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Yeah, I'm getting tired of joining games only to have the host/creator go AWOL before turn 1. I think I'm just going to setup invite-only matches from now on.
I found it best to keep my armies together as much as possible in the beginning. At least in 50+ groups, if not 100 or more. Usually after turn 2 or 3 (before you can make it all the way through France) he'll get a large set of reinforcements (50-100) coming out of italy or dropped in to S France. You need those large groups of armies, plus your airlift reinforcements, to keep pushing through. Once you lock up France the AI will usually ignore the Iberian Peninsula so you can pick through it with minimal armies. As you move E, break up his bonuses ASAP. Once you control Italy and Germany you should have more bonuses than the AI and it should be just about all down hill from there. Gobble up the bonuses in the S while the Russians can still be a nuisance to the Germans in the N and the rest should be cake.And never, ever airlift reinforcements to the Russians. Keep them all for yourself until the wave of your armies is just more than the Germans can handle.
This is bad advice. I used to play that way, then I tried giving the Airlifts to the Soviets, plus one of the 50 army groups you start with. Finished in 19 turns, which is close to the record. Depending on how things are going, you can give the last Airlift to yourself, but the first 2 need to go to the Russians.
I think I gave 1 to the Soviets (the 3rd maybe?) and finished in 21 turns.
19 is faster
I'm willing to learn, though.
It seemed to me that the russian AI grossly misused any airlifts I'd give them, often to the point that the German AI could spend more reinforcements against me than the Russians. Where do you drop the airlifts to the Russians? Does it matter?
Drop them wherever the Germans have big stacks near, which is usually everywhere earlyI'm willing to learn, though.
You can tell what the Germans are going for, and what bonuses they will concentrate on, put them there. The Germans will bang their heads on the sudden popup of 120 armies and lose big, and the Soviets will use the reinforcements effectively. One reason this is a good strat is because if you take all the Airlifts, the Russians might get too beaten down and not take any territories in a turn, which hurts you because you don't get as many pieces of cards as you would. Give the Russians plenty of help, and they'll not only stand their own against the Germans but gradually beat them back, while at the same time causing less German reinforcements to come against you.Kind of like the real war. I believe there's an 8000 page Timoschet thread on it somewhere 
TexanFan02 said:Drop them wherever the Germans have big stacks near, which is usually everywhere earlySidewinder16 said:I'm willing to learn, though.TexanFan02 said:
Kind of like the real war. I believe there's an 8000 page Timoschet thread on it somewhere
Just tried it this way and could only finish in 24 turns. The first airlift worked like you said but the 2nd and 3rd airlifts didn't get hit with the bulk of the nearby German armies. Germany's large army and the Russians large army basically spent the rest of the game chasing each other in circles. This caused the Russians to cut me off along the E Europe/Russia border and in Scandanavia so I couldn't hit any German territories directly. I had to wait for the Germans to break through in one spot so I could flood in and finish the job right.
Hint: You can attack the Russians, and they don't mind at all.TexanFan02 said:Drop them wherever the Germans have big stacks near, which is usually everywhere earlySidewinder16 said:I'm willing to learn, though.TexanFan02 said:It seemed to me that the russian AI grossly misused any airlifts I'd give them, often to the point that the German AI could spend more reinforcements against me than the Russians. Where do you drop the airlifts to the Russians? Does it matter?
Kind of like the real war. I believe there's an 8000 page Timoschet thread on it somewhereJust tried it this way and could only finish in 24 turns. The first airlift worked like you said but the 2nd and 3rd airlifts didn't get hit with the bulk of the nearby German armies. Germany's large army and the Russians large army basically spent the rest of the game chasing each other in circles. This caused the Russians to cut me off along the E Europe/Russia border and in Scandanavia so I couldn't hit any German territories directly. I had to wait for the Germans to break through in one spot so I could flood in and finish the job right.
If the Russians hadn't cut me off I'm certain I could have had it done in 19 turns, though. With some luck and/or better Russian play, I may have been able to do it even sooner.
