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Oberlin Students Protest Insensitive General Tso's Chicken (1 Viewer)

Steve Tasker

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For the love of god, can't someone get these poor kids a safe space or two?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/22/us/oberlin-takes-culture-war-to-the-dining-hall.html?_r=0

Some students at Oberlin College are taking their demands for diversity and racial inclusion to the dining hall, asking for more traditional meals and criticizing what they consider poor efforts at multicultural cooking.

It is the latest skirmish in a year marked by protests and other actions by college students to challenge the cultural and racial status quo on campuses across America.

The students at the college in Oberlin, Ohio, are accusing the campus dining department and Bon Appé### Management Company, the main dining vendor, of a litany of offenses that range from cultural appropriation to cultural insensitivity.

Earlier this month, students with the school’s black student union protested outside of the dining hall at the Afrikan Heritage House, after demands for more traditional meals, including more fried chicken, went unmet, according to the campus paper, The Oberlin Review.

“I would like to see Bon Appé### fired and replaced by something other than an international corporation,” a student, Kendra Farrakhan, wrote to the paper. “I would like to see the chefs have the respect and autonomy to cook the food they love.”

Another article, published by The Review in November, detailed what students said were instances of cultural appropriation carried out by Bon Appé###. The culinary culprits included a soggy, pulled-pork-and-coleslaw sandwich that tried to pass itself off as a traditional Vietnamese banh mi sandwich; a Chinese General Tso’s chicken dish made with steamed instead of fried poultry; and some poorly prepared Japanese sushi.

“When you’re cooking a country’s dish for other people, including ones who have never tried the original dish before, you’re also representing the meaning of the dish as well as its culture,” Tomoyo Joshi, a student from Japan, told the paper. “So if people not from that heritage take food, modify it and serve it as ‘authentic,’ it is appropriative.”

Michele Gross, Oberlin’s director of dining services, said in a statement on Monday that “in our efforts to provide a vibrant menu, we recently fell short in the execution of several dishes in a manner that was culturally insensitive.”

She added: “We have met with students to discuss their concerns and hope to continue this dialogue.”

Cultural appropriation, a term defined as the taking over of creative or artistic forms, themes or practices by one cultural group from another, has been a perennial source of debate at college campuses, especially around Halloween. But in the context of the cafeteria at Oberlin, the criticism seemed too far a stretch for some.

“When you’re defending the cultural authenticity of GENERAL TSO’S CHICKEN, you’re a living Portlandia sketch,” Fredrik deBoer, an academic, wrote on Twitter, in a reference to the IFC show that satirizes Oregon hipsters.

On Monday, Bonnie Powell, the communications director for Bon Appé###, said in an email that the company would address student complaints.

“We appreciate the feedback we have received from Oberlin students. Our chefs are working hard to offer culturally sensitive menus that will appeal to the Oberlin community,” Ms. Powell wrote.

General Tso’s chicken aside, students on campus appear to be struggling with deeper racial and cultural rifts. Oberlin made national news in 2013, when class was canceled over security concerns after racist graffiti and fliers were distributed across campus. (This year, in Missouri, the same behaviors led to student protests and, eventually, the ouster of high-ranking campus officials.)

Last week, Oberlin’s black student union issued a list of demands to campus administrators, which include the creation of segregated safe spaces for black students on campus, and an annual 4 percent increase in black student enrollment.

“These are demands and not suggestions,” the document read. “If these demands are not taken seriously, immediate action from the Africana community will follow.”
Additional reading: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/the-food-fight-at-oberlin-college/421401/

 
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This one doesn't seem as bad as the other ones to me because it seems like a pretty transparent attempt use a hot button issue as leverage to get better food, which I can appreciate. If you read the article you see that they're not protesting the presence of General Tso's on the menu. They're protesting the fact that it sucked.

But from a broader perspective, why do we care about all this? 19 year olds throw hissy fits about inconsequential things. I don't know how this is news to anyone who has ever been or spent time with a 19 year old.

 
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Seems weed legalization is a foregone conclusion in Ohio, so they had to find something new to rally behind. Good food is a worthy cause. I know I'd be pissed if I ordered some General and they sent out steamed chicken. That's not the General, Jethro. Maybe a Lieutenant Tso's, but not General.

