Snotbubbles
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Vegas has a Philly line for game 1. Halladay at -170.
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***NLCS Philadelphia Phillies vs San Francisco Giants*** (1 Viewer)
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Regular Crust Pizza
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Seems a little steep to me.
Hammered Finz
Footballguy
Howard, and it isn't close.. Howard missed alot of time this year, and still had 30+ HRs and 100+ RBIs, not to mention the playoff experience and the fear he brings to pitchers- Oh, and that MVP award looks good on his resume as well...26/86/.290/.385/.506/5.4 UZR31/108/.276/.353/.505/-12.6 UZRWhich one of those lines would you rather have?While analyzing this matchup for MLB network, Kevin Millar was going position by position and is on record as saying he has Aubrey Huff over Ryan Howard at first base, advantage SF.
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Doctor Detroit
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It's a lot closer than you think.Your best defense is ponting to the scoreboard though, Howard is a proven playoff player with pretty good career numbers.Howard, and it isn't close.. Howard missed alot of time this year, and still had 30+ HRs and 100+ RBIs, not to mention the playoff experience and the fear he brings to pitchers- Oh, and that MVP award looks good on his resume as well...26/86/.290/.385/.506/5.4 UZR31/108/.276/.353/.505/-12.6 UZRWhich one of those lines would you rather have?While analyzing this matchup for MLB network, Kevin Millar was going position by position and is on record as saying he has Aubrey Huff over Ryan Howard at first base, advantage SF.
Lehigh98
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Game on, got 2 in the front row of 147.
Look for me in Left Center in Game 2.I'll prob be accidentally interfering with a key HR that screws the Phils.
commisholio
Come out with your pants down!
Huff was a better offensive player this year - those 30 points of OBP are very significant. Huff doesn't have nearly the platoon split that Howard has either.Howard, and it isn't close.. Howard missed alot of time this year, and still had 30+ HRs and 100+ RBIs, not to mention the playoff experience and the fear he brings to pitchers- Oh, and that MVP award looks good on his resume as well...26/86/.290/.385/.506/5.4 UZR31/108/.276/.353/.505/-12.6 UZRWhich one of those lines would you rather have?While analyzing this matchup for MLB network, Kevin Millar was going position by position and is on record as saying he has Aubrey Huff over Ryan Howard at first base, advantage SF.
Billy Bats
Footballguy
Huff was a better offensive player this year - those 30 points of OBP are very significant. Huff doesn't have nearly the platoon split that Howard has either.Howard, and it isn't close.. Howard missed alot of time this year, and still had 30+ HRs and 100+ RBIs, not to mention the playoff experience and the fear he brings to pitchers- Oh, and that MVP award looks good on his resume as well...26/86/.290/.385/.506/5.4 UZR31/108/.276/.353/.505/-12.6 UZRWhich one of those lines would you rather have?While analyzing this matchup for MLB network, Kevin Millar was going position by position and is on record as saying he has Aubrey Huff over Ryan Howard at first base, advantage SF.
Please stop with this nonsense.Howard missed 22 games with injury and probably another ten getting his timing back.Add in that he probably loses 15-20 hits a year because every team in the league uses two right fielders against him. All the guy is, is the one of the most feared sluggers in the game. He has an effect on the Phils entire lineup and especially the opposing pitcher. And like Hammered said, he's a proven playoff performer. He's thrown this team on his back for a number of September's, and I hear Aubrey Huffs name in the same sentence and people might rather have him. Ok you take Huff and watch as I win championships with Ryan Howard.Where's the moneyball stat for clutch?
