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Obesity and Ozempic and more (1 Viewer)

and I just took my first 8 unit dose.
What is 8 unit dose? The doses I got for Ozempic were .5 then 1 then 2mg.
0.5 then 1 then 2mg was exactly the progression I was given. Now on the 15mg dose of Mounjaro. And Mounjaro started out at 10mg, then 12.5, then 15mg for me.
Why the switch? How has the difference been?
I lost 60 pounds from March of 2023 through August of 2023, but then my weight plateaued. I just couldn't lose any more. I'm 5'11" and was down to about 235lbs. I wanted to get down closer to 200, but it just wasn't working any more with Ozempic. My weight didn't move immediately after switching to Mounjaro, either, but after switching to the 15mg maximum dose, it's back on its way down. I don't know if I'll ever get to 200, though. But at least I'm not gaining. Also, one of the side effects I had with Ozempic was the only foods that tasted right were sweet foods, like fruits. Everything else just didn't taste like I knew it should. That is not a real common side effect... my PCP looked it up on whatever database he uses and it was reported, but only by about 2% to 3% of patients. But that side effect has gone away with Mounjaro.
 
I lost 60 pounds from March of 2023 through August of 2023, but then my weight plateaued. I just couldn't lose any more. I'm 5'11" and was down to about 235lbs. I wanted to get down closer to 200, but it just wasn't working any more with Ozempic. My weight didn't move immediately after switching to Mounjaro, either, but after switching to the 15mg maximum dose, it's back on its way down. I don't know if I'll ever get to 200, though. But at least I'm not gaining. Also, one of the side effects I had with Ozempic was the only foods that tasted right were sweet foods, like fruits. Everything else just didn't taste like I knew it should. That is not a real common side effect... my PCP looked it up on whatever database he uses and it was reported, but only by about 2% to 3% of patients. But that side effect has gone away with Mounjaro.
I asked about switching to WeGovy for the higher dose over Ozempic. I am still losing weight though I do feel like it is losing some of it's helpfulness and since I may only have until the end of the year to be one anything wanted to get the most bang out of my buck. The Doctor agreed so I have to pick it up today and I think I have one dosage of Ozempic left and then will use it.

I haven't had any side effects from Ozempic so I guess I will ride that out as much as I can.
 
I lost 60 pounds from March of 2023 through August of 2023, but then my weight plateaued. I just couldn't lose any more. I'm 5'11" and was down to about 235lbs. I wanted to get down closer to 200, but it just wasn't working any more with Ozempic. My weight didn't move immediately after switching to Mounjaro, either, but after switching to the 15mg maximum dose, it's back on its way down. I don't know if I'll ever get to 200, though. But at least I'm not gaining. Also, one of the side effects I had with Ozempic was the only foods that tasted right were sweet foods, like fruits. Everything else just didn't taste like I knew it should. That is not a real common side effect... my PCP looked it up on whatever database he uses and it was reported, but only by about 2% to 3% of patients. But that side effect has gone away with Mounjaro.
I asked about switching to WeGovy for the higher dose over Ozempic. I am still losing weight though I do feel like it is losing some of it's helpfulness and since I may only have until the end of the year to be one anything wanted to get the most bang out of my buck. The Doctor agreed so I have to pick it up today and I think I have one dosage of Ozempic left and then will use it.

I haven't had any side effects from Ozempic so I guess I will ride that out as much as I can.
So you got WeGovy approved for T2D with your insurance??
 
I lost 60 pounds from March of 2023 through August of 2023, but then my weight plateaued. I just couldn't lose any more. I'm 5'11" and was down to about 235lbs. I wanted to get down closer to 200, but it just wasn't working any more with Ozempic. My weight didn't move immediately after switching to Mounjaro, either, but after switching to the 15mg maximum dose, it's back on its way down. I don't know if I'll ever get to 200, though. But at least I'm not gaining. Also, one of the side effects I had with Ozempic was the only foods that tasted right were sweet foods, like fruits. Everything else just didn't taste like I knew it should. That is not a real common side effect... my PCP looked it up on whatever database he uses and it was reported, but only by about 2% to 3% of patients. But that side effect has gone away with Mounjaro.
I asked about switching to WeGovy for the higher dose over Ozempic. I am still losing weight though I do feel like it is losing some of it's helpfulness and since I may only have until the end of the year to be one anything wanted to get the most bang out of my buck. The Doctor agreed so I have to pick it up today and I think I have one dosage of Ozempic left and then will use it.

I haven't had any side effects from Ozempic so I guess I will ride that out as much as I can.
So you got WeGovy approved for T2D with your insurance??
No.... neither Ozempic or WeGovy is covered but because we have hit out family deductible, it basically is covered.... up until the end of this year (assuming my wife has her last surgery sometime this year) which is why I asked about switching to WeGovy to get the higher dose because I am on the clock.
 
This should hold for people without type 2 diabetes too, reduced cancer risk is never a bad thing.





Findings This cohort study of more than 1.6 million patients with type 2 diabetes (T2D) who had no prior diagnosis of 13 OACs found that patients with T2D treated with GLP-1RAs vs insulin had a significant risk reduction in 10 of 13 OACs, including esophageal, colorectal, endometrial, gallbladder, kidney, liver, ovarian, and pancreatic cancer as well as meningioma and multiple myeloma. No decrease in cancer risk was associated with GLP-1RAs compared with metformin.

Meaning This study provides clinical data suggesting that GLP-1RAs may reduce the risk of specific OACs compared with insulins.
 
Started two weeks ago today on low dose first four weeks of semaglutide. (2mg)

Week 1 - Down 3lbs
Week 2 - Down 6lbs.

No side effects. Never hungry

Hey GB - are you diabetic or did your doctor recommend it for weight loss? Just curious.

My nephew was just put on Mounjaro (sp?) - apparently, he's having a rough time of it making him nauseated and intestinal issues. He's diabetic.
 
