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I agree you shouldn't get a family dog if it is going to be outside exclusively.

But since you sound hell bent please make sure you let the dogs inside the house when it is above 90 and below especially below 32. Dogs can freeze to death. Do you have a heated water bowl if not how will you handle that?

 
By the way if you're some kind of a jackass you puts his dog in clothes you can just stay out. Your opinion means nothing to me.
no one's opinion means anything to you
Believe it or not I am actually a very sane person. I change my mind on things in this forum on occasion. Unlike a lot of other people. But I'm looking for an actual answer stead of like oh my God you are just the worst person in the world for keeping the dog outside.
We've already explained why.

Can you explain to us why you even want a dog that is to be kept outside, on its own, until it's convenient for you or your kids to go outside and play with it?
:wall: NOT ON ITS OWN!! TWO DOGS!!

Or does that relationship not count for some reason like it did for thousands of years before the last 20?
Dogs didn't evolve into what they were thousands of years ago by being bred for the most docile, companionable traits and penned up in suburban backyards.

 
Lots of great advice in here. Just a few things to add. Rescue groups will work with you to match the right dog(s) for your family and allow you to bring the dog home on a trial basis. Not so sure a breeder will. Also, getting 2 dogs at the same time does not guarantee they get along with each other. Again, a rescue group will not adopt to you if the dogs don't get along, so they'll work to ensure you get a good match.

And if you're going to leave them outside, please don't get a dog and let a responsible owner take yours instead.
I know that quite a few rescue groups won't let you adopt if the dogs are going to stay outside.
Yeah I was going to add that. I volunteer for 2 groups, and if a potential owner said the dogs would be housed outside their apps would be thrown away.
X2 - I volunteer at a Boxer rescue and this is one of the first questions we ask. By they way, 100 degree in high humidity is going to be miserable for a long hair dog. This is in humane.

 
How is it cruel to have a defined outdoor space for a dog if it is plenty big with plenty of food plenty of water and lots of attention and a companion?
How much attention will it get when it is 0 degrees or 100 degrees outside?
Those 10-15 days? Probably plenty. We will make a point to take good care of them. Probably let them come and go from the mud room when it is cold and our kids have been outside every day this week of the 100 day heat. Fire up the sprinklers and the dogs will be running and playing with the kids in the water. I guarantee you that is exactly how it will be handled. They will be played with EVERY DAY. How many of you can even say that about your pets?
And the zero degree days? How about all the days below freezing? Hours and hours of outdoor companionship? Or do the dogs live in the mudroom on those days?
"They'll be fine. You know, they have fur. Or are you saying fur doesn't keep you warm? What did dogs do for centuries when they were outside with just their fur?"

 
Well at least the dogs will only suffer 10 to 15 days that it is either boiling hot or frigid cold. Again as a previous poster said CLUELESS. What about storms, I assume you don't realize some animals are terrified of thunder & lightning. But who cares it's not what you want to hear.

 
Lol at people saying that. 20 years ago dogs were kept outside and that was perfectly acceptable so why isn't it appropriate today.

It was once acceptable to lynch folks in the street , doesn't mean it was right.

I think BigBottom hit the bail on the head . Having a ranch/farm dog that stays outside with acres to roam is acceptable.

Being a jackass who keeps his dog in a cage or tied up outside 24/7 is just that, a jackass .
Cage? Tied up? Where are you getting this?

Do you people have any idea how big .6 acres is? It is bigger than most zoos use for bears, lions and tigers. Our yard is freaking massive. Most entire lots are only .25-.3 acres. This fenced in portion is more than twice that.
Luke 21:1-4King James Version (KJV)21 And he looked up, and saw the rich men casting their gifts into the treasury.

2 And he saw also a certain poor widow casting in thither two mites.

3 And he said, Of a truth I say unto you, that this poor widow hath cast in more than they all:

4 For all these have of their abundance cast in unto the offerings of God: but she of her penury hath cast in all the living that she had.

You see Jayrod,

Here, you are the rich men with your large yard and selfish desire for dogs.

The people who want their dogs inside the house are the poor widow.

The rich men with big yards can easily give a dog a place to sleep.

Us poor widows have a lot less land but our hearts are pure and we are giving all we have to our dogs, who God hath created.

