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[Steady Mooobin]

Im in a sportsline league. Yesterday I come home from work and read that Cedric Benson had signed with the Lions. Being in a pretty competitive 12 man league, and not have very good RB's, I promptly went to the add/drops and highlighted him and Matt Jones to be dropped so it was ready to go the very second I was ready. I opened up another tab and researched some more to find out he hadn't actually signed.

Then I went to the add/drop window typed in a different address and pressed enter. Instead of going to the new address, it pushed the add/drop through. I IMMEDIATELY CALLED THE COMISH THE VERY SECOND AFTER IT HAPPENED TO TELL HIM ABOUT MY MISTAKE. Literally the very second after it happened.

Then he tells me Im #### out of luck. Shouldn't the commissioner be able to correct things like this, provided I didn't wait awhile to let him know? So if another player dropped LT or Moss, they would be SOL too?

 

[Milwalkeysbeast]

What do your league rules specify the ruling would be in this situation? Do you rules address? If not , you have to force the issue with everyone in your league. You have a valid case, accidents happen. The fact that you called right away should be proof it was a mistaken entry.

If the commissioner give you trouble, take it to the people. If they were in the same situation, they would want this resolved as well. Suggest a change and add to the rules if needed.

 

[hook014]

Yeah, since you called immediately I would have just fixed it. Having said that, You would have used your computer mulligan pretty early in the season. And you should expect only one.

Sounds like there might be some issues regarding the waiver wire in that league. Maybe doesn't involve you, but it's there just the same. Question is, has he taken a hard line with someone else and cant back off now with you? Do you have a bad history w/ the Commish? Could be a lot of things.

BTW, in a 12 team competitive league wouldn't Matt Jones have some trade value? Why would you flat out drop him anyway?

 

[habsfan]

Our rules state that I will not get involved in fixing "operator error" issues on our league site but that is based on seeing some "interesting" adds/drops over the years. Even with that said, I'm thinking it's a bit too cut and dry. I wanted to avoid these judgment call situations in between what happened to you and the other extreme where an owner is clearly trying to tell you "their dog ate their homework".

I am considering the "mulligan" idea for next year now, when the owner can establish it was a technical error rather than a judgment error (and it's brought to my attention in a timely manner).

 

[Godsbrother]

Accidents happen. You immediately notified the commish about the mistake and no one picked up the player you dropped yet so I see no reason why the commish wouldn't reverse the transaction.

If he really wanted to be a stickler he could still charge you the transaction fees associated with the moves but to not give you back the player you dropped makes me think this guy is a major tool.

 

[PatrickT]

People take this too seriously. I would've fixed it. Still, lesson learned to you, no reason for you to have arranged everything to be ready at the click of a button and put yourself in that situation.

 

[Bankerguy]

Accidents happen. You immediately notified the commish about the mistake and no one picked up the player you dropped yet so I see no reason why the commish wouldn't reverse the transaction. If he really wanted to be a stickler he could still charge you the transaction fees associated with the moves but to not give you back the player you dropped makes me think this guy is a major tool.

Rules are rules, but common sense should prevail here. If the mistake had negatively impacted another owner or gave you an unfair advantage that would be different. Tell Francis to lighten up a bit and reverse it.

 

[Road Warriors]

As a commish, this is a no brainer for me. I fix the issue with no questions asked.

Immediate notification is the key here.

 

[Txns8]

League ridicule is appropriate, but refusing to reverse the trade is pretty crappy. On the other hand, it is Matt Freakin Jones. Don't get your panties in a wad.

 

[Tubalcane]

If you are in one of those "free" sportsline (I'm assuming you're talking about CBS Sportsline) leagues, then the commish doesn't have any say in the matter. Most of that is automated. The Commish sets up the draft and draft time, and other than having the deciding vote on trade veto's, he's just another owner.

But If he does have control, and he chooses not to fix an obvious mistake...then he's probably kin to Al Davis or something. In which case you should raise hell.

 

[blackjack23]

How can we help you?

 

[BobbyLayne]

I think the one additional step you could have taken is to post a message on the league message board ASAP after notifying the commish. While he is the one who will make the call, it makes it look more transparent to your league mates.

