NYC assassination news thread - Please no politics (2 Viewers)

[Desert_Power]

Yea this is a wild story. Something kinda like out of Fargo.

It is crazy. As is the online "public" reaction.

 

[Todem]

I just feel sick for his wife and kids. Just a horrible event.

I hope they catch this guy and his family get full justice.

Just insane.

 

[fatness]

I just feel sick for his wife and kids. Just a horrible event.

Yeah, that's the worst part -- a wife and kid suddenly left without husband and dad due to a killer.

Not that it's a cause or anything, but he and his wife lived separately. I don't know who had custody of the kids.

 

[fatness]

There were also recent reports that this CEO was responsible for an AI algorithm that was essentially set up to automatically deny claims, even if the provider said they were supposed to be insured.

Yeah, that claim is part of a lawsuit that is still bogged down in court due to requests dismiss and requests to delay discovery: https://litigationtracker.law.georg...ken-the-et-al-v-unitedhealth-group-inc-et-al/
It's not claimed that United Health Care invented the AI program, just that they used it to try to shield the company from liability.

The details of what United Health Care is accused of doing are spelled out in the original complaint in that lawsuit: https://litigationtracker.law.georg...f-Gene-B.-Lokken-et-al_20231114_COMPLAINT.pdf
Just read the first 5 pages to get the gist of the complaint.

The AI program used supposedly denied 90% of all claims: https://www.statnews.com/2023/11/14/unitedhealth-class-action-lawsuit-algorithm-medicare-advantage/

 

[fatness]

NYpost showed a book titled with the 3 words scratched into the casings... Anybody know more?

"Deny, defend, depose" was carved on shell casings at the crime scene.

A book about health insurance companies denying care was written in 2010 titled "Delay, Deny, Defend": https://delaydenydefend.com/

 

[-fish-]

There were also recent reports that this CEO was responsible for an AI algorithm that was essentially set up to automatically deny claims, even if the provider said they were supposed to be insured.

Yeah, that claim is part of a lawsuit that is still bogged down in court due to requests dismiss and requests to delay discovery: https://litigationtracker.law.georg...ken-the-et-al-v-unitedhealth-group-inc-et-al/
It's not claimed that United Health Care invented the AI program, just that they used it to try to shield the company from liability.

The details of what United Health Care is accused of doing are spelled out in the original complaint in that lawsuit: https://litigationtracker.law.georg...f-Gene-B.-Lokken-et-al_20231114_COMPLAINT.pdf
Just read the first 5 pages to get the gist of the complaint.

The AI program used supposedly denied 90% of all claims: https://www.statnews.com/2023/11/14/unitedhealth-class-action-lawsuit-algorithm-medicare-advantage/

I don't think it was that it denied 90% of claims per se, but that it had a 90% error rate and they used it anyway.

 

[Major]

Seems like it is only time before they start working backwards on the timeline. His face has gotta be on a thousand cameras in the hours leading up to this

Crazy that his biggest fail thus far and only face capture was when he was flirting with the hostel worker. I doubt the perp ever watched Heat. Don't let your face get attached to anything you are not willing to walk out on in 30 seconds flat.

 

[GoBirds]

Can’t believe he’s still out there.

 

[culdeus]

Don't get why the name isn't out there either. Almost makes it seem like a professional hit from someone overseas and he gone.

Very amateur though getting on camera at the Starbucks

Used sub sonic ammo in a single action slide style handgun with a silencer. So the guy knew a little about what to do

 

[El Floppo]

Don't get why the name isn't out there either. Almost makes it seem like a professional hit from someone overseas and he gone.

Very amateur though getting on camera at the Starbucks

Used sub sonic ammo in a single action slide style handgun with a silencer. So the guy knew a little about what to do

After the initial reports, they keep saying no silencer, just a long barreled pistol... Are you seeing different reporting?

 

[culdeus]

Don't get why the name isn't out there either. Almost makes it seem like a professional hit from someone overseas and he gone.

Very amateur though getting on camera at the Starbucks

Used sub sonic ammo in a single action slide style handgun with a silencer. So the guy knew a little about what to do

After the initial reports, they keep saying no silencer, just a long barreled pistol... Are you seeing different reporting?