 
Lots of great advice in here. Just a few things to add. Rescue groups will work with you to match the right dog(s) for your family and allow you to bring the dog home on a trial basis. Not so sure a breeder will. Also, getting 2 dogs at the same time does not guarantee they get along with each other. Again, a rescue group will not adopt to you if the dogs don't get along, so they'll work to ensure you get a good match.

And if you're going to leave them outside, please don't get a dog and let a responsible owner take yours instead.
I know that quite a few rescue groups won't let you adopt if the dogs are going to stay outside.
Yeah I was going to add that. I volunteer for 2 groups, and if a potential owner said the dogs would be housed outside their apps would be thrown away.
X2 - I volunteer at a Boxer rescue and this is one of the first questions we ask. By they way, 100 degree in high humidity is going to be miserable for a long hair dog. This is in humane.
X3 - volunteer for a Weimaraner rescue. They wouldn't make it to the home visit phase.

 
i am sure this started as

"lets see what i can post to set those pet wackos off, how about outside dogs!!!!"

 
If you're looking for an answer, then start looking. There is plenty available on the internet that will discuss how damaging and unhealthy it is for dogs to be kept outside 100% of the time. Or talk to a local shelter. Or talk to your vet.

Link 1

Link 2

Link 3

Link 4

Here's a quote from one of those that is all the answer you need:

DOGS ARE PACK ANIMALS THAT THRIVE ON COMPANIONSHIP. Much like their wolf ancestors, dogs are very social. In fact, dogs are more social than humans and need to be part of human families. When you own a dog, you become the dog's pack and he wants to be with his pack. Forcing a dog to live outside with little or no human companionship is one of the most psychological damaging things a pet owner can do to a dog.
Once again, it is 100% selfish to a dog to keep it away from the family and not let it in the house to live.
I'm reading the attached articles. After reading the first article, here is a great response that I feel is similar to me.

My whole life I've had dogs that lived entirely outdoors. No, they weren't on chains or confined to a certain part of the yard--they were given the entire backyard which was fenced and, generally, inescapable. Sometimes they'd find a loose board, knock it down, and slip off to the nearby creek at night but they'd always be home in the morning, we'd patch up the hole, and life would go on. They weren't poisoned or hurt by wild animals or shot or any other horrible thing that you could dream up to happen. They had adventures five nights out of the year. End of story.

For shelter, we cut a dog-door into the garage which led to an eight-by-ten dog run complete with their own doghouses and stuffed knee-high with fresh straw. It kept them out of the wind and was much warmer than a doghouse alone would be.

My dogs never went insane from loneliness because we always kept at least two at a time. This provided them a pack and filled their canine need for constant companionship. To top it off, four kids would go in and out of the backyard to play all day long so they had their fill of human company, too.

They survived negative degree winters and 110+ summers. When I was young, we never bathed the dogs because they didn't look dirty, smelled fine except when rained on, and hated baths anyway. They got all the vet care they needed but the closest we ever came to 'professionally grooming' them was when we sent an especially long-haired spaniel to get her fur clipped at the start of spring each year to help keep her cool. Each lived to be at least thirteen years old--I've currently got one going on fifteen.

The only dog I'd ever recommend keeping in a house is one incapable of weathering the conditions--a thin furred breed like a greyhound or a very small dog starting from pug-size down. I also wouldn't force a cold-weather breed like a husky to stick it out through the midday heat during summer. There are exceptions like these, but for most dogs--medium fur, thirty pounds up, most run-of-the-mill mutts you'd find in your local shelter--I'd say living outside year-round would suit them fine.

I'll end by saying this--I'd like anyone to take a look at my two outdoor dogs who are healthy, happy, and just as good as any indoor pet and tell me that I'm a cruel, heartless monster who doesn't understand what they're going through and isn't fit to pay their vet bills, clean up their poo, and taken them on long, glorious walks that neither of us ever want to end.
 
How long have all dog breeds become accustomed to indoor living? Maybe the last 20 years? I'm pretty sure the dogs will do great outside since they are descendants of wolves. You guys are freaking insane.

Give me one good reason a dog HAS to be allowed inside.
There's a reason there's been an overwhelming response here that dogs aren't meant to be kept outside. Dogs are social animals. Dogs have a desire to be part of a family. That means living inside. It's ok if you don't want to have a dog living with you. But then the answer is DO NOT GET A DOG. If you want to be selfish and get one anyway, then no one will stop you. But it's not the right thing to do for the animals. It's the 100% selfish thing to do. That's why everyone is piling on. That's why adoption agencies to let dogs go to owners that will keep them outside. And doing it to not one, but two animals makes it even worse.
So what did dogs do before they became domesticated? Didn't they live together in packs? How was two dogs not better than one? Why do they have to be with people 24 seven? Are they not able to bond to one another? Am I just like the only sane person in the world?
What did humans do before running water and electricity? They got along just fine. Doesn't mean it's better. There was a time when women couldn't vote and blacks weren't considered citizens. We've since come to learn the error of our ways.

