NFL Overtime Rules And Allowing For a Tie (2 Viewers)

[Summer Wheat]

If I was Dictator of the NFL:

• Substantially narrow the goal posts by at least 50%. Arena football width of 9' would work
• allows extra points to go back to the same spot as a 2-point conversions. You can go for either without declaring, as it should be
• OT goes back to the first score wins, and teams can win on a field goal:
  • NO KICKOFFS, NO COIN TOSSES.
  • Head coaches walk out to mid-field and submit their "blind bid" on paper
  • the team willing to start from the worst starting field position wins first possession
  • the worst position possible is from your own 1-yard line. However, coaches can additionally bid to start from that location as a 1st & 10, 1st & 20, all the way up to 1st & goal, and then 2nd, 3rd, or even 4th & goal (which no team would ever bid in practice)
  • Any ties at this point can be settled by coinflip or defaulting to the home team.

From there, I don't mind allowing ties after a 10 or 15-minute scoreless OT. Even with the narrow posts, there wouldn't be many ties if you give them 15 minutes. I don't mind that ties can occasionally happen. I'm not offended by making it an untimed sudden death, but NFLPA...

Narrow the goal posts, or eliminate soccer style kicking. Make kickers kick it head on with their square toe. Was watching old NFL films and then looking at stats. Kickers had trouble from 40 out. And that is the way it should be. It is NFL tackle football, not a kicking contest.
Long FGs are ruining the game. 2 passes in 20 seconds and teams are in FG range.

 

[beef]

Playoffs only. Make it a full 15. If still tied after that then both teams lose. Or sudden death.

 

[smbkrypt24]

What's your take?

NFL should only have overtime in the playoffs in the first place

100% agreed. I don't think overtime should exist until the playoffs. In any sport really. If its tied at the end of regulation, then it should be a tie. OT should only apply in games where there must be a winner.

Curious do you believe the same should exist for lower level sports? Everything could end in a tie except for playoff games?

 

[Ray_T]

I know people say stuff like that but it's been my experience there are a ton of knowledgeable fans there and I interact with a ton of them.

Those are two different things.
1. There are knowledgeable people there
2. 60% of X users are bots.

only 60%. given the quality of the chatter I figured that number was higher.

waste of time to try to have a conversation there.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

waste of time to try to have a conversation there.

Not to mention the fact that they explicitly allowed Neo-Nazis and credibly accused predators back on after Elmo took over & lifted their suspensions. And that they’re actively/openly manipulating their AI. Anyone still posting there or maintaining an account after that is lending credibility to that place. Ick.

But I digress. Suffice to say I find any poll taken in that sespool to be highly suspect.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

If still tied after that then both teams lose

Ok this is a twist I could get behind.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

No problem with ties whatsoever. They have draws in boxing. It's just the regular season. We don't absolutely need a declared winner.

If anything, I like the fact that there's a much smaller chance that those teams will be tied with another team for a playoff spot. I never loved the divisional wins tiebreaker. This way they'll either be ahead or behind another team completing for a spot. Clearer resolution imo.

Edit: Let's stop comparing ties to "kissing your sister." It's offensive to significant parts of this great country.

 

[beef]

If still tied after that then both teams lose

Ok this is a twist I could get behind.

That might not work out real well if one of the Conference Championship games ties.

 

[Hankmoody]

College system is great. Both teams get full chance on O to get it done and a full chance on D to get a stop. No one can argue about fairness. You earn it or you don't.

We have an entire channel dedicated to ignoring 80 yards of the field. With the opportunity to turn the game into rotating red zone matchups, this should be how it is. Each team gets a possession, start at 20, no PAT tries allowed. You score a TD you must go for 2 from the 4. Gratuitous tipping of the cap to "player safety" is satisfied by taking out kick returns/80 yards of crap, offensive excitement is maximized, and likelihood of extended play is much lower with mandatory 2 point conversions.

 

[Gally]

I’m just not sure why any changes need to be made when teams play dumb anyway.

I think they played that way because they didn't want to give the ball back to Dallas. 10 Minutes isn't long enough if both teams are getting the ball no matter what. It allows for the 2nd team to milk the clock and make sure they either tie or win on the last play of the game.

Add a couple minutes or make it a full quarter of time and this situations isn't as easy to manipulate.

 

[Gally]

College system is great. Both teams get full chance on O to get it done and a full chance on D to get a stop. No one can argue about fairness. You earn it or you don't.

I don't understand why so many people are against this method. My only alteration is that I would have each team start at their own 40 yd line so you actually have to get a first down or two to get into FG range. The college game starts already in FG range. I don't like that.