Regular Crust Pizza
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I think Howard is the better player, but when considering who I'd rather have for this round it's closer IMO. It's close for me when you consider the difference in defense and that Huff stuck out 66 times less than Howard (91 to 157) in about 60 more PAs (668 to 620) and Howard will be facing a pitching staff that lead the league in k/9. You saw what this staff could do in NLDS. Howard might connect once or twice or three times, but he might also strike out 3 or 4 or 10 times.Huff was a better offensive player this year - those 30 points of OBP are very significant. Huff doesn't have nearly the platoon split that Howard has either.Howard, and it isn't close.. Howard missed alot of time this year, and still had 30+ HRs and 100+ RBIs, not to mention the playoff experience and the fear he brings to pitchers- Oh, and that MVP award looks good on his resume as well...26/86/.290/.385/.506/5.4 UZR31/108/.276/.353/.505/-12.6 UZRWhich one of those lines would you rather have?While analyzing this matchup for MLB network, Kevin Millar was going position by position and is on record as saying he has Aubrey Huff over Ryan Howard at first base, advantage SF.Please stop with this nonsense.Howard missed 22 games with injury and probably another ten getting his timing back.Add in that he probably loses 15-20 hits a year because every team in the league uses two right fielders against him. All the guy is, is the one of the most feared sluggers in the game. He has an effect on the Phils entire lineup and especially the opposing pitcher. And like Hammered said, he's a proven playoff performer. He's thrown this team on his back for a number of September's, and I hear Aubrey Huffs name in the same sentence and people might rather have him. Ok you take Huff and watch as I win championships with Ryan Howard.Where's the moneyball stat for clutch?
Nothing you posted refutes his point: "Huff was a better offensive player this year." Nobody has made the argument that they wouldn't trade Huff for Howard.Huff was a better offensive player this year - those 30 points of OBP are very significant. Huff doesn't have nearly the platoon split that Howard has either.Howard, and it isn't close.. Howard missed alot of time this year, and still had 30+ HRs and 100+ RBIs, not to mention the playoff experience and the fear he brings to pitchers- Oh, and that MVP award looks good on his resume as well...26/86/.290/.385/.506/5.4 UZR31/108/.276/.353/.505/-12.6 UZRWhile analyzing this matchup for MLB network, Kevin Millar was going position by position and is on record as saying he has Aubrey Huff over Ryan Howard at first base, advantage SF.
Which one of those lines would you rather have?
Howard missed 22 games with injury and probably another ten getting his timing back.
Add in that he probably loses 15-20 hits a year because every team in the league uses two right fielders against him.
All the guy is, is the one of the most feared sluggers in the game. He has an effect on the Phils entire lineup and especially the opposing pitcher. And like Hammered said, he's a proven playoff performer. He's thrown this team on his back for a number of September's, and I hear Aubrey Huffs name in the same sentence and people might rather have him. Ok you take Huff and watch as I win championships with Ryan Howard.
Where's the moneyball stat for clutch?
Eephus
Footballguy
I like Howard; comparing him to Huff is just silly. But Howard will be 31 in a month and has six more years and $135M left to run on his contract.
He didn't hit well enough this year to earn his $19M. Four years from now, his salary jumps to $25M. Let me know how it's working out for you then.
He didn't hit well enough this year to earn his $19M. Four years from now, his salary jumps to $25M. Let me know how it's working out for you then.
Please See Mine
Footballguy
The original point was that Millar would rather have Huff than Howard in this series. I don't really care what the total stats are for this regular season. Howard has been a proven performer in the playoffs. Howard's impact on the lineup is greater and this is where stats sometimes fool us. The Dodgers always seem to have a nice lineup with some good stats but without Manny anchoring it, they just don't get it done. Howard's presence in and effect on the lineup around him is far greater than Huff's.
Please See Mine
Footballguy
What does this have to do with Millar's point?
Billy Bats
Footballguy
Oh, no? Missing 22 games doesn't affect Howard's season stats? The severe infield shift on him doesn't affect it either? But like PSM noted, my reply had more to do with Millar's ridiculous statement that he would rather have Huff and SF has the advantage at first base.Nothing you posted refutes his point: "Huff was a better offensive player this year." Nobody has made the argument that they wouldn't trade Huff for Howard.Please stop with this nonsense.
Howard missed 22 games with injury and probably another ten getting his timing back.
Add in that he probably loses 15-20 hits a year because every team in the league uses two right fielders against him.
All the guy is, is the one of the most feared sluggers in the game. He has an effect on the Phils entire lineup and especially the opposing pitcher. And like Hammered said, he's a proven playoff performer. He's thrown this team on his back for a number of September's, and I hear Aubrey Huffs name in the same sentence and people might rather have him. Ok you take Huff and watch as I win championships with Ryan Howard.
Where's the moneyball stat for clutch?
