Norwood, Turner, Morris (1 Viewer)

[gkza]

Unless last week was the start of a new trend, the Giants have been soft against the run. Will Norwood be able to take advantage at home?

Turner looked solid last week, very healthy ypc avg., he may get increased time, may play the whole 4th qtr or more. Does he tear it up?

Maurice Morris gets a go against another soft run defensive unit. Could he be what Alexander owners are looking for?

2 weeks ago i propsed this same question about Maroney and he blew up. Its seems like it could be a week for "less known" backs to be showcased in some capacity.

What do the sharks think??

 

[Ozymandias]

Norwood is questionable, but will probably start. However, his shoulder could flare up.

Morris got about 60% of the carries against a tough Chicago defense. He will split time with Strong and Weeks, and I think Strong will get the goal line work. I would bet on Turner.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

Norwood is questionable, but will probably start.

Norwood is not starting over Dunn this week.

 

[Ozymandias]

Norwood is questionable, but will probably start.

Norwood is not starting over Dunn this week.

Nitpicker! I meant he plays, as usual. But with some slight risk of aggravated injury.

 

[gkza]

Norwood is questionable, but will probably start.

Norwood is not starting over Dunn this week.

Nitpicker! I meant he plays, as usual. But with some slight risk of aggravated injury.

what kind of numbers does turner put in on a day where he probably sees extended work while LT yuks it up on the sideline in a baseball cap?

 

[rockbottom895]

In my opinion, this quesiton is clear cut. The answer has to be Michael Turner. Michael has proven himself to many NFL defenses while Morris hasnt done anything. Norwood, who has had a good season, isn't garunteed a ton of carries. In his most touches of the season, he only recieved 10 in a blow out against Carolina. Of course lat week he ran for 106 yards, but it all came from one huge run. Turner will play most of the second half. Turner all the way.

 

[baronson]

morris goes bananas this week. guaranteed. this is his last chance to show how big his sack is and its against the Rams, who even i could run for 100 yards against. book it. morris loses his mind this week on his way to 130 yds and a touch. and i nudge my way towards the prize. recognize...

 

[rockbottom895]

morris goes bananas this week. guaranteed. this is his last chance to show how big his sack is and its against the Rams, who even i could run for 100 yards against. book it. morris loses his mind this week on his way to 130 yds and a touch. and i nudge my way towards the prize. recognize...

Very unintelligent posting. The Rams, although they have a very ####ty rush defesne, will come up huge in this game. They will take an early lead, limiting Morris' carries. TURNER AGAINST SAN FRAN WILL BE BIGGER!

 

[baronson]

morris goes bananas this week. guaranteed. this is his last chance to show how big his sack is and its against the Rams, who even i could run for 100 yards against. book it. morris loses his mind this week on his way to 130 yds and a touch. and i nudge my way towards the prize. recognize...

Very unintelligent posting. The Rams, although they have a very ####ty rush defesne, will come up huge in this game. They will take an early lead, limiting Morris' carries. TURNER AGAINST SAN FRAN WILL BE BIGGER!

why mudsling? if anything is "unintelligent," its that. we can disagree, but lets do so like adults.i think the SF/SD game may be closer than a lot are predicting, whereas SEA is coming off a bye week and couldn't be more prepared to exploit StL. advantage Morris. if anything, he'll have 7-10 more touches, which to me indicates a lot more opportunity to break loose for a big one.

but be nice, dude. or i'll be forced to challenge you to a duel...

 

[seahawk 17]

Morris, and no they will not use Strong at the goaline.

5 yards and out screen to Morris, anything else Morris left side or look for Stevens this week.

 

[rockbottom895]

morris goes bananas this week. guaranteed. this is his last chance to show how big his sack is and its against the Rams, who even i could run for 100 yards against. book it. morris loses his mind this week on his way to 130 yds and a touch. and i nudge my way towards the prize. recognize...

Very unintelligent posting. The Rams, although they have a very ####ty rush defesne, will come up huge in this game. They will take an early lead, limiting Morris' carries. TURNER AGAINST SAN FRAN WILL BE BIGGER!

why mudsling? if anything is "unintelligent," its that. we can disagree, but lets do so like adults.i think the SF/SD game may be closer than a lot are predicting, whereas SEA is coming off a bye week and couldn't be more prepared to exploit StL. advantage Morris. if anything, he'll have 7-10 more touches, which to me indicates a lot more opportunity to break loose for a big one.

but be nice, dude. or i'll be forced to challenge you to a duel...