 

[Gally]

Curious do you believe the same should exist for lower level sports? Everything could end in a tie except for playoff games?

Since youth sports shouldn't be about winning and be about development there is no problem ending in ties for all non-playoff games.

 

[rschroeder1]

Here's another view on it:

Team A scores a TD on the first possession. Do they kick the extra point or go for 2 knowing the opponents are going to get the ball? Let's say they kick the extra point.

Team B scores a TD. Do they go for 2 to try to get the win? Do they kick the extra point knowing that the best they can earn is a tie?

Why eliminate such interesting decision-making from the game?

One of the critical moments from Sunday night's game was Aubrey's perfect kickoff in the landing zone just before the end zone, forcing a touchback at the 20 yard line. That chewed off enough clock (plus GB incompetence) to lead to the tie. If GB knows all they need is a FG to extend the game to a tiebreak scenario, suddenly that moment doesn't feel all that special.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Q: are onside kicks allowed in OT?

Could a team theoretically get the ball, score, and then recover an onside kick FTW?

 

[Gally]

Q: are onside kicks allowed in OT?

Could a team theoretically get the ball, score, and then recover an onside kick FTW?

I don't see why not. I would think the team to kick first should also be able to do an onsides kick, recover, score and end the game.

 

[karl.Racki]

Only NA sport (out of the majors) That allow a tie.. NFL needs to get into 2025 and change the rules. Go like College, but start at the opponents 40.. After 2 times if still tied.. each teams gets 1 play from the 5.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Only NA sport (out of the majors) That allow a tie.. NFL needs to get into 2025 and change the rules. Go like College, but start at the opponents 40.. After 2 times if still tied.. each teams gets 1 play from the 5.

I say mix it up a little and do a punt, pass, & kick competition. The twist is it would be coaches and assistants, not players.

 

[titusbramble]

What's your take?

NFL should only have overtime in the playoffs in the first place

Interesting. I don't think I've heard support for this before.

Are you saying if it's tied at the end of the 4th Quarter, then it's just a tie?

I do come from a land where we can have a sporting event run for five days and end in a draw so a three hour game is nothing to me

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

What's your take?

There is an older thread on this.

The NFL really blew it IMO. Ties are awful & sudden death was awesome.

 

[pinequick]

Q: are onside kicks allowed in OT?

Could a team theoretically get the ball, score, and then recover an onside kick FTW?

IDEA: OT = alternating onsides kicks. First team to successfully recover wins the game.

These games might go on until 3 a.m.

 

[Hankmoody]

My only alteration is that I would have each team start at their own 40 yd line

Personally I agree, but starting on the 20 is much more scoring friendly and player safety conscious. You can really sell "after playing a full game, we just want to reduce the amount of wear and tear in overtime" with that rule.

 

[Wigglytuff's Gruff]

I do come from a land where we can have a sporting event run for five days and end in a draw so a three hour game is nothing to me

And those tie games can be absolutely INCREDIBLE as well.

edit - why the hell did I write 'tie' here? It's a draw.

 

[KellysHeroes]

What's your take?

NFL should only have overtime in the playoffs in the first place

Interesting. I don't think I've heard support for this before.

Are you saying if it's tied at the end of the 4th Quarter, then it's just a tie?

Yes, I like it

 

[fightingillini]

College system is great. Both teams get full chance on O to get it done and a full chance on D to get a stop. No one can argue about fairness. You earn it or you don't.

We have an entire channel dedicated to ignoring 80 yards of the field. With the opportunity to turn the game into rotating red zone matchups, this should be how it is. Each team gets a possession, start at 20, no PAT tries allowed. You score a TD you must go for 2 from the 4. Gratuitous tipping of the cap to "player safety" is satisfied by taking out kick returns/80 yards of crap, offensive excitement is maximized, and likelihood of extended play is much lower with mandatory 2 point conversions.

This. I never understood why some hate the college rules. I like it.

I would change it slightly for the NFL.......each get a possession....start at the 10, first and goal. You must go for 2 after every TD. Likely a game will not need more than 2 iterations so we're talking only 8 more snaps.

 

[Snoopy]

Q: are onside kicks allowed in OT?

Could a team theoretically get the ball, score, and then recover an onside kick FTW?

I think the ew onsides rules state you have to be behind as a condition od doing so.

 

[Gally]

Q: are onside kicks allowed in OT?

Could a team theoretically get the ball, score, and then recover an onside kick FTW?

I think the ew onsides rules state you have to be behind as a condition od doing so.

that makes things even more dumb

 

[JohnnyU]

Ties are cool when you feel you should have lost. It has the opposite effect when you feel you should have won. After watching the NFL for 60 years I think ties are good for the game.