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No minority HC/GM hires this offseason (1 Viewer)

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Eight teams hired new coaches and six more filled general manager positions with one opening remaining. None of those jobs went to a minority. Now the league is considering revisions to the "Rooney Rule," which mandates that teams must interview at least one minority candidate for front-office and head coaching jobs. "While there has been full compliance with the interview requirements of the Rooney Rule and we wish the new head coaches and general managers much success, the hiring results this year have been unexpected and reflect a disappointing lack of diversity," Robert Gulliver, the NFL's executive vice president of human resources, said in a statement. "The Rooney Rule has been a valuable tool in expanding diversity and inclusion in hiring practices, but there is more work to do, especially around increasing and strengthening the pipeline of diverse candidates for head coach and senior football executive positions. "We have already started the process of developing a plan for additional steps that will better ensure more diversity and inclusion on a regular basis in our hiring results. We look forward to discussing these steps with our advisers to ensure that our employment, development and equal opportunity programs are both robust and successful." There were a total of 203 minority coaches in the NFL in 2012, including six head coaches. With Smith and Romeo Crennel out, only four minorities will start the 2013 season as head coaches. That's the fewest since 2003.Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20130118/nfl-rooney-rule-revisions/#ixzz2IMzYLIQI
Personally I'm not concerned with the current lack of minority hires this offseason, but it sounds like this is going to return to the spotlight going forward. What bothers me the most about this whole subject is the "outrage" by some reporters. There is a good amount of turnover year to year, just because there were no minority hires this year, doesn't mean the system is broken.
 
Honestly, the three or four black candidates interviewed did not have great resumes. The most interesting was Horton, who did a great job with the Cardinals.

 
Lovie Smith took Chicago to the Super Bowl in '06 and had very similar regular season and playoff success as Andy Reid during Smith's 9-year tenure in Chicago. And the last 3 years strongly favor Smith (7 more regular season wins and 1 playoff win to Andy's 0).Reid was the first coach hired and Lovie's on the street in 2013.

 
Lovie Smith took Chicago to the Super Bowl in '06 and had very similar regular season and playoff success as Andy Reid during Smith's 9-year tenure in Chicago. And the last 3 years strongly favor Smith (7 more regular season wins and 1 playoff win to Andy's 0).Reid was the first coach hired and Lovie's on the street in 2013.
So?
 
Plus two black head coaches were fired. I think there might be something to this outrage.
Is this the only thing that matters. How about Asian, Mexican, Native American,etc, etc. If Norm Chow was the only minority interviewed for each job would this be a big issue on the news as it was today?
 
Lovie Smith took Chicago to the Super Bowl in '06 and had very similar regular season and playoff success as Andy Reid during Smith's 9-year tenure in Chicago. And the last 3 years strongly favor Smith (7 more regular season wins and 1 playoff win to Andy's 0).Reid was the first coach hired and Lovie's on the street in 2013.
Fair points, but i did not think andy reid was really a good hire
 
not going to say racism doesn't still exist, but its 2013 and the NFL is big business now; best man gets the job. Offense is the flavor right now, no one wants a defensive minded HC which is why I think Lovie wasn't hired.

 
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Plus two black head coaches were fired. I think there might be something to this outrage.
Is this the only thing that matters. How about Asian, Mexican, Native American,etc, etc. If Norm Chow was the only minority interviewed for each job would this be a big issue on the news as it was today?
I thought it was gnerally understood that in the NFL coaching context minority equals black or African american.
 
Lovie Smith took Chicago to the Super Bowl in '06 and had very similar regular season and playoff success as Andy Reid during Smith's 9-year tenure in Chicago. And the last 3 years strongly favor Smith (7 more regular season wins and 1 playoff win to Andy's 0).Reid was the first coach hired and Lovie's on the street in 2013.
Fair points, but i did not think andy reid was really a good hire
We haven't achieved equality when a great black coach advances as far as a great white coach. We've achieved equality when a black chump hangs around as long as a white chump.
 