Possibly old reporting

 

[eoMMan]

Going to be a ton of true crime TV shows/podcasts/etc on this. So much content here and different angles this could go.

 

[QuizGuy66]

NYpost showed a book titled with the 3 words scratched into the casings... Anybody know more?

"Deny, defend, depose" was carved on shell casings at the crime scene.

A book about health insurance companies denying care was written in 2010 titled "Delay, Deny, Defend": https://delaydenydefend.com/

So he swapped the word deposed in there. Would think they would be looking at court cases where the victim provided a deposition.

-QG

 

[Dezbelief]

Don't get why the name isn't out there either. Almost makes it seem like a professional hit from someone overseas and he gone.

Very amateur though getting on camera at the Starbucks

Used sub sonic ammo in a single action slide style handgun with a silencer. So the guy knew a little about what to do

After the initial reports, they keep saying no silencer, just a long barreled pistol... Are you seeing different reporting?

Possibly old reporting

Late last night CNN was still using silencer in their updating article.

 

[TennesseeJed]

NYpost showed a book titled with the 3 words scratched into the casings... Anybody know more?

"Deny, defend, depose" was carved on shell casings at the crime scene.

A book about health insurance companies denying care was written in 2010 titled "Delay, Deny, Defend": https://delaydenydefend.com/

So he swapped the word deposed in there. Would think they would be looking at court cases where the victim provided a deposition.

-QG

Seems more like a red herring.

 

[3C's]

NYpost showed a book titled with the 3 words scratched into the casings... Anybody know more?

"Deny, defend, depose" was carved on shell casings at the crime scene.

A book about health insurance companies denying care was written in 2010 titled "Delay, Deny, Defend": https://delaydenydefend.com/

So he swapped the word deposed in there. Would think they would be looking at court cases where the victim provided a deposition.

-QG

Seems more like a red herring.

That's a theory but not likely.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

NYpost showed a book titled with the 3 words scratched into the casings... Anybody know more?

"Deny, defend, depose" was carved on shell casings at the crime scene.

A book about health insurance companies denying care was written in 2010 titled "Delay, Deny, Defend": https://delaydenydefend.com/

So he swapped the word deposed in there. Would think they would be looking at court cases where the victim provided a deposition.

-QG

That's almost every single legit lawsuit - most cases don't settle until after the deposition phase.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Don't get why the name isn't out there either. Almost makes it seem like a professional hit from someone overseas and he gone.

Very amateur though getting on camera at the Starbucks

Used sub sonic ammo in a single action slide style handgun with a silencer. So the guy knew a little about what to do

After the initial reports, they keep saying no silencer, just a long barreled pistol... Are you seeing different reporting?

Possibly old reporting

Late last night CNN was still using silencer in their updating article.

From what I've seen, the gun, silencer and ammo used were still being debated by internet gun nerds as of yesterday.

 

[El Floppo]

Don't get why the name isn't out there either. Almost makes it seem like a professional hit from someone overseas and he gone.

Very amateur though getting on camera at the Starbucks

Used sub sonic ammo in a single action slide style handgun with a silencer. So the guy knew a little about what to do

After the initial reports, they keep saying no silencer, just a long barreled pistol... Are you seeing different reporting?

Possibly old reporting

Late last night CNN was still using silencer in their updating article.

From what I've seen, the gun, silencer and ammo used were still being debated by internet gun nerds as of yesterday.

I should have linked it, but I saw an article that police had identified the gun- a specific english model that's fairly rare and has a long barrel. That's led them to the gun store in CT.

of course, that could all be BS and not actually tied to the police comments at all, and just one of those circulating rumors that gets picked up on and then disseminated in MSM articles.

 

[SWC]

Don't get why the name isn't out there either. Almost makes it seem like a professional hit from someone overseas and he gone.

Very amateur though getting on camera at the Starbucks

Used sub sonic ammo in a single action slide style handgun with a silencer. So the guy knew a little about what to do

After the initial reports, they keep saying no silencer, just a long barreled pistol... Are you seeing different reporting?

that is what i read long barrell that acted as a silencer and made the shots hard to hear take that to the bank brohan

 

[mr. furley]

Just occurred to me, re the e-bike... If it was actually a Citibike (shared) then it would have needed to have been docked to charge before he took it... So stealing those is unlikely and goes back to someone needing to rent it with a credit card.

