NYC assassination news thread - Please no politics (2 Viewers)

[Mitchie]

Definitely looks like the right guy and based on some of the internet sleuthing I’ve read it fits even more.

Seems like an extremely intelligent guy who could have really done some positive things for this world. I’m curious to hear more about his motives.

The guy was a valedictorian, but has the common sense of my garage door opener. Just because you can regurgitate stuff you read in a book doesn’t make you intelligent.

Something a few of us should think about.

He has a Masters degree in Computer Science from the University of Penn, this dude is incredibly smart, he still may not have common sense though.

 

[belljr]

The guess is it was a homemade/make at home weapon.

The article on the WaPo said it was a ghost gun.

What’s that ?

3d printed gun that is untraceable or a gun put together from spare type parts also untraceable

I’m so behind the times and have trouble comprehending people making guns that work on 3D printers. Unreal.

A ghost gun is not necessarily a 3-D printed gun. By definition, it’s a gun that wasn’t created by a gun manufacturer. It doesn’t have a serial number.

Building a gun with parts there were made by a 3-d printer is pretty much exactly how you put together any other gun made with normal parts.

What part of or a gun made from parts wasn't clear

The part about putting a gun together with spare parts being a ghost gun.

The receiver is not stamped with a serial number. The parts, how and where they’re made doesn’t matter.

So if I machine my own receiver and use spare parts ..... They have entire groups that show you how to make your own

And I was just messing with you

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

The guess is it was a homemade/make at home weapon.

The article on the WaPo said it was a ghost gun.

What’s that ?

3d printed gun that is untraceable or a gun put together from spare type parts also untraceable

I’m so behind the times and have trouble comprehending people making guns that work on 3D printers. Unreal.

A ghost gun is not necessarily a 3-D printed gun. By definition, it’s a gun that wasn’t created by a gun manufacturer. It doesn’t have a serial number.

Building a gun with parts there were made by a 3-d printer is pretty much exactly how you put together any other gun made with normal parts.

What part of or a gun made from parts wasn't clear

The part about putting a gun together with spare parts being a ghost gun.

The receiver is not stamped with a serial number. The parts, how and where they’re made doesn’t matter.

So if I machine my own receiver and use spare parts ..... They have entire groups that show you how to make your own

And I was just messing with you

I know you are!

I was initially just going to say it’s not important and we’re arguing over nothing except I’m the one who brought it up.

 

[3C's]

Definitely looks like the right guy and based on some of the internet sleuthing I’ve read it fits even more.

Seems like an extremely intelligent guy who could have really done some positive things for this world. I’m curious to hear more about his motives.

The guy was a valedictorian, but has the common sense of my garage door opener. Just because you can regurgitate stuff you read in a book doesn’t make you intelligent.

Something a few of us should think about.

He has a Masters degree in Computer Science from the University of Penn, this dude is incredibly smart, he still may not have common sense though.

Right, arguing that he's not smart or only has rote memorization skills is way off base. There were enough bread crumbs to catch him and he knew it was only a matter of time. Highly likely that he hasn't slept much since the killing and he was done.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Definitely looks like the right guy and based on some of the internet sleuthing I’ve read it fits even more.

Seems like an extremely intelligent guy who could have really done some positive things for this world. I’m curious to hear more about his motives.

The guy was a valedictorian, but has the common sense of my garage door opener. Just because you can regurgitate stuff you read in a book doesn’t make you intelligent.

Something a few of us should think about.

He has a Masters degree in Computer Science from the University of Penn, this dude is incredibly smart, he still may not have common sense though.

Right, arguing that he's not smart or only has rote memorization skills is way off base. There were enough bread crumbs to catch him and he knew it was only a matter of time. Highly likely that he hasn't slept much since the killing and he was done.

He was still carrying the breadcrumbs with him. Hes a dope.

 

[Terminalxylem]

Definitely looks like the right guy and based on some of the internet sleuthing I’ve read it fits even more.

