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***Offical Chicago Bears 2009 Offseason Thread*** (1 Viewer)
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3nOut
Footballguy
I think re-signings, such as Kevin Jones, are just as important. Free Agency is still far from over. I keep waivering on Leftwich. Yes we should, no we shouldn't. But at this point, since noone else seems interested in him, the Bears could get him at a decent price. They can keep Bassanet for summer camps but I don't think he will be much of an asset. Hanie is the one guy I'm curious abut, but if he doesn't pan out, we got nothing behind Orton. If the Bears sign Leftwich and make a run at Hlt or pickup another WR in the likes of Tory Holt (if released) or even Koren Robinson (for depth), I think we would have done OK in FA.
RexGrossman Fan
Footballguy
That would be great also, but it's not going to happen.
3nOut
Footballguy
Never say never Rex. Last year, everyone said there was no way the Bears would sign Kevin Jones but they did. I think I'd also like the bEars to sign Pace. couldn't hurt, I suppose, depending on the Price.That would be great also, but it's not going to happen.
RexGrossman Fan
Footballguy
With their recent comments on the subject and past history of complacency, I'm not holding my breathe.3nOut said:Never say never Rex. Last year, everyone said there was no way the Bears would sign Kevin Jones but they did. I think I'd also like the bEars to sign Pace. couldn't hurt, I suppose, depending on the Price.That would be great also, but it's not going to happen.
DoubleG
Footballguy
You do realize that Angelo was the one who traded away these fine specimens of offensive firepower, right?You also realize that Wade has averaged just over 400 receiving yards a year in his illustrious career and 1.17 TDs per season - Gage barely cracked the top 60 WRs in receptions last year with 44 - but he has averaged 2 TDs per season. Bradley put up up a whopping 380 receiving yards last year (but it was his career high). Your defenition of "production" is fairly different then mine. WRs who can't crack 500 yards and handful of TDs in an average season are hardly going to keep an opposing defense honest. Then the Bears wonder why their young stud RB (and I do think he is...or could be at least) only averaged 3.9 YPC.Marc Colombo has been pretty decent for the Cowboys. I guess we should blame Jerry for his injury tooChillout nimrod - my point was that Angelo couldn't draft offensive talent (in the positions the Bears need) to save his life - his track record has proven that. If you would like to try to make a point to the contrary, please feel free to do so...and try to actually use facts.Angelo has only shown anyything close to player evaluation abilities in the draft when it comes to the defensive side of the ball (i.e. Mark Anderson, Daniel Manning, etc.) The WR's, and OL he's drafted don't even see the field, let alone contribute significantly. Since you are apparently the expert to all things GM, then you realize the O-line is the most important aspect of the offense. If you would be so kind as to name a single decent and productive O-lineman that JA has drafted...Yeah, we hope a genius like you instead makes draft picks for the Bears. I love arm chair GMs who have no clue about the NFL spouting off .... hope you have your resume ready to be GM.
Or maybe he should just draft mediocre QBs and WRs like crazy hoping something develops, ignoring the defensive and offensive lines, as that plan worked so well for the Detroit Lions.Justin Gage, Mark Bradley and Bobby Wade have produced with the teams they have been on since leaving the Bears. Berrian has produced with the Bears and with the Vikings.
Also, Mark Anderson is not someone I would use when trying to prove that Jerry knows D. He had one good year and has disappeared since.
Love how you cannot see facts. Typical know-it-all fan!!!
Berrian, I'll give you - and restate that it was Angelo who had a major hand in not re-signing him.
It's really too bad, becuase it would be fun to see what Forte would look like with real offensive threats around him (or what even Orton could do with a real WR or two). When your RB and TEs lead your team in receptions...well, let's just say it aint becuase JA has stocked the stable full of great WRs.
Oh and on Mark Anderson - I'll give you had 12 sacks in year 1 (proves he has talent) - but then JA ran the DC, Chico, out of town and let Lovie bring BuddyBob Babich (who has virtually been stripped of his play calling power - and had his D-Line coach replaced). So we shall see if Anderson is talented and just misused last year.