Article on ABC News site saying there's footage of him carrying an e bike battery near the hostel before the shooting, which implies it's not a Citibike. Fwiw. Also says footage of him exiting the park on the upper west side after the shooting.

85th Street which seems like a little bit of a weird place to come out given where he came in. You'd basically have to ride foot paths or the drive the wrong way on one of the roads. 72nd and 79th are much more natural places using Terrace to get west.

It's an entrance/exit. I agree that 79th makes more sense, but you think he's going to care too much about riding the "right" direction, if at least for a little (assuming he entered on 6th and rise up the east side to the 79th St transverse)?

just murdered someone. better make sure i follow all the rules on my getaway attempt.

 

[Sammy3469]

CNN story says he exited CP at 77th St (which makes a little more sense I guess) and had ditched the backpack by then. The Greyhound stuff sounds very Jack Reacher-ish.

Hopefully either the DNA/phone/fingerprint/facial AI recognition pick something up because frankly he could be anywhere at this point.

 

[Ridgeback]

There were also recent reports that this CEO was responsible for an AI algorithm that was essentially set up to automatically deny claims, even if the provider said they were supposed to be insured.

Yeah, that claim is part of a lawsuit that is still bogged down in court due to requests dismiss and requests to delay discovery: https://litigationtracker.law.georg...ken-the-et-al-v-unitedhealth-group-inc-et-al/
It's not claimed that United Health Care invented the AI program, just that they used it to try to shield the company from liability.

The details of what United Health Care is accused of doing are spelled out in the original complaint in that lawsuit: https://litigationtracker.law.georg...f-Gene-B.-Lokken-et-al_20231114_COMPLAINT.pdf
Just read the first 5 pages to get the gist of the complaint.

The AI program used supposedly denied 90% of all claims: https://www.statnews.com/2023/11/14/unitedhealth-class-action-lawsuit-algorithm-medicare-advantage/

Sad, but not surprising.

 

[SWC]

just an observation most people i hear talking about this in my life say murder is bad and they feel bad for his kids but no one and i mean no one is defending the insurance industry and everyone is saying they totally understand why someone would want to take this guys life and that is pretty scary to me to be honest take that to the bank brohans

 

[CGRdrJoe]

just an observation most people i hear talking about this in my life say murder is bad and they feel bad for his kids but no one and i mean no one is defending the insurance industry and everyone is saying they totally understand why someone would want to take this guys life and that is pretty scary to me to be honest take that to the bank brohans

I think it's kind of normal to think that way, if it was a family member that died because of denial of service due to health insurance then I too would think that way. Now, I wouldn't act on it because i'm not off my rocker but I would definitely be thinking like that.

 

[El Floppo]

CNN story says he exited CP at 77th St (which makes a little more sense I guess) and had ditched the backpack by then. The Greyhound stuff sounds very Jack Reacher-ish.

Hopefully either the DNA/phone/fingerprint/facial AI recognition pick something up because frankly he could be anywhere at this point.

That makes a lot more sense. And the video of him after he exits... Doesn't look like a citibike.

There's basically no new info this morning, which goes towards him having left the city and being hunkered down somewhere. What was the Greyhound info? Just inbound, or something else outbound?

I keep thinking about that guy who shot up the R or N train in Brooklyn... Movements tracked and then lost until he popped up in the EVil a day or two later and spotted/reported by somebody.

This guy's picture is pretty clear- whoever knows him is going to recognize him in that pic. I'd assume somebody somewhere is calling his info in, if they haven't already.

 

[SWC]

just an observation most people i hear talking about this in my life say murder is bad and they feel bad for his kids but no one and i mean no one is defending the insurance industry and everyone is saying they totally understand why someone would want to take this guys life and that is pretty scary to me to be honest take that to the bank brohans

I think it's kind of normal to think that way, if it was a family member that died because of denial of service due to health insurance then I too would think that way. Now, I wouldn't act on it because i'm not off my rocker but I would definitely be thinking like that.

i totally understand what you are saying what i think is most scary to me is that someone did act on it and with the planning and forethought that clearly went into this that person is not what i would call completely off thier rocker and when people who are just ordinary citizens start viewing asassination as the only viable solution we have big big big problems take that to the bank brochacho

 

[SWC]

what are some options of how this went down i guess 1 it could be a professional hit 2 it could be a disgruntled relative etc 3 it could be a disgruntled former employee 4 it could be an activist from outside who is just politically motivated 5 it could be an adversary foriegn government just sewing chaos or 6 it could be mobbed up and he owed money or something else to the wrong people what other options can you brohans come up with take that to the bank bromigos

 

[Sammy3469]

Just occurred to me, re the e-bike... If it was actually a Citibike (shared) then it would have needed to have been docked to charge before he took it... So stealing those is unlikely and goes back to someone needing to rent it with a credit card.