Seems like an extremely intelligent guy who could have really done some positive things for this world. I’m curious to hear more about his motives.

The guy was a valedictorian, but has the common sense of my garage door opener. Just because you can regurgitate stuff you read in a book doesn’t make you intelligent.

Something a few of us should think about.

Academic achievement has consistently been linked to intelligence. This kid is no dummy.

That said, I’m married to a valedictorian who can get lost in a parking deck. Very intelligent people can lack common sense, and do stupid things.

 

[Major]

Definitely looks like the right guy and based on some of the internet sleuthing I’ve read it fits even more.

Seems like an extremely intelligent guy who could have really done some positive things for this world. I’m curious to hear more about his motives.

The guy was a valedictorian, but has the common sense of my garage door opener. Just because you can regurgitate stuff you read in a book doesn’t make you intelligent.

Something a few of us should think about.

He has a Masters degree in Computer Science from the University of Penn, this dude is incredibly smart, he still may not have common sense though.

Right, arguing that he's not smart or only has rote memorization skills is way off base. There were enough bread crumbs to catch him and he knew it was only a matter of time. Highly likely that he hasn't slept much since the killing and he was done.

That's what I'm thinking as well. Doesn't seem like this guy had unlimited resources and was probably slumming it. Add that to exhaustion and not being a hardened criminal leads me to believe he had enough.

 

[Balco]

I don't have any special knowledge or experience with this but expect NY will want to keep this in their courts, which probably means a plea and something like 20 years in prison.

I gotta think that the press this case is getting, NYC throws a ton of weight behind it and no chance thy settle on a plea.

There will absolutely be an offer.

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

Definitely looks like the right guy and based on some of the internet sleuthing I’ve read it fits even more.

Seems like an extremely intelligent guy who could have really done some positive things for this world. I’m curious to hear more about his motives.

The guy was a valedictorian, but has the common sense of my garage door opener. Just because you can regurgitate stuff you read in a book doesn’t make you intelligent.

Something a few of us should think about.

Academic achievement has consistently been linked to intelligence. This kid is no dummy.

That said, I’m married to a valedictorian who can get lost in a parking deck. Very intelligent people can lack common sense, and do stupid things.

Navigation skills are not related to intelligence. It's basically akin to being dyslexic.

 

[Terminalxylem]

Definitely looks like the right guy and based on some of the internet sleuthing I’ve read it fits even more.

Seems like an extremely intelligent guy who could have really done some positive things for this world. I’m curious to hear more about his motives.

The guy was a valedictorian, but has the common sense of my garage door opener. Just because you can regurgitate stuff you read in a book doesn’t make you intelligent.

Something a few of us should think about.

Academic achievement has consistently been linked to intelligence. This kid is no dummy.

That said, I’m married to a valedictorian who can get lost in a parking deck. Very intelligent people can lack common sense, and do stupid things.

Navigation skills are not related to intelligence. It's basically akin to being dyslexic.

Spatial awareness has been argued to be a type of intelligence. Regardless, it’s just one of many things she does which belies her smarts.

 

[Terminalxylem]

He climbs at my gym!

 

[rockaction]

He was still carrying the breadcrumbs with him. Hes a dope.

Going to a nice high school and a UPenn master’s doesn’t make one intelligent necessarily. Have you seen the morons they’re churning out of the Ivy League these days?

Queers for Palestine. Actual jihadists were sending them messages telling them they would be executed if the cause they were arguing for was ever adopted. “No,” said one jihadist. “We might let you live if that was in your past. Your past.”

The phrase "Ivy League morons" is not an oxymoron.

 

[dutch]

He was still carrying the breadcrumbs with him. Hes a dope.

Going to a nice high school and a UPenn master’s doesn’t make one intelligent necessarily. Have you seen the morons they’re churning out of the Ivy League these days?