Few years ago some guy sent me a ridiculous trade offer out of the blue, so I sent him an equally lopsided counter. He accidentally accepted it. Within five minutes he had notified the commish of his mistake AND posted a message on the league board.

Anyone who came by the league site a day or two later would see the acceptance, reversal and message post and think "Dude made a mistake, no big deal". But if that same person just saw the transaction and reversal, or a whiny post a day later, the perception is completely different.

 

[Doug B]

Frank, do you have to wait a day for Matt Jones to clear waivers? Will you be able to drop Benson and get Jones back (after waiting a day), or are you pretty sure someone will snap Jones up?

 

[BobbyLayne]

Oops...double post. Gimme a mulligan.

 

[Sweeper]

You knew the answers you were going to get but how does that help you?

Are you going to go back to him and show him the results of this poll, hoping he'll change his mind?

I mean, he could've went either way - reversing the move or not. He made a decision and now you are here. How is this thread going to change anything for you? What is it you hope to accomplish?

 

[SayWhat?]

:Best Allen Iverson voice:

"We're talkin' bout Ced Benson. CED BENSON. And Matt Jones. MATT JONES. Benson. Jones. This isn't Reggie Wayne we're talking about. We're talkin' about.....Matt..........Jones. Jones."

 

[Doug B]

:Best Allen Iverson voice:"We're talkin' bout Ced Benson. CED BENSON. And Matt Jones. MATT JONES. Benson. Jones. This isn't Reggie Wayne we're talking about. We're talkin' about.....Matt..........Jones. Jones."

In before the guys that play in 16-team leagues with 40-man rosters come in to claim that neither of these guys would be available in their leagues.

 

[MCguidance]

Everyone is different. Our league has a NFL Pool picks league and my friend forgot to enter his picks last week but did so for another league. I went back and entered his picks for him since he forgot. I first mad ehim email the picks for the other league and then made the move. It's a game, people need to realize that. Next time, though, be careful!

 

[Steady Mooobin]

You knew the answers you were going to get but how does that help you? Are you going to go back to him and show him the results of this poll, hoping he'll change his mind? I mean, he could've went either way - reversing the move or not. He made a decision and now you are here. How is this thread going to change anything for you? What is it you hope to accomplish?

At the very least I'm just hoping he reads this and sees the right thing would be to fix it. It was a mistake. Having the attitude that the others will ##### and moan and that's why he won't fix it is ridiculous. This isn't an automated league. This is about the 10th year in. I'm not really making a huge deal out of it. It is Matt Jones after all. It's more on the principal that I would hope others would get their mistake fixed in the future.

 

[Phurfur]

We are talking about Benson and Matt Jones! They are both avaialble on most waiver wires. Hopefully you have learned a valuable lesson and it didn't cost you much. If this had happened to me I would not have brought it up. I bet you can get Jones back next week.

 

[Topes]

Browsers/Pages have become increasingly ill-behaved. I hate the internet.

 

[identikit]

First time I've heard of dropping Matt Jones being a mistake....

 

[Phurfur]

Browsers/Pages have become increasingly ill-behaved. I hate the internet.

And it is almost always operator abuse.

 

[KyleBasa]

For even considering Cedric Benson as a roster add, I would like to formally extend an invitation for you to join my league.

 

[Kovax]

I did the same thing earlier this season and accidentally dropped Chris Johnson. Luckily, the commish was cool about it and fixed it for me. But this is a league with the same owners for prolly 7 or 8 years. So I would say that yes, he should fix it. But since it was matt jones (and not someone on the level of Chris Johnson) just let it go.

 

[Buckeyedawgs]

I think you need to learn your mistake and eat it. As a commish I hate to fix goofs!

I don't think anyone has ever asked me to fix a Waiver goof and if they did I would probaly tell them in this situation NO! EACH IS RESPONSIBLE TO THERE OWN ACTIONS.

My leagues are highly competive $$ leagues and I throw a lot of extra bucks in it.

My suggestion to you is move on. Dump Benson and find you another free agent. If you gave me any crap I'd just replace you if your not happy! Where else can you find 3 or 4 hundred bucks of free prize money each and every year every league I run. I don't tolerate any of this crap. Never had and never will. I pay you to play in my leagues. I am not and will not be your babysitter!