Article on ABC News site saying there's footage of him carrying an e bike battery near the hostel before the shooting, which implies it's not a Citibike. Fwiw. Also says footage of him exiting the park on the upper west side after the shooting.

85th Street which seems like a little bit of a weird place to come out given where he came in. You'd basically have to ride foot paths or the drive the wrong way on one of the roads. 72nd and 79th are much more natural places using Terrace to get west.

It's an entrance/exit. I agree that 79th makes more sense, but you think he's going to care too much about riding the "right" direction, if at least for a little (assuming he entered on 6th and rise up the east side to the 79th St transverse)?

just murdered someone. better make sure i follow all the rules on my getaway attempt.

There's nothing that pisses a NYC pedestrian (or other bike rider) off more than an e-bike rider going the wrong way (and god forbid in Central Park in the morning when folks are going fast...West Drive is a long fast downhill from 82nd to 72nd so anyone going the wrong way there pisses people off) .

More than anything, it would just call attention to himself and is probably why he bailed on going up West Drive from the 77th St exit to 85th St exit. The whole 85th St thing makes me think its somehow important in the escape. It's a weird Street to go cross town on an bike/e-bike if you are trying ultimately trying to go north (if you were trying to go north on the westside from where he entered CP, you'd take 72nd, 96th, 106th, or 110th and go up Riverside/bike path on the river).

 

[Dr. Octopus]

just an observation most people i hear talking about this in my life say murder is bad and they feel bad for his kids but no one and i mean no one is defending the insurance industry and everyone is saying they totally understand why someone would want to take this guys life and that is pretty scary to me to be honest take that to the bank brohans

I think when people say they can "understand" the motive, I don't think they are saying it's justified.

If an insurance company denies a procedure (for the sake of increasing its profits) and that in essence kills your mother, wife, son, aunt...., you may be sent into a rage and want to harm someone that you think is responsible. Obviously, a rational mind should prevail and one should find another outlet for dealing with the grief and seeking other more acceptable methods to get some revenge/satisfaction like going to the news media or bringing a lawsuit.

 

[Mister CIA]

Feel like an NYC corn hole is needed, where we can come together and solve this mystery.

 

[massraider]

Just occurred to me, re the e-bike... If it was actually a Citibike (shared) then it would have needed to have been docked to charge before he took it... So stealing those is unlikely and goes back to someone needing to rent it with a credit card.

Article on ABC News site saying there's footage of him carrying an e bike battery near the hostel before the shooting, which implies it's not a Citibike. Fwiw. Also says footage of him exiting the park on the upper west side after the shooting.

85th Street which seems like a little bit of a weird place to come out given where he came in. You'd basically have to ride foot paths or the drive the wrong way on one of the roads. 72nd and 79th are much more natural places using Terrace to get west.

It's an entrance/exit. I agree that 79th makes more sense, but you think he's going to care too much about riding the "right" direction, if at least for a little (assuming he entered on 6th and rise up the east side to the 79th St transverse)?

just murdered someone. better make sure i follow all the rules on my getaway attempt.

There's nothing that pisses a NYC pedestrian (or other bike rider) off more than an e-bike rider going the wrong way (and god forbid in Central Park in the morning when folks are going fast...West Drive is a long fast downhill from 82nd to 72nd so anyone going the wrong way there pisses people off) .

More than anything, it would just call attention to himself and is probably why he bailed on going up West Drive from the 77th St exit to 85th St exit. The whole 85th St thing makes me think its somehow important in the escape. It's a weird Street to go cross town on an bike/e-bike if you are trying ultimately trying to go north (if you were trying to go north on the westside from where he entered CP, you'd take 72nd, 96th, 106th, or 110th and go up Riverside/bike path on the river).