Marc Trestman is the first Jewish head coach in the history of the NFL. Ever. The Bears advanced diversity in the NFL this year. The Bears replaced Marinelli with a minority hire.These are both net gains from a diversity standpoint.

 
Lovie Smith took Chicago to the Super Bowl in '06 and had very similar regular season and playoff success as Andy Reid during Smith's 9-year tenure in Chicago. And the last 3 years strongly favor Smith (7 more regular season wins and 1 playoff win to Andy's 0).Reid was the first coach hired and Lovie's on the street in 2013.
Fair points, but i did not think andy reid was really a good hire
I was surprised by the lack of interest in Smith. I thought he should have garnered more.
 
Lovie Smith took Chicago to the Super Bowl in '06 and had very similar regular season and playoff success as Andy Reid during Smith's 9-year tenure in Chicago. And the last 3 years strongly favor Smith (7 more regular season wins and 1 playoff win to Andy's 0).Reid was the first coach hired and Lovie's on the street in 2013.
Fair points, but i did not think andy reid was really a good hire
I was surprised by the lack of interest in Smith. I thought he should have garnered more.
Iirc, wasn't there talk of Lovie burning a lot of bridges through the years?
 
not going to say racism doesn't still exist, but its 2013 and the NFL is big business now; best man gets the job. Offense is the flavor right now, no one wants a defensive minded HC which is why I think Lovie wasn't hired.
Which is a convenient excuse since there's little to no black OCs. Why is that?When commenting about defenses it's always about aggression, athletic ability and toughness.When commenting about offenses it's always intelligence, genius, game-planning.The league views the former as being okay for a black man to handle but not the latter.
 
I know I will take a lot of flak for this but I think the Rooney rule is dumb to begin with. Every team hires what they deem to be the best hire at that time. These hires have nothing to do about someones race.

 
I know I will take a lot of flak for this but I think the Rooney rule is dumb to begin with. Every team hires what they deem to be the best hire at that time. These hires have nothing to do about someones race.
Rooney rule is ridiculous
 
In this day and age I find this rule offensive. The best person should get the job regardless of race. You interview people...not a race.

 
Eff Asians and Mexicans... when the hell is a Samoan going to get a HC job?
That's a totally reasonable question; they have a pretty big presence in the NFL. And a lot of them, at least the ones who've come through Cal, have better academic training and performance in college than the inner-city kids. There should be some good candidates coming from that demographic.
 
Good. Bad coaches got fired. Best candidates got hired. Race does not matter. Want more meaningful positions? Do your job better than your competition.

 
I know I will take a lot of flak for this but I think the Rooney rule is dumb to begin with. Every team hires what they deem to be the best hire at that time. These hires have nothing to do about someones race.
Rooney rule is ridiculous
Affirmative action at its finest. Even if there were qualified black candidates for the job, they'd all be viewed as token interviews because of their skin color thanks to that rule.
 
Lovie Smith took Chicago to the Super Bowl in '06 and had very similar regular season and playoff success as Andy Reid during Smith's 9-year tenure in Chicago. And the last 3 years strongly favor Smith (7 more regular season wins and 1 playoff win to Andy's 0).Reid was the first coach hired and Lovie's on the street in 2013.
Check what other positions Andy has and he basically brought a GM with him. Lovie does t have any if that.
 