 
Binghamton University had awesome Gen Tsos chicken. These students should transfer there

It also had a pub with the best cheesesteaks Ive ever had. And of course beer for those that like that sort of thing.

 
Wait, black students complaining because there's no fried chicken? Dear black students, we made you some fried chicken. "THAT'S RACIST!"

 
Wait, black students complaining because there's no fried chicken? Dear black students, we made you some fried chicken. "THAT'S RACIST!"
Is it fair to say that white people have now officially culturally appropriated fried chicken?

 
No General Tso's chicken in the United States is "authentic." There's a neat documentary about the genesis of the dish called Searching for General Tso.

As near as we can tell, it was invented in Taipei at Peng's in the 1960s as a traditional Sichaun Hunan dish but the Americanized version (popularized in New York in the early 70s) bears no resemblance to it. I've had it at Peng's. It's not deep-fried. It's spicy, but not sweet at all. And absolutely no broccoli.

So the protest is doubly funny because they're actually complaining that the cafeteria isn't using the culturally appropriated dish.

 
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No General Tso's chicken in the United States is "authentic." There's a neat documentary about the genesis of the dish called Searching for General Tso.

As near as we can tell, it was invented in Taipei at Peng's in the 1960s as a traditional Sichaun dish but the Americanized version (popularized in New York in the early 70s) bears no resemblance to it. I've had it at Peng's. It's not deep-fried. It's spicy, but not sweet at all. And absolutely no broccoli.

So the protest is doubly funny because they're actually complaining that the cafeteria isn't using the culturally appropriated dish.
I have never seen a version of General Two's chicken with broccoli.

 
No General Tso's chicken in the United States is "authentic." There's a neat documentary about the genesis of the dish called Searching for General Tso.

As near as we can tell, it was invented in Taipei at Peng's in the 1960s as a traditional Sichaun dish but the Americanized version (popularized in New York in the early 70s) bears no resemblance to it. I've had it at Peng's. It's not deep-fried. It's spicy, but not sweet at all. And absolutely no broccoli.

So the protest is doubly funny because they're actually complaining that the cafeteria isn't using the culturally appropriated dish.
I have never seen a version of General Two's chicken with broccoli.
Main Wiki article pic...https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Tso%27s_chicken

 
No General Tso's chicken in the United States is "authentic." There's a neat documentary about the genesis of the dish called Searching for General Tso.

As near as we can tell, it was invented in Taipei at Peng's in the 1960s as a traditional Sichaun dish but the Americanized version (popularized in New York in the early 70s) bears no resemblance to it. I've had it at Peng's. It's not deep-fried. It's spicy, but not sweet at all. And absolutely no broccoli.

So the protest is doubly funny because they're actually complaining that the cafeteria isn't using the culturally appropriated dish.
This is probably my favorite part of the NYT article:

“When you’re defending the cultural authenticity of GENERAL TSO’S CHICKEN, you’re a living Portlandia sketch,” Fredrik deBoer, an academic, wrote on Twitter, in a reference to the IFC show that satirizes Oregon hipsters.
 
No General Tso's chicken in the United States is "authentic." There's a neat documentary about the genesis of the dish called Searching for General Tso.

As near as we can tell, it was invented in Taipei at Peng's in the 1960s as a traditional Sichaun dish but the Americanized version (popularized in New York in the early 70s) bears no resemblance to it. I've had it at Peng's. It's not deep-fried. It's spicy, but not sweet at all. And absolutely no broccoli.

So the protest is doubly funny because they're actually complaining that the cafeteria isn't using the culturally appropriated dish.
I have never seen a version of General Two's chicken with broccoli.
Main Wiki article pic...https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Tso%27s_chicken
Woah. My world is upside down right now.

 
No General Tso's chicken in the United States is "authentic." There's a neat documentary about the genesis of the dish called Searching for General Tso.

As near as we can tell, it was invented in Taipei at Peng's in the 1960s as a traditional Sichaun dish but the Americanized version (popularized in New York in the early 70s) bears no resemblance to it. I've had it at Peng's. It's not deep-fried. It's spicy, but not sweet at all. And absolutely no broccoli.