Good advice:

Don't break two laws at the same time.

If your car isn't registered, don't speed.
If you're the Son of Sam, don't get a parking ticket.

 

[mr. furley]

just an observation most people i hear talking about this in my life say murder is bad and they feel bad for his kids but no one and i mean no one is defending the insurance industry and everyone is saying they totally understand why someone would want to take this guys life and that is pretty scary to me to be honest take that to the bank brohans

I think when people say they can "understand" the motive, I don't think they are saying it's justified.

If an insurance company denies a procedure (for the sake of increasing its profits) and that in essence kills your mother, wife, son, aunt...., you may be sent into a rage and want to harm someone that you think is responsible. Obviously, a rational mind should prevail and one should find another outlet for dealing with the grief and seeking other more acceptable methods to get some revenge/satisfaction like going to the news media or bringing a lawsuit.

Chris Rock covers this in Bring the Pain

 

[El Floppo]

Just occurred to me, re the e-bike... If it was actually a Citibike (shared) then it would have needed to have been docked to charge before he took it... So stealing those is unlikely and goes back to someone needing to rent it with a credit card.

Article on ABC News site saying there's footage of him carrying an e bike battery near the hostel before the shooting, which implies it's not a Citibike. Fwiw. Also says footage of him exiting the park on the upper west side after the shooting.

85th Street which seems like a little bit of a weird place to come out given where he came in. You'd basically have to ride foot paths or the drive the wrong way on one of the roads. 72nd and 79th are much more natural places using Terrace to get west.

It's an entrance/exit. I agree that 79th makes more sense, but you think he's going to care too much about riding the "right" direction, if at least for a little (assuming he entered on 6th and rise up the east side to the 79th St transverse)?

just murdered someone. better make sure i follow all the rules on my getaway attempt.

There's nothing that pisses a NYC pedestrian (or other bike rider) off more than an e-bike rider going the wrong way (and god forbid in Central Park in the morning when folks are going fast...West Drive is a long fast downhill from 82nd to 72nd so anyone going the wrong way there pisses people off) .

More than anything, it would just call attention to himself and is probably why he bailed on going up West Drive from the 77th St exit to 85th St exit. The whole 85th St thing makes me think its somehow important in the escape. It's a weird Street to go cross town on an bike/e-bike if you are trying ultimately trying to go north (if you were trying to go north on the westside from where he entered CP, you'd take 72nd, 96th, 106th, or 110th and go up Riverside/bike path on the river).

Yeah.. Having done way too many miles in CP on foot and bike, I agree. But I also am used to seeing people going the wrong way fairly often too. And if he's not local, I'd imagine that's not what he'd be focused on as he made his escape.

A thought... The image of him exiting the subway at the 57th St F stop before the murder- there's no connection there, and certainly none from the UWS. Where was he coming from?

 

[tri-man 47]

what are some options of how this went down i guess 1 it could be a professional hit 2 it could be a disgruntled relative etc 3 it could be a disgruntled former employee 4 it could be an activist from outside who is just politically motivated 5 it could be an adversary foriegn government just sewing chaos or 6 it could be mobbed up and he owed money or something else to the wrong people what other options can you brohans come up with take that to the bank bromigos

You've pretty much narrowed it down.

 

[El Floppo]

So the news in now covering the coverage of the news, with hot take vitriol one way or the other. In other words, back to normal.

After that flurry of info yesterday, it's gotten awfully quiet today. This guy has gone to ground, and I have a feeling other than if/when the police release his identity, we won't be hearing much actual info until they catch him. Hopefully soon.

 

[Scoresman]

At this point if he's a pro, they aren't catching him, right?

Only hope now is that he's not a pro and he's hiding in a friend's basement or something.

 

[Sammy3469]

Just occurred to me, re the e-bike... If it was actually a Citibike (shared) then it would have needed to have been docked to charge before he took it... So stealing those is unlikely and goes back to someone needing to rent it with a credit card.

Article on ABC News site saying there's footage of him carrying an e bike battery near the hostel before the shooting, which implies it's not a Citibike. Fwiw. Also says footage of him exiting the park on the upper west side after the shooting.

85th Street which seems like a little bit of a weird place to come out given where he came in. You'd basically have to ride foot paths or the drive the wrong way on one of the roads. 72nd and 79th are much more natural places using Terrace to get west.