Queers for Palestine. Actual jihadists were sending them messages telling them they would be executed if the cause they were arguing for was ever adopted. “No,” said one jihadist. “We might let you live if that was in your past. Your past.”

Ivy League morons is not an oxymoron.

UPenn is an incubator for US Presidents, however

 

[rockaction]

UPenn is an incubator for US Presidents, however

I thought that was Yale, Harvard, and Princeton.

Oh, I just looked up who went there. Oooooof.

 

[dickey moe]

His abs look like they were painted on. Dude's pretty ripped for all that McDonald's he eats.

 

[the moops]

I don't have any special knowledge or experience with this but expect NY will want to keep this in their courts, which probably means a plea and something like 20 years in prison.

I gotta think that the press this case is getting, NYC throws a ton of weight behind it and no chance thy settle on a plea.

There will absolutely be an offer.

I know nothing of high profile murder cases so I may relent here and agree. Just seems like there will be way more than enough evidence and push to convict this guy

 

[culdeus]

The guess is it was a homemade/make at home weapon.

The article on the WaPo said it was a ghost gun.

What’s that ?

3d printed gun that is untraceable or a gun put together from spare type parts also untraceable

I’m so behind the times and have trouble comprehending people making guns that work on 3D printers. Unreal.

A ghost gun is not necessarily a 3-D printed gun. By definition, it’s a gun that wasn’t created by a gun manufacturer. It doesn’t have a serial number.

Building a gun with parts there were made by a 3-d printer is pretty much exactly how you put together any other gun made with normal parts.

What part of or a gun made from parts wasn't clear

The part about putting a gun together with spare parts being a ghost gun.

The receiver is not stamped with a serial number. The parts, how and where they’re made doesn’t matter.

So if I machine my own receiver and use spare parts ..... They have entire groups that show you how to make your own

And I was just messing with you

@fbi

 

[Sammy3469]

The CNN story makes it sound like he’s been dealing with long term Lyme disease symptoms (brain fog) and then a pretty knarly back surgery at some point in the past year after a surfing accident. I wonder if he was hopped up on drugs.

 

[El Floppo]

He's been officially charged with the murder.

 

[rockaction]

You’ll note that unlike many others I was able to shut up through the first and second thread entirely and for the duration of the manhunt.

 

[fatness]

Luigi Mangione's timeline, mostly highlighting things we've talked about here: https://abcnews.go.com/US/unitedhea...uspects-movements-timeline/story?id=116504579

 

[rockaction]

What this topic is about, to everyone but one:

I'm hoping this can be just about the actual active murder mystery and pursuit of the bad guy.

Joe and mods, please feel free to clip any funny business.

Thought an arrest might mean this was pretty much over. You want to save this thread for proceduralisms and the machinations of justice, I see. To me, this thing/event is done. It may not be for some people, so I will say this.

To the OP and those genuinely interested in the wrapping up phase of this and not because they’re being ghoulish mod cops or substantively offended (which, I suspect, has plenty of overlap—I know it does in your case) I’ll apologize for the diversion.

But not to you and the other mod cop clowns. You can all do the anatomically impossible. Stuff relevant to the topic that isn’t necessarily on-topic goes on all the time here. Stop being jackboots and worrying about what I’ve said or the offense I’ve caused when you read it. Tough it out, grasshoppers.

You start a political thread in the SP again and you can bet I’ll be giving you the same grace you’ve given me. Yours is not about comity or respect. It’s about bending wills and iron fists in not-so-velvety gloves. Good day.

 

[Mrs. Rannous]

Definitely looks like the right guy and based on some of the internet sleuthing I’ve read it fits even more.

Seems like an extremely intelligent guy who could have really done some positive things for this world. I’m curious to hear more about his motives.

The guy was a valedictorian, but has the common sense of my garage door opener. Just because you can regurgitate stuff you read in a book doesn’t make you intelligent.

Something a few of us should think about.

Academic achievement has consistently been linked to intelligence. This kid is no dummy.