How can you say that SF/SD game is going to be closer than the SEA/STL game. Scott Linehanan has worked his boys to death. They arent as bad a football team as you might think. In the two games that Morris has started, he has rushed for a combined 53 yards on 26 touches. That is a little over 2 yards per carry. Not very good at all. Of course, his second game came against the bears, but he barely showed anything different against the Giants. Turner on the other hand, as a backup, is avereging 6.8 yards per carry. That is absolutly insane. Also, STL is a better rush defense than the San Fransico 49ers.http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-...ar?sort_col_1=7

The 49ers are ranked 25th, while the Rams are ranked 20th. Finally, to better my point, Id like you to read this article...

ay Posner, of the San Diego Union-Tribune, reports the San Diego Chargers intend to employ more two-running back sets after using both RB LaDainian Tomlinson and RB Michael Turner in the backfield at the same time for much of the second half during the team's Week 5 game. The Chargers rushed for 111 yards on 23 carries in the second half. "It forces teams to make a choice," said Tomlinson, who lined up as a slotback or wide receiver when Turner was in the backfield. "If they put a linebacker on me, then I can get the ball in the flat with some space. If they don't, if they walk out a safety on me, then we can run the football because they don't have as many people in the box."

Therefore, regardless if the Chargers blow them out (which they probably will), Turner is defiantlly looking at a ton of carries. Im sorry I called your post unintelligent. I want to settle this like men....

 

[xcheck2430]

yes, turner is the better start here, but don't give up on maurice morris. he's played two games: one against chi-towns finest, and another in which matt hasselbeck threw 35 passes. if he plays next week (if alexanders still out), hes a good start

 

[rockbottom895]

yes, turner is the better start here, but don't give up on maurice morris. he's played two games: one against chi-towns finest, and another in which matt hasselbeck threw 35 passes. if he plays next week (if alexanders still out), hes a good start

Why did Hasselback throw 35 passes? The Seahawks had a comfortable lead throughout the entire game agaisnt the Giants. If anything, Morris should have been featured in that game. EVERYONE, GIVE UP ON MORRIS!

 

[atcdav]

OK. Norwood. 8/98/1. why? because he is on my roster and I have to start him this week.

How about Leon Washington? repeat of last week plus a td?

Marion Barber has to be considered also. Almost a td per week. He should get extra touches versus Houston.

 

[xcheck2430]

he threw 35 passes because it was morris's first start in around a decade or something

 

[KCC]

Turner - and it's not even close.

 

[MLBrandow]

Turner - and it's not even close.

pretty sure I agree with this.Morris might be the worst starting RB in the league. Just because he's Shaun Alexander's backup doesn't make him worth anything.I'd take a slew of backups, including Turner and Norwood, over him.

 

[rockbottom895]

Turner - and it's not even close.

pretty sure I agree with this.Morris might be the worst starting RB in the league. Just because he's Shaun Alexander's backup doesn't make him worth anything.I'd take a slew of backups, including Turner and Norwood, over him.

Im loving you MLBrandow. You are agreeing on almost all of my points. Both Norwood and Turner are SIGNIFICANTLY better than Maurice Morris.

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

Turner - and it's not even close.

pretty sure I agree with this.Morris might be the worst starting RB in the league. Just because he's Shaun Alexander's backup doesn't make him worth anything.I'd take a slew of backups, including Turner and Norwood, over him.

Im loving you MLBrandow. You are agreeing on almost all of my points. Both Norwood and Turner are SIGNIFICANTLY better than Maurice Morris.

I think you guys are missing the point. The OP is talking about who produces better this week. While Norwood and Turner may be better than Morris, for the week Morris is the better play.1. Morris - Unquestioned starter who will carry the load against a bad run defense. 2. Turner- Getting more and more carries but is still the #2. If you want to count on a blowout that would lead to more carries for Turner, go ahead, it may very well happen, but it is the NFL and you never know.3. Norwood - While he has looked good if he doesn't break the long one he not a viable option for the week.

 

[zamboni]

Morris might be the worst starting RB in the league. Just because he's Shaun Alexander's backup doesn't make him worth anything.

Yet year after year, people will continue to praise him because 5 years ago Holmgren said one nice sentence about him.

 

[KCC]

Turner - and it's not even close.

pretty sure I agree with this.Morris might be the worst starting RB in the league. Just because he's Shaun Alexander's backup doesn't make him worth anything.I'd take a slew of backups, including Turner and Norwood, over him.