It's an entrance/exit. I agree that 79th makes more sense, but you think he's going to care too much about riding the "right" direction, if at least for a little (assuming he entered on 6th and rise up the east side to the 79th St transverse)?

just murdered someone. better make sure i follow all the rules on my getaway attempt.

There's nothing that pisses a NYC pedestrian (or other bike rider) off more than an e-bike rider going the wrong way (and god forbid in Central Park in the morning when folks are going fast...West Drive is a long fast downhill from 82nd to 72nd so anyone going the wrong way there pisses people off) .

More than anything, it would just call attention to himself and is probably why he bailed on going up West Drive from the 77th St exit to 85th St exit. The whole 85th St thing makes me think its somehow important in the escape. It's a weird Street to go cross town on an bike/e-bike if you are trying ultimately trying to go north (if you were trying to go north on the westside from where he entered CP, you'd take 72nd, 96th, 106th, or 110th and go up Riverside/bike path on the river).

Yeah.. Having done way too many miles in CP on foot and bike, I agree. But I also am used to seeing people going the wrong way fairly often too. And if he's not local, I'd imagine that's not what he'd be focused on as he made his escape.

A thought... The image of him exiting the subway at the 57th St F stop before the murder- there's no connection there, and certainly none from the UWS. Where was he coming from?

I also don't know how many of these photos are actually him. The backpack in the subway photo doesn't look like the same one in the shooting to me.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Feel like an NYC corn hole is needed, where we can come together and solve this mystery.

You could meet up at the Arconia on W 86th. And invite Steve Martin Selena Gomez.

 

[Nick Vermeil]

Just occurred to me, re the e-bike... If it was actually a Citibike (shared) then it would have needed to have been docked to charge before he took it... So stealing those is unlikely and goes back to someone needing to rent it with a credit card.

Article on ABC News site saying there's footage of him carrying an e bike battery near the hostel before the shooting, which implies it's not a Citibike. Fwiw. Also says footage of him exiting the park on the upper west side after the shooting.

85th Street which seems like a little bit of a weird place to come out given where he came in. You'd basically have to ride foot paths or the drive the wrong way on one of the roads. 72nd and 79th are much more natural places using Terrace to get west.

It's an entrance/exit. I agree that 79th makes more sense, but you think he's going to care too much about riding the "right" direction, if at least for a little (assuming he entered on 6th and rise up the east side to the 79th St transverse)?

just murdered someone. better make sure i follow all the rules on my getaway attempt.

There's nothing that pisses a NYC pedestrian (or other bike rider) off more than an e-bike rider going the wrong way (and god forbid in Central Park in the morning when folks are going fast...West Drive is a long fast downhill from 82nd to 72nd so anyone going the wrong way there pisses people off) .

More than anything, it would just call attention to himself and is probably why he bailed on going up West Drive from the 77th St exit to 85th St exit. The whole 85th St thing makes me think its somehow important in the escape. It's a weird Street to go cross town on an bike/e-bike if you are trying ultimately trying to go north (if you were trying to go north on the westside from where he entered CP, you'd take 72nd, 96th, 106th, or 110th and go up Riverside/bike path on the river).

Yeah.. Having done way too many miles in CP on foot and bike, I agree. But I also am used to seeing people going the wrong way fairly often too. And if he's not local, I'd imagine that's not what he'd be focused on as he made his escape.

A thought... The image of him exiting the subway at the 57th St F stop before the murder- there's no connection there, and certainly none from the UWS. Where was he coming from?

Probably took the B down from hostel to Rockefeller and then switched to uptown F?

 

[Nick Vermeil]

Just occurred to me, re the e-bike... If it was actually a Citibike (shared) then it would have needed to have been docked to charge before he took it... So stealing those is unlikely and goes back to someone needing to rent it with a credit card.

Article on ABC News site saying there's footage of him carrying an e bike battery near the hostel before the shooting, which implies it's not a Citibike. Fwiw. Also says footage of him exiting the park on the upper west side after the shooting.

85th Street which seems like a little bit of a weird place to come out given where he came in. You'd basically have to ride foot paths or the drive the wrong way on one of the roads. 72nd and 79th are much more natural places using Terrace to get west.