Started two weeks ago today on low dose first four weeks of semaglutide. (2mg)

Week 1 - Down 3lbs
Week 2 - Down 6lbs.

No side effects. Never hungry
Did they ramp you up to the 2mg? Two weeks was a lot faster than me where they had like .5 for a couple of weeks, then 1mg then 2mg.

If like me, after some time it will start to lose some of it's impact but hopefully by then you have shrunk your stomach and established better eating habits.
 
Started two weeks ago today on low dose first four weeks of semaglutide. (2mg)

Week 1 - Down 3lbs
Week 2 - Down 6lbs.

No side effects. Never hungry

Hey GB - are you diabetic or did your doctor recommend it for weight loss? Just curious.

My nephew was just put on Mounjaro (sp?) - apparently, he's having a rough time of it making him nauseated and intestinal issues. He's diabetic.
I am not.

From what I hear, people react to it differently. Felt very slight nausea first two days and that was it.
Started two weeks ago today on low dose first four weeks of semaglutide. (2mg)

Week 1 - Down 3lbs
Week 2 - Down 6lbs.

No side effects. Never hungry
Did they ramp you up to the 2mg? Two weeks was a lot faster than me where they had like .5 for a couple of weeks, then 1mg then 2mg.

If like me, after some time it will start to lose some of it's impact but hopefully by then you have shrunk your stomach and established better eating habits.


Oh, actually mine 0.2, not 2.0 to start. Interesting that the 0.2 start is one of the lowest doses I've seen.
 
I’ve lost 60+ lbs since mid-January and reversed my Type 2 Diabetes following the carnivore diet.

It’s reduced anxiety/depression, improved my mental clarity, skyrocketed my mental acuity, increased libido, normalized all my bloodwork, and eliminated any food cravings. I usually eat once per day, but not out of a sense of discipline: simply because I’m only hungry that often.
 
Started two weeks ago today on low dose first four weeks of semaglutide. (2mg)

Week 1 - Down 3lbs
Week 2 - Down 6lbs.

No side effects. Never hungry

Hey GB - are you diabetic or did your doctor recommend it for weight loss? Just curious.

My nephew was just put on Mounjaro (sp?) - apparently, he's having a rough time of it making him nauseated and intestinal issues. He's diabetic.
I am not.

From what I hear, people react to it differently. Felt very slight nausea first two days and that was it.
Started two weeks ago today on low dose first four weeks of semaglutide. (2mg)

Week 1 - Down 3lbs
Week 2 - Down 6lbs.

No side effects. Never hungry
Did they ramp you up to the 2mg? Two weeks was a lot faster than me where they had like .5 for a couple of weeks, then 1mg then 2mg.

If like me, after some time it will start to lose some of it's impact but hopefully by then you have shrunk your stomach and established better eating habits.


Oh, actually mine 0.2, not 2.0 to start. Interesting that the 0.2 start is one of the lowest doses I've seen.
Son did his 1st month with wegovy at 0.2 or 0.25, 2nd at 0.5. No real issues. Last Saturday was his 1st dose at 1.0. Felt pretty nauseous all of Sunday and most of Monday.
As of Saturday he's down 30lbs.
 
Started two weeks ago today on low dose first four weeks of semaglutide. (2mg)

Week 1 - Down 3lbs
Week 2 - Down 6lbs.

No side effects. Never hungry

Hey GB - are you diabetic or did your doctor recommend it for weight loss? Just curious.

My nephew was just put on Mounjaro (sp?) - apparently, he's having a rough time of it making him nauseated and intestinal issues. He's diabetic.
I am not.

From what I hear, people react to it differently. Felt very slight nausea first two days and that was it.
Started two weeks ago today on low dose first four weeks of semaglutide. (2mg)

Week 1 - Down 3lbs
Week 2 - Down 6lbs.

No side effects. Never hungry
Did they ramp you up to the 2mg? Two weeks was a lot faster than me where they had like .5 for a couple of weeks, then 1mg then 2mg.

If like me, after some time it will start to lose some of it's impact but hopefully by then you have shrunk your stomach and established better eating habits.


Oh, actually mine 0.2, not 2.0 to start. Interesting that the 0.2 start is one of the lowest doses I've seen.
Actually, i believe my start was .2 as well.
 
Started two weeks ago today on low dose first four weeks of semaglutide. (2mg)

Week 1 - Down 3lbs
Week 2 - Down 6lbs.

No side effects. Never hungry

Hey GB - are you diabetic or did your doctor recommend it for weight loss? Just curious.

My nephew was just put on Mounjaro (sp?) - apparently, he's having a rough time of it making him nauseated and intestinal issues. He's diabetic.
I am not.

From what I hear, people react to it differently. Felt very slight nausea first two days and that was it.
Started two weeks ago today on low dose first four weeks of semaglutide. (2mg)

Week 1 - Down 3lbs
Week 2 - Down 6lbs.

No side effects. Never hungry
Did they ramp you up to the 2mg? Two weeks was a lot faster than me where they had like .5 for a couple of weeks, then 1mg then 2mg.

If like me, after some time it will start to lose some of it's impact but hopefully by then you have shrunk your stomach and established better eating habits.


Oh, actually mine 0.2, not 2.0 to start. Interesting that the 0.2 start is one of the lowest doses I've seen.
Son did his 1st month with wegovy at 0.2 or 0.25, 2nd at 0.5. No real issues. Last Saturday was his 1st dose at 1.0. Felt pretty nauseous all of Sunday and most of Monday.
As of Saturday he's down 30lbs.
After my very first dose, I had to basically force myself to eat for about two or three days and when I did it was a fifth of what I normally ate. That wore off and the way I explain it to people is that your stomach (at least mine) is kind of like when you get sick.... that very first feeling of "huh, something isn't normal."

It is doing a pretty good job now at 2mg but this Sat will be my first dose at the max 2.4, I am wondering if there will be a significant difference in how I feel.
 
Started two weeks ago today on low dose first four weeks of semaglutide. (2mg)

Week 1 - Down 3lbs
Week 2 - Down 6lbs.