 

[Kovax]

I think you need to learn your mistake and eat it. As a commish I hate to fix goofs! I don't think anyone has ever asked me to fix a Waiver goof and if they did I would probaly tell them in this situation NO! EACH IS RESPONSIBLE TO THERE OWN ACTIONS. My leagues are highly competive $$ leagues and I throw a lot of extra bucks in it. My suggestion to you is move on. Dump Benson and find you another free agent. If you gave me any crap I'd just replace you if your not happy! Where else can you find 3 or 4 hundred bucks of free prize money each and every year every league I run. I don't tolerate any of this crap. Never had and never will. I pay you to play in my leagues. I am not and will not be your babysitter!

Please be sure to vote in the poll so no doubt can be had about your opinion.

 

[nyftbl_giants]

Our commish would have let you left a message, then fixed it, erase your message and act like he didnt know what your talking about if it was brought up again. LOL Only because it was so obvious you didnt want to make that move by contacting him immediately.

 

[Charlie Harper]

Im in a sportsline league. Yesterday I come home from work and read that Cedric Benson had signed with the Lions. Being in a pretty competitive 12 man league, and not have very good RB's, I promptly went to the add/drops and highlighted him and Matt Jones to be dropped so it was ready to go the very second I was ready. I opened up another tab and researched some more to find out he hadn't actually signed.

Then I went to the add/drop window typed in a different address and pressed enter. Instead of going to the new address, it pushed the add/drop through. I IMMEDIATELY CALLED THE COMISH THE VERY SECOND AFTER IT HAPPENED TO TELL HIM ABOUT MY MISTAKE. Literally the very second after it happened.

Then he tells me Im #### out of luck. Shouldn't the commissioner be able to correct things like this, provided I didn't wait awhile to let him know? So if another player dropped LT or Moss, they would be SOL too?

If you did your research before you got the waiver all setup this wouldn't be a problem.You screwed up. Deal with it.

 

[Dirk Digler]

Sorry I dont buy it. I saw the breaking news (erroneus report) that he had signed, I quickly ran and picked him up (dropping trash) just to find out very shorty after that it was incorrect reporting. It's live by the "breaking news/proactive owner" die by the "breaking news/proactive owner" when it come to the waiver wire.

and even if your telling the complete truth, your the one that put the bullet in the gun, cocked the hammer and put your finger on the trigger so you could get the first shot off before anyone else. You should have known the danger of playing with a loaded gun and ignoring all safety precautions just so you could be "johnny on the spot" on the waiver wire. Be more careful, lesson learned. At least it only cost you Matt JOnes.

 

[LionsFan78]

For even considering Cedric Benson as a roster add, I would like to formally extend an invitation for you to join my league.

Enough with #### posts like this already

 

[[icon]]

As a commish, this is a no brainer for me. I fix the issue with no questions asked. Immediate notification is the key here.

I'd bust your balls about it and maybe even change your team name to "FatFingers" or something lame like that as a "stupid tax" but you'd get your guy back.

 

[Addai's Adidas]

It was a fluid situation. He was reported as signed, then not signed. Maybe the news that he was NOT signed came right after you made the add/drop? We don't know that. Neither does the commish. Other players are reported as injured then not injured and vise versa all the time. As a commish I would make you live with it.

Add drops are part of the game too.

 

[heinfatha]

Ya, Matt Jones sux, do't let it get ya too fired up.

 

[LionelHutz057]

Our rules state that I will not get involved in fixing "operator error" issues on our league site but that is based on seeing some "interesting" adds/drops over the years. Even with that said, I'm thinking it's a bit too cut and dry. I wanted to avoid these judgment call situations in between what happened to you and the other extreme where an owner is clearly trying to tell you "their dog ate their homework".I am considering the "mulligan" idea for next year now, when the owner can establish it was a technical error rather than a judgment error (and it's brought to my attention in a timely manner).