It's an entrance/exit. I agree that 79th makes more sense, but you think he's going to care too much about riding the "right" direction, if at least for a little (assuming he entered on 6th and rise up the east side to the 79th St transverse)?

just murdered someone. better make sure i follow all the rules on my getaway attempt.

There's nothing that pisses a NYC pedestrian (or other bike rider) off more than an e-bike rider going the wrong way (and god forbid in Central Park in the morning when folks are going fast...West Drive is a long fast downhill from 82nd to 72nd so anyone going the wrong way there pisses people off) .

More than anything, it would just call attention to himself and is probably why he bailed on going up West Drive from the 77th St exit to 85th St exit. The whole 85th St thing makes me think its somehow important in the escape. It's a weird Street to go cross town on an bike/e-bike if you are trying ultimately trying to go north (if you were trying to go north on the westside from where he entered CP, you'd take 72nd, 96th, 106th, or 110th and go up Riverside/bike path on the river).

Yeah.. Having done way too many miles in CP on foot and bike, I agree. But I also am used to seeing people going the wrong way fairly often too. And if he's not local, I'd imagine that's not what he'd be focused on as he made his escape.

A thought... The image of him exiting the subway at the 57th St F stop before the murder- there's no connection there, and certainly none from the UWS. Where was he coming from?

Probably took the B down from hostel to Rockefeller and then switched to uptown F?

Or planted/picked up something downtown and then came up. Seems weird.

 

[El Floppo]

Just occurred to me, re the e-bike... If it was actually a Citibike (shared) then it would have needed to have been docked to charge before he took it... So stealing those is unlikely and goes back to someone needing to rent it with a credit card.

Article on ABC News site saying there's footage of him carrying an e bike battery near the hostel before the shooting, which implies it's not a Citibike. Fwiw. Also says footage of him exiting the park on the upper west side after the shooting.

85th Street which seems like a little bit of a weird place to come out given where he came in. You'd basically have to ride foot paths or the drive the wrong way on one of the roads. 72nd and 79th are much more natural places using Terrace to get west.

It's an entrance/exit. I agree that 79th makes more sense, but you think he's going to care too much about riding the "right" direction, if at least for a little (assuming he entered on 6th and rise up the east side to the 79th St transverse)?

just murdered someone. better make sure i follow all the rules on my getaway attempt.

There's nothing that pisses a NYC pedestrian (or other bike rider) off more than an e-bike rider going the wrong way (and god forbid in Central Park in the morning when folks are going fast...West Drive is a long fast downhill from 82nd to 72nd so anyone going the wrong way there pisses people off) .

More than anything, it would just call attention to himself and is probably why he bailed on going up West Drive from the 77th St exit to 85th St exit. The whole 85th St thing makes me think its somehow important in the escape. It's a weird Street to go cross town on an bike/e-bike if you are trying ultimately trying to go north (if you were trying to go north on the westside from where he entered CP, you'd take 72nd, 96th, 106th, or 110th and go up Riverside/bike path on the river).

Yeah.. Having done way too many miles in CP on foot and bike, I agree. But I also am used to seeing people going the wrong way fairly often too. And if he's not local, I'd imagine that's not what he'd be focused on as he made his escape.

A thought... The image of him exiting the subway at the 57th St F stop before the murder- there's no connection there, and certainly none from the UWS. Where was he coming from?

Probably took the B down from hostel to Rockefeller and then switched to uptown F?

Only thing that makes sense.

 

[El Floppo]

Just occurred to me, re the e-bike... If it was actually a Citibike (shared) then it would have needed to have been docked to charge before he took it... So stealing those is unlikely and goes back to someone needing to rent it with a credit card.

Article on ABC News site saying there's footage of him carrying an e bike battery near the hostel before the shooting, which implies it's not a Citibike. Fwiw. Also says footage of him exiting the park on the upper west side after the shooting.

85th Street which seems like a little bit of a weird place to come out given where he came in. You'd basically have to ride foot paths or the drive the wrong way on one of the roads. 72nd and 79th are much more natural places using Terrace to get west.

It's an entrance/exit. I agree that 79th makes more sense, but you think he's going to care too much about riding the "right" direction, if at least for a little (assuming he entered on 6th and rise up the east side to the 79th St transverse)?

just murdered someone. better make sure i follow all the rules on my getaway attempt.