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
Quote from you: "Angelo couldn't draft offensive talent"Quote from you: "You do realize that Angelo was the one who traded away these fine specimens of offensive firepower, right?"You do realize that Angelo was the one who traded away these fine specimens of offensive firepower, right?You also realize that Wade has averaged just over 400 receiving yards a year in his illustrious career and 1.17 TDs per season - Gage barely cracked the top 60 WRs in receptions last year with 44 - but he has averaged 2 TDs per season. Bradley put up up a whopping 380 receiving yards last year (but it was his career high). Your defenition of "production" is fairly different then mine. WRs who can't crack 500 yards and handful of TDs in an average season are hardly going to keep an opposing defense honest. Then the Bears wonder why their young stud RB (and I do think he is...or could be at least) only averaged 3.9 YPC.Marc Colombo has been pretty decent for the Cowboys. I guess we should blame Jerry for his injury tooChillout nimrod - my point was that Angelo couldn't draft offensive talent (in the positions the Bears need) to save his life - his track record has proven that. If you would like to try to make a point to the contrary, please feel free to do so...and try to actually use facts.Angelo has only shown anyything close to player evaluation abilities in the draft when it comes to the defensive side of the ball (i.e. Mark Anderson, Daniel Manning, etc.) The WR's, and OL he's drafted don't even see the field, let alone contribute significantly. Since you are apparently the expert to all things GM, then you realize the O-line is the most important aspect of the offense. If you would be so kind as to name a single decent and productive O-lineman that JA has drafted...Yeah, we hope a genius like you instead makes draft picks for the Bears. I love arm chair GMs who have no clue about the NFL spouting off .... hope you have your resume ready to be GM.
Or maybe he should just draft mediocre QBs and WRs like crazy hoping something develops, ignoring the defensive and offensive lines, as that plan worked so well for the Detroit Lions.
Also, Mark Anderson is not someone I would use when trying to prove that Jerry knows D. He had one good year and has disappeared since.
Love how you cannot see facts. Typical know-it-all fan!!!
Berrian, I'll give you - and restate that it was Angelo who had a major hand in not re-signing him.
It's really too bad, becuase it would be fun to see what Forte would look like with real offensive threats around him (or what even Orton could do with a real WR or two). When your RB and TEs lead your team in receptions...well, let's just say it aint becuase JA has stocked the stable full of great WRs.
Oh and on Mark Anderson - I'll give you had 12 sacks in year 1 (proves he has talent) - but then JA ran the DC, Chico, out of town and let Lovie bring BuddyBob Babich (who has virtually been stripped of his play calling power - and had his D-Line coach replaced). So we shall see if Anderson is talented and just misused last year.
Quote from you: "The WR's, and OL he's drafted don't even see the field"
Quote from you: "and try to actually use facts."
Consistency!!
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RexGrossman Fan
Footballguy
Enough of this crap. 
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
Frank assessment: While the Bears have been criticized for being largely inactive in free agency, one of the players they did sign—offensive lineman Frank Omiyale—might be a bit better than a lot of people realize.
"I thought he was a pretty good talent," one general manager said of Omiyale, who will line up at left guard at mini-camp this week. "He could be a starter. He has developed, his body has developed. I think he's more of a left tackle, but could be tackle or guard. It's a good signing."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/footb...,3289754.column
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What is this NFL GM thinking? Doesn't he have a clue that since some Joe Six Pack on a football message board said this signing sucks, it means it sucks?
If only this GM would consult with some of the know-it-alls on this message board.
"I thought he was a pretty good talent," one general manager said of Omiyale, who will line up at left guard at mini-camp this week. "He could be a starter. He has developed, his body has developed. I think he's more of a left tackle, but could be tackle or guard. It's a good signing."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/footb...,3289754.column
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What is this NFL GM thinking? Doesn't he have a clue that since some Joe Six Pack on a football message board said this signing sucks, it means it sucks?