That said, I’m married to a valedictorian who can get lost in a parking deck. Very intelligent people can lack common sense, and do stupid things.

Navigation skills are not related to intelligence. It's basically akin to being dyslexic.

Spatial awareness has been argued to be a type of intelligence. Regardless, it’s just one of many things she does which belies her smarts.

Spatial awareness and navigation skills are two different things.

 

[rockaction]

This is a bad look, Rock

I wrote a longer post and deleted it, but then thought better and figured I should have left it here.

So I’ll just say that the worse look is like when fatness posts wildly political posts and starts topics in the SP that are overtly off-topic. A bad look is when you have people either justifying or claiming to understand people’s callous reaction to the murder. There were people doing that in the other thread. That’s rich, and is not a surprise.

There have been much more off-topic and off-color (and off-kilter) digressions on this board and I can’t help but think the people most offended by my straying outside the coloring book lines are those that disagree substantively with what I’m saying, which makes me almost completely unsympathetic to their claims and hollering.

So I’ll wrap up like I wrapped up before. I’ve not worried about things of much greater importance to me than going (barely) off-topic on a message board. Those that saw fit to comment or to make a stink about it have lost esteem in my eyes, forget about their esteem of me.

Peace.

 

[Terminalxylem]

Definitely looks like the right guy and based on some of the internet sleuthing I’ve read it fits even more.

Seems like an extremely intelligent guy who could have really done some positive things for this world. I’m curious to hear more about his motives.

The guy was a valedictorian, but has the common sense of my garage door opener. Just because you can regurgitate stuff you read in a book doesn’t make you intelligent.

Something a few of us should think about.

Academic achievement has consistently been linked to intelligence. This kid is no dummy.

That said, I’m married to a valedictorian who can get lost in a parking deck. Very intelligent people can lack common sense, and do stupid things.

Navigation skills are not related to intelligence. It's basically akin to being dyslexic.

Spatial awareness has been argued to be a type of intelligence. Regardless, it’s just one of many things she does which belies her smarts.

Spatial awareness and navigation skills are two different things.

Intimately related. Anyway, my point was, smart people can do stupid things.

 

[Terminalxylem]

The CNN story makes it sound like he’s been dealing with long term Lyme disease symptoms (brain fog) and then a pretty knarly back surgery at some point in the past year after a surfing accident. I wonder if he was hopped up on drugs.

Many far-fetched symptoms have been blamed on chronic Lyme, but premeditated murder isn’t one of them.

 

[Chemical X]

i am always curious about crimes like this….does the person, in today’s day and age, really think they can get away with it? this isn’t a stupid guy, but do you think you won’t spend your whole life in prison?

 

[Major]

i am always curious about crimes like this….does the person, in today’s day and age, really think they can get away with it? this isn’t a stupid guy, but do you think you won’t spend your whole life in prison?

You can still get away with it.. Just have to make sure the person isn't a CEO and/or high profile. If this happened to a random pedestrian in Brownsville or East NY probably not the same urgency or manhunt.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

A bad look is when you have people either justifying or claiming to understand people’s callous reaction to the murder

You’re unable to understand motivations that you don’t necessarily agree with?

Murder is almost always the wrong path but sometimes you can understand why someone could be pushed to that brink - in fact there are all sorts of mitigating factors within the law based on that (i.e. “crime of passion”).

 

[rockaction]

A bad look is when you have people either justifying or claiming to understand people’s callous reaction to the murder

You’re unable to understand motivations that you don’t necessarily agree with?

Who said that? I can understand people whose motivations I disagree with. How did that get into it? Maybe it’s because I mean “understand” as in “to somewhat empathize with” in the sentence above.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

A bad look is when you have people either justifying or claiming to understand people’s callous reaction to the murder

You’re unable to understand motivations that you don’t necessarily agree with?

Who said that? I can understand people whose motivations I disagree with. How did that get into it? Maybe it’s because I mean “understand” as in “to somewhat empathize with” in the sentence above.