No side effects. Never hungry

Hey GB - are you diabetic or did your doctor recommend it for weight loss? Just curious.

My nephew was just put on Mounjaro (sp?) - apparently, he's having a rough time of it making him nauseated and intestinal issues. He's diabetic.
I am not.

From what I hear, people react to it differently. Felt very slight nausea first two days and that was it.
Started two weeks ago today on low dose first four weeks of semaglutide. (2mg)

Week 1 - Down 3lbs
Week 2 - Down 6lbs.

No side effects. Never hungry
Did they ramp you up to the 2mg? Two weeks was a lot faster than me where they had like .5 for a couple of weeks, then 1mg then 2mg.

If like me, after some time it will start to lose some of it's impact but hopefully by then you have shrunk your stomach and established better eating habits.


Oh, actually mine 0.2, not 2.0 to start. Interesting that the 0.2 start is one of the lowest doses I've seen.
Son did his 1st month with wegovy at 0.2 or 0.25, 2nd at 0.5. No real issues. Last Saturday was his 1st dose at 1.0. Felt pretty nauseous all of Sunday and most of Monday.
As of Saturday he's down 30lbs.
After my very first dose, I had to basically force myself to eat for about two or three days and when I did it was a fifth of what I normally ate. That wore off and the way I explain it to people is that your stomach (at least mine) is kind of like when you get sick.... that very first feeling of "huh, something isn't normal."

It is doing a pretty good job now at 2mg but this Sat will be my first dose at the max 2.4, I am wondering if there will be a significant difference in how I feel.
haha... I took my 3rd shot yesterday. I sit here right now and am not hungry at all. Have like a very mild heart burn feeling, which I've only felt like three times in my life before.


I'm just focusing on fruit, salad, and a lot of protein.
 
Started two weeks ago today on low dose first four weeks of semaglutide. (2mg)

Week 1 - Down 3lbs
Week 2 - Down 6lbs.

No side effects. Never hungry

Hey GB - are you diabetic or did your doctor recommend it for weight loss? Just curious.

My nephew was just put on Mounjaro (sp?) - apparently, he's having a rough time of it making him nauseated and intestinal issues. He's diabetic.
I am not.

From what I hear, people react to it differently. Felt very slight nausea first two days and that was it.
haha... I took my 3rd shot yesterday. I sit here right now and am not hungry at all. Have like a very mild heart burn feeling, which I've only felt like three times in my life before.


I'm just focusing on fruit, salad, and a lot of protein.
Yea, I have had that as well. Not always but it is there. I would just take some Tums and then be fine.
 
Have like a very mild heart burn feeling, which I've only felt like three times in my life before.

Been on this for a while now. I still have a weird medicinal burp that comes and goes, and the stomach side effects haven’t really gone away (long periods of no elimination followed by frequent bouts of it), but I still think it’s worth it for my health and isn’t too much of an inconvenience. Good luck!
 
Have like a very mild heart burn feeling, which I've only felt like three times in my life before.

Been on this for a while now. I still have a weird medicinal burp that comes and goes, and the stomach side effects haven’t really gone away (long periods of no elimination followed by frequent bouts of it), but I still think it’s worth it for my health and isn’t too much of an inconvenience. Good luck!
You too GB!

It's really a strange feeling having to force yourself to eat something.
 
Have like a very mild heart burn feeling, which I've only felt like three times in my life before.

Been on this for a while now. I still have a weird medicinal burp that comes and goes, and the stomach side effects haven’t really gone away (long periods of no elimination followed by frequent bouts of it), but I still think it’s worth it for my health and isn’t too much of an inconvenience. Good luck!
I am somewhat constipated so I just take more fiber/prebiotics to assist. I should do more because when I poo it is rough (hard and big) but I always forget about it until I have to go. :eek:
 
You too GB!

It's really a strange feeling having to force yourself to eat something.

Yep, GB! Lost about 35-40 lbs. since late Jan./early Feb. Down to 185 at about 6’0”. (5’11” 1/2 or 1/4 but can I have the 6’, please? I don’t ask for too much!)

I am somewhat constipated so I just take more fiber/prebiotics to assist. I should do more because when I poo it is rough (hard and big) but I always forget about it until I have to go. :eek:

Oh boy. That’s no fun. I am not constipated unless I take something that makes me that way, but I can relate to what you’re saying with the meds.

That can’t be good for us, but the meds seem to be tied to an awful lot of good results (I would assume from the weight loss).

Oh yeah, I started at .5 mg dosage and went to 1 mg after two weeks, where I’ve stayed since.
 
You too GB!

It's really a strange feeling having to force yourself to eat something.

Yep, GB! Lost about 35-40 lbs. since late Jan./early Feb. Down to 185 at about 6’0”. (5’11” 1/2 or 1/4 but can I have the 6’, please? I don’t ask for too much!)

I am somewhat constipated so I just take more fiber/prebiotics to assist. I should do more because when I poo it is rough (hard and big) but I always forget about it until I have to go. :eek:

Oh boy. That’s no fun. I am not constipated unless I take something that makes me that way, but I can relate to what you’re saying with the meds.

That can’t be good for us, but the meds seem to be tied to an awful lot of good results (I would assume from the weight loss).

Oh yeah, I started at .5 mg dosage and went to 1 mg after two weeks, where I’ve stayed since.
damn that really good
Now I want to try this as I need to shed ay least 20 pounds to give my back, hips and knees a break
 
I’ve lost 60+ lbs since mid-January and reversed my Type 2 Diabetes following the carnivore diet.

It’s reduced anxiety/depression, improved my mental clarity, skyrocketed my mental acuity, increased libido, normalized all my bloodwork, and eliminated any food cravings. I usually eat once per day, but not out of a sense of discipline: simply because I’m only hungry that often.
How’d you choose that diet?
 
I’ve lost 60+ lbs since mid-January and reversed my Type 2 Diabetes following the carnivore diet.