If only this GM would consult with some of the know-it-alls on this message board.
flapgreen
Footballguy
Please inform us the proper way to be discussing our team then. They're making terrible moves and we're upset about it. I'm sorry we don't have some ho hum attitude about things and get excited when they sign some no name lineman like you do. Going by your reasoning, every GM in the league knows exactly what he's doing; but yet, there are so many terrible teams in the league. What happen to their GM? The same thing that's happening to ours. He's making poor moves and eventually just gets canned after the team sucks for a while, which has happened over and over again with the BearsFrank assessment: While the Bears have been criticized for being largely inactive in free agency, one of the players they did sign—offensive lineman Frank Omiyale—might be a bit better than a lot of people realize.
"I thought he was a pretty good talent," one general manager said of Omiyale, who will line up at left guard at mini-camp this week. "He could be a starter. He has developed, his body has developed. I think he's more of a left tackle, but could be tackle or guard. It's a good signing."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/footb...,3289754.column
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What is this NFL GM thinking? Doesn't he have a clue that since some Joe Six Pack on a football message board said this signing sucks, it means it sucks?
If only this GM would consult with some of the know-it-alls on this message board.
Do you feel the need to keep us in line? If it bothers you that much and you feel you have to speak in such a condescending manner, hit the road.
i'll take my timeout now :(
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Max Power
Footballguy
I'll wait till I see him on the field to make an assessment on the guy. What we do know is that this is his 3rd team in the last 3 years and he has one career start. Now the Bears want him to come in and compete for a starting job.Bottom line for the offseason...Frank assessment: While the Bears have been criticized for being largely inactive in free agency, one of the players they did sign—offensive lineman Frank Omiyale—might be a bit better than a lot of people realize.
"I thought he was a pretty good talent," one general manager said of Omiyale, who will line up at left guard at mini-camp this week. "He could be a starter. He has developed, his body has developed. I think he's more of a left tackle, but could be tackle or guard. It's a good signing."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/footb...,3289754.column
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What is this NFL GM thinking? Doesn't he have a clue that since some Joe Six Pack on a football message board said this signing sucks, it means it sucks?
If only this GM would consult with some of the know-it-alls on this message board.
4 starters lost....2 backups signed
Max Power
Footballguy
The Bears released veteran guard Terrence Metcalf on Wednesday, a move that was no suprise considering Metcalf did not make an impact despite being a third-round pick.
He also was suspended last year for violating the league's drug policy, which probably didn't help his status. But the team was more concerned with the knee injury that limited Metcalf's progress at training camp last season. He was slated to start at left guard but lost his spot to Josh Beekman.
Metcalf became somewhat expendable after the Bears signed free agent Frank Omiyale, a player capable of playing either guard or tackle. If the Bears re-sign John St. Clair, Omiyale is likely to work at guard. The Bears like Beekman, so the addition of Omiyale could put some heat on Roberto Garza.
Metcalf had 25 starts in 84 games, far less mileage than the Bears expected to get out of him.
He also was suspended last year for violating the league's drug policy, which probably didn't help his status. But the team was more concerned with the knee injury that limited Metcalf's progress at training camp last season. He was slated to start at left guard but lost his spot to Josh Beekman.
Metcalf became somewhat expendable after the Bears signed free agent Frank Omiyale, a player capable of playing either guard or tackle. If the Bears re-sign John St. Clair, Omiyale is likely to work at guard. The Bears like Beekman, so the addition of Omiyale could put some heat on Roberto Garza.
Metcalf had 25 starts in 84 games, far less mileage than the Bears expected to get out of him.
RBM
Footballguy
Please inform us the proper way to be discussing our team then. They're making terrible moves and we're upset about it. I'm sorry we don't have some ho hum attitude about things and get excited when they sign some no name lineman like you do. Going by your reasoning, every GM in the league knows exactly what he's doing; but yet, there are so many terrible teams in the league. What happen to their GM? The same thing that's happening to ours. He's making poor moves and eventually just gets canned after the team sucks for a while, which has happened over and over again with the BearsFrank assessment: While the Bears have been criticized for being largely inactive in free agency, one of the players they did sign—offensive lineman Frank Omiyale—might be a bit better than a lot of people realize.
