What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

NY HS Football coach suspended for winning by more than 42 points. (1 Viewer)

I am pretty sure the other team had their backups in too so it isnt an actual scenario. Also they cant play if they are hurt. Pitchers throw a ball at a guys head because he watched a home run too long or a guy stole a base when ahead by 8 runs. You think there isnt a drastically increased risk of cheap shots on a football field when running up the score? 

It isnt the smart play to extend the game when leading by that much. 

It fails from the standpoint of team strategy for going forward in the season, it obviously fails the sportsmanship front and of course there is a rule in place so it fails on the risk/reward scale regarding your coaching staff. 

Stupid decision. 
Disagree.  I do agree the 2's should've been in earlier.  That I blame the coaches for but once the 2's are in they should play just as hard as the 1's.  Kids are taught in practice to give 110% on every play so now you're telling the kids to throttle down?  That's garbage and unfair to the 2's who practice just as hard as the 1's. 

 
In my experience,  the adults (parents) feelings are hurt way more in these losses than the players feelings

Take the L and move on. These kids aren’t little league age
This......the games are 12 minute quarters. Kids play the game and move on.  Then the adults take over in their committees and argue about the score being too lopsided when the players are already over it.  In these types of games when the backups get in they usually are trying harder than the starters to impress.

 
That right there proves why the rule is so stupid.  Going by this, the starters left the game up by 41.  Had the subs not scored it would never have been up for review.  It's a terrible rule.
See this is where the coach is wrong.  Starters should've been pulled way before that.  Can't expect the subs to throttle down.

 
See this is where the coach is wrong.  Starters should've been pulled way before that.  Can't expect the subs to throttle down.
I agree.  I was just pointing more to how arbitrary and stupid the rule is.  The starting QB scored in the 4th to put them up by 41.  If their backups hadn't been good enough to score it wouldn't have been up for review.  That changes nothing about the starters scoring to go up 41 IMO.  It's a stupid rule.

 
If the team is running the ball every play just let the game play out.  Otherwise New York needs to put in a "Mercy" rule for HS football.   If you are up by 35 in the second half the game is ended. 
In PA if the lead is 35 (IIRC) or more at halftime, there's a continuous clock in the second half.

 
Disagree.  I do agree the 2's should've been in earlier.  That I blame the coaches for but once the 2's are in they should play just as hard as the 1's.  Kids are taught in practice to give 110% on every play so now you're telling the kids to throttle down?  That's garbage and unfair to the 2's who practice just as hard as the 1's. 
You are still glossing over the fact that they are leaving lots of time on the play clock. There is literally zero excuse for that. The coach has complete control of that. He could simply spend more time talking to the QB on the sideline and this would still allow them to run no huddle formation if for some reason that was a big concern.

And spare me the 110% business. That's one of the sillier cliches. 

 
Disagree.  I do agree the 2's should've been in earlier.  That I blame the coaches for but once the 2's are in they should play just as hard as the 1's.  Kids are taught in practice to give 110% on every play so now you're telling the kids to throttle down?  That's garbage and unfair to the 2's who practice just as hard as the 1's. 


You are still glossing over the fact that they are leaving lots of time on the play clock. There is literally zero excuse for that. The coach has complete control of that. He could simply spend more time talking to the QB on the sideline and this would still allow them to run no huddle formation if for some reason that was a big concern.

And spare me the 110% business. That's one of the sillier cliches. 
If you change the style of play for your subs they don't get the work they need in a game situation.  The kids on the field should never have to play less than their max effort in fear of running up a score.  Unfortunately that is what this type of rule actually teaches.  It is like a soccer team playing keep away from a team to try not score any more goals.  To me that is more humiliating than just playing the game and scoring accordingly. 

Keeping starters in longer than necessary is really the issue here not the actual score of the game. 

 
I agree.  I was just pointing more to how arbitrary and stupid the rule is.  The starting QB scored in the 4th to put them up by 41.  If their backups hadn't been good enough to score it wouldn't have been up for review.  That changes nothing about the starters scoring to go up 41 IMO.  It's a stupid rule.
Technically, after the PAT, they were up 42. 

 
If you change the style of play for your subs they don't get the work they need in a game situation. 
You don't actually mean this. You obviously wouldn't advocate that they run any deep outs so the play calling is probably already changed. 

Again even if we say that they should run all out and try to score once the ball is snapped, there is simply zero justification for not running the play clock down. Running a hurry up offense when you are ahead by 42 with 7 minutes left is bad strategy completely removed from the sportsmanship side of this. 

 
You don't actually mean this. You obviously wouldn't advocate that they run any deep outs so the play calling is probably already changed. 

Again even if we say that they should run all out and try to score once the ball is snapped, there is simply zero justification for not running the play clock down. Running a hurry up offense when you are ahead by 42 with 7 minutes left is bad strategy completely removed from the sportsmanship side of this. 
Every time a player steps on the field they should play all out and try to score once the ball is snapped.  If you take that away then why even play?

I do mean what I said....Play style and play calling aren't necessarily the same thing.  No huddle, quick tempo is play style.  The actual plays that they call can be altered to run plays.  I do agree that milking the play clock is something that they should also practice for games that are still in question where you want to keep the ball and use as much time as possible.  There is purpose to that and agree that should have been done.