It’s literally in the part I quoted - but I’m ending this with you. I doubt this will go in a good direction.

I still like you.

 

[rockaction]

A bad look is when you have people either justifying or claiming to understand people’s callous reaction to the murder

You’re unable to understand motivations that you don’t necessarily agree with?

Who said that? I can understand people whose motivations I disagree with. How did that get into it? Maybe it’s because I mean “understand” as in “to somewhat empathize with” in the sentence above.

It’s literally in the part I quoted - but I’m ending this with you. I doubt this will go in a good direction.

I still like you.

Right. Work with me. I said, “claiming to understand people’s callous reaction to the murder,” which means that it is a bad look when people somewhat empathize with the callous reactions to the murder. When I say “understand,” I mean to “somewhat empathize with.” “Understand” was probably not the best word to use, but also not wholly inaccurate.

I still stand by that. I did not mean that I can’t understand how people can understand his motive in the pure meaning of “understand.”

 

[Dr. Octopus]

A bad look is when you have people either justifying or claiming to understand people’s callous reaction to the murder

You’re unable to understand motivations that you don’t necessarily agree with?

Who said that? I can understand people whose motivations I disagree with. How did that get into it? Maybe it’s because I mean “understand” as in “to somewhat empathize with” in the sentence above.

It’s literally in the part I quoted - but I’m ending this with you. I doubt this will go in a good direction.

I still like you.

Right. Work with me. I said, “claiming to understand people’s callous reaction to the murder,” which means that it is a bad look when people somewhat empathize with the callous reactions to the murder. When I say “understand,” I mean to “somewhat empathize with.” “Understand” was probably not the best word to use, but also not wholly inaccurate.

I still stand by that. I did not mean that I can’t understand how people can understand his motive in the pure meaning of “understand.”

I understand your point and it’s still wrong. People can empathize and still not think something is justified.

I mentioned mitigating factors in my first response to you as an example of this codified into law.

I think you just have some beef with a board member and didn’t really think this through - and I’m really out of this conversation now (it doesn’t belong here) but of course you can respond if you like.

 

[Sparky Polastri]

what is the difference between a manifesto and a diatribe?

One is a philosophical position and/or vision of something. The other is just pissing and moaning and complaining about something. Typically

 

[rockaction]

I understand your point and it’s still wrong.

You’re right to handle it this way. I’m done with this conversation also.

eta* I still like you, too.

 

[GoBirds]

A bad look is when you have people either justifying or claiming to understand people’s callous reaction to the murder

You’re unable to understand motivations that you don’t necessarily agree with?

Who said that? I can understand people whose motivations I disagree with. How did that get into it? Maybe it’s because I mean “understand” as in “to somewhat empathize with” in the sentence above.

It’s literally in the part I quoted - but I’m ending this with you. I doubt this will go in a good direction.

I still like you.

Right. Work with me. I said, “claiming to understand people’s callous reaction to the murder,” which means that it is a bad look when people somewhat empathize with the callous reactions to the murder. When I say “understand,” I mean to “somewhat empathize with.” “Understand” was probably not the best word to use, but also not wholly inaccurate.

I still stand by that. I did not mean that I can’t understand how people can understand his motive in the pure meaning of “understand.”

You aren’t wrong on that point in my opinion.

 

[Sparky Polastri]

Will he face federal charges? Could he be looking at life in Supermax?

Why federal? Not saying no, because I have no idea... just curious.

I was assuming NY state murder and associated things like the gun.

unregistered weapon?

carrying loaded weapon across state lines with no reciprocity?

just spitballing

ghost guns don't fall in that category. They are a loophole. The legal part of this will be interesting for sure.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I agree with Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro on this:

Gov. Shapiro praises McDonald’s tipster, condemns those who see suspect in CEO killing as ‘hero’

Shapiro said that Luigi Mangione had traveled between Philadelphia, Pittsburgh and other areas in the state prior to his arrest in Altoona.

www.pennlive.com

Shapiro also took a moment to condemn some of the online support the killing has received from people who feel that insurance companies place shareholder profits and executive suite pay above their customers’ medical needs and lives.