It’s reduced anxiety/depression, improved my mental clarity, skyrocketed my mental acuity, increased libido, normalized all my bloodwork, and eliminated any food cravings. I usually eat once per day, but not out of a sense of discipline: simply because I’m only hungry that often.
How’d you choose that diet?
It’s a little ironic- I was really feeling awful: firmly in my 50s, topping 275lbs., tired all the time, aches and pains all over. I was finally getting to that place of internal self-loathing that usually motivates me to get in shape. I've done pretty much every diet/fad/whatever over the years. I was planning on going vegan (again).

I called my PCP to get an antibiotic for an ear/sinus infection I was fighting off, and she said "I haven't seen you in 2 years. No Rx unless you come in for a physical." BP was 179/110 and HgbA1c was like 9.7! That was the wake up call I needed. It made the most sense to me, if I didn't want to be diabetic, that I had to cut out carbs. Told my doc I wanted to fix things thru diet, instead of taking metformin or insulin.

Started doing keto and was motivated enough to make it a real lifestyle change. In 3 months, dropped my A1c to 6.3, BP normalized enough to stop taking losartan. I liked the results enough, and was reading/hearing enough about the metabolic physiology of carnivore that I did a 30-day trial. Within 2 weeks, started to feel super human. Kept going on carnivore and never looked back.

My 6 month labs, after going on a 3 week vacation back to the East Coast and having several "carb days" (Who can say no to an authentic cheesesteak, or real East Coast pizza?) my A1c is down to 5.5, fasting glucose was 88, BP runs 130s/80s now, normally. I've increased NEAT activities and gotten progressively more active as my energy levels and mood have improved, but really no workout regimen, either. I am just slowly starting to get into resistance/weight training and stretching because my goal is functional longevity, maximizing lean muscle mass and age-proofing.
 
I’ve lost 60+ lbs since mid-January and reversed my Type 2 Diabetes following the carnivore diet.

It’s reduced anxiety/depression, improved my mental clarity, skyrocketed my mental acuity, increased libido, normalized all my bloodwork, and eliminated any food cravings. I usually eat once per day, but not out of a sense of discipline: simply because I’m only hungry that often.
How’d you choose that diet?
It’s a little ironic- I was really feeling awful: firmly in my 50s, topping 275lbs., tired all the time, aches and pains all over. I was finally getting to that place of internal self-loathing that usually motivates me to get in shape. I've done pretty much every diet/fad/whatever over the years. I was planning on going vegan (again).

I called my PCP to get an antibiotic for an ear/sinus infection I was fighting off, and she said "I haven't seen you in 2 years. No Rx unless you come in for a physical." BP was 179/110 and HgbA1c was like 9.7! That was the wake up call I needed. It made the most sense to me, if I didn't want to be diabetic, that I had to cut out carbs. Told my doc I wanted to fix things thru diet, instead of taking metformin or insulin.

Started doing keto and was motivated enough to make it a real lifestyle change. In 3 months, dropped my A1c to 6.3, BP normalized enough to stop taking losartan. I liked the results enough, and was reading/hearing enough about the metabolic physiology of carnivore that I did a 30-day trial. Within 2 weeks, started to feel super human. Kept going on carnivore and never looked back.

My 6 month labs, after going on a 3 week vacation back to the East Coast and having several "carb days" (Who can say no to an authentic cheesesteak, or real East Coast pizza?) my A1c is down to 5.5, fasting glucose was 88, BP runs 130s/80s now, normally. I've increased NEAT activities and gotten progressively more active as my energy levels and mood have improved, but really no workout regimen, either. I am just slowly starting to get into resistance/weight training and stretching because my goal is functional longevity, maximizing lean muscle mass and age-proofing.
Interesting. Thanks for the detailed reply.

This is a good example of finding what works for you. Choosing the “healthiest” diet ultimately takes a back seat to how well you can stick with it, as nearly anything facilitating 60+ pound weight loss will make you feel better, maybe even super human.

Keep up the great work!
 
I've struggled with my weight my whole adult life. My seizure meds destroy my metabolism. Like totally shreds it.
The only time I was ever able to lose weight was when I went seizure free for something like 5 or 6 years and they took me off my meds. I instantly dropped weight and I was lighter than I was in high school (like 185 pounds or so). Than the seizures came back. I went back on meds and I gained 50 pounds back . My diet never really changed. I'm almost always at 2000 calories or less a day unless it's a special occasion (Wedding, Thanksgiving dinner, special occasion).
Anyway, this is a longwinded way to say I'm certainly starting the process to get with my Dr to see if these drugs are an option. I'm sick of putting all this work and seeing zero return.
 
It's really a strange feeling having to force yourself to eat something.

What's really strange is how many people feel this way naturally, all the time.

I remember a female friend in college telling me how "eating was boring". Yes, she was a thin vegetarian.
 
It's really a strange feeling having to force yourself to eat something.

What's really strange is how many people feel this way naturally, all the time.

I remember a female friend in college telling me how "eating was boring". Yes, she was a thin vegetarian.
It’s also strange how different foods affect different people, and palatability of foods changes in the same person over time.
 
I’ve lost 60+ lbs since mid-January and reversed my Type 2 Diabetes following the carnivore diet.

It’s reduced anxiety/depression, improved my mental clarity, skyrocketed my mental acuity, increased libido, normalized all my bloodwork, and eliminated any food cravings. I usually eat once per day, but not out of a sense of discipline: simply because I’m only hungry that often.
How’d you choose that diet?
It’s a little ironic- I was really feeling awful: firmly in my 50s, topping 275lbs., tired all the time, aches and pains all over. I was finally getting to that place of internal self-loathing that usually motivates me to get in shape. I've done pretty much every diet/fad/whatever over the years. I was planning on going vegan (again).

