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No More Top 250+ going forward on Tuesday? (1 Viewer)
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QuizGuy66
Footballguy
That's not a bug. Again, I'm not the commish of the league and frankly I think I profit from having it earlier against that particular set of opponents. -QGThats another bug. The free agency period should not be closed on Thursday other than as it directly relates to the two teams playing on Thursday.Well mileage varies a bit - the one thing that Tuesday waivers does allow is the potentialing of players away from those who might be slow on the trigger
I also think some of it stems to the situation later in the year when the Thursday night games crop up and the commish wanting to give the regular free agent process a little more room.-QG
redskins08
Footballguy
But they are Tuesday's Rankings. Of course Tuesday's guess of an event on Sunday won't be as good as Saturday's guess. But what we want, and find valuable, is a ranking given everything we know as of Tuesday to use for decisions and action and thoughts that occur on Tuesday. We understand that Wednesday will bring new information and in light of that a new post. But on Tuesday we want a ranking, given what is known as of Tuesday. Clearly (from this thread), doing so is valuable to your subscribers.
Agreed. That's why we're doing them. We just hope people realize that a ton will almost always change with them.J
Alberta Clipper
Footballguy
Joe I appreciate you taking the time to discuss the Fwd Top 250 on here.
I've been around for many yrs and the T250 has always been one of my favs.
Having T250 customized to your league parameters is interesting although I sometimes question how the formulas work.
i.e. I'm in a couple leagues with 1.5 ppr for TE yet the top TE's are not valued as a R1 type pick value.
It is nice that the values update as projections update throughout the week.
It's a great way to track free agents in my various leagues.
For deeper leagues it would be nice if players were added quicker but a 1 week lag is understandable.
i.e. Alexander last week many were adding him and would have considered him worth a 1 value or even 2 in some cases based on potential.
Keep up the good work and don't get rid of the T250 features on Tue's (and updated as the week goes on/projections tweaked).
Consider how the value formulas's are calculated for leagues with enhanced ppr etc.
(PS - off topic but do you help Dodds manage the FBG Iota Franchise?)
I've been around for many yrs and the T250 has always been one of my favs.
Having T250 customized to your league parameters is interesting although I sometimes question how the formulas work.
i.e. I'm in a couple leagues with 1.5 ppr for TE yet the top TE's are not valued as a R1 type pick value.
It is nice that the values update as projections update throughout the week.
It's a great way to track free agents in my various leagues.
For deeper leagues it would be nice if players were added quicker but a 1 week lag is understandable.
i.e. Alexander last week many were adding him and would have considered him worth a 1 value or even 2 in some cases based on potential.
Keep up the good work and don't get rid of the T250 features on Tue's (and updated as the week goes on/projections tweaked).
Consider how the value formulas's are calculated for leagues with enhanced ppr etc.
(PS - off topic but do you help Dodds manage the FBG Iota Franchise?)
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Giant Wooden Badger
the Beav
JB>Can you look into the font thing? Starting last week everything in the subscriber area appears in a much smaller font. Kills my eyes.
Polish Hammer
made of glass
If I could make a suggestion...
The top 250 is something I've always used as a data point for early-in-the-week trade offers as well as waiver moves. In conjunction with the Upgrade/Downgrade/Waiver list, it has been helpful. At one point I thought I remembered the Upgrade/Downgrade/Waiver also including a list of all the Waiver players ranked in a priority list fashion, which was nice.
If the Top 250 isn't something that is considered super reliable (ie. it appears to have a caveat of being VERY preliminary), why not add more data to the Up/Down/Waiver list? For instance, state what range a player might fall in after the writeup. So if Danny Woodhead is the number 1 RB upgrade, say that he might be ranked around RB30-35 if that is roughly how the writer sees it. Similarly with downgrades, of course.
I can't speak for everyone, but I know this would be helpful to me. (This could also be done with the IDP data...and all of that, in general, could come out sooner as well; I don't understand why that gets pushed back days after the offensive players are published.)