How do you establish that? If I'm another owner in the league and this happens, how do I know that your weird waiver move had to do with an error vs. you talked to someone who knows FF and they laughed in your face and now you are trying to save yourself. The rule needs to be, either a) you have x minutes y times to fix this - w/o any sort of wiggle room re: minutes to alert everyone or b) it stands - decide what you want to do before you enter the info OR don't whine when it goes bad.Also, seriously, you dropped Matt Jones... if this happened w/MBIII or ADP, I could understand the worry... but you've clearly decided that Matt Jones isn't going to be on your team longer, so why don't you just go and find a new RB on the waiver wire - Hightower, Sproles, something like that? Cedric is a drunk anyways.

 

[Team Legacy]

The single most important element to consider here is the TIMING. You stated on 3 seperate occasions that you notified him the VERY SECOND after it went thru. That in of itself screams MISTAKE, not regret, or indecisiveness or even a changed mind. This was CLEARLY a mistake and should be rectified regardless of the written rules. You simply cannot write a rule for everything.

 

[ChromeWeasel]

Im in a sportsline league. Yesterday I come home from work and read that Cedric Benson had signed with the Lions. Being in a pretty competitive 12 man league, and not have very good RB's, I promptly went to the add/drops and highlighted him and Matt Jones to be dropped so it was ready to go the very second I was ready. I opened up another tab and researched some more to find out he hadn't actually signed.

Then I went to the add/drop window typed in a different address and pressed enter. Instead of going to the new address, it pushed the add/drop through. I IMMEDIATELY CALLED THE COMISH THE VERY SECOND AFTER IT HAPPENED TO TELL HIM ABOUT MY MISTAKE. Literally the very second after it happened.

Then he tells me Im #### out of luck. Shouldn't the commissioner be able to correct things like this, provided I didn't wait awhile to let him know? So if another player dropped LT or Moss, they would be SOL too?

Can't you just submit another add/drop and return your team to normal?Did anyone pick up Matt Jones?

Shouldn't be that big of a deal, really. I can't criticize your commish for keeping his hands out of it.

Edited to note that I did this to myself last year and had to wait 24 hours to pick my player back up again, and paid another $2 for the transaction. My thought is that players in my league wouldnt want me to correct a mistake like that for myself. It's not fair to do it for someone else either.

 

[Steady Mooobin]

Sorry I dont buy it. I saw the breaking news (erroneus report) that he had signed, I quickly ran and picked him up (dropping trash) just to find out very shorty after that it was incorrect reporting. It's live by the "breaking news/proactive owner" die by the "breaking news/proactive owner" when it come to the waiver wire.and even if your telling the complete truth, your the one that put the bullet in the gun, cocked the hammer and put your finger on the trigger so you could get the first shot off before anyone else. You should have known the danger of playing with a loaded gun and ignoring all safety precautions just so you could be "johnny on the spot" on the waiver wire. Be more careful, lesson learned. At least it only cost you Matt JOnes.

I hate the grammar police. However, they should lock you up, and throw away the key.

 

[Steady Mooobin]

It's not the end of the world. It is just the principal of the matter. I've been in this league for 10 years. It was an accident.

I told them I wasn't worried about it, however, I want the same treatment when some schmuck drops LT or any other valuable player.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Pick up Jerry Porter and start him against the commish. Oh, and rename your team to "#### Out Of Luck"

 

[Vintage_Football]

It's not the end of the world. It is just the principal of the matter. I've been in this league for 10 years. It was an accident. I told them I wasn't worried about it, however, I want the same treatment when some schmuck drops LT or any other valuable player.

Yeah, i can really see when S Alexander is about to sign with the Cincy Bengals, someone putting LT in the drop box, and waiting to see if he's actually signed yet. There is no excuse for your potheaded mistakes man. You live by the kool-aid you die by the suga, ya dig?

 

[FightingWombat]

You knew the answers you were going to get but how does that help you? Are you going to go back to him and show him the results of this poll, hoping he'll change his mind? I mean, he could've went either way - reversing the move or not. He made a decision and now you are here. How is this thread going to change anything for you? What is it you hope to accomplish?

At the very least I'm just hoping he reads this and sees the right thing would be to fix it. It was a mistake. Having the attitude that the others will ##### and moan and that's why he won't fix it is ridiculous. This isn't an automated league. This is about the 10th year in. I'm not really making a huge deal out of it. It is Matt Jones after all. It's more on the principal that I would hope others would get their mistake fixed in the future.