What do they want to do? FORCE teams to hire a black coach? This is going ####### overboard, I am tired of this race ####. Ike Reese ( former Eagle & Falcon ) talked about this today on the radio. Even he doesn't understand it. Said no black coaches were hired because maybe none of them were good enough for the jobs. Why don't the NFL or whoever is behind this crap go force Lovie Smith to take a job if they want a black hiring so badly. When is it going to stop? Do they have a set number on the amount of black coaches they want in the NFL? Are they going to come out one day and be like, ok we hit our goal of black coaches now. If I was a coach of some sort in the NFL and black, this would honestly offend the hell out of me ( the whole Rooney Rule ). Just overall tired of the race thing. From the media encouraging and creating issues where their are none ( which is the biggest issue for race issues in the US imho ) to white guilt created issues to ignored race issues ( black on other color crime never seen as race issues ) to legit racists ( which anymore seems to be shrinking ). Its just ####### tiresome

 
Lovie Smith took Chicago to the Super Bowl in '06 and had very similar regular season and playoff success as Andy Reid during Smith's 9-year tenure in Chicago. And the last 3 years strongly favor Smith (7 more regular season wins and 1 playoff win to Andy's 0).Reid was the first coach hired and Lovie's on the street in 2013.
Check what other positions Andy has and he basically brought a GM with him. Lovie does t have any if that.
Not trying to suggest KC should have hired LS instead, just the difference in interest. What's Reid's recent track record as a talent evaluator? How many of the other hires were brought in due to their GM credentials? Or have the success of Smith? He's a guy who's had a fair amount of NFL success as the HC, yet wasn't really a serious candidate was he? The talk surrounding Smith was more as a DC replacement.
 
What do they want to do? FORCE teams to hire a black coach?

This is going ####### overboard, I am tired of this race ####. Ike Reese ( former Eagle & Falcon ) talked about this today on the radio. Even he doesn't understand it. Said no black coaches were hired because maybe none of them were good enough for the jobs. Why don't the NFL or whoever is behind this crap go force Lovie Smith to take a job if they want a black hiring so badly. When is it going to stop? Do they have a set number on the amount of black coaches they want in the NFL? Are they going to come out one day and be like, ok we hit our goal of black coaches now.



If I was a coach of some sort in the NFL and black, this would honestly offend the hell out of me ( the whole Rooney Rule ). Just overall tired of the race thing. From the media encouraging and creating issues where their are none ( which is the biggest issue for race issues in the US imho ) to white guilt created issues to ignored race issues ( black on other color crime never seen as race issues ) to legit racists ( which anymore seems to be shrinking ).

Its just ####### tiresome
Big fan of white guys saying what they'd do and how they'd react if they were black. :thumbup:
 
Lovie Smith took Chicago to the Super Bowl in '06 and had very similar regular season and playoff success as Andy Reid during Smith's 9-year tenure in Chicago. And the last 3 years strongly favor Smith (7 more regular season wins and 1 playoff win to Andy's 0).Reid was the first coach hired and Lovie's on the street in 2013.
Reid has had more overall success in his career then Lovie. He has also held more positions within an organization then Lovie ( front office jobs ) which imho is a huge advantage. Plus...Lovie is taking the year off while collecting the rest of the contract that I think would be voided if he took a job elsewhere. What is the NFL going to say, no Lovie you have to take a job because you are black & forgo that $5 mil or whatever is left on your contract lol. IMHO he did the smart thing. He will be one of the most desirable coaches on the market next season thats for sure.
 
What do they want to do? FORCE teams to hire a black coach?

This is going ####### overboard, I am tired of this race ####. Ike Reese ( former Eagle & Falcon ) talked about this today on the radio. Even he doesn't understand it. Said no black coaches were hired because maybe none of them were good enough for the jobs. Why don't the NFL or whoever is behind this crap go force Lovie Smith to take a job if they want a black hiring so badly. When is it going to stop? Do they have a set number on the amount of black coaches they want in the NFL? Are they going to come out one day and be like, ok we hit our goal of black coaches now.



If I was a coach of some sort in the NFL and black, this would honestly offend the hell out of me ( the whole Rooney Rule ). Just overall tired of the race thing. From the media encouraging and creating issues where their are none ( which is the biggest issue for race issues in the US imho ) to white guilt created issues to ignored race issues ( black on other color crime never seen as race issues ) to legit racists ( which anymore seems to be shrinking ).

