is faulty on multiple levels. Older player who is still making quite a bit more money and signed for the max given the CBA. Bledsoe provides some value as a RFA so hoping a team who can't attract regular FAs sends him a big offer wasn't that crazy.
He just looks like an imbecile. He has zero leverage. Why? Because no one will make him an offer in the viscinity of what he's asking for ($80 mil)!!! Only the Sixers can give him the max right now -- and there's no shot of that happening. Free agent funds have dried up and teams know the Suns, who have the 2nd most space in the league, will match. And $8 mil to spend than the next closest team.
Captain Quinoa
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Raider Nation
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LeBron played this one beautifully, just like Hyman Roth. He knew all along Love was gonna play with him no matter what. He just went to four straight finals with that Big 3. This Big 3 is even better.
Kyrie/Love >>>>> Wade/Bosh.
He's going to 8 or 9 consecutive finals when the smoke clears.
Kyrie/Love >>>>> Wade/Bosh.
He's going to 8 or 9 consecutive finals when the smoke clears.
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pollardsvision
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Lowe's podcast with Will Leitch is pretty good.
They get to the tanking/Playoff issue, and they mention the phrase "it's a feature, not a bug". It think's perfectly appropriate here. NBA needs to stop worrying about this. It's a by-product of having the only Playoff system in the country that's not a bull#### crapshoot. You monkey around with percentages all you want, and nothing will change that.
If they can find a huge incentive for being an 8-seed that gets swept (it would almost certainly have to be financial), fine, do that.
Otherwise, roll with the great off-season buzz and a league where fans are fine with teams making smart long-term decisions (I swear Sam Hinkie must have the higher Q-score than any athlete in Philadelphia right now).
They get to the tanking/Playoff issue, and they mention the phrase "it's a feature, not a bug". It think's perfectly appropriate here. NBA needs to stop worrying about this. It's a by-product of having the only Playoff system in the country that's not a bull#### crapshoot. You monkey around with percentages all you want, and nothing will change that.
If they can find a huge incentive for being an 8-seed that gets swept (it would almost certainly have to be financial), fine, do that.
Otherwise, roll with the great off-season buzz and a league where fans are fine with teams making smart long-term decisions (I swear Sam Hinkie must have the higher Q-score than any athlete in Philadelphia right now).
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wadegarrett
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Craig_MiamiFL
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Difference being there's no teams banging on his door (or with the funds to offer beyond what Phoenix is).......I don't think he looks like an imbecile. For one, we've just seen Parsons and Hayward get max deals. Bledsoes position is stronger, sure, but is it that crazy? Using Parker's contract is faulty on multiple levels. Older player who is still making quite a bit more money and signed for the max given the CBA. Bledsoe provides some value as a RFA so hoping a team who can't attract regular FAs sends him a big offer wasn't that crazy.
He just looks like an imbecile. He has zero leverage. Why? Because no one will make him an offer in the viscinity of what he's asking for ($80 mil)!!! Only the Sixers can give him the max right now -- and there's no shot of that happening. Free agent funds have dried up and teams know the Suns, who have the 2nd most space in the league, will match. And $8 mil to spend than the next closest team.
If it was going to happen for Bledsoe, it'd have already happened. He does look quite ridiculous here as Sudoku alluded demanding a $80 mil max deal. Phoenix isn't offering it. No one is offering it.
Parsons/Hayward also haven't underwent 2 knee surgeries in 2 years nor are dependent on their athleticism the way Bledsoe is. Just because someone overpaid (again early in free agency) for both Parsons/Hayward really means little present day with Bledsoe.
Phoenix is doing a remarkable job. It's already been stated what they've offered -- 4 for 48 -- for weeks now. I've yet to see a team rush up and best that offer. So Bledsoe #####ing about not getting a fair offer is quite laughable.
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Long Ball Larry
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except that Lebron apparently was able to make it out of the Miami airport alive.
Sammy3469
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They could always just give the non playoff teams, the 8th seed, and anyone under .500 equal chances in the lottery. Basically some structure that gives all the non title contenders a "decent" shot at a top 3 pick and lets them fight for a playoff berth.pollardsvision said:
sports_fan
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Kyrie/Love might be better but it's not by that much.Raider Nation said:
Raider Nation
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sports_fan
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got_nugs
Footballguy
When you reference the past 4 finals with "that big 3" it makes it seem that you're comparing the big 3 back then to Love/Irving/James now, I can see the confusion. I could argue that Bosh essentially was Love while he was in Toronto....maybe Love was a little better b/c of the rebounds but plays less defense. Gimme Wade in his prime over Irving any day until Kyrie shows he can actually do something outside of an all star game. Over the past 3 years (I think that was the timeline-of course i'm using a stat that I didn't actually check cause that's how I roll as an iDbag) Wade has played more games than Irving. Yeah, moving forward I agree with you, Clevelands upside is better than what Miami probably could have put together. But hey, it's all about going home to where James used to crawl and bleed, right?