The precedent is set. When some guy in your league accidentally drops Tony Romo or AP, grab him off the wire ASAP. If there are no Mulligans now, there are no Mulligans when someone drops a real player. In the league I commish, I would have fixed the mistake. I do feel its up to the individual commish. You are not guaranteed this luxury.

 

[Interseptopus]

As Commish of my league, I would have considered fixing it since it really isn't a smart move in the first place. Even if Benson signed with DET, I don't think he's even worth a roster spot (yeah Millen, your RUSHING game is what needs fixing...... )

However, if you're stupid enough to try and jump on Cedric Benson after he's been out of football how long now, and was JUST thinking about coming back now in an already crowded backfield with an impressive rookie... then you deserve to lose your player. Benson is awful. He will never hold any value in fantasy football ever. Rudi Johnson was at least in football shape, and he hasn't really seen the field. Imagine Benson buried in that depth chart. Absolutely absurd to think he holds any value.

Here is what I would have said to a player in my league:

I understand it was a mistake, however I cannot make this switch. If I did that then what is stopping anyone from picking up a player rumored to sign with a team, and then when they find out he hasn't they petition for a switch back? How do I KNOW that you did not make this pickup, do more research, and realize he wasn't worth it? It's your own fault for making this drop. I appologize that I cannot help you. Frankly, my opinion is if you're stupid enough to think Benson holds any value at all, even if he signed with ANY other team in the NFL, then you deserve to lose your player.

Now to the OP:

I don't know what you're trying to accomplish with this thread. I know you understand it's Matt Jones, not LT or anything like that. I think the opinion of a bunch of forum trolls should mean nothing. We cannot tell your commish how to run his league. It is HIS league. If you don't like it, leave. You have to respect his decision. You've already shown your displeasure with his decision, but you really don't have any say. He is the commish, what's done is done. If it were a more significant player that you made this mistake for, then I would make the switch just to keep the integrity of the league- why should the #1 WW cash in on you releasing Ryan Grant for Cedric Benson (Just an example). However if you're dumb enough to make that decision, then I don't want you in my league anyways.

To your Commish:

I think you made the right decision, and you must stick by it. I think this owner made a ridiculously stupid move to even consider Benson roster-spot worthy. I understand it's a competative league, but there is NO WAY it is SO competative that CEDRIC BENSON holds value when he might sign on with a team to be a 4th string backup. I commend your decision. Vintage Football (2 posts above mine) said it best. You can't blame anyone but yourself for potheaded moves. Benson deserves no fantasy value even if he signs with the Chargers, Patriots, Vikings, etc. This is just ridiculous and there is no way you give this guy his player back. Frankly, I don't believe his story. Computers don't just up and decide to make decisions for you. You have to push enter, or okay, or execute. In fact, many leagues toggle you to second pages to make sure you want to drop a player. This guy is jerking your chain, and if he doesn't like the way you manage things, tough luck.

Dropping Matt Jones for Cedric Benson... wow... just plain stupid.

It's a surprise I actually ask for input on trades in these forums... I have to keep reminding myself that I'm probably a better FF owner than 95% of the people on here, so why on earth would I take their advice on anything. This thread just reinforces those thoughts...

 

[Bri]

Accidents happen. You immediately notified the commish about the mistake and no one picked up the player you dropped yet so I see no reason why the commish wouldn't reverse the transaction. If he really wanted to be a stickler he could still charge you the transaction fees associated with the moves but to not give you back the player you dropped makes me think this guy is a major tool.

Rules are rules, but common sense should prevail here. If the mistake had negatively impacted another owner or gave you an unfair advantage that would be different. Tell Francis to lighten up a bit and reverse it.

I've been down too many slippery slopes with that one. I say leave it to avoid the upcoming next owner asking for the reversal as well.Plus shouldn't there be a penalty for trying to acquire Cedric Benson?

 

[Doug Drinen]

Accidents happen. You immediately notified the commish about the mistake and no one picked up the player you dropped yet so I see no reason why the commish wouldn't reverse the transaction.

If he really wanted to be a stickler he could still charge you the transaction fees associated with the moves but to not give you back the player you dropped makes me think this guy is a major tool.