“In America, we do not kill people in cold blood to resolve policy differences or express a viewpoint,” he said. “I understand people have real frustration with our healthcare system. I have worked to address that throughout my career. But I have no tolerance, nor should anyone, for one man using an illegal ghost gun to murder someone because he thinks his opinion matters most. In a civil society, we are all less safe when idealogues engage in vigilante justice.

“In some dark corners, this killer is being hailed as a hero. here me on this: He is no hero. The real hero in this story is the person who called 911 at McDonald’s this morning.

“Let’s be mindful not to dehumanize [Thomopson] and make him just an avatar of a system that is disliked by many. He was a father, he was a husband. He did not deserve to die like this on a sidewalk in New York City.”

When asked about the similarities between Thompson’s death and the attempted assassination of Donald Trump in Butler on July 13, Shapiro said, “Violence can never be used to address political differences or to address a substantive difference or to try to prove some sort of ideological point.”

“That is not what we do in a civilized society. That was true in Butler, it was true in New York City, and it is true anywhere. That is not how you make progress in this country,” he said.

“The suspect here ... is a coward, not a hero. And we need to make sure that in this country we get back to having a civil discourse about our differences. That is an important lesson coming out of Pennsylvania and it is one that I think the rest of the nation needs to hear.”

 

[Joe Bryant]

The comments Shapiro was addressing:

Reviewers slam Pa. McDonald’s after worker tip leads to arrest in CEO killing

Online reviews started piling up Monday after the arrest of Luigi Mangione in Altoona. "'Very large rat behind the counter,' one reviewer posted.

www.pennlive.com

Reviewers slam Pa. McDonald’s after worker tip leads to arrest in CEO killing​

Negative online reviews for McDonald’s restaurants in Altoona, Pa. started piling up Monday after an employee called police, leading to the arrest of a customer in connection with the killing of the UnitedHealthcare CEO.

Negative comments rolled in for at least five different McDonald’s locations listed in Altoona on the Yelp website.

One restaurant that normally received one Yelp review every month or two, received about 100 one-star reviews, the lowest ranking possible, on Monday. Many reviews featured outlandish stories or jokes with political commentary about the killing, which has sparked a nationwide discussion about health insurance companies denying claims.

“This fast food restaurant houses a traitor among its employees,” the first review posted Monday said. “The working class has betrayed humanity.”

Other reviews mentioned finding “rats,” a reference to someone who deserts one’s side or cause.

I would have hoped this was some sort of fringe thing. Not sure.

Either way, I think Governor Shapiro is right.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I would have hoped this was some sort of fringe thing. Not sure.

It is a fringe thing most likely.

The loudest voices on most social media comes from the fringes of both “sides”.

 

[El Floppo]

Now it becomes interesting to me- what happened to this kid. By all accounts that I've read, a "normal" kid without anything in his background to suggest what he did: privileged background, friends, socially active, physically active, intellectually active. Finishing a BA and MA in 4 years is no easy task.

Sounds like that HI shared living spot is the place that recommended the Kusyinski book as a lark, and from what they say the kid didn't have any extreme views about it or health care. I wonder if that journey started with a somewhat adventurous move into that HI spot? Not blaming them at all, but wondering if something in Luigi's life started pushing him away from "normal". Because he then went socially silent in the last months... What causes that and his terrible actions last week?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I would have hoped this was some sort of fringe thing. Not sure.

To further what I said before - we’re talking about a little more than 100 reviews slamming McDonalds per the article you shared.

I find in this day and age you read headlines like “Italian Americans outraged over Chris Pratt voicing Super Mario” and when you actually read the article it’s based on a handful of tweets made by people that may or may not be actual Italian Americans - and in any case don’t represent all Italian Americans.