Dogs are now domesticated animals. It's why you don't see dogs randomly running around this country. And we've since learned that dogs are social, domesticated animals that want to be part of a family. That means living inside. People that get dogs and keep them outside 100% of the time are selfish owners.

If EVERYONE in here is saying one thing and you're the only one with the "voice of reason", you may want to reconsider if you're truly the voice of reason. Or actually just do some research on your own. Or just be a complete ####### and get the dogs and stop posting in this thread since that's what you'll likely do anyway.
I will probably do what I want. But I'm just trying to understand where the hell you people are coming from.It wasn't until the very recent history the dogs have been kept inside. Yes they are social animals. They are pack animals. That means they bond with other animals including each other. Doesn't mean you have to bring them inside for them to have a relationship with you.

What about all the farm dogs and work dogs? Are they missed treated because they are left outside all the time? How is it cruel to have a defined outdoor space for a dog if it is plenty big with plenty of food plenty of water and lots of attention and a companion? Seriously what will go wrong with the dog if I do this?
Honestly do you think that there were packs of Labs running around missouri in the times you speak of? They are adapt to cold weather and would migrate in the summer time. Please don't buy a dog.

 
Lol at people saying that. 20 years ago dogs were kept outside and that was perfectly acceptable so why isn't it appropriate today.

It was once acceptable to lynch folks in the street , doesn't mean it was right.

I think BigBottom hit the bail on the head . Having a ranch/farm dog that stays outside with acres to roam is acceptable.

Being a jackass who keeps his dog in a cage or tied up outside 24/7 is just that, a jackass .
Cage? Tied up? Where are you getting this?

Do you people have any idea how big .6 acres is? It is bigger than most zoos use for bears, lions and tigers. Our yard is freaking massive. Most entire lots are only .25-.3 acres. This fenced in portion is more than twice that.
Luke 21:1-4King James Version (KJV)21 And he looked up, and saw the rich men casting their gifts into the treasury.

2 And he saw also a certain poor widow casting in thither two mites.

3 And he said, Of a truth I say unto you, that this poor widow hath cast in more than they all:

4 For all these have of their abundance cast in unto the offerings of God: but she of her penury hath cast in all the living that she had.

You see Jayrod,

Here, you are the rich men with your large yard and selfish desire for dogs.

The people who want their dogs inside the house are the poor widow.

The rich men with big yards can easily give a dog a place to sleep.

Us poor widows have a lot less land but our hearts are pure and we are giving all we have to our dogs, who God hath created.
e-I-e-I-o

 
i am sure this started as

"lets see what i can post to set those pet wackos off, how about outside dogs!!!!"
If you're not a pet wacko and don't love the animal, then why would anyone get one? I'm not saying set up a place at the dining table or anything like that, but if you can't be troubled to let a living thing into your home, why the hell would you get it to begin with? It's selfish.

 
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How long have all dog breeds become accustomed to indoor living? Maybe the last 20 years? I'm pretty sure the dogs will do great outside since they are descendants of wolves. You guys are freaking insane.

Give me one good reason a dog HAS to be allowed inside.
There's a reason there's been an overwhelming response here that dogs aren't meant to be kept outside. Dogs are social animals. Dogs have a desire to be part of a family. That means living inside. It's ok if you don't want to have a dog living with you. But then the answer is DO NOT GET A DOG. If you want to be selfish and get one anyway, then no one will stop you. But it's not the right thing to do for the animals. It's the 100% selfish thing to do. That's why everyone is piling on. That's why adoption agencies to let dogs go to owners that will keep them outside. And doing it to not one, but two animals makes it even worse.
So what did dogs do before they became domesticated? Didn't they live together in packs? How was two dogs not better than one? Why do they have to be with people 24 seven? Are they not able to bond to one another? Am I just like the only sane person in the world?
What did humans do before running water and electricity? They got along just fine. Doesn't mean it's better. There was a time when women couldn't vote and blacks weren't considered citizens. We've since come to learn the error of our ways.

