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chet said:
Doctor Detroit said:
chet said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
If LA wins the cup next year are they a dynasty too? Can u have two dynasties at once??
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We will cross that bridge when we get there.
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Doubt we ever get there, Kings are a two HOFer team which kind of represent today's salary cap NHL. Blackhawks also not a dynasty, suggesting so is hilarious.
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Many disagree with you. You might want to have a look at this week's SI.
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I tend to agree it isn't a dynasty. Dynasty to me means 3 in a row or 4 out of 5, those kinds of numbers. It's still an incredible feat to do 3 in 6 years but not deserving of the dynasty tag imo.

 
it's so obviously a dynasty given the current salary cap constraints, it's not even worth arguing over.

rules of the 70s/80s, etc don't apply to today's NHL imo.

 
Foosball God said:
tom22406 said:
Phil Kessel's name will be bandied about as much as anyone's in the next week, in part because any trade the Toronto Maple Leafs make would preferably land them a pick or two in next week’s draft. Not necessarily, but preferably.

Two hockey executives from rival teams said that over the past several weeks the Leafs have a price for Kessel that is way, way too high. So the executives are staying away until it comes down. Can’t blame Toronto for starting high. Why wouldn’t you?

"They’re going to have to eat more of his salary than they think right now," said one of the rival executives.

Kessel’s partial no-trade clause lists eight teams he’s allowed to be dealt to, and my TSN colleague Bob McKenzie reported those to be: Boston Bruins, Chicago Blackhawks, Los Angeles Kings, Minnesota Wild, Montreal Canadiens, New York Rangers, Philadelphia Flyers and Pittsburgh Penguins.

Now, if a team outside that list made a good offer and Kessel was intrigued, that could also trigger a deal.

Also of note, players with partial no-trade clauses have their agents resubmit their lists before July 1 every year. Sometimes the list stays the same, but I believe Kessel’s new list has already been submitted and might have been tweaked slightly in terms of how it’s going look starting July 1.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/38535/rumblings-leafs-listening-on-kessel-working-on-signing-bernier
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I wonder how that works. Can a player have 5 teams one year and 6 the next, or vise versa 5 teams one year and only 4 the next? Or do they have to stick to the same number every year but can just shuffle different teams.
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I'm not exactly sure how that works.

 
Aaron Rudnicki said:
RUSF18 said:
B.D. Gallof ‏@BDGallof 33m

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Per NHL source, CHI currently asking for 1st rd pick, A-level prospect & top 6 forward on entry-level contract for Patrick Sharp #isles
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Yowza. That's a nice ask.
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that seems a bit crazy. doubt anyone is going to meet that price or even come close since they know Chicago is likely pretty desperate to move him.
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Especially since Chicago is desperate to move him for the salary cap relief AND the fact he is reportedly causing a major disruption in the dressing room. I guess they can ask for whatever they want, getting it is another story.
 
I understand people who feel like the description doesn't fit based on how the term used to be defined, but 3 Cups in 6 years, 5 conference finals in 7 years, 16-4 series playoff record over 7 seasons all scream dynasty to me. That's a sustained level of postseason success that is going to be nearly impossible for any other team to match in the current era with 30 teams and a hard salary cap.

If that's not a dynasty, then we'll never see a true NHL dynasty again most likely. So, whatever it is, it's one of the most impressive runs in sports history.

 
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northern exposure said:
Aaron Rudnicki said:
RUSF18 said:
B.D. Gallof ‏@BDGallof 33m

33 minutes ago

Per NHL source, CHI currently asking for 1st rd pick, A-level prospect & top 6 forward on entry-level contract for Patrick Sharp #isles
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Yowza. That's a nice ask.
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that seems a bit crazy. doubt anyone is going to meet that price or even come close since they know Chicago is likely pretty desperate to move him.
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Especially since Chicago is desperate to move him for the salary cap relief AND the fact he is reportedly causing a major disruption in the dressing room. I guess they can ask for whatever they want, getting it is another story.
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He is also pretty clearly on the decline. I think the Hawks would be lucky to get a top 6 guy on an entry level contract--obviously, those guys are very valuable.

 
So, for those that say the Blackhawks aren't a dynasty, the last dynasty then was the Oilers when they won 5 out of 7 Stanley Cups (the last one in 1990)? The best any team has managed since then is back to back championships. IMO two in a row doesn't constitute a dynasty.

 
chet said:
northern exposure said:
Aaron Rudnicki said:
RUSF18 said:
B.D. Gallof ‏@BDGallof 33m

33 minutes ago

Per NHL source, CHI currently asking for 1st rd pick, A-level prospect & top 6 forward on entry-level contract for Patrick Sharp #isles
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Yowza. That's a nice ask.
Click to expand...
that seems a bit crazy. doubt anyone is going to meet that price or even come close since they know Chicago is likely pretty desperate to move him.
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Especially since Chicago is desperate to move him for the salary cap relief AND the fact he is reportedly causing a major disruption in the dressing room. I guess they can ask for whatever they want, getting it is another story.
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He is also pretty clearly on the decline. I think the Hawks would be lucky to get a top 6 guy on an entry level contract--obviously, those guys are very valuable.
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I would be happy with a 1st round pick and a prospect.