Its just ####### tiresome
Big fan of white guys saying what they'd do and how they'd react if they were black. :thumbup:
Well sorry if I knew I was only getting an interview because of my color, it would piss me the #### off. That is my opinion. I would like to think I got an interview because of my resume, not because it was a rule.
 
Lovie Smith took Chicago to the Super Bowl in '06 and had very similar regular season and playoff success as Andy Reid during Smith's 9-year tenure in Chicago. And the last 3 years strongly favor Smith (7 more regular season wins and 1 playoff win to Andy's 0).Reid was the first coach hired and Lovie's on the street in 2013.
Reid has had more overall success in his career then Lovie. He has also held more positions within an organization then Lovie ( front office jobs ) which imho is a huge advantage. Plus...Lovie is taking the year off while collecting the rest of the contract that I think would be voided if he took a job elsewhere. What is the NFL going to say, no Lovie you have to take a job because you are black & forgo that $5 mil or whatever is left on your contract lol. IMHO he did the smart thing. He will be one of the most desirable coaches on the market next season thats for sure.
Everything you say is true and I agree with you. But you missed my point. Anyway, I'm not really all that passionate about the issue. Just find it amusing that Andy garnered as much attention as he did with such a poor recent track record and Smith was somewhat comparable in his recent success but was not considered a serious HC candidate.Guess I'm the only one that made that comparison. That's cool.
 
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What do they want to do? FORCE teams to hire a black coach?

This is going ####### overboard, I am tired of this race ####. Ike Reese ( former Eagle & Falcon ) talked about this today on the radio. Even he doesn't understand it. Said no black coaches were hired because maybe none of them were good enough for the jobs. Why don't the NFL or whoever is behind this crap go force Lovie Smith to take a job if they want a black hiring so badly. When is it going to stop? Do they have a set number on the amount of black coaches they want in the NFL? Are they going to come out one day and be like, ok we hit our goal of black coaches now.



If I was a coach of some sort in the NFL and black, this would honestly offend the hell out of me ( the whole Rooney Rule ). Just overall tired of the race thing. From the media encouraging and creating issues where their are none ( which is the biggest issue for race issues in the US imho ) to white guilt created issues to ignored race issues ( black on other color crime never seen as race issues ) to legit racists ( which anymore seems to be shrinking ).

Its just ####### tiresome
Big fan of white guys saying what they'd do and how they'd react if they were black. :thumbup:
No.
 
Who cares?The NFL is a joke. Making a big deal out of this is worse and more embarrassing than the fact that no black HC were hired this year.Hire the best coach. Black, White, Asian, Native, Samoan, Alien, whatever.

 
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Lovie Smith took Chicago to the Super Bowl in '06 and had very similar regular season and playoff success as Andy Reid during Smith's 9-year tenure in Chicago. And the last 3 years strongly favor Smith (7 more regular season wins and 1 playoff win to Andy's 0).Reid was the first coach hired and Lovie's on the street in 2013.
Reid has had more overall success in his career then Lovie. He has also held more positions within an organization then Lovie ( front office jobs ) which imho is a huge advantage. Plus...Lovie is taking the year off while collecting the rest of the contract that I think would be voided if he took a job elsewhere. What is the NFL going to say, no Lovie you have to take a job because you are black & forgo that $5 mil or whatever is left on your contract lol. IMHO he did the smart thing. He will be one of the most desirable coaches on the market next season thats for sure.
Everything you say is true and I agree with you. But you missed my point. Anyway, I'm not really all that passionate about the issue. Just find it amusing that Andy garnered as much attention as he did with such a poor recent track record and Smith was somewhat comparable in his recent success but was not considered a serious HC candidate.Guess I'm the only one that made that comparison. That's cool.
I don't know about Andy but Lovie is a horrible head coach. He got to his 10-6 record this year on a very weak schedule of wins. He also has a track record of doing squat in Chicago. 5 out of 9 years with a winning team3 playoff wins in 9 years3 playoff births in 9 years3 divison champs1 Super Bowl1 playoff in the last 6 yearsReid9 out of 14 years in playoffs/ winning record7 divison champsUnder .500 1 time in last 7 yearsPlayoffs 3 of last 5 yearsJust not seeing it here, as a packers fan wish Lovie was forever in Chicago. People from the region just look at his record and just don't understand why people dislike Lovie.
 