Eephus
Footballguy
Nothing other than his contract is going to be an albatross in a few years. Unless salary inflation really takes off he'll be in the Soriano/Zito/Wells bad category. The contract extension was a dumb move and Howard hasn't played as well since it was signed.
Michael Brown
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While I would certainly take Howard over Huff, two counterarguments have made zero sense.
1. Howard missing games this year has no bearing on the thirty point differential in OPS. It's not a counting stat.
2. The fact that teams employ a shift on Howard and he can't adjust is not a positive point in his favor. Saying Howard loses 15-20 hits per year because of a shift is the same as saying Pujols loses 100 HR per year because the pitchers throw too many curveballs.
1. Howard missing games this year has no bearing on the thirty point differential in OPS. It's not a counting stat.
2. The fact that teams employ a shift on Howard and he can't adjust is not a positive point in his favor. Saying Howard loses 15-20 hits per year because of a shift is the same as saying Pujols loses 100 HR per year because the pitchers throw too many curveballs.
No, it doesn't. Huff, at least arguably, had a better offensive season this year. Whether that's because Howard was playing through pain all year is irrelevant. (It may be relevant to "who is a better player at this particular moment", but that's not the "nonsense" commisholio posted.)And what does the infield shift have to do with anything? If you can make a hitter less effective by playing a certain type of defense, that's the hitter's fault. It's not some external condition that has been unjustly imposed on Howard.
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badmojo1006
Footballguy
Cody Ross!
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Devil's Advocate
So impressed with San Francisco's moxie. I honestly thought they'd get shut out tonight.
Regular Crust Pizza
Footballguy
Did not think they were going to get four off Halladay.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
If any of you Philly guys get in your truck, drive to the field, then run over Tim McCarver after the game, I have a crisp C-note for ya.
Doctor Detroit
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badmojo1006
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WOOHOO!!!!
commisholio
Come out with your pants down!
commisholio
Come out with your pants down!
Clearly, the answer was neither Ryan Howard nor Aubrey Huff, but rather Cody m'fn Ross.
crewmember
Footballguy
Wish Hamels was going game 2 and 2 games in the series.
crewmember
Footballguy
Pretty bad play by Raul jumping for a ball at his waist. Difference in the game.
Eephus
Footballguy
Ironic that it came off the bat of BurrellPretty bad play by Raul jumping for a ball at his waist. Difference in the game.
Hammered Finz
Footballguy
which never should have happened, because Burrell was struck out on the pitch before, confirmed by the pitch track.. oh well.. gotta go get them tonight!Ironic that it came off the bat of BurrellPretty bad play by Raul jumping for a ball at his waist. Difference in the game.
Doctor Detroit
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That's baseball, balls and strikes are the hardest thing to judge in all of sports. Every game, in every season since 1901 it's been this way. HTH.which never should have happened, because Burrell was struck out on the pitch before, confirmed by the pitch track.. oh well.. gotta go get them tonight!Ironic that it came off the bat of BurrellPretty bad play by Raul jumping for a ball at his waist. Difference in the game.
Eephus
Footballguy
It wasn't a great strike zone last night. I think if you asked the managers and pitchers off the record, they'd agree to a man. But that's hardball.
Hammered Finz
Footballguy
yes- that is why I said "oh well".. it is part of the game..game of inches...That's baseball, balls and strikes are the hardest thing to judge in all of sports. Every game, in every season since 1901 it's been this way. HTH.which never should have happened, because Burrell was struck out on the pitch before, confirmed by the pitch track.. oh well.. gotta go get them tonight!Ironic that it came off the bat of BurrellPretty bad play by Raul jumping for a ball at his waist. Difference in the game.
Detroit Fan 365
Footballguy
Dr. D was right I really don't think the Phillies are going to win this game and may not win a game this series. Yankees maybe destined to repeat if they can get by the Rangers.
heckmanm
Footballguy
At least, don't throw him an inside, belt-high fastball.
Please See Mine
Footballguy
Eephus
Footballguy
After having him clog up my fantasy SS and DL slots during the season, now's the time he decides to come up with a big hit.
Detroit Fan 365
Footballguy
Had to put a little fire under them, I've backed them a lot and have a lot of money riding on them not only in this game, but in the series, a future bet of them winning the NL which I made back in July and them winning the World Series which I made when the playoffs started. I was a little nervous/anxious and still am about this series.
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