 
Know there is little Devils chatter in this thread, but know the Penguins' fans hang out in here, so curious of a read on the new staff in place in NJ John Hynes, Geoff Ward and Alain Nasreddine?

 
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chet said:
Doctor Detroit said:
chet said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
If LA wins the cup next year are they a dynasty too? Can u have two dynasties at once??
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We will cross that bridge when we get there.
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Doubt we ever get there, Kings are a two HOFer team which kind of represent today's salary cap NHL. Blackhawks also not a dynasty, suggesting so is hilarious.
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Many disagree with you. You might want to have a look at this week's SI.
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Great, that means the were a dynasty too, maybe they still are with 24 straight playoff appearances. I do find it curious that I don't remember anyone saying the Wings were a dynasty in the mid 90s to say 2009, but then again there were other monster franchises playing at the same time (NJ, Colorado).Eta: lol @ si being some sort of all knowing sports barometer. I didn't even know they still printed that thing.

 
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Doctor Detroit said:
chet said:
Doctor Detroit said:
chet said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
If LA wins the cup next year are they a dynasty too? Can u have two dynasties at once??
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We will cross that bridge when we get there.
Click to expand...
Doubt we ever get there, Kings are a two HOFer team which kind of represent today's salary cap NHL. Blackhawks also not a dynasty, suggesting so is hilarious.
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Many disagree with you. You might want to have a look at this week's SI.
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Great, that means the were a dynasty too, maybe they still are with 24 straight playoff appearances. I do find it curious that I don't remember anyone saying the Wings were a dynasty in the mid 90s to say 2009, but then again there were other monster franchises playing at the same time (NJ, Colorado).Eta: lol @ si being some sort of all knowing sports barometer. I didn't even know they still printed that thing.
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Well u try ur ### off to be some all knowing sports barometer. Maybe they are hiring and u can go help them out.

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Doctor Detroit said:
chet said:
Doctor Detroit said:
chet said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
If LA wins the cup next year are they a dynasty too? Can u have two dynasties at once??
Click to expand...
We will cross that bridge when we get there.
Click to expand...
Doubt we ever get there, Kings are a two HOFer team which kind of represent today's salary cap NHL. Blackhawks also not a dynasty, suggesting so is hilarious.
Click to expand...
Many disagree with you. You might want to have a look at this week's SI.
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Great, that means the were a dynasty too, maybe they still are with 24 straight playoff appearances. I do find it curious that I don't remember anyone saying the Wings were a dynasty in the mid 90s to say 2009, but then again there were other monster franchises playing at the same time (NJ, Colorado).Eta: lol @ si being some sort of all knowing sports barometer. I didn't even know they still printed that thing.
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Well u try ur ### off to be some all knowing sports barometer. Maybe they are hiring and u can go help them out.
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Nah, lots of people in here know a lot more than I do about hockey. You aren't one of them though, Leino.
 
Blackhawks are one of hockey’s top dynasties – the stats prove it
The Hawks are a modern-day dynasty.

The word “dynasty” in a sports context will always be subjective. What it implies is a continued dominance over a long stretch of time, and really, dominance is sort of relative to the competition. It’s relatively easy to be dominant when there’s only five other teams, but kind of hard when there’s 29 others in a hard-cap league.

Looking at the current competitive balance of the league and what Chicago has done against it in the Kane-Toews era, it’s difficult to call it anything but dominance.

So while some argue whether the Blackhawks qualify at all, the better question is where do they rank among past dynasties? If the Blackhawks don’t stack up, maybe the dynasty talk is in fact premature. What makes a run truly impressive isn’t just Cups-per-year or Cup streaks, it’s about how challenging they were to win. That’s why the biggest factor is the competitive climate of the league during a given season.

It’s immediately clear the effect that expanding the league plays on league-wide parity. The gap between the Cup winners and the rest of the group has never been tighter than it is right now.

Before expanding to 30 teams, an elite team didn’t usually face another one until Round 3 or the final. Sometimes, they didn’t have to face one at all. Now, it’s become more commonplace to have two elite teams face off in the first round. The gap between a team eliminated in Round 1 and the eventual Stanley Cup winner has shrunk from almost 15 win percentage points in 1979 to just less than five percent now.

For the Blackhawks, that meant facing a team that’s close to their equal four times on the way to the Cup while a team from the Original Six era essentially had two cake-walks en route to a championship.

So just how hard is it to win the Stanley Cup right now? The odds for the average elite team is about 10-1 and even if a team can keep that up every year, for six years, it’s more likely that they don’t win the Cup.

Really, those old-timers had it easy. It’s about four-to-five times harder to win the Cup now then it was when the league had only six teams and about two-to-three times harder than it was in the ’70s and ’80s.

In context, what the Blackhawks have done is really much more impressive than it’s being given credit for. Not only do they deserve recognition as a dynasty, they’re amongst the league’s greatest.