The top 250 is something I've always used as a data point for early-in-the-week trade offers as well as waiver moves. In conjunction with the Upgrade/Downgrade/Waiver list, it has been helpful. At one point I thought I remembered the Upgrade/Downgrade/Waiver also including a list of all the Waiver players ranked in a priority list fashion, which was nice.
If the Top 250 isn't something that is considered super reliable (ie. it appears to have a caveat of being VERY preliminary), why not add more data to the Up/Down/Waiver list? For instance, state what range a player might fall in after the writeup. So if Danny Woodhead is the number 1 RB upgrade, say that he might be ranked around RB30-35 if that is roughly how the writer sees it. Similarly with downgrades, of course.
I can't speak for everyone, but I know this would be helpful to me. (This could also be done with the IDP data...and all of that, in general, could come out sooner as well; I don't understand why that gets pushed back days after the offensive players are published.)
Will do, GWB. Are you saying it changed? I'm not seeing a change in what I'm seeing. Or at least I don't think I am.What browser are you using?J
Thanks AB,Appreciate the feedback there. And for the last one, David is on his own there. And I'm sure he'll do fine
J
Thanks PH. We'll take a look there. As far as reliable, honestly it's more a factor of when it's released than anything. In other words, a waiver wire blurb on Monday is going to be as good as we can make - on Monday. Same for the Top 250. Trying to make sure all those coincide is a big effort too. Matt Waldman and his crew create the Upgrade / Downgrade. But clearly, that has to jive with what David's doing on the Top 250. If it doesn't, we have to work it out. Lots of content with lots of moving pieces is cool on one level, but it creates a pretty complex challenge on others. Thanks for the feedback and for being a part of what we're doing and we'll keep chugging with it.J
az_prof
Footballguy
The claim that the staff is doing less is inaccurate as far as I can tell. They have ADDED content over the years--Dynasty Implications; Mining for Gold; IDP stuff; Rookie Draft Portfolio; among others. I don't even look at the top 250; I look at the Offensive Upgrades, available on Monday Night, to help do my waiver wires bids.
Agreed.J
Black
Footballguy
Are Top 250 moving forward projections, or rankings?
I think it would help to have some rankings that incorporate ceiling and floor of players, possibly with a couple of different writers, like the pre-season rankings. Projections feel a bit flakey and have no comments.
My biggest issue, esp with Top 250 moving forward is seeing the San Diego DEF listed at #2-3 overall for the rest of the season...then one week later they are at #5? They've lost two games to mediocre teams (at best) and now have dropped 2-3 spots? I think some commentary last week like "bad loss to OAK risks pushing them down" or "injuries to the LB corps threaten to push down this ranking..." just SOMETHING.
It feels so arbitrary, then a week later there's no explanation.
Another time this really stinks is when a player is out or returning from injury. Big Ben was at maybe QB15 last week? Now, magically, he's at QB9. He wasn't hurt, we knew he would thrash CLE... Right now, Mike Vick is at QB20. Yes him being a top 5 QB is contingent on his getting healthy and getting back the starting job, but can't you rank him, and put in that disclaimer in the comments?
Anyways, I don't really like the fact that the only in season rankings are based purely on projections, and don't seem to take into account floor, ceiling, and circumstances.
I think it would help to have some rankings that incorporate ceiling and floor of players, possibly with a couple of different writers, like the pre-season rankings. Projections feel a bit flakey and have no comments.
My biggest issue, esp with Top 250 moving forward is seeing the San Diego DEF listed at #2-3 overall for the rest of the season...then one week later they are at #5? They've lost two games to mediocre teams (at best) and now have dropped 2-3 spots? I think some commentary last week like "bad loss to OAK risks pushing them down" or "injuries to the LB corps threaten to push down this ranking..." just SOMETHING.
It feels so arbitrary, then a week later there's no explanation.
Another time this really stinks is when a player is out or returning from injury. Big Ben was at maybe QB15 last week? Now, magically, he's at QB9. He wasn't hurt, we knew he would thrash CLE... Right now, Mike Vick is at QB20. Yes him being a top 5 QB is contingent on his getting healthy and getting back the starting job, but can't you rank him, and put in that disclaimer in the comments?