Im loving you MLBrandow. You are agreeing on almost all of my points. Both Norwood and Turner are SIGNIFICANTLY better than Maurice Morris.

I think you guys are missing the point. The OP is talking about who produces better this week. While Norwood and Turner may be better than Morris, for the week Morris is the better play.1. Morris - Unquestioned starter who will carry the load against a bad run defense. 2. Turner- Getting more and more carries but is still the #2. If you want to count on a blowout that would lead to more carries for Turner, go ahead, it may very well happen, but it is the NFL and you never know.3. Norwood - While he has looked good if he doesn't break the long one he not a viable option for the week.

I understand your points, but I'm still projecting Turner to have a bigger week. I would really be surprised if San Fran is capable of keeping up with San Diego and Turner's talent level is a few tiers above Morris' IMHO.

 

[Bobcat10]

MBIII

 

[MLBrandow]

Turner - and it's not even close.

pretty sure I agree with this.Morris might be the worst starting RB in the league. Just because he's Shaun Alexander's backup doesn't make him worth anything.I'd take a slew of backups, including Turner and Norwood, over him.

Im loving you MLBrandow. You are agreeing on almost all of my points. Both Norwood and Turner are SIGNIFICANTLY better than Maurice Morris.

I think you guys are missing the point. The OP is talking about who produces better this week. While Norwood and Turner may be better than Morris, for the week Morris is the better play.1. Morris - Unquestioned starter who will carry the load against a bad run defense. 2. Turner- Getting more and more carries but is still the #2. If you want to count on a blowout that would lead to more carries for Turner, go ahead, it may very well happen, but it is the NFL and you never know.3. Norwood - While he has looked good if he doesn't break the long one he not a viable option for the week.

If you have to start Morris, may as well put your team on waivers and get a new one.Agreeing with the other response above, Turner should have a better week. Morris could be playing cheerleaders out there.. he still sucks. He's too small, he's too slow, and he's a breather back who's now being expected to carry the load.And unquestioned starter? Morris has never had the most carries on his team in a game ever.People look at his YPC as a backup and go "man MoMo is a baller."Here's a short list of games where he had a relevant amount of carries before this year. See if you notice a trend:'02 - @ARI - 15/72 (4.8), W27-6 (ARI 5-11)'03 - @ARI - 11/67 (6.1), W38-0 (ARI 4-12)'04 - v.SF - 8/42 (5.3), W34-0 (SF 2-14)'05 - v.HOU - 8/104/TD (13.0), W42-10 (HOU 2-14)Garbage time numbers from a garbage RB against the worst team in the league at that time.Take these four games out of his numbers and suddenly there's a different tune being played... it's the tune of a RB who sucks:162/620 (3.8) 0TDAnd note that this is a statline from a RB who has spent his career spelling Shaun Alexander. His numbers should be inflated, right?Well, they are. Take a look at his stats this year.... 33/101 (3.1).He's also a touchdown monster with all of the one he's ever scored.Why do people think this guy is good? Does his career 8.0 ypr average have you giddy? Think it has something to do with the fact that they've only thrown to him about once every three games?So why all the MoMo hate from me? I don't know, I just don't like guys getting undeserved hype like I was reading on this guy from these boards here and there.Guy is crap. Being behind an injured OL isn't going to help his cause. What you need to do is get him some miracle grow, not start him on your fantasy team.

 

[LBH]

Norwood.

 

[The Moz]

Turner 15 carries 120 yards 2 TD's

MoMo 21 carries 90 yards 1 TD

Norwood - 8 carries 50 yards

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

Turner - and it's not even close.

pretty sure I agree with this.Morris might be the worst starting RB in the league. Just because he's Shaun Alexander's backup doesn't make him worth anything.

I'd take a slew of backups, including Turner and Norwood, over him.

Im loving you MLBrandow. You are agreeing on almost all of my points. Both Norwood and Turner are SIGNIFICANTLY better than Maurice Morris.

I think you guys are missing the point. The OP is talking about who produces better this week. While Norwood and Turner may be better than Morris, for the week Morris is the better play.1. Morris - Unquestioned starter who will carry the load against a bad run defense.

2. Turner- Getting more and more carries but is still the #2. If you want to count on a blowout that would lead to more carries for Turner, go ahead, it may very well happen, but it is the NFL and you never know.