Rules are rules, but common sense should prevail here. If the mistake had negatively impacted another owner or gave you an unfair advantage that would be different. Tell Francis to lighten up a bit and reverse it.

I've been down too many slippery slopes with that one.

I'm with Bri, to an extent.It's not as simple as applying common sense. Depending on the nature of the league --- how geographically spread out they are and how long they've known each other --- reversing something like this can potentially cause a commish a whole lot of hassle.

If it's a league with 12 guys who work in adjoining cubicles and who have been buddies since high school, there's probably no harm in reversing it. If it's a league where not everyone knows each other and the main mode of communication is email, then it could be trouble.

Some guy gets home from work, reads his email, and sees the reversal. He's quite rightly wondering just what the heck is going on. Now, as a commish, I have to write him an email. Maybe more if he doesn't agree with the way I've handled things. Or I could choose to write a pre-emptive email to the league to explain the situation, but that still might leave me answering a few followup emails from people with more questions or who don't agree.

And then what about the guy who comes to me and says, "hey, wait a minute, I made an accidental drop two weeks ago. But I just sucked it up because it was my mistake and I didn't realize that you'd undo our mistakes for us. That really stinks." Frankly, I think that guy has a pretty good point. As a commish, I'm not exactly sure what I'd say to him. Again, if I'd known him for years, it would probably be no big deal. But if you're dealing with a bunch of guys you don't know very well, that's not a fun email conversation to have.

The point is: being a commish is a big enough headache when this kind of thing isn't happening. Even if it's a completely honest mistake, it's still your mistake. It's really not cool to ask me to (potentially) deal with a bunch of hassles because of your mistake.

That said, I'd probably reverse it in this case. But I wouldn't blame any commissioner that didn't want to.

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

Pick up Jerry Porter and start him against the commish. Oh, and rename your team to "#### Out Of Luck"

I think he should change his name to "Yes I picked up Ced Benson because I thought the Lions had signed him - the Lions. When I mentioned this to myself (as in I'm crazy enough to think Ced Benson is worth a flip so, yes, I talk to myself) I immediately remembered how good of a WR Matt Jones was and that he was on one of the most prolific passing offenses in the NFL. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid."It's going to be tough to fit in, but I think it works. On a serious note. I think the move should be reversed but the OP should be severely ridiculed and verbally beaten. A lot.

 

[dagwood]

Its unfortunate...but obviously Matt Jones is your least desirable player....so now Cedric Benson becomes your least desirable player...you are going to pick someone over the next 14 weeks.....just cut Benson when you do...

 

[W1cked]

:Best Allen Iverson voice:"We're talkin' bout Ced Benson. CED BENSON. And Matt Jones. MATT JONES. Benson. Jones. This isn't Reggie Wayne we're talking about. We're talkin' about.....Matt..........Jones. Jones."

 

[Liquid Tension]

Im in a sportsline league. Yesterday I come home from work and read that Cedric Benson had signed with the Lions. Being in a pretty competitive 12 man league, and not have very good RB's, I promptly went to the add/drops and highlighted him and Matt Jones to be dropped so it was ready to go the very second I was ready. I opened up another tab and researched some more to find out he hadn't actually signed.

Then I went to the add/drop window typed in a different address and pressed enter. Instead of going to the new address, it pushed the add/drop through. I IMMEDIATELY CALLED THE COMISH THE VERY SECOND AFTER IT HAPPENED TO TELL HIM ABOUT MY MISTAKE. Literally the very second after it happened.

Then he tells me Im #### out of luck. Shouldn't the commissioner be able to correct things like this, provided I didn't wait awhile to let him know? So if another player dropped LT or Moss, they would be SOL too?

We have a 2 minute rule that if you immediately let the commish know of your mistake to accept a trade or something like you have done, it can be voided.

 

[footballnerd]

:Best Allen Iverson voice:"We're talkin' bout Ced Benson. CED BENSON. And Matt Jones. MATT JONES. Benson. Jones. This isn't Reggie Wayne we're talking about. We're talkin' about.....Matt..........Jones. Jones."

As a commissioner I'd reverse the transaction, but sounds like yours might not. You could get on your soap box and seek backing from the rest of the league, but you risk getting ridiculed for picking up Cedric Benson and fighting for Matt Jones, instead. Your call.