Dogs are now domesticated animals. It's why you don't see dogs randomly running around this country. And we've since learned that dogs are social, domesticated animals that want to be part of a family. That means living inside. People that get dogs and keep them outside 100% of the time are selfish owners.

If EVERYONE in here is saying one thing and you're the only one with the "voice of reason", you may want to reconsider if you're truly the voice of reason. Or actually just do some research on your own. Or just be a complete ####### and get the dogs and stop posting in this thread since that's what you'll likely do anyway.
I will probably do what I want. But I'm just trying to understand where the hell you people are coming from.It wasn't until the very recent history the dogs have been kept inside. Yes they are social animals. They are pack animals. That means they bond with other animals including each other. Doesn't mean you have to bring them inside for them to have a relationship with you.

What about all the farm dogs and work dogs? Are they missed treated because they are left outside all the time? How is it cruel to have a defined outdoor space for a dog if it is plenty big with plenty of food plenty of water and lots of attention and a companion? Seriously what will go wrong with the dog if I do this?
Honestly do you think that there were packs of Labs running around missouri in the times you speak of? They are adapt to cold weather and would migrate in the summer time. Please don't buy a dog.
Before the last 20 years, what % of labs do you think lived indoors? They were bred to be hunting dogs in Canada. I highly doubt a lot of 1900's duck hunters kept their labs inside.

Why would I suddenly HAVE to keep it inside or I'm being cruel? That is what is so baffling to me. If only until 20 years ago a dog was perfectly happy outside, why is it really unhappy now? And spare me the civil rights comparison BS, we are talking about an animal's very nature not social progress.

 
The .6 acres comment is in response to the "cage" and "tie up" comments.
My yard is larger than that. I would never say that it is a huge area for them to run by the way. Do you plan on bulding a shaded area/shelter for them? How much time do you estimate you/your kids will spend with them? At first i am sure it will be fun, but once the new wears off a few hours a week tops?

 
How long have all dog breeds become accustomed to indoor living? Maybe the last 20 years? I'm pretty sure the dogs will do great outside since they are descendants of wolves. You guys are freaking insane.

Give me one good reason a dog HAS to be allowed inside.
There's a reason there's been an overwhelming response here that dogs aren't meant to be kept outside. Dogs are social animals. Dogs have a desire to be part of a family. That means living inside. It's ok if you don't want to have a dog living with you. But then the answer is DO NOT GET A DOG. If you want to be selfish and get one anyway, then no one will stop you. But it's not the right thing to do for the animals. It's the 100% selfish thing to do. That's why everyone is piling on. That's why adoption agencies to let dogs go to owners that will keep them outside. And doing it to not one, but two animals makes it even worse.
So what did dogs do before they became domesticated? Didn't they live together in packs? How was two dogs not better than one? Why do they have to be with people 24 seven? Are they not able to bond to one another? Am I just like the only sane person in the world?
What did humans do before running water and electricity? They got along just fine. Doesn't mean it's better. There was a time when women couldn't vote and blacks weren't considered citizens. We've since come to learn the error of our ways.

Dogs are now domesticated animals. It's why you don't see dogs randomly running around this country. And we've since learned that dogs are social, domesticated animals that want to be part of a family. That means living inside. People that get dogs and keep them outside 100% of the time are selfish owners.

If EVERYONE in here is saying one thing and you're the only one with the "voice of reason", you may want to reconsider if you're truly the voice of reason. Or actually just do some research on your own. Or just be a complete ####### and get the dogs and stop posting in this thread since that's what you'll likely do anyway.
I will probably do what I want. But I'm just trying to understand where the hell you people are coming from.It wasn't until the very recent history the dogs have been kept inside. Yes they are social animals. They are pack animals. That means they bond with other animals including each other. Doesn't mean you have to bring them inside for them to have a relationship with you.

What about all the farm dogs and work dogs? Are they missed treated because they are left outside all the time? How is it cruel to have a defined outdoor space for a dog if it is plenty big with plenty of food plenty of water and lots of attention and a companion? Seriously what will go wrong with the dog if I do this?
Honestly do you think that there were packs of Labs running around missouri in the times you speak of? They are adapt to cold weather and would migrate in the summer time. Please don't buy a dog.
Before the last 20 years, what % of labs do you think lived indoors? They were bred to be hunting dogs in Canada. I highly doubt a lot of 1900's duck hunters kept their labs inside.