3. Norwood - While he has looked good if he doesn't break the long one he not a viable option for the week.

If you have to start Morris, may as well put your team on waivers and get a new one.Agreeing with the other response above, Turner should have a better week. Morris could be playing cheerleaders out there.. he still sucks. He's too small, he's too slow, and he's a breather back who's now being expected to carry the load.

And unquestioned starter? Morris has never had the most carries on his team in a game ever.

People look at his YPC as a backup and go "man MoMo is a baller."

Here's a short list of games where he had a relevant amount of carries before this year. See if you notice a trend:

'02 - @ARI - 15/72 (4.8), W27-6 (ARI 5-11)

'03 - @ARI - 11/67 (6.1), W38-0 (ARI 4-12)

'04 - v.SF - 8/42 (5.3), W34-0 (SF 2-14)

'05 - v.HOU - 8/104/TD (13.0), W42-10 (HOU 2-14)

Garbage time numbers from a garbage RB against the worst team in the league at that time.

Take these four games out of his numbers and suddenly there's a different tune being played... it's the tune of a RB who sucks:

162/620 (3.8) 0TD

And note that this is a statline from a RB who has spent his career spelling Shaun Alexander. His numbers should be inflated, right?

Well, they are. Take a look at his stats this year.... 33/101 (3.1).

He's also a touchdown monster with all of the one he's ever scored.

Why do people think this guy is good? Does his career 8.0 ypr average have you giddy? Think it has something to do with the fact that they've only thrown to him about once every three games?

So why all the MoMo hate from me? I don't know, I just don't like guys getting undeserved hype like I was reading on this guy from these boards here and there.

Guy is crap. Being behind an injured OL isn't going to help his cause. What you need to do is get him some miracle grow, not start him on your fantasy team.

Are we doing this in the shark pool now? We are only counting stats that make your point valid? I'm not high on Morris either in terms of long term, but for the week he is a viable option. The question asked isn't if Morris is the second coming of Jim Brown but if he is the better start this week over Turner and Norwood. While it isn't the greatest option, one could do alot worse this week. I don't think 70-90 yards and a score is too far of a stretch against a terrible Rams defense.Here is how they have fared....

Week 1

T. Bell 15 for 103

M. Bell 10 for 58 1TD

Week 2

Gore 29 for 127 1TD

Week 3

James 24 for 94 1TD

Week 4

K. Jones 19 for 93 2TDs

Week 5

Herron 20 for 106 1TD

While Bell and Gore have made most defenses look bad, James and Jones haven't found much room to run against anybody except the Rams and Herron (a 3rd stringer) put up great numbers as well.

While you obviously are blinded by a bias on Morris you cannot dismiss the value of his match up for the week.

 

[Golden Valley Vipers]

Another Marion Barber vote here

 

[zoos]

gado will open some eyes this weekend.

 

[EFD]

Musa Smith.

 

[urbanhack]

What about Mike Bell? He'll surely get some touches against Oakland, no?

 

[jerseys finest]

Musa Smith.

thats my vote for a huge suprise performance this week. musa smith takes the reins of the running game this week and doesn't look back

 

[CYP]

Not to hi-jack but dont you think Cedric Benson will get some serious playing time this week? Its gotta be a blow out by halftime.

 

[zamboni]

What about Mike Bell? He'll surely get some touches against Oakland, no?

No, and stop calling him Shirley.

 

[MLBrandow]

Are we doing this in the shark pool now? We are only counting stats that make your point valid? I'm not high on Morris either in terms of long term, but for the week he is a viable option. The question asked isn't if Morris is the second coming of Jim Brown but if he is the better start this week over Turner and Norwood. While it isn't the greatest option, one could do alot worse this week. I don't think 70-90 yards and a score is too far of a stretch against a terrible Rams defense.

Here is how they have fared....

Week 1

T. Bell 15 for 103

M. Bell 10 for 58 1TD

Week 2

Gore 29 for 127 1TD

Week 3

James 24 for 94 1TD

Week 4

K. Jones 19 for 93 2TDs

Week 5

Herron 20 for 106 1TD

While Bell and Gore have made most defenses look bad, James and Jones haven't found much room to run against anybody except the Rams and Herron (a 3rd stringer) put up great numbers as well.

While you obviously are blinded by a bias on Morris you cannot dismiss the value of his match up for the week.