When is the NFL going to tackle the really problem? There are not enough white starting RBs in the NFL. This is a huge injustice and teams should be forced to try-out a white RB every season. It shouldn't matter which player is more talented, teams should just be striving for a more racially balanced team.Or not.

 
What do they want to do? FORCE teams to hire a black coach?

This is going ####### overboard, I am tired of this race ####. Ike Reese ( former Eagle & Falcon ) talked about this today on the radio. Even he doesn't understand it. Said no black coaches were hired because maybe none of them were good enough for the jobs. Why don't the NFL or whoever is behind this crap go force Lovie Smith to take a job if they want a black hiring so badly. When is it going to stop? Do they have a set number on the amount of black coaches they want in the NFL? Are they going to come out one day and be like, ok we hit our goal of black coaches now.



If I was a coach of some sort in the NFL and black, this would honestly offend the hell out of me ( the whole Rooney Rule ). Just overall tired of the race thing. From the media encouraging and creating issues where their are none ( which is the biggest issue for race issues in the US imho ) to white guilt created issues to ignored race issues ( black on other color crime never seen as race issues ) to legit racists ( which anymore seems to be shrinking ).

Its just ####### tiresome
Big fan of white guys saying what they'd do and how they'd react if they were black. :thumbup:
Well sorry if I knew I was only getting an interview because of my color, it would piss me the #### off. That is my opinion. I would like to think I got an interview because of my resume, not because it was a rule.
What if you felt like you'd been passed over for a position you were qualified for because you were black?
 
not going to say racism doesn't still exist, but its 2013 and the NFL is big business now; best man gets the job. Offense is the flavor right now, no one wants a defensive minded HC which is why I think Lovie wasn't hired.
Which is a convenient excuse since there's little to no black OCs. Why is that?When commenting about defenses it's always about aggression, athletic ability and toughness.When commenting about offenses it's always intelligence, genius, game-planning.The league views the former as being okay for a black man to handle but not the latter.
I looked it up and was a little surprised that there is only one black OC in the league right now …Jim Caldwell
 
So isnt it just as wrong to force someone to hire a black coach? I thought the point was not to discriminate against anyone, but it seems ok to not hire someone because they are white.I take offense to that. Stupid rule, want to stop racism, stop bringing it up.

 
When is the NFL going to tackle the really problem? There are not enough white starting RBs in the NFL. This is a huge injustice and teams should be forced to try-out a white RB every season. It shouldn't matter which player is more talented, teams should just be striving for a more racially balanced team.Or not.
What about the fact that there are not enough White CBs either, I think it is wrong there are not more. Can we get a rule that helps set this country back even further please?
 
When is the NFL going to tackle the really problem? There are not enough white starting RBs in the NFL. This is a huge injustice and teams should be forced to try-out a white RB every season. It shouldn't matter which player is more talented, teams should just be striving for a more racially balanced team.Or not.
What about the fact that there are not enough White CBs either, I think it is wrong there are not more. Can we get a rule that helps set this country back even further please?
Haha That's the position I was thinking too. Is there one white CB in the NFL? I can't think of one.
 
When is the NFL going to tackle the really problem? There are not enough white starting RBs in the NFL. This is a huge injustice and teams should be forced to try-out a white RB every season. It shouldn't matter which player is more talented, teams should just be striving for a more racially balanced team.Or not.
What about the fact that there are not enough White CBs either, I think it is wrong there are not more. Can we get a rule that helps set this country back even further please?
Haha That's the position I was thinking too. Is there one white CB in the NFL? I can't think of one.
Cortland Finnegan sounds Irish. :shrug:
 

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