I called my PCP to get an antibiotic for an ear/sinus infection I was fighting off, and she said "I haven't seen you in 2 years. No Rx unless you come in for a physical." BP was 179/110 and HgbA1c was like 9.7! That was the wake up call I needed. It made the most sense to me, if I didn't want to be diabetic, that I had to cut out carbs. Told my doc I wanted to fix things thru diet, instead of taking metformin or insulin.

Started doing keto and was motivated enough to make it a real lifestyle change. In 3 months, dropped my A1c to 6.3, BP normalized enough to stop taking losartan. I liked the results enough, and was reading/hearing enough about the metabolic physiology of carnivore that I did a 30-day trial. Within 2 weeks, started to feel super human. Kept going on carnivore and never looked back.

My 6 month labs, after going on a 3 week vacation back to the East Coast and having several "carb days" (Who can say no to an authentic cheesesteak, or real East Coast pizza?) my A1c is down to 5.5, fasting glucose was 88, BP runs 130s/80s now, normally. I've increased NEAT activities and gotten progressively more active as my energy levels and mood have improved, but really no workout regimen, either. I am just slowly starting to get into resistance/weight training and stretching because my goal is functional longevity, maximizing lean muscle mass and age-proofing.

My father is a retired fireman who has a chronic bad back from a couple of injuries. He’s had multiple procedures on his neck and back with no relief for years. He was beginning to give up and started doing his own online research and someone suggested he try doing carnivore to reduce his inflammation. He figured it couldn’t hurt and he’s dropped 40 pounds and most of his pain is gone. Anecdotal for sure but given how much pain I know he was in I figure it’s worth it especially given his weight loss too.

Good luck.
 
I’ve lost 60+ lbs since mid-January and reversed my Type 2 Diabetes following the carnivore diet.

It’s reduced anxiety/depression, improved my mental clarity, skyrocketed my mental acuity, increased libido, normalized all my bloodwork, and eliminated any food cravings. I usually eat once per day, but not out of a sense of discipline: simply because I’m only hungry that often.
How’d you choose that diet?
It’s a little ironic- I was really feeling awful: firmly in my 50s, topping 275lbs., tired all the time, aches and pains all over. I was finally getting to that place of internal self-loathing that usually motivates me to get in shape. I've done pretty much every diet/fad/whatever over the years. I was planning on going vegan (again).

I called my PCP to get an antibiotic for an ear/sinus infection I was fighting off, and she said "I haven't seen you in 2 years. No Rx unless you come in for a physical." BP was 179/110 and HgbA1c was like 9.7! That was the wake up call I needed. It made the most sense to me, if I didn't want to be diabetic, that I had to cut out carbs. Told my doc I wanted to fix things thru diet, instead of taking metformin or insulin.

Started doing keto and was motivated enough to make it a real lifestyle change. In 3 months, dropped my A1c to 6.3, BP normalized enough to stop taking losartan. I liked the results enough, and was reading/hearing enough about the metabolic physiology of carnivore that I did a 30-day trial. Within 2 weeks, started to feel super human. Kept going on carnivore and never looked back.

My 6 month labs, after going on a 3 week vacation back to the East Coast and having several "carb days" (Who can say no to an authentic cheesesteak, or real East Coast pizza?) my A1c is down to 5.5, fasting glucose was 88, BP runs 130s/80s now, normally. I've increased NEAT activities and gotten progressively more active as my energy levels and mood have improved, but really no workout regimen, either. I am just slowly starting to get into resistance/weight training and stretching because my goal is functional longevity, maximizing lean muscle mass and age-proofing.

My father is a retired fireman who has a chronic bad back from a couple of injuries. He’s had multiple procedures on his neck and back with no relief for years. He was beginning to give up and started doing his own online research and someone suggested he try doing carnivore to reduce his inflammation. He figured it couldn’t hurt and he’s dropped 40 pounds and most of his pain is gone. Anecdotal for sure but given how much pain I know he was in I figure it’s worth it especially given his weight loss too.

Good luck.
I’d encourage it! It works amazingly well, and the benefits I feel doing it really are unlike any other way if eating I’ve ever done.

I remember you posting about doing keto before and losing a bunch of weight. Carnivore is keto on steroids. within a week, food cravings are gone. The days I ate carbs back in Philly? Food cravings all over the place. If I had any question in my mind that sugar/carbs are addictive as a lot of the hardcore drugs, I no longer do.
 
I’ve lost 60+ lbs since mid-January and reversed my Type 2 Diabetes following the carnivore diet.

It’s reduced anxiety/depression, improved my mental clarity, skyrocketed my mental acuity, increased libido, normalized all my bloodwork, and eliminated any food cravings. I usually eat once per day, but not out of a sense of discipline: simply because I’m only hungry that often.
How’d you choose that diet?
It’s a little ironic- I was really feeling awful: firmly in my 50s, topping 275lbs., tired all the time, aches and pains all over. I was finally getting to that place of internal self-loathing that usually motivates me to get in shape. I've done pretty much every diet/fad/whatever over the years. I was planning on going vegan (again).

I called my PCP to get an antibiotic for an ear/sinus infection I was fighting off, and she said "I haven't seen you in 2 years. No Rx unless you come in for a physical." BP was 179/110 and HgbA1c was like 9.7! That was the wake up call I needed. It made the most sense to me, if I didn't want to be diabetic, that I had to cut out carbs. Told my doc I wanted to fix things thru diet, instead of taking metformin or insulin.

Started doing keto and was motivated enough to make it a real lifestyle change. In 3 months, dropped my A1c to 6.3, BP normalized enough to stop taking losartan. I liked the results enough, and was reading/hearing enough about the metabolic physiology of carnivore that I did a 30-day trial. Within 2 weeks, started to feel super human. Kept going on carnivore and never looked back.

My 6 month labs, after going on a 3 week vacation back to the East Coast and having several "carb days" (Who can say no to an authentic cheesesteak, or real East Coast pizza?) my A1c is down to 5.5, fasting glucose was 88, BP runs 130s/80s now, normally. I've increased NEAT activities and gotten progressively more active as my energy levels and mood have improved, but really no workout regimen, either. I am just slowly starting to get into resistance/weight training and stretching because my goal is functional longevity, maximizing lean muscle mass and age-proofing.