Same here - as we’re looking at a few loonies that took time to slam a McDonalds employee for doing the right thing - and then try to extrapolate it as some phenomenon sweeping across the country - so that we have something to be outraged about as well - when it’s just a few fools posting from their parents basement.

 

[rockaction]

I would have hoped this was some sort of fringe thing. Not sure.

Either way, I think Governor Shapiro is right.

I think it is. You should have read what was in the weeds on Twitter when I was there briefly. But I always chalked it up to communists and foreign bots. There were large groups of Western communists that were constantly agitating for killing their enemies. I’m not making that up.

They’re supplemented and complemented by Russian and Chinese bots looking to sow discord in America. I was reading something where China and Russia have spent untold millions (maybe billions) to pay people to be on social media and say stuff like this while posing as Americans. They believe in dispiriting Americans and weakening our country this way. It’s an asymmetrical psychological operation. A psy-op, in short.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I would have hoped this was some sort of fringe thing. Not sure.

It is a fringe thing most likely.

The loudest voices on most social media comes from the fringes of both “sides”.

I hope so.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

I expect many people are waiting to hear his story, some beloved aunt or friend being wrongfully denied a necessary healthcare procedure leading to a slow and painful death laid at the feet of the insurer. What if no such story exists and this guy just views himself as the radical savior of society based on things he believes happened to others? His writings reportedly indicate he believes violence is the only answer and is the necessary path he had to take.

 

[zamboni]

Unfortunately, there is large swath of Gen Z that grew up with different ideologies and have significant mistrust for Corporate America in general. Obviously the big difference is that most are not taking such horrific actions like murdering a CEO because he happens to make a living by managing an organization whose policies they disagree with.

I'm sure we'll hear more as the stories unfold, but as Gov. Shapiro said, the bottom line is that a family was torn apart - a wife lost her husband, two kids lost their father, and a man will never get a chance to see his kids grow up.

 

[El Floppo]

I expect many people are waiting to hear his story, some beloved aunt or friend being wrongfully denied a necessary healthcare procedure leading to a slow and painful death laid at the feet of the insurer. What if no such story exists and this guy just views himself as the radical savior of society based on things he believes happened to others? His writings reportedly indicate he believes violence is the only answer and is the necessary path he had to take.

But by all accounts, that wasn't his visible mindset before he went radio silent on social media in the last few months. Something shifted massively in his thinking towards that direction.

As you say- was it somebody close to him that suffered with insurance (likely not immediate family given their comparative wealth).. maybe related to his own back or autoimmune issues?

The reports from friends are complete shock at these actions, including that "manifesto". What was the catalyst?

 

[Joe Bryant]

I would have hoped this was some sort of fringe thing. Not sure.

To further what I said before - we’re talking about a little more than 100 reviews slamming McDonalds per the article you shared.

I find in this day and age you read headlines like “Italian Americans outraged over Chris Pratt voicing Super Mario” and when you actually read the article it’s based on a handful of tweets made by people that may or may not be actual Italian Americans - and in any case don’t represent all Italian Americans.

Same here - as we’re looking at a few loonies that took time to slam a McDonalds employee for doing the right thing - and then try to extrapolate it as some phenomenon sweeping across the country - so that we have something to be outraged about as well - when it’s just a few fools posting from their parents basement.

I do think it's a spectrum.

NY Times facebook account had a post linking to their article, "Who was Brian Thompson, CEO of United Healthcare?"

Most popular comment with almost a couple thousand "likes" was:

"Mass murderer for profit"


Yolonda Wilson, an associate professor who teaches a course on “Law and Morality” at St. Louis University, said she was “not rejoicing” but also “I’m not sad about it, either,” she added. “Chickens come home to roost.”

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Granted, X and Facebook don't speak for the nation. Hopefully those are way on the far end of the spectrum.