Why would I suddenly HAVE to keep it inside or I'm being cruel? That is what is so baffling to me. If only until 20 years ago a dog was perfectly happy outside, why is it really unhappy now? And spare me the civil rights comparison BS, we are talking about an animal's very nature not social progress.
20 years ago people thought beating their dogs was proper training. Is that your plan also?

 
How long have all dog breeds become accustomed to indoor living? Maybe the last 20 years? I'm pretty sure the dogs will do great outside since they are descendants of wolves. You guys are freaking insane.

Give me one good reason a dog HAS to be allowed inside.
There's a reason there's been an overwhelming response here that dogs aren't meant to be kept outside. Dogs are social animals. Dogs have a desire to be part of a family. That means living inside. It's ok if you don't want to have a dog living with you. But then the answer is DO NOT GET A DOG. If you want to be selfish and get one anyway, then no one will stop you. But it's not the right thing to do for the animals. It's the 100% selfish thing to do. That's why everyone is piling on. That's why adoption agencies to let dogs go to owners that will keep them outside. And doing it to not one, but two animals makes it even worse.
So what did dogs do before they became domesticated? Didn't they live together in packs? How was two dogs not better than one? Why do they have to be with people 24 seven? Are they not able to bond to one another? Am I just like the only sane person in the world?
What did humans do before running water and electricity? They got along just fine. Doesn't mean it's better. There was a time when women couldn't vote and blacks weren't considered citizens. We've since come to learn the error of our ways.

Dogs are now domesticated animals. It's why you don't see dogs randomly running around this country. And we've since learned that dogs are social, domesticated animals that want to be part of a family. That means living inside. People that get dogs and keep them outside 100% of the time are selfish owners.

If EVERYONE in here is saying one thing and you're the only one with the "voice of reason", you may want to reconsider if you're truly the voice of reason. Or actually just do some research on your own. Or just be a complete ####### and get the dogs and stop posting in this thread since that's what you'll likely do anyway.
I will probably do what I want. But I'm just trying to understand where the hell you people are coming from.It wasn't until the very recent history the dogs have been kept inside. Yes they are social animals. They are pack animals. That means they bond with other animals including each other. Doesn't mean you have to bring them inside for them to have a relationship with you.

What about all the farm dogs and work dogs? Are they missed treated because they are left outside all the time? How is it cruel to have a defined outdoor space for a dog if it is plenty big with plenty of food plenty of water and lots of attention and a companion? Seriously what will go wrong with the dog if I do this?
Honestly do you think that there were packs of Labs running around missouri in the times you speak of? They are adapt to cold weather and would migrate in the summer time. Please don't buy a dog.
Before the last 20 years, what % of labs do you think lived indoors? They were bred to be hunting dogs in Canada. I highly doubt a lot of 1900's duck hunters kept their labs inside.

Why would I suddenly HAVE to keep it inside or I'm being cruel? That is what is so baffling to me. If only until 20 years ago a dog was perfectly happy outside, why is it really unhappy now? And spare me the civil rights comparison BS, we are talking about an animal's very nature not social progress.
Do what you want. You're not here looking for advice from people who raised healthy, happy dogs. You're here to poke people with sticks because like most rednecks, you think you've got a direct line to God's Chosen Way To Live. :shrug:

I'd urge you not to get dogs, but you'll do what you want. Just understand: if the whole world thinks you're clueless and a ####, it's probably not the whole world that's in the wrong.

 
How long have all dog breeds become accustomed to indoor living? Maybe the last 20 years? I'm pretty sure the dogs will do great outside since they are descendants of wolves. You guys are freaking insane.

Give me one good reason a dog HAS to be allowed inside.
There's a reason there's been an overwhelming response here that dogs aren't meant to be kept outside. Dogs are social animals. Dogs have a desire to be part of a family. That means living inside. It's ok if you don't want to have a dog living with you. But then the answer is DO NOT GET A DOG. If you want to be selfish and get one anyway, then no one will stop you. But it's not the right thing to do for the animals. It's the 100% selfish thing to do. That's why everyone is piling on. That's why adoption agencies to let dogs go to owners that will keep them outside. And doing it to not one, but two animals makes it even worse.
So what did dogs do before they became domesticated? Didn't they live together in packs? How was two dogs not better than one? Why do they have to be with people 24 seven? Are they not able to bond to one another? Am I just like the only sane person in the world?
What did humans do before running water and electricity? They got along just fine. Doesn't mean it's better. There was a time when women couldn't vote and blacks weren't considered citizens. We've since come to learn the error of our ways.