My father is a retired fireman who has a chronic bad back from a couple of injuries. He’s had multiple procedures on his neck and back with no relief for years. He was beginning to give up and started doing his own online research and someone suggested he try doing carnivore to reduce his inflammation. He figured it couldn’t hurt and he’s dropped 40 pounds and most of his pain is gone. Anecdotal for sure but given how much pain I know he was in I figure it’s worth it especially given his weight loss too.

Good luck.
FTR, adipose tissue (fat) is pro-inflammatory, so any diet which promotes loss of body fat will reduce inflammation. Moreover, weight-bearing joints tend to feel better when they’re hauling around less.

That said, is there a biologically plausible mechanism, or any research suggesting carnivore diets are less-inflammatory than plant-based ones? I’m not talking about ultraprocessed foods, which people erroneously equate with “carbs”, rather, fresh fruits, veggies, nuts, and seeds.

Also, it seems like it would be pretty tough to maintain adequate fiber and micronutrients while avoiding eating plants. Are supplements a part of the typical carnivore diet?
 
Are supplements a part of the typical carnivore diet?
The carnivore bowel is much different than humans. Carnivores have a short, smooth, stovepipe shape compared to our much longer, puckering, pouched shape, with a twisted, convoluted pathway. Carnivores need very little fiber to move things along. Cats that are wild predators usually eat the organs, including stomach, blood, and some bone first from their kill
 
I’ve lost 60+ lbs since mid-January and reversed my Type 2 Diabetes following the carnivore diet.

It’s reduced anxiety/depression, improved my mental clarity, skyrocketed my mental acuity, increased libido, normalized all my bloodwork, and eliminated any food cravings. I usually eat once per day, but not out of a sense of discipline: simply because I’m only hungry that often.
How’d you choose that diet?
It’s a little ironic- I was really feeling awful: firmly in my 50s, topping 275lbs., tired all the time, aches and pains all over. I was finally getting to that place of internal self-loathing that usually motivates me to get in shape. I've done pretty much every diet/fad/whatever over the years. I was planning on going vegan (again).

I called my PCP to get an antibiotic for an ear/sinus infection I was fighting off, and she said "I haven't seen you in 2 years. No Rx unless you come in for a physical." BP was 179/110 and HgbA1c was like 9.7! That was the wake up call I needed. It made the most sense to me, if I didn't want to be diabetic, that I had to cut out carbs. Told my doc I wanted to fix things thru diet, instead of taking metformin or insulin.

Started doing keto and was motivated enough to make it a real lifestyle change. In 3 months, dropped my A1c to 6.3, BP normalized enough to stop taking losartan. I liked the results enough, and was reading/hearing enough about the metabolic physiology of carnivore that I did a 30-day trial. Within 2 weeks, started to feel super human. Kept going on carnivore and never looked back.

My 6 month labs, after going on a 3 week vacation back to the East Coast and having several "carb days" (Who can say no to an authentic cheesesteak, or real East Coast pizza?) my A1c is down to 5.5, fasting glucose was 88, BP runs 130s/80s now, normally. I've increased NEAT activities and gotten progressively more active as my energy levels and mood have improved, but really no workout regimen, either. I am just slowly starting to get into resistance/weight training and stretching because my goal is functional longevity, maximizing lean muscle mass and age-proofing.

My father is a retired fireman who has a chronic bad back from a couple of injuries. He’s had multiple procedures on his neck and back with no relief for years. He was beginning to give up and started doing his own online research and someone suggested he try doing carnivore to reduce his inflammation. He figured it couldn’t hurt and he’s dropped 40 pounds and most of his pain is gone. Anecdotal for sure but given how much pain I know he was in I figure it’s worth it especially given his weight loss too.

Good luck.
FTR, adipose tissue (fat) is pro-inflammatory, so any diet which promotes loss of body fat will reduce inflammation. Moreover, weight-bearing joints tend to feel better when they’re hauling around less.

That said, is there a biologically plausible mechanism, or any research suggesting carnivore diets are less-inflammatory than plant-based ones? I’m not talking about ultraprocessed foods, which people erroneously equate with “carbs”, rather, fresh fruits, veggies, nuts, and seeds.

Also, it seems like it would be pretty tough to maintain adequate fiber and micronutrients while avoiding eating plants. Are supplements a part of the typical carnivore diet?

Unfortunately, I don’t know any of the answers here. Never done it or researched it. I’ve wondered about any issues but he seems happy with his results. I think he also had blood work done and was all good. His only focus was pain management so my guess is if he’s constipated it’s a trade off he’s going to make.
 
Are supplements a part of the typical carnivore diet?
The carnivore bowel is much different than humans. Carnivores have a short, smooth, stovepipe shape compared to our much longer, puckering, pouched shape, with a twisted, convoluted pathway. Carnivores need very little fiber to move things along. Cats that are wild predators usually eat the organs, including stomach, blood, and some bone first from their kill
Yes, I realize the physiologic justification for the diet is dicey, at best. Humans evolved from herbivores, with anatomy best suited for an omnivorous diet. That's probably why diets at the extremes - strict carnivore and veganism, are prone to be lacking in one or more nutrients.

With vegans, it's a few amino acids and vitamin B-12; with carnivores, it's fiber and a couple minerals (magnesium? and iodine). Though it takes some effort, almost all of those can be overcome within the confines of a strictly-plant or animal product diet.

The lone exception: fiber, technically a carbohydrate, is off-limits to those who are exclusively carnivore.

But fiber is undeniably essential to gut health, acting as a prebiotic for a healthy microbiome, promoting satiety and regular bowel movements. Adequate intake also reduces the risk of heart disease, diabetes, diverticulosis and a couple types of cancer. Seems like a bad thing to eliminate completely from the diet. Which is why I asked about supplements.