 

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I agree with Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro on this:

Gov. Shapiro praises McDonald’s tipster, condemns those who see suspect in CEO killing as ‘hero’

Shapiro said that Luigi Mangione had traveled between Philadelphia, Pittsburgh and other areas in the state prior to his arrest in Altoona.

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Shapiro also took a moment to condemn some of the online support the killing has received from people who feel that insurance companies place shareholder profits and executive suite pay above their customers’ medical needs and lives.

“In America, we do not kill people in cold blood to resolve policy differences or express a viewpoint,” he said. “I understand people have real frustration with our healthcare system. I have worked to address that throughout my career. But I have no tolerance, nor should anyone, for one man using an illegal ghost gun to murder someone because he thinks his opinion matters most. In a civil society, we are all less safe when idealogues engage in vigilante justice.

“In some dark corners, this killer is being hailed as a hero. here me on this: He is no hero. The real hero in this story is the person who called 911 at McDonald’s this morning.

“Let’s be mindful not to dehumanize [Thomopson] and make him just an avatar of a system that is disliked by many. He was a father, he was a husband. He did not deserve to die like this on a sidewalk in New York City.”

When asked about the similarities between Thompson’s death and the attempted assassination of Donald Trump in Butler on July 13, Shapiro said, “Violence can never be used to address political differences or to address a substantive difference or to try to prove some sort of ideological point.”

“That is not what we do in a civilized society. That was true in Butler, it was true in New York City, and it is true anywhere. That is not how you make progress in this country,” he said.

“The suspect here ... is a coward, not a hero. And we need to make sure that in this country we get back to having a civil discourse about our differences. That is an important lesson coming out of Pennsylvania and it is one that I think the rest of the nation needs to hear.”

I don’t understand the moderation of this thread. Is it OK to discuss the online support of the killer? I think it will just lead to political arguments.

 

[Joe Bryant]

I agree with Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro on this:

Gov. Shapiro praises McDonald’s tipster, condemns those who see suspect in CEO killing as ‘hero’

Shapiro said that Luigi Mangione had traveled between Philadelphia, Pittsburgh and other areas in the state prior to his arrest in Altoona.

www.pennlive.com

Shapiro also took a moment to condemn some of the online support the killing has received from people who feel that insurance companies place shareholder profits and executive suite pay above their customers’ medical needs and lives.

“In America, we do not kill people in cold blood to resolve policy differences or express a viewpoint,” he said. “I understand people have real frustration with our healthcare system. I have worked to address that throughout my career. But I have no tolerance, nor should anyone, for one man using an illegal ghost gun to murder someone because he thinks his opinion matters most. In a civil society, we are all less safe when idealogues engage in vigilante justice.

“In some dark corners, this killer is being hailed as a hero. here me on this: He is no hero. The real hero in this story is the person who called 911 at McDonald’s this morning.

“Let’s be mindful not to dehumanize [Thomopson] and make him just an avatar of a system that is disliked by many. He was a father, he was a husband. He did not deserve to die like this on a sidewalk in New York City.”

When asked about the similarities between Thompson’s death and the attempted assassination of Donald Trump in Butler on July 13, Shapiro said, “Violence can never be used to address political differences or to address a substantive difference or to try to prove some sort of ideological point.”

“That is not what we do in a civilized society. That was true in Butler, it was true in New York City, and it is true anywhere. That is not how you make progress in this country,” he said.

“The suspect here ... is a coward, not a hero. And we need to make sure that in this country we get back to having a civil discourse about our differences. That is an important lesson coming out of Pennsylvania and it is one that I think the rest of the nation needs to hear.”

I don’t understand the moderation of this thread. Is it OK to discuss the online support of the killer? I think it will just lead to political arguments.

You could be right.

Moderators removed a lot of posts overnight.

There had been talk throughout the thread of motivation and understanding of the killer.

I agree with Governor Shapiro about disagreeing with the online support of the killer. But you could be right in maybe we shouldn't talk about that.