There's nothing that pisses a NYC pedestrian (or other bike rider) off more than an e-bike rider going the wrong way (and god forbid in Central Park in the morning when folks are going fast...West Drive is a long fast downhill from 82nd to 72nd so anyone going the wrong way there pisses people off) .

More than anything, it would just call attention to himself and is probably why he bailed on going up West Drive from the 77th St exit to 85th St exit. The whole 85th St thing makes me think its somehow important in the escape. It's a weird Street to go cross town on an bike/e-bike if you are trying ultimately trying to go north (if you were trying to go north on the westside from where he entered CP, you'd take 72nd, 96th, 106th, or 110th and go up Riverside/bike path on the river).

Yeah.. Having done way too many miles in CP on foot and bike, I agree. But I also am used to seeing people going the wrong way fairly often too. And if he's not local, I'd imagine that's not what he'd be focused on as he made his escape.

A thought... The image of him exiting the subway at the 57th St F stop before the murder- there's no connection there, and certainly none from the UWS. Where was he coming from?

Probably took the B down from hostel to Rockefeller and then switched to uptown F?

Or planted/picked up something downtown and then came up. Seems weird.

Yeah. The mix of a planted ebike and subway is something I'm trying to wrap my brain around, in terms of travel logistics.

 

[Chemical X]

Feel like an NYC corn hole is needed, where we can come together and solve this mystery.

get a stoner van and talking dog and i’m in!

 

[El Floppo]

Feel like an NYC corn hole is needed, where we can come together and solve this mystery.

get a stoner van and talking dog and i’m in!

The Mystery Machine is parked across the street from my pad .. no joke.

 

[fatness]

There were also recent reports that this CEO was responsible for an AI algorithm that was essentially set up to automatically deny claims, even if the provider said they were supposed to be insured.

Yeah, that claim is part of a lawsuit that is still bogged down in court due to requests dismiss and requests to delay discovery: https://litigationtracker.law.georg...ken-the-et-al-v-unitedhealth-group-inc-et-al/
It's not claimed that United Health Care invented the AI program, just that they used it to try to shield the company from liability.

The details of what United Health Care is accused of doing are spelled out in the original complaint in that lawsuit: https://litigationtracker.law.georg...f-Gene-B.-Lokken-et-al_20231114_COMPLAINT.pdf
Just read the first 5 pages to get the gist of the complaint.

The AI program used supposedly denied 90% of all claims: https://www.statnews.com/2023/11/14/unitedhealth-class-action-lawsuit-algorithm-medicare-advantage/

I don't think it was that it denied 90% of claims per se, but that it had a 90% error rate and they used it anyway.

You're right. Thanks for the correction.

 

[beer 30]

At this point if he's a pro, they aren't catching him, right?

Only hope now is that he's not a pro and he's hiding in a friend's basement or something.

Kinda seems like he's a hybrid.

I was thinking he was some John Wick savant until he started batting eyes at the hotel clerk. Made me lose some confidence in his ability to slip away into the night. That said, given it was NYC, seems like he had a pretty good plan in place for getting out of the city. I'd guess he is at least a few states away by now. I wouldn't think he would be using public transportation since it's all monitored. If he had a vehicle stashed similar to the ebike, he could just be cruising. I'd think he has a destination in mind and a route. If he keeps his **** in his pants, he might be in the wind for a while.

 

[fatness]

Good place to check for frequent updates on the story: https://apnews.com/live/unitedhealthcare-ceo-brian-thompson-updates-day-3

Nothing earthshaking today so far.
- Police are trying to get fingerprints and DNA samples from a discarded bottle.
- Getting surveillance video from subway
- Multiple health insurance companies taking precautions to protect employees --- making live meetings virtual instead, having employees work from home instead of in the office, taking down pictures and names of employees from company websites, hiring more security.

 

[fatness]

There was a security detail assigned to Thompson during his trip to New York, but security wasn’t with him when he was fatally shot Wednesday, CNN reported Thursday, according to a source they said was familiar with the company’s security. It wasn’t known why.

https://www.twincities.com/2024/12/...edhealthcare-ceo-highlights-risks-in-industry

 

[El Floppo]

I'm not seeing that krista