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I just finished the video - it’s not that long but they do a lot of introductory stuff explaining how the contest works, so seasoned FF’ers can skip by it.
Lineup changes after the lock.
Where did that little nugget come from?
The guys who uncovered it found a decade-long Twitter relationship between the employee & player.
Yep - that absolutely occurred to me.
Agreed.
On that YouTube video, one of the dudes expressed shock at what happened, and made the statement that the lineup change after lock is like something you’d see happen in a home league with a cheating commish.
Having never used their site nor knowing anything about the contest, the biggest red flag I see is that someone with elevated rights to their software can make lineup changes after lock at all.
My initial reaction was that demon was code for drinking/drugs and that was the excuse for a one time thing. However if this goes back a ways, I think those issues tend to come to light over the years and the owner seemed shocked by everything that occurred.
Yes, people often use the term “demons” to describe peoples addictions, which could really be anything.
We lost my favorite ever league to that. Dynasty with IDP, 5 or 6 years in. Very active managers, tons of trades.
Yeah, I posted his comments 1st because I believe him, and believe he’s a stand-up guy who’ll do the right thing.
Well, that is certainly a big deal.
Sounds like a trend
I’m extremely confident they’re going to figure out that it was more than this 1 time.
Kinda like a cheating spouse. Rarely does it occur just one time. If it’s in the DNA……..
Also swapped Rice for Kelce *after* the Kelce TD. Kelce went on to score 2 TDs.
Help me understand, because I didn’t watch the video. Did the employee and the player split winnings? Or was it just the employee who benefited? Or just the employee’s friend who benefited?
For the current known scandal, no - the contest is ongoing. Hold ‘Em is a weekly game where you set a lineup of players. Players who advance get a multiplier x the round. You reload the roster weekly to fill in eliminated players.
IMO, salvageable - but yeah, that it’s an ongoing contest makes it even more important to inform everyone invested in it that there’s been an incident.
That comment section of that video. Henry Muto chimes in. I haven’t watched all of the vid yet, but I did read all of those comments. It’s hard to not agree.
Oh I missed that. I try to avoid the comments section.
I know. I probably need to rethink playing online poker. I don’t play very often and I play low stakes but still.
I just assume there's cheating in every big contest so I don't enter such things. The Fanduel employee using data for Draft Kings (or was it the other way around?) was just one example. I limit my play only to FFPC, and only to 12 team or less leagues. I would never be able to detect shenanigans in a 1000+ person contest. I MAY be able to notice something in a 12 person league, with head-to-head lineups, etc. Of course there are possibilities to cheat there as well, just presumably less likely.I know. I probably need to rethink playing online poker. I don’t play very often and I play low stakes but still.
They posted something on their site yesterday. The player played in 124 contest and only placed in the money in 7 leagues had a very poor year so maybe this is truly the 1st time anything happened who knows. The NFFC is my favorite site to play. I have done very well there over the years and won my 2nd National Championship this season (My other was in 2012).
It could be a situation where there was a more sophisticated level of cheating that failed to work in that moment, but had been working previously. Like a PED guy who passed 100 tests but failed that one time after being careless with the masking steps.
Yeah, I linked to it in the 1st post.They posted something on their site yesterday. The player played in 124 contest and only placed in the money in 7 leagues had a very poor year so maybe this is truly the 1st time anything happened who knows. The NFFC is my favorite site to play. I have done very well there over the years and won my 2nd National Championship this season (My other was in 2012).
I will continue to play there without reservations. Tom and Greg are great owners and have done a lot of the industry.
NFFC Employee Fired After Illegal Move Was Detected - NFFC Message Boards
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I don’t see any of that as applicable here.I just assume there's cheating in every big contest so I don't enter such things. The Fanduel employee using data for Draft Kings (or was it the other way around?) was just one example. I limit my play only to FFPC, and only to 12 team or less leagues. I would never be able to detect shenanigans in a 1000+ person contest. I MAY be able to notice something in a 12 person league, with head-to-head lineups, etc. Of course there are possibilities to cheat there as well, just presumably less likely.I know. I probably need to rethink playing online poker. I don’t play very often and I play low stakes but still.
Most importantly, there's also the possibility online sites like this could just shut down tomorrow and walk away with everyone's cash. Thus I'll never play the real high stakes stuff that would really hurt if I'm cheated.
Not sure what there is to go after.
You don’t know what booty was gained in the past. I doubt this is the first time.
It would be naive to think money hasn’t already been made in the past.