Dogs are now domesticated animals. It's why you don't see dogs randomly running around this country. And we've since learned that dogs are social, domesticated animals that want to be part of a family. That means living inside. People that get dogs and keep them outside 100% of the time are selfish owners.

If EVERYONE in here is saying one thing and you're the only one with the "voice of reason", you may want to reconsider if you're truly the voice of reason. Or actually just do some research on your own. Or just be a complete ####### and get the dogs and stop posting in this thread since that's what you'll likely do anyway.
I will probably do what I want. But I'm just trying to understand where the hell you people are coming from.It wasn't until the very recent history the dogs have been kept inside. Yes they are social animals. They are pack animals. That means they bond with other animals including each other. Doesn't mean you have to bring them inside for them to have a relationship with you.

What about all the farm dogs and work dogs? Are they missed treated because they are left outside all the time? How is it cruel to have a defined outdoor space for a dog if it is plenty big with plenty of food plenty of water and lots of attention and a companion? Seriously what will go wrong with the dog if I do this?
Honestly do you think that there were packs of Labs running around missouri in the times you speak of? They are adapt to cold weather and would migrate in the summer time. Please don't buy a dog.
Before the last 20 years, what % of labs do you think lived indoors? They were bred to be hunting dogs in Canada. I highly doubt a lot of 1900's duck hunters kept their labs inside.

Why would I suddenly HAVE to keep it inside or I'm being cruel? That is what is so baffling to me. If only until 20 years ago a dog was perfectly happy outside, why is it really unhappy now? And spare me the civil rights comparison BS, we are talking about an animal's very nature not social progress.
20 years ago people thought beating their dogs was proper training. Is that your plan also?
Yes, captain jackass, we will beat them into obedience. Clearly this is the same thing.

 
Why do you suppose it is that shelters, rescue outfits, breeders, and vets are of the opinion that dogs shouldn't be left outside all the time?

 
Lol at people saying that. 20 years ago dogs were kept outside and that was perfectly acceptable so why isn't it appropriate today.

It was once acceptable to lynch folks in the street , doesn't mean it was right.

I think BigBottom hit the bail on the head . Having a ranch/farm dog that stays outside with acres to roam is acceptable.

Being a jackass who keeps his dog in a cage or tied up outside 24/7 is just that, a jackass .
Cage? Tied up? Where are you getting this?

Do you people have any idea how big .6 acres is? It is bigger than most zoos use for bears, lions and tigers. Our yard is freaking massive. Most entire lots are only .25-.3 acres. This fenced in portion is more than twice that.
I have 2 acres. My dogs are inside besides when we're out with them or for short periods when they want to catch some sun on the deck. size of the lot is not the important factor.

 
It could be that the wife thinks they will be good for securing the backyard, just from a utilitarian point of view. But she sold Jayrod on the whole ethical aspect of, "Two dogs will always have each other and a large yard to run and play in" Disney-type story. Sorry, Jayrod, but you really screwed your reputation with the cat thread - and I'm sorry that everyone is jumping on top of you here, but it's hard to have your back after that whole deal. I think you might be in over your head, bro. Sorry to say it.

Maybe once you go speak to some people IRL things won't be so overwhelming for you. You are kind of freaking out, to be honest. The pack mentality is real and you have to realize how to deal with it before owning even one dog, much less two.

 
Lol at people saying that. 20 years ago dogs were kept outside and that was perfectly acceptable so why isn't it appropriate today.

It was once acceptable to lynch folks in the street , doesn't mean it was right.

I think BigBottom hit the bail on the head . Having a ranch/farm dog that stays outside with acres to roam is acceptable.

Being a jackass who keeps his dog in a cage or tied up outside 24/7 is just that, a jackass .
Cage? Tied up? Where are you getting this?

Do you people have any idea how big .6 acres is? It is bigger than most zoos use for bears, lions and tigers. Our yard is freaking massive. Most entire lots are only .25-.3 acres. This fenced in portion is more than twice that.
I have 2 acres. My dogs are inside besides when we're out with them or for short periods when they want to catch some sun on the deck. size of the lot is not the important factor.
Amen 3C's, the size of a mans heart is the only factor we should be discussing here.