They don't always use them effectively.My Soviet comrades took the armies I gave them to defend Scandinavia and marched them out to Siberia, going around the massive German armies on their way.I endorse the strategy in general (I still won that game even though it took over 30 turns), but you can't trust the AI.TexanFan02 said:
Alright. I'll give it another shot.
I don't think so, but if they're right next to you they'll transfer armies to you. May have been a big stack you didn't notice and they decided to be generous.
That is exactly what it was. he had a huge stockpile and I was in the way - so he must have just gave them to me for the end game.
I don't understand what they're doing wrong. Are these FFA games instead of team games or something?
Yes, they're FFA games. Even in FFA games, you can have a truce, but the expectation is that both parties are playing to eventually win. Yako took over his starting territory, then stacked up all his armies from a card and bonus into one and just went strolling through Europe, then Africa. Then set up another army to go into Greenland. He didn't take and defend territories, his goal was to only break up region bonuses. The clarity of how closely they worked together is shown in History. We were playing with fog, so it took many turns into the game to figure out what was going on - and actually, to be clear which other player Yako was assisting. If you look at Ken's bio page, he has a very good win %. Yako, had only a few games played total.Game HistoryTick said:
There's some luck involved, the AI's don't always progress in the same way. If you want to try it again:1. Try setting bigger Abandons. At least 150 for the one in Svalsbard S, more in Anaydr N. I think when I won it I put 300 in that one.2. Try restarting till you get all 3 starting bonuses on turn 2. It can be done, and it helps.3. Read the guide posted in spoilers in this thread, it's a huge help.
really? that sounds like a lot of retries
Nah, you'd be surprised. There's a couple of ways I've tried it, this is one I remember: Put one in Cuba, hope that you end up with 7 in central America. Put the other 4 in Africa, attack 2 spaces with 3 and one with 4. You'll get it after about 3-8 tries.Oh, and don't watch the turn, just skip to end. If you don't get what you want, just restart.
I just tried it my way and got it on the first try. There's a lot of luck involved, but it's doable multiple ways.If you get 7 in Central America, you can put all your reinforcements in Africa and India, as needed.
Are you in my game? Sorry.
Yep. Can't avoid the idiots in this game sometimes.Are you in my game? Sorry.
Yeah, checking profiles would have helped with this guy. So far he's beat level 1, and this is his first multiplayer game. Probably in way over his head.
Beat it again. First time 42 turns, this time 41 turns
Don't give up if you think you're doing well. Prereqs for success: You must drop at least an 150 abandon in Svalsbard S. Next, which is much harder, drop at least a 250 abandon in Anadyr N. It's harder because that AI can bring the pain, and it will take several turns before you get the abandon. If he breaks through, give up.If you can do that, and have a big enough income, kill the AI coming in from your Norway and Europe. It's tough, but do it.At the same time, watch out for the AI's coming through your South America and Australia. Try to delay them as much as you can.If you can, hold Canada. I couldn't. He had 3 guys in his South America, I put 20 against them, he added 50 and killed me. Ignore it until you've killed Europe/Norway. Even before you eliminate the AI in Europe/Norway, get some guys into Norway and push into his Africa. Feed these forces, they're your only hope. Push through his Africa and you've probably won.Don't give up. The Ai's took my Canada, Western and Eastern US, and Central and South America at one point. They also dropped 50 armies into my Indonesia. Not to mention an 80 strength army hanging around in Canada. Plus some huge armies on their side in the Middle East and Europe. But I was taking their bonuses on the other side, and got them all back in end.The AI is kind of stupid sometimes, but not as much as in other games. One thing you can do when all seems lost is drop an Abandon.For example, I was in his Africa, and pushing into Asia when I noticed a 200 strength army. Ugh. But then that army screwed around, and ended up opposite me in Spain. It had no one to attack but Spain. This is important, because if you have even a 1 army territory adjacent, he might decide to throw all 200 armies against it. Since he had nowhere to go but Spain, I loaded it up and dropped an abandon on it, killing 200 armies.
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yes, I think my wife already hates this game more than she ever hated mafia wars.
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