Now, for some people it's possible the benefits of weight loss attained through a sustained carnivore diet more than offset the downsides of excluding plants. But given what we know about the healthfulness of plant-based diets, in part due to high fiber content, I'd reserve carnivorism for those who have failed more evidence-based alternatives.

ETA To be clear, when I asked about carnivores, I meant humans consuming a carnivore diet, not other carnivorous animals.
 
I’ve lost 60+ lbs since mid-January and reversed my Type 2 Diabetes following the carnivore diet.

It’s reduced anxiety/depression, improved my mental clarity, skyrocketed my mental acuity, increased libido, normalized all my bloodwork, and eliminated any food cravings. I usually eat once per day, but not out of a sense of discipline: simply because I’m only hungry that often.
How’d you choose that diet?
It’s a little ironic- I was really feeling awful: firmly in my 50s, topping 275lbs., tired all the time, aches and pains all over. I was finally getting to that place of internal self-loathing that usually motivates me to get in shape. I've done pretty much every diet/fad/whatever over the years. I was planning on going vegan (again).

I called my PCP to get an antibiotic for an ear/sinus infection I was fighting off, and she said "I haven't seen you in 2 years. No Rx unless you come in for a physical." BP was 179/110 and HgbA1c was like 9.7! That was the wake up call I needed. It made the most sense to me, if I didn't want to be diabetic, that I had to cut out carbs. Told my doc I wanted to fix things thru diet, instead of taking metformin or insulin.

Started doing keto and was motivated enough to make it a real lifestyle change. In 3 months, dropped my A1c to 6.3, BP normalized enough to stop taking losartan. I liked the results enough, and was reading/hearing enough about the metabolic physiology of carnivore that I did a 30-day trial. Within 2 weeks, started to feel super human. Kept going on carnivore and never looked back.

My 6 month labs, after going on a 3 week vacation back to the East Coast and having several "carb days" (Who can say no to an authentic cheesesteak, or real East Coast pizza?) my A1c is down to 5.5, fasting glucose was 88, BP runs 130s/80s now, normally. I've increased NEAT activities and gotten progressively more active as my energy levels and mood have improved, but really no workout regimen, either. I am just slowly starting to get into resistance/weight training and stretching because my goal is functional longevity, maximizing lean muscle mass and age-proofing.

My father is a retired fireman who has a chronic bad back from a couple of injuries. He’s had multiple procedures on his neck and back with no relief for years. He was beginning to give up and started doing his own online research and someone suggested he try doing carnivore to reduce his inflammation. He figured it couldn’t hurt and he’s dropped 40 pounds and most of his pain is gone. Anecdotal for sure but given how much pain I know he was in I figure it’s worth it especially given his weight loss too.

Good luck.
FTR, adipose tissue (fat) is pro-inflammatory, so any diet which promotes loss of body fat will reduce inflammation. Moreover, weight-bearing joints tend to feel better when they’re hauling around less.

That said, is there a biologically plausible mechanism, or any research suggesting carnivore diets are less-inflammatory than plant-based ones? I’m not talking about ultraprocessed foods, which people erroneously equate with “carbs”, rather, fresh fruits, veggies, nuts, and seeds.

Also, it seems like it would be pretty tough to maintain adequate fiber and micronutrients while avoiding eating plants. Are supplements a part of the typical carnivore diet?
I'm grateful for your replies, and for the chance to have an honest, open discussion about what constitutes the "optimal" diet for a human being. Knowing your background and education level, I was actually kinda hoping you'd chime in and fact check me if I've bought into concepts that don't carry scientific water. There is a lot to unpack here, so I'll start a new thread, so I don't hijack this one.
 
F our weeks completed today.

I'm down 13 lbs.

Dosage increases from 0.2mg to 0.4mg , for next four weeks.

This will be interesting because I'm 9 lbs away from a weight I've plateaued at so many times and could never break through.
 
I’ve lost 60+ lbs since mid-January and reversed my Type 2 Diabetes following the carnivore diet.

It’s reduced anxiety/depression, improved my mental clarity, skyrocketed my mental acuity, increased libido, normalized all my bloodwork, and eliminated any food cravings. I usually eat once per day, but not out of a sense of discipline: simply because I’m only hungry that often.
How’d you choose that diet?
It’s a little ironic- I was really feeling awful: firmly in my 50s, topping 275lbs., tired all the time, aches and pains all over. I was finally getting to that place of internal self-loathing that usually motivates me to get in shape. I've done pretty much every diet/fad/whatever over the years. I was planning on going vegan (again).

I called my PCP to get an antibiotic for an ear/sinus infection I was fighting off, and she said "I haven't seen you in 2 years. No Rx unless you come in for a physical." BP was 179/110 and HgbA1c was like 9.7! That was the wake up call I needed. It made the most sense to me, if I didn't want to be diabetic, that I had to cut out carbs. Told my doc I wanted to fix things thru diet, instead of taking metformin or insulin.

Started doing keto and was motivated enough to make it a real lifestyle change. In 3 months, dropped my A1c to 6.3, BP normalized enough to stop taking losartan. I liked the results enough, and was reading/hearing enough about the metabolic physiology of carnivore that I did a 30-day trial. Within 2 weeks, started to feel super human. Kept going on carnivore and never looked back.

My 6 month labs, after going on a 3 week vacation back to the East Coast and having several "carb days" (Who can say no to an authentic cheesesteak, or real East Coast pizza?) my A1c is down to 5.5, fasting glucose was 88, BP runs 130s/80s now, normally. I've increased NEAT activities and gotten progressively more active as my energy levels and mood have improved, but really no workout regimen, either. I am just slowly starting to get into resistance/weight training and stretching because my goal is functional longevity, maximizing lean muscle mass and age-proofing.

My father is a retired fireman who has a chronic bad back from a couple of injuries. He’s had multiple procedures on his neck and back with no relief for years. He was beginning to give up and started doing his own online research and someone suggested he try doing carnivore to reduce his inflammation. He figured it couldn’t hurt and he’s dropped 40 pounds and most of his pain is gone. Anecdotal for sure but given how much pain I know he was in I figure it’s worth it especially given his weight loss too.