 
How long have all dog breeds become accustomed to indoor living? Maybe the last 20 years? I'm pretty sure the dogs will do great outside since they are descendants of wolves. You guys are freaking insane.

Give me one good reason a dog HAS to be allowed inside.
There's a reason there's been an overwhelming response here that dogs aren't meant to be kept outside. Dogs are social animals. Dogs have a desire to be part of a family. That means living inside. It's ok if you don't want to have a dog living with you. But then the answer is DO NOT GET A DOG. If you want to be selfish and get one anyway, then no one will stop you. But it's not the right thing to do for the animals. It's the 100% selfish thing to do. That's why everyone is piling on. That's why adoption agencies to let dogs go to owners that will keep them outside. And doing it to not one, but two animals makes it even worse.
So what did dogs do before they became domesticated? Didn't they live together in packs? How was two dogs not better than one? Why do they have to be with people 24 seven? Are they not able to bond to one another? Am I just like the only sane person in the world?
What did humans do before running water and electricity? They got along just fine. Doesn't mean it's better. There was a time when women couldn't vote and blacks weren't considered citizens. We've since come to learn the error of our ways.

Dogs are now domesticated animals. It's why you don't see dogs randomly running around this country. And we've since learned that dogs are social, domesticated animals that want to be part of a family. That means living inside. People that get dogs and keep them outside 100% of the time are selfish owners.

If EVERYONE in here is saying one thing and you're the only one with the "voice of reason", you may want to reconsider if you're truly the voice of reason. Or actually just do some research on your own. Or just be a complete ####### and get the dogs and stop posting in this thread since that's what you'll likely do anyway.
I will probably do what I want. But I'm just trying to understand where the hell you people are coming from.It wasn't until the very recent history the dogs have been kept inside. Yes they are social animals. They are pack animals. That means they bond with other animals including each other. Doesn't mean you have to bring them inside for them to have a relationship with you.

What about all the farm dogs and work dogs? Are they missed treated because they are left outside all the time? How is it cruel to have a defined outdoor space for a dog if it is plenty big with plenty of food plenty of water and lots of attention and a companion? Seriously what will go wrong with the dog if I do this?
Honestly do you think that there were packs of Labs running around missouri in the times you speak of? They are adapt to cold weather and would migrate in the summer time. Please don't buy a dog.
Before the last 20 years, what % of labs do you think lived indoors? They were bred to be hunting dogs in Canada. I highly doubt a lot of 1900's duck hunters kept their labs inside.

Why would I suddenly HAVE to keep it inside or I'm being cruel? That is what is so baffling to me. If only until 20 years ago a dog was perfectly happy outside, why is it really unhappy now? And spare me the civil rights comparison BS, we are talking about an animal's very nature not social progress.
20 years ago people thought beating their dogs was proper training. Is that your plan also?
Yes, captain jackass, we will beat them into obedience. Clearly this is the same thing.
Why not? That's what people did 20 years ago.

 
It could be that the wife thinks they will be good for securing the backyard, just from a utilitarian point of view. But she sold Jayrod on the whole ethical aspect of, "Two dogs will always have each other and a large yard to run and play in" Disney-type story. Sorry, Jayrod, but you really screwed your reputation with the cat thread - and I'm sorry that everyone is jumping on top of you here, but it's hard to have your back after that whole deal. I think you might be in over your head, bro. Sorry to say it.

Maybe once you go speak to some people IRL things won't be so overwhelming for you. You are kind of freaking out, to be honest. The pack mentality is real and you have to realize how to deal with it before owning even one dog, much less two.
What he do in the cat thread?

 
It could be that the wife thinks they will be good for securing the backyard, just from a utilitarian point of view. But she sold Jayrod on the whole ethical aspect of, "Two dogs will always have each other and a large yard to run and play in" Disney-type story. Sorry, Jayrod, but you really screwed your reputation with the cat thread - and I'm sorry that everyone is jumping on top of you here, but it's hard to have your back after that whole deal. I think you might be in over your head, bro. Sorry to say it.

Maybe once you go speak to some people IRL things won't be so overwhelming for you. You are kind of freaking out, to be honest. The pack mentality is real and you have to realize how to deal with it before owning even one dog, much less two.
What he do in the cat thread?
He paid for the needles to euthanize the cats but boots and ?? were saved just in the nick of time.