Indy and Miami still are gonna be neck and neck fighting for playoff positioning!
TobiasFunke
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I think it'll take 2-3 years, but he'll get there. Shaun Livingston was a solid, productive player last year.
Kev4029
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And Livingston's injury was much more devastating. They were worried about him ever walking normal again.
Todem
Footballguy
Devastating injury. Watched it once. I don't ever need to see that again. Freak injury.
If it was just a clean break and minimal ligament damage he will come back. I think the bigger hump will be the mental aspect once he is physically recovered. That was just nasty.
But he is very young and this was well below his knee. So hopefully he can make a full recovery. It will take 24 months for him to get back to his previous level if he indeed makes a full recovery.
If it was just a clean break and minimal ligament damage he will come back. I think the bigger hump will be the mental aspect once he is physically recovered. That was just nasty.
But he is very young and this was well below his knee. So hopefully he can make a full recovery. It will take 24 months for him to get back to his previous level if he indeed makes a full recovery.
Village Idiot
Pokerguy
I had a foot injury where I fractured 2 toes, broke another one, tore ligaments, cartilage, did some nerve damage, and dislocated my foot.
I had a pin in my foot for 2 months and was in a cast putting no weight on my foot for 2 months.
And the orthopedic surgeon that fixed it told me I would have problems with it even after everything healed.
I was 22 years old then.
Like Paul George's injury mine wasn't because something wasn't strong enough or gave out.
It was a trauma induced injury.
It took me 2 years to get back to playing basketball like I was before that injury.
I had some doubts/fears and was very careful about watching where I landed on that foot for awhile.
But I eventually made a full recovery.
If this thing heals for him 100%, I believe he can make it all the way back.
It's not like he has weak bones and is prone to this type of injury.
Kev4029
Footballguy
I'm no capologist, but I think that the $24M+ going to Houston is a bit more than the $1.5M leaving.
Phoenix is making noise about running 2/3 PG lineups this year, the last thing they want is to wait for Hibbert to haul himself up and down the court.
Notorious T.R.E.
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Lol at Indy getting teh rape in that trade.
Sammy3469
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Pretty sure you missed the part where Indy is only getting T Jones and a pick.
More importantly though, it's nice to see Abe out of his Daryl Morey July induced trade funk.
Kev4029
Footballguy
I didn't miss that part, but the trade is irrelevant because it isn't even close to working with the cap. I don't think Indy would be against the idea of dumping nearly $60M of contracts of declining assets, just not for a rotation player and a mediocre draft pick.
Dondante
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I love the revisionist hysteria in your post. THAT big 3 was/is HOF worthy and all world when they were winning and now it has been reduced to an italicized punch line by t-shirt fans. They got destroyed by a better team, by their own arrogance and now they've been blown up so elBJ can clear his conscience and get back in the good graces of the general public. OF COURSE Love is going to play in Cleveland with the best player in the world. Why does that make elBJ this all seeing all knowing uber business man? In your opinion, of course.Raider Nation said:
Raider Nation
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Nothing stings like getting clowned by Dondante!
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Captain Quinoa
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@SBNation: The Cavs and Timberwolves have a handshake agreement on a Kevin Love deal, per @WindhorstESPN: http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/8/4/5968935/kevin-love-trade-cavaliers-timberwolves-andrew-wiggins …
Bob Sacamano
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@WindhorstESPN: http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/8/4/5968935/kevin-love-trade-cavaliers-timberwolves-andrew-wiggins …Handshake agreements always work out well for the Cavs.
Frostillicus
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DELUSIONAL!
Craig_MiamiFL
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He's only signed for 2 more but I don't see much in the way of a return.
I don't think the Suns are interested in Hibbert. (Indy contacted Phoenix about Dragic and Suns didn't see anything they were interested in)
I don't think the Suns are interested in Hibbert. (Indy contacted Phoenix about Dragic and Suns didn't see anything they were interested in)
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Notorious T.R.E.
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Can't get over how delusional you are.
sbonomo
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Hibbert does nothing for the suns. We already have two young big men that can guard the rim and run the floor. Now if we could have gotten Gasol that would have helped.
You guys are getting a heck of a deal - probably the best deal ever - under the circumstances. Extremely well played by Flip.
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