Good luck.

That's super interesting as it seems like I hear stories like this frequently praising the carnivore diet.
 
I’ve lost 60+ lbs since mid-January and reversed my Type 2 Diabetes following the carnivore diet.

It’s reduced anxiety/depression, improved my mental clarity, skyrocketed my mental acuity, increased libido, normalized all my bloodwork, and eliminated any food cravings. I usually eat once per day, but not out of a sense of discipline: simply because I’m only hungry that often.
How’d you choose that diet?
It’s a little ironic- I was really feeling awful: firmly in my 50s, topping 275lbs., tired all the time, aches and pains all over. I was finally getting to that place of internal self-loathing that usually motivates me to get in shape. I've done pretty much every diet/fad/whatever over the years. I was planning on going vegan (again).

I called my PCP to get an antibiotic for an ear/sinus infection I was fighting off, and she said "I haven't seen you in 2 years. No Rx unless you come in for a physical." BP was 179/110 and HgbA1c was like 9.7! That was the wake up call I needed. It made the most sense to me, if I didn't want to be diabetic, that I had to cut out carbs. Told my doc I wanted to fix things thru diet, instead of taking metformin or insulin.

Started doing keto and was motivated enough to make it a real lifestyle change. In 3 months, dropped my A1c to 6.3, BP normalized enough to stop taking losartan. I liked the results enough, and was reading/hearing enough about the metabolic physiology of carnivore that I did a 30-day trial. Within 2 weeks, started to feel super human. Kept going on carnivore and never looked back.

My 6 month labs, after going on a 3 week vacation back to the East Coast and having several "carb days" (Who can say no to an authentic cheesesteak, or real East Coast pizza?) my A1c is down to 5.5, fasting glucose was 88, BP runs 130s/80s now, normally. I've increased NEAT activities and gotten progressively more active as my energy levels and mood have improved, but really no workout regimen, either. I am just slowly starting to get into resistance/weight training and stretching because my goal is functional longevity, maximizing lean muscle mass and age-proofing.

My father is a retired fireman who has a chronic bad back from a couple of injuries. He’s had multiple procedures on his neck and back with no relief for years. He was beginning to give up and started doing his own online research and someone suggested he try doing carnivore to reduce his inflammation. He figured it couldn’t hurt and he’s dropped 40 pounds and most of his pain is gone. Anecdotal for sure but given how much pain I know he was in I figure it’s worth it especially given his weight loss too.

Good luck.

That's super interesting as it seems like I hear stories like this frequently praising the carnivore diet.

Yeah - I’m not advocating it as it seems odd to me that it “works” and definitely seems like you would need vitamin or supplements to get some things you need on your diet. But I lean more towards low carbs than most in here.
 
Read somewhere that "using Ozempic for weight loss requires careful consideration and consultation with healthcare professionals". I have a better recommendation: don't use it at all.

It's not surprising that there are a LOT of lawsuits filed against the manufacturer, as shown on this law firm's page. If you care about your health, you shouldn't use any such weight loss supplements. Do it the old-fashioned way: diet and sport.
 
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It looks like Oura is rolling out VO2 testing on the rings now too.
A little more info on oura including how it compares to Garmin and lab tests.


I did the walk test yesterday and was pretty happy that my score went up and was only 1 below what they consider "peak" for my age group.
 
It looks like Oura is rolling out VO2 testing on the rings now too.
A little more info on oura including how it compares to Garmin and lab tests.


I did the walk test yesterday and was pretty happy that my score went up and was only 1 below what they consider "peak" for my age group.
What the “peak” VO2 max goal for a 52 year old man, per Oura.?
 
It looks like Oura is rolling out VO2 testing on the rings now too.
A little more info on oura including how it compares to Garmin and lab tests.


I did the walk test yesterday and was pretty happy that my score went up and was only 1 below what they consider "peak" for my age group.
What the “peak” VO2 max goal for a 52 year old man, per Oura.?
>41


So if his 45 on oura compared to a 52 on Garmin/51 in the lab, 41 should be about 46.5 which is 90th percentile on the chart from marathon handbook.
 
It looks like Oura is rolling out VO2 testing on the rings now too.
A little more info on oura including how it compares to Garmin and lab tests.


I did the walk test yesterday and was pretty happy that my score went up and was only 1 below what they consider "peak" for my age group.
What the “peak” VO2 max goal for a 52 year old man, per Oura.?
>41


So if his 45 on oura compared to a 52 on Garmin/51 in the lab, 41 should be about 46.5 which is 90th percentile on the chart from marathon handbook.
Pretty happy for my 36.2 then.
 
Unexpected news out of the European Society of Cardiology: Wegovy (the obesity-indication dose of semaglutide) was associated with reduced risk for death or serious adverse events from COVID-19 in the SELECT trial, whose main purpose was to determine its effect on cardiovascular outcomes in people with obesity and heart disease.

It didn’t prevent people from getting Covid, but did make them less likely to die, go on a ventilator, etc.

Do we know how it accomplished that? As with almost everything else it does, not really.

 
It looks like Oura is rolling out VO2 testing on the rings now too.
A little more info on oura including how it compares to Garmin and lab tests.


I did the walk test yesterday and was pretty happy that my score went up and was only 1 below what they consider "peak" for my age group.
Did another test I found online, 2000M rowing (about killed me ;) ), and got a result very similar (slightly improved) to the Oura walk test.
 
Do we know how it accomplished that? As with almost everything else it does, not really.

They’re going to find out something bad about this drug. I swear. Give ‘em enough time. Because right now it’s an aid to addiction, weight loss, dementia, COVID morbidity, and other things I’m probably forgetting.

I :love: my drug. Still hovering around 188 pounds or so. Maybe 190, up from 184 a few months ago. Still loving it.
 

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