 
Why do you suppose it is that shelters, rescue outfits, breeders, and vets are of the opinion that dogs shouldn't be left outside all the time?
Because (and reading all of the posted articles confirms this), it is assumed the dog will be alone, have little to no space and will be exposed to the elements.

I have addressed all 3 of those issues extensively. There will be two dogs. I have yet to see a single statement made from anyone outside that two dogs would end up feeling lonely, separation anxiety, etc. Every single article assumes a single dog. There also is a lot about pens, tied up and small yards/no shade. This yard has almost complete shade in the Summer due to being in a heavily wooded area. A more than adequate dog house will be made by my son and I and the mud room will likely have a doggie door for them to come and go as they please.

The dogs will not be lonely, they will not be bored, they will not be ignored, they will not be left to suffer from the elements. None of anything I have read (outside of this thread) indicates what I am doing will be cruel to the dogs.

 
Why do you suppose it is that shelters, rescue outfits, breeders, and vets are of the opinion that dogs shouldn't be left outside all the time?
Because (and reading all of the posted articles confirms this), it is assumed the dog will be alone, have little to no space and will be exposed to the elements.

I have addressed all 3 of those issues extensively. There will be two dogs. I have yet to see a single statement made from anyone outside that two dogs would end up feeling lonely, separation anxiety, etc. Every single article assumes a single dog. There also is a lot about pens, tied up and small yards/no shade. This yard has almost complete shade in the Summer due to being in a heavily wooded area. A more than adequate dog house will be made by my son and I and the mud room will likely have a doggie door for them to come and go as they please.

The dogs will not be lonely, they will not be bored, they will not be ignored, they will not be left to suffer from the elements. None of anything I have read (outside of this thread) indicates what I am doing will be cruel to the dogs.
Can you just answer WHY you even want to get dogs?

 
Why do you suppose it is that shelters, rescue outfits, breeders, and vets are of the opinion that dogs shouldn't be left outside all the time?
Because (and reading all of the posted articles confirms this), it is assumed the dog will be alone, have little to no space and will be exposed to the elements.

I have addressed all 3 of those issues extensively. There will be two dogs. I have yet to see a single statement made from anyone outside that two dogs would end up feeling lonely, separation anxiety, etc. Every single article assumes a single dog. There also is a lot about pens, tied up and small yards/no shade. This yard has almost complete shade in the Summer due to being in a heavily wooded area. A more than adequate dog house will be made by my son and I and the mud room will likely have a doggie door for them to come and go as they please.

The dogs will not be lonely, they will not be bored, they will not be ignored, they will not be left to suffer from the elements. None of anything I have read (outside of this thread) indicates what I am doing will be cruel to the dogs.
Can you just answer WHY you even want to get dogs?
Seriously. What's the point?

 
Hmmmmmm...

I had a few dogs growing up.. none were "indoor" dogs.. Two german sheperds and a lab...

They were allowed in the polebarns, garages, sheds etc.. but not the house.. I really didn't think it was a big deal but according to this thread

it looks like we abused them.. :confused:
No. Everyone acknowledges the difference between a free-range farm or 10+ acre situation and a half acrr suburban situation. Jayrod just doesn't see the difference

 
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LOL at frolicking having the time of their lives in .6 acres. You gonna put a cowbell on them? They may get lost.
Yeah, a living room is SO much bigger. Lets keep them in there.

So what is your point?
Do you know why dogs would want to be in the living room? Because that's where the family gathers to watch TV, or where the kids are playing with toys, or where you're reading the Bible drinking a cup of coffee. They want to be near you because they love you.

Well, not "you" you. These dogs are going to hate your ####### guts.

 
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LOL at frolicking having the time of their lives in .6 acres. You gonna put a cowbell on them? They may get lost.
Yeah, a living room is SO much bigger. Lets keep them in there.

So what is your point?
My point is that if one person tells you that you're drunk and need to go home, he may be wrong.

If the entire party is telling you that you're drunk and need to go home, maybe it's time to stop arguing.

 
Hmmmmmm...

I had a few dogs growing up.. none were "indoor" dogs.. Two german sheperds and a lab...

They were allowed in the polebarns, garages, sheds etc.. but not the house.. I really didn't think it was a big deal but according to this thread

it looks like we abused them.. :confused:
No. Everyone acknowledges the difference between a free-range farm or 10+ acre situation and a half acrr suburban situation.

Jaysus just doesn't see the difference
jaysus is gonna be pissed.

 

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