So the protest is doubly funny because they're actually complaining that the cafeteria isn't using the culturally appropriated dish.
I have never seen a version of General Two's chicken with broccoli.
Main Wiki article pic...https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Tso%27s_chicken
Woah. My world is upside down right now.
Sit down and have a fortune cookie.
 
No General Tso's chicken in the United States is "authentic." There's a neat documentary about the genesis of the dish called Searching for General Tso.

As near as we can tell, it was invented in Taipei at Peng's in the 1960s as a traditional Sichaun dish but the Americanized version (popularized in New York in the early 70s) bears no resemblance to it. I've had it at Peng's. It's not deep-fried. It's spicy, but not sweet at all. And absolutely no broccoli.

So the protest is doubly funny because they're actually complaining that the cafeteria isn't using the culturally appropriated dish.
I have never seen a version of General Two's chicken with broccoli.
Main Wiki article pic...https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Tso%27s_chicken
Woah. My world is upside down right now.
Sit down and have a fortune cookie.
Someone find me a college student to protest this post

 
No General Tso's chicken in the United States is "authentic." There's a neat documentary about the genesis of the dish called Searching for General Tso.

As near as we can tell, it was invented in Taipei at Peng's in the 1960s as a traditional Sichaun dish but the Americanized version (popularized in New York in the early 70s) bears no resemblance to it. I've had it at Peng's. It's not deep-fried. It's spicy, but not sweet at all. And absolutely no broccoli.

So the protest is doubly funny because they're actually complaining that the cafeteria isn't using the culturally appropriated dish.
I have never seen a version of General Two's chicken with broccoli.
General one is just chicken. General two is chicken and broccoli.

 
No General Tso's chicken in the United States is "authentic." There's a neat documentary about the genesis of the dish called Searching for General Tso.

As near as we can tell, it was invented in Taipei at Peng's in the 1960s as a traditional Sichaun dish but the Americanized version (popularized in New York in the early 70s) bears no resemblance to it. I've had it at Peng's. It's not deep-fried. It's spicy, but not sweet at all. And absolutely no broccoli.

So the protest is doubly funny because they're actually complaining that the cafeteria isn't using the culturally appropriated dish.
I have never seen a version of General Two's chicken with broccoli.
Main Wiki article pic...https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Tso%27s_chicken
That looks awesome.

 
But from a broader perspective, why do we care about all this? 19 year olds throw hissy fits about inconsequential things. I don't know how this is news to anyone who has ever been or spent time with a 19 year old.
I think there's a general issue with using offense as leverage in given situations. Seems that wider society cares so much about non-consequential offense these days that a group of people can just raise their hands and say "Offended! Offended over here! Now do as we say!" to effect change.

 
My local grocery store recently completed a buffet where you can fill up a container from about 10-15 different typically Asian food offerings and you pay by the pound. They don't call it "General Tso's Chicken", though. They call it "Officer Tso's". Didn't know if it was a trademark situation or not.

 
My local grocery store recently completed a buffet where you can fill up a container from about 10-15 different typically Asian food offerings and you pay by the pound. They don't call it "General Tso's Chicken", though. They call it "Officer Tso's". Didn't know if it was a trademark situation or not.
Just sounds like someone got demoted.

 
Am I the only one who reads this mainly as an attempt to get better food in the dining hall? Feels like they're using the buzz words of the day to justify not getting #### food. I know that when I was in college the same cooks that made the dining hall food were also excellent catering cooks when allowed to do what they want for college functions. The “I would like to see the chefs have the respect and autonomy to cook the food they love" line convinces me this is mainly an attempt by students to get the catering food instead of dining hall food.

 
Am I the only one who reads this mainly as an attempt to get better food in the dining hall? Feels like they're using the buzz words of the day to justify not getting #### food. I know that when I was in college the same cooks that made the dining hall food were also excellent catering cooks when allowed to do what they want for college functions. The “I would like to see the chefs have the respect and autonomy to cook the food they love" line convinces me this is mainly an attempt by students to get the catering food instead of dining hall food.
Yes, just you. Oh, and the guy with the first reply...and then another somewhere after that. Others probably read it the same way, but didnt bother to add the same opinion over and over. :pokey:

 
I'm in agreement with the others saying this is mainly an attempt to get better food in general. However this was the the line I found interesting....