Based on how difficult it is to win a championship during specific seasons, the results should come as no surprise. The Hawks run is obviously not on par with the Oilers and Islanders teams of the ’80s so that passes the smell-test. Ditto for the Montreal Canadiens team that won 10 of 15 Cups during the ’60s and ’70s.

But it should be held in higher regard than the three dynasties during the Original Six era, which just aren’t that impressive considering the landscape of the league. Same thing goes for the similar 3-in-6 feat that the Red Wings pulled off just before the lockout.

What this Hawks core has done over the past six seasons is just remarkable given the context of how it was accomplished. In an era where it’s hard for Stanley Cup champions to even make the playoffs the next season (looking at you, Los Angeles), the Blackhawks have been a force that’s feared across the league and the best this league has to offer.

They’re a team other teams try to conquer or embody. They’re a team that never quits and always comes up big when it counts. But perhaps most importantly, they’re a true dynasty in a time where dynasties are nearly extinct, and they’re on one of the greatest championship runs in hockey history.
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Billy Bats said:
RUSF18 said:
HughHoney said:
RUSF18 said:
B.D. Gallof ‏@BDGallof 33m

33 minutes ago

Per NHL source, CHI currently asking for 1st rd pick, A-level prospect & top 6 forward on entry-level contract for Patrick Sharp #isles
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Yowza. That's a nice ask.
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How many players in the league could command that in a trade?
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I'm at 9...Stamkos

Toews

Tavares

Crosby

Ovechkin

C. Talbot

McDavid

P. Kane

Eichel
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Malkin, Giroux
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Kane, Doughty a year ago

 
chet said:
Billy Bats said:
RUSF18 said:
HughHoney said:
RUSF18 said:
B.D. Gallof ‏@BDGallof 33m

33 minutes ago

Per NHL source, CHI currently asking for 1st rd pick, A-level prospect & top 6 forward on entry-level contract for Patrick Sharp #isles
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Yowza. That's a nice ask.
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How many players in the league could command that in a trade?
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I'm at 9...Stamkos

Toews

Tavares

Crosby

Ovechkin

C. Talbot

McDavid

P. Kane

Eichel
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Malkin, Giroux
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Kane, Doughty a year ago
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Ryan Kesler

 
30 Thoughts

5. As for the goalie market, there may be an unexpected wrinkle. Minnesota GM Chuck Fletcher told The Star-Tribune’s Michael Russo that he will meet with Devan Dubnyk Tuesday and agent Mike Liut Wednesday. The free-agency courting period begins Thursday. Dubnyk and the Wild are a perfect fit, but, if it doesn’t get done before other teams can talk to him, all it takes is one to send things sideways. How interested is San Jose, for example? And, if the Wild need to look elsewhere, that means extra competition for those teams seeking to fill the position.

7. As for Cam Talbot, the toughest thing preventing the Rangers from getting the best possible price for him is that he’s on a one-year contract with free agency beckoning. Under CBA rules, he cannot be extended until Jan. 1, 2016. If teams knew they could do it in July, you could get permission to talk to him and have an idea of what you’re looking at. That’s not possible. He’s still good value. But this gives the acquiring team less control.

16. Another Hurricane rumour is the club would consider packaging Alexander Semin with the fifth overall pick to get his contract off the books. History suggests that is very unlikely. Last year, Calgary said it would acquire Cam Ward as long as the seventh selection was included with it. GM Ron Francis declined. As much as the organization would love to move Semin, this draft pick is way too important to give away in a salary dump. It’s got to be a significant, legit hockey trade if at all.

19. College UFA Mike Reilly shortened his list, although the exact teams are uncertain. Most think it’s Chicago, Los Angeles and Minnesota. A couple clubs wondered about Pittsburgh. Reilly does train with Andy O’Brien, and the defenceman talked with another of O’Brien’s clients, Sidney Crosby, when the two crossed paths in California. The Kings may not offer as clear a path to the NHL as the others. One source said Reilly’s history with Edmonton CEO Bob Nicholson (and the defensive issues there) kept them in it longer than expected, but the odds were not in their favour.

22. Lightning GM Steve Yzerman called re-signing Steven Stamkos his No. 1 priority. He’s got one year left before unrestricted free agency. For all the debate about his future, go back and watch his media scrum after Tampa lost Game 6 of the Final. He’s crushed and calls the last two months a waste because they didn’t win. Stamkos is friendly and calm, but he is fiercely competitive. He’ll be 26 in February. Wherever his career takes him, can it really be someplace he’s unlikely to win while still in his prime?

23. Could Stamkos and Victor Hedman have the highest cap hit of any two teammates in 2017?

26. Was fascinating to watch Joel Quenneville manipulate Patrick Kane through the lineup in the second period of Game 6. From 8:48 to 17:13, Kane had seven shifts. They lasted 0:16, 0:29, 0:44, 0:38, 0:09, 0:39 and 0:29. The nine-second shift ended because Hedman came on the ice, and Quenneville pulled Kane. That separated the two. The last of those shifts ended with Duncan Keith’s Cup-winning goal. Kane snared an assist.
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