The bigger point is that you shouldn't tell your players to dial back their play once the ball is snapped.  That is where injuries are most likely.  You also don't want players playing half-assed.  It's a bad trait to have.  As a player you should play at your full potential every time you step on the field.  The score shouldn't change that. 

 
The bigger point is that you shouldn't tell your players to dial back their play once the ball is snapped.  That is where injuries are most likely.
I agree with this. 

ETA: save for situations where you can simply kneel like gurley, williams, etc.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Shark move was to then miss the PAT to stay under the suspension threshold.....
They tried this a little too late they kneeled to keep it at 48. I found this part of the video to be the funniest. They scored. Lots of leaping chest bumps later and they are lining up to kick and then the qb got word from the coach to kneel instead of kick. So the kicker awkwardly moves back into victory formation and barely gets set before the snap.

ETA: just watched this again and had the sound on. They mentioned this game where another team in the county won 70-27. That coach was not suspended. wonder what the difference in opinion was.   

 
Last edited by a moderator:
  This coach is a clown. Pull your starters.  Give your backups and underclassmen a chance to be competitive in a game. 
Our HSFB team has this dilemma half the weeks and I can tell you there are things you aren’t factoring in. When it comes down to it, we try to use all backups as much as possible in blowouts, but most HS teams don’t have underclassmen that belong playing against varsity starters. 

How badly our top guys beat up the other team’s varsity starters has very little to do with how it will go (or if it’s even safe) to be running out 130lb 9th graders against the other teams varsity starters. In my experience, the opponent never counters with JV offense and ALWAYS takes it as a chance to score by going after a young kid with a deep pass or something. 

The numbers in HSFB are such that most teams won’t just have another wave of dudes on standby that can go out there and tread water. I’m sure where they have someone halfway reasonable they sub. 

 
Our HSFB team has this dilemma half the weeks and I can tell you there are things you aren’t factoring in. When it comes down to it, we try to use all backups as much as possible in blowouts, but most HS teams don’t have underclassmen that belong playing against varsity starters. 

How badly our top guys beat up the other team’s varsity starters has very little to do with how it will go (or if it’s even safe) to be running out 130lb 9th graders against the other teams varsity starters. In my experience, the opponent never counters with JV offense and ALWAYS takes it as a chance to score by going after a young kid with a deep pass or something. 

The numbers in HSFB are such that most teams won’t just have another wave of dudes on standby that can go out there and tread water. I’m sure where they have someone halfway reasonable they sub. 
Fair point.  

 
They tried this a little too late they kneeled to keep it at 48. I found this part of the video to be the funniest. They scored. Lots of leaping chest bumps later and they are lining up to kick and then the qb got word from the coach to kneel instead of kick. So the kicker awkwardly moves back into victory formation and barely gets set before the snap.

ETA: just watched this again and had the sound on. They mentioned this game where another team in the county won 70-27. That coach was not suspended. wonder what the difference in opinion was.   
The winning team only scored 14 points in the second half. It seems highly likely to me, that they had the back ups in at that point.

 
From Italy:

Manager sacked after 27-0 win as club president left fuming at a lack of respect

A youth coach in Italy was sacked after his side won 27-0 on Saturday as the president of the club criticised him for disrespecting the team's opponents.

"We were stunned and deeply regretful when hearing that our Juniores team had beaten Marina Calcio 27-0," President Brogelli said in a statement.

"The values of youth team football are antithetical to such a thing. The opponent must always be respected and that did not happen today.

"As president, I sincerely apologise to the Marina club. I announce that our directors decided, unanimously, to sack coach Riccini.

"Our coaches have the duty to train young players, but above all to educate them. That did not happen today."

 
Our HSFB team has this dilemma half the weeks and I can tell you there are things you aren’t factoring in. When it comes down to it, we try to use all backups as much as possible in blowouts, but most HS teams don’t have underclassmen that belong playing against varsity starters. 

How badly our top guys beat up the other team’s varsity starters has very little to do with how it will go (or if it’s even safe) to be running out 130lb 9th graders against the other teams varsity starters. In my experience, the opponent never counters with JV offense and ALWAYS takes it as a chance to score by going after a young kid with a deep pass or something. 

The numbers in HSFB are such that most teams won’t just have another wave of dudes on standby that can go out there and tread water. I’m sure where they have someone halfway reasonable they sub. 
Exactly. Especially for smaller schools (Class A in PA) a lot of these 9th and even a lot of 10th graders shouldn't be on the field.  My town's two schools combined starting this season because they both were getting dangerously close to not being able to field a team.  We're talking like 25-28 kids.

 
So since this is in Italy, I am assuming when they say it's football, it's really soccer? 27-0 in a soccer game is ridiculous. When the teams are that different in skill level, just stop the game early. It is no longer a competitive event.
I believe it's soccer also. Would that be the equivalent of an American football team beating another roughly 160 to 0?

 
Isnt it really more disrespectful to just play keep away for 45 minutes? 
I see this in HS hockey on occasion ... teams get more upset when the superior opponent looks like they're not trying.

Also, I've always thought "sacked" is a great word in this context.

 
I saw in the first round of high school playoffs this year in our state that a team won 100-0. It was a six man football game which most states probably don’t have and which are usually high scoring. I can only assume the winning team had their weakest lineup in and was still scoring. 

 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top