Last week, Oberlin’s black student union issued a list of demands to campus administrators, which include the creation of segregated safe spaces for black students on campus...
I can't open the link at work, but basically the black student union is asking for segregation ?

 
I'm in agreement with the others saying this is mainly an attempt to get better food in general. However this was the the line I found interesting....

Last week, Oberlins black student union issued a list of demands to campus administrators, which include the creation of segregated safe spaces for black students on campus...
I can't open the link at work, but basically the black student union is asking for segregation ?
Yeah, this seems very weird. 'Black student seating only - courtesy of cultural sensitivity!'

 
Oberlin is a private, fairly pricey ($65K or so), artsy-fartsy liberal arts college in the middle of nowhere in Ohio. These kids gotta find something against the man to protest - quality asian food is a nice pick.

 
Am I the only one who reads this mainly as an attempt to get better food in the dining hall? Feels like they're using the buzz words of the day to justify not getting #### food. I know that when I was in college the same cooks that made the dining hall food were also excellent catering cooks when allowed to do what they want for college functions. The “I would like to see the chefs have the respect and autonomy to cook the food they love" line convinces me this is mainly an attempt by students to get the catering food instead of dining hall food.
Yes, just you. Oh, and the guy with the first reply...and then another somewhere after that. Others probably read it the same way, but didnt bother to add the same opinion over and over. :pokey:
Eh, I'm too lazy to read what you people write. I'm just blasting off opinions into the ether, MOP style.

 
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I'm in agreement with the others saying this is mainly an attempt to get better food in general. However this was the the line I found interesting....

Last week, Oberlin’s black student union issued a list of demands to campus administrators, which include the creation of segregated safe spaces for black students on campus...
I can't open the link at work, but basically the black student union is asking for segregation ?
From the link:

Oberlin College and Conservatory is an unethical institution. From capitalizing on massive labor exploitation across campus, to the Conservatory of Music treating Black and other students of color as less than through its everyday running, Oberlin College unapologetically acts as unethical institution, antithetical to its historical vision. In the 1830s, this school claimed a legacy of supporting its Black students. However, that legacy has amounted to nothing more than a public relations campaign initiated to benefit the image of the institution and not the Africana people it was set out for. Along the same lines stated by UNC Chapel Hill students in their 2015 document “A Collective Response to Anti-Blackness,” you include Black and other students of color in the institution and mark them with the words “equity, inclusion and diversity,” when in fact this institution functions on the premises of imperialism, white supremacy, capitalism, ableism, and a cissexist heteropatriarchy. Oberlin College and Conservatory uses the limited number of Black and Brown students to color in its brochures, but then erases us from student life on this campus. You profit off of our accomplishments and invisible labor, yet You expect us to produce personal solutions to institutional incompetencies. We as a College-defined “high risk,” “low income,” “disadvantaged” community should not have to carry the burden of deconstructing the white supremacist, patriarchal, capitalist system that we took no part in creating, yet is so deeply embedded in the soil upon which this institution was built
There is a giant list of demands, like a hundred of them. They demand that the school create a second "safe space", that is correct. They also demand that every student take African-themed classes as part of their general education requirements. They demand tenure or tenure-track for a number of professors in the Africana Studies department and a number of other professors. $15/hour minimum wage across campus and $8.20/hour stipend for "black student leaders". They demand the firing of the campus head of security, two campus police officers, an accounts payable supervisor who they believe is racist, the "associate dean of studies" and "vice president for strategic initiatives" for their "grave mishandling of the mental and emotional needs of persons of color", the director of student health and counseling services, and a music professor due to the racist undertones of his class and the fact that his class is rooted in white supremacy.

It's a pretty exhaustive list, actually.

 
Did I read that correctly that black students were actually demanding fried chicken?

Seriously, I am envisioning all of these students having a little meeting to outline their demands, and the black student association chimes in with "We need more fried chicken!" I would pay money to see the look on the white students' faces. I'm thinking a real-life version of this: :help:

 
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Did I read that correctly that black students were actually demanding fried chicken?

Seriously, I am envisioning all of these students having a little meeting to outline their demands, and the black student association chimes in with "We need more fried chicken!" I would pay money to see the look on the white students' faces. I'm thinking a real-life version of this: :help:
You have to admire the trolling. It's like the Kobayashi Maru of student demands.

 

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