Anyways, I don't really like the fact that the only in season rankings are based purely on projections, and don't seem to take into account floor, ceiling, and circumstances.
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Giant Wooden Badger
the Beav
IE and it just changed. Not sure why. Maybe it's a setting on my laptop but I didn't change it.Joe Bryant said:
So what is the better subscription alternative? The Huddle? Fantistics? Another?live54 said:This is exactly what I hate about FBG... Great information, but its of no use to anyone because its never delivered on time. The staff cannot meet any of the expectations that they set at the beginning of the season and year after year its the same issue... Content keeps getting pushed back later and later. Mornings become afternoons, afternoons become evenings and then all of a suddent the Tuesday content is now scheduled for Wednesday.My waivers run on Tuesday night, and most of the trading activity happens today in my office before waivers run. It would be nice to have the Top 250, but alas it will now become a worthless read after the fact.Many of us complained early on this year about this issue (and in past years as well) and once again were in the same boat. I'd be surprised if the game predictor and early projections are realeased prior to 10PM EST tonight...This will be my last year as an FBG subscriber... I found it has not really helped me make any decisions this year, it has merely confirmed that most of the decisions I have made follow along the same line of thinking as the FBG staff... and I dont need to pay for that. This subscription service is about gaining a skill advantage over other owners in your league(s) and that comes in the form of having information, numbers, trends, analysis and player information sooner than everyone else... which is exactly the opposite of what is being delivered.Adios FBG.... I dont need you anymore! The only thing I will miss is the subscriber contest...FBG staff, I hope you read this and take it to heart... Youre paying customers are tired of the same old song and dance... you should probably fix that before you dont have any paying customers left...
THE FANTASY KING
Footballguy
As someone who used to manage a fantasy website, let me just emphasize that you simply can not have this kind of content out in a way that fits every person's league. Many people are complaining because the Tuesday content comes out too late for their league which has Tuesday waivers; generally I think the answer to those complaints is "tough luck."
Either get the league to change the waiver date, be able to make waiver decisions yourself, or find another subscription service that fits your schedule and provides comparable quality. I do not think you will have much luck in that endeavor.
Regards,
THE FANTASY KING
Either get the league to change the waiver date, be able to make waiver decisions yourself, or find another subscription service that fits your schedule and provides comparable quality. I do not think you will have much luck in that endeavor.
Regards,
THE FANTASY KING
At the risk of sounding like I'm putting words in Joe's mouth, we need to realize that the paid content on FBG is an amalgamation of many different individuals' work. Lots of different folks are evaluating, writing, computing, scouting, analyzing, data-mining, and opining from all sorts of different fantasy-relevant angles. And naturally, not everyone will always agree. So, conceivably in a given week, Waldman and his crew may see Peyton Manning as an upgrade, while Dodds sees him as a downgrade.What is being suggested in this thread (directly or indirectly) is that not only should all of that information and analysis from many different experts be codified into a single, consistent message to subscribers, but moreover, that it a) be perfectly synchronized, and b) be released ASAP.We can debate whether or not compressing all of the collective FBG brainpower down to one consensus outlook is preferable to having several, sometimes contradictory viewpoints offered simultaneously, but either way, the notion that all of this stuff should be fully formed and publicly available before 2pm on Tuesday every week is just kinda goofy and surely unrealistic.Joe Bryant said:
Which kicker was/is that?
dagwood
Footballguy
Kaeding from San Diego. He is out this week with an injury.
Hadn't heard that. Thanks for the insight!
Couch Potato
Footballguy
Kris Brown (formerly of Texans) will kick for SD until Kaeding is back.
There are any number of situations that you know head of time may change so if putting your name on a set of rankings that you know will probably be flawed is an issue you could always flag the rankings that you are most concerned about moving. Matchups do not changed. Gameday injuries are known by then (although severity is not most times). I am curious as to what percentage of the rankings change. I mean if the #1 ranked player is all of the sudden out then everybody else may move up a spot but by my definition of change for this purpose I would count only his ranking drop and his replacement as changes. I guess what I am saying is if the issue is putting out a flawed product, flagging those situations you know about at the time of the rankings might mitigate that concern a lot.
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