That's nice, except for none of those guys are Morris, nor does displaying their stats disqualify Morris as the worst starting RB in the league.I'll bet you a pot of gold that Morris doesn't break 50 yards or 4 yards a carry or the endzone.

Those are three things that all of these guys (counting DEN RB as one) that he won't.

It's not biased if it's true... and I don't understand why some people have a difficult time with that.

"Facts? You can use facts to prove anything."

-Homer Simpson

I see a clear pattern between the aforementioned quote and your linear thinking.

If you'd like though, you're more than welcome to pull up more stats from other running backs to prove your point about how Morris should start this week.

I'm pretty sure I've exposed Morris well enough to scare the competant fantasy players away this season.

 

[MLBrandow]

While you obviously are blinded by a bias on Morris you cannot dismiss the value of his match up for the week.

Was a little curious why you never responded to my post. I guess 5 rushes for 4 yards at halftime might have something to do with it.

 

[rockbottom895]

While you obviously are blinded by a bias on Morris you cannot dismiss the value of his match up for the week.

Was a little curious why you never responded to my post. I guess 5 rushes for 4 yards at halftime might have something to do with it.

Who said that Morris was a bad start? Im pretty sure that was me and MLBrandow. Listen to the intelligent men next time.

 

[franks&beans]

Good call on Turner, glad I went against the crowd and played Morris anyway, 80 yards is 80 yards.

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

While you obviously are blinded by a bias on Morris you cannot dismiss the value of his match up for the week.

Was a little curious why you never responded to my post. I guess 5 rushes for 4 yards at halftime might have something to do with it.

Who said that Morris was a bad start? Im pretty sure that was me and MLBrandow. Listen to the intelligent men next time.

I believe the question was which of the three was the better start. You guys were obviously correct.Morris 24 touches for 80 yards.

Turner 1 touch for 0 yards.

Norwood 5 touches for 11 yards.

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

Good call on Turner, glad I went against the crowd and played Morris anyway, 80 yards is 80 yards.

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

While you obviously are blinded by a bias on Morris you cannot dismiss the value of his match up for the week.

Was a little curious why you never responded to my post. I guess 5 rushes for 4 yards at halftime might have something to do with it.

Excellent premature postulation here.

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

While you obviously are blinded by a bias on Morris you cannot dismiss the value of his match up for the week.

Was a little curious why you never responded to my post. I guess 5 rushes for 4 yards at halftime might have something to do with it.

I never responded to your post because I explained why I liked Morris over the other 2 mentioned and you basically responded with "he sucks" without providing any logic except for your hypocritical take these stats out and look at his numbers, all while posting that facts are worthless because you can make them prove whatever you want. I figured it was no use arguing with you because you had your mind made up and that was it. BTW, you were wrong.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

gado will open some eyes this weekend.

 

[BrentBlack]

While you obviously are blinded by a bias on Morris you cannot dismiss the value of his match up for the week.

Was a little curious why you never responded to my post. I guess 5 rushes for 4 yards at halftime might have something to do with it.

Excellent premature postulation here.

This thread is a pot of gold, much like the one that MLBrandow is going to be giving away.

 

[KCC]

Good call on Turner, glad I went against the crowd and played Morris anyway, 80 yards is 80 yards.

Yep - I thought San Diego would roll over San Fran and give Turner (who had seen a lot of action in earlier games) the rock for the second half. I freely admit I was completely wrong on this one. Good play on your part. Just out of curiousity, does anyone know why Turner wasn't used in this game?

 

[CalBear]

Good call on Turner, glad I went against the crowd and played Morris anyway, 80 yards is 80 yards.

Yep - I thought San Diego would roll over San Fran and give Turner (who had seen a lot of action in earlier games) the rock for the second half. I freely admit I was completely wrong on this one. Good play on your part. Just out of curiousity, does anyone know why Turner wasn't used in this game?

Because CBS Sportsline recommended starting him. They have a near-perfect record of their featured start in the "Start 'em and Sit 'em" column doing nothing.

 

[Kleck]

I'll bet you a pot of gold that Morris doesn't break 50 yards or 4 yards a carry or the endzone.

Oops. 74 is more than 50. Actually, I'm surprised he reached 74 considering the game situation. They were playing from behind almost the entire game. When they were down 14 points it was looking ugly. Other than the fumble Morris looked fine. He hit the holes (when they were available) and caught the ball well.My advice? When you run across someone that only talks in extremes (he sucks or he's awesome), it's best to just move on. It's okay to say you don't know or you're not sure.