"I thought he was a pretty good talent," one general manager said of Omiyale, who will line up at left guard at mini-camp this week. "He could be a starter. He has developed, his body has developed. I think he's more of a left tackle, but could be tackle or guard. It's a good signing."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/footb...,3289754.column
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What is this NFL GM thinking? Doesn't he have a clue that since some Joe Six Pack on a football message board said this signing sucks, it means it sucks?
If only this GM would consult with some of the know-it-alls on this message board.
Do you feel the need to keep us in line? If it bothers you that much and you feel you have to speak in such a condescending manner, hit the road.
Dear Jerry Angelo,
Please pick up the phone and call the Denver Broncos. I am not 100% sure if QB jay Cutler is available, but FIND OUT! The more stuff we hear, the more it sounds like he can be had. The Bears could really use a QB with his ability. Just make the call and find out what it will take to get him to Chicago. If Cutler gets traded to another team for draft picks that the Chicago Bears could of made happen, I will be one pissed off bears fan. I am pretty sure most Bears fans would be pissed as well. Like I said, not sure if he is on the market, but FIND OUT NOW!!!!!!!!!!
Please pick up the phone and call the Denver Broncos. I am not 100% sure if QB jay Cutler is available, but FIND OUT! The more stuff we hear, the more it sounds like he can be had. The Bears could really use a QB with his ability. Just make the call and find out what it will take to get him to Chicago. If Cutler gets traded to another team for draft picks that the Chicago Bears could of made happen, I will be one pissed off bears fan. I am pretty sure most Bears fans would be pissed as well. Like I said, not sure if he is on the market, but FIND OUT NOW!!!!!!!!!!
The Kansas Comet
Footballguy
This team also has a rich tradition of being tightwads no matter what the economic climate. While they've been better about spending lately, the McCaskey family certainly doesn't mind having a reason/excuse for not spending money on FA's. And I can imagine Cutler's contract means the McCaskeys have told Angelo not to pursue him.
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
Yeah, just last off season they extended Urlacher, Hester, Briggs, Des Clark, Orton, Anthony Adams etc and before that extended Vasher, Tillman, Garza, Kreutz, Mike Brown etc etc and have doled out money to FAs like Muhammad, John Tait, Thomas Jones, Fred Miller, Reuben Brown etc ..... but yeah, they are cheap. Funny! The only player they have let go that you can argue should have been kept is Berrian, and maybe Thomas Jones. Other than that, this is just a bunch of clueless fan crying going on regarding spending. What most fans lose sight of when FA comes around is how many players the team extended before they hit FA. And hence the perpetual crying ensues from most fans (not just Bear fans mind you).Sweetness_34
Footballguy
I hope they make an effort to get Cutler too. Very rarely does a young, franchise QB become available. No idea what it will cost though.
maxwelledison
Footballguy
Sweetness, you must be young or you have the Beargoggles on so tight they are cutting off your circulation. This is a franchise that has not won a Super Bowl in 23 years. During that period there has been more turnover and turmoil in the front office than during the first 50 years combined. There has been no sustained success in the past 20 years (the time since MM really got his hands around the neck of the franchise) and the only constant has been the utter incompetence of Virginia's sons. I don't know if you have noticed, but the NFL is now a league with approx. 5 contenders and the rest of the teams play for the scraps and hope to get lucky one in a while. Our Bears are not in the former group and the difference between the two tiers only expands every year.Also, that you cite JA's offensive draft picks as anything other than an example of what not to do is truly bizarre. Have fun rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic; this team won't win anything until the team is sold.
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flapgreen
Footballguy
Damn. Got me again. I'll learn one day. Whoever this is, I fell for the fishing trip again. I can't come here anymore.
Max Power
Footballguy
Sweetness, although you may not see it, your post highlights perfectly what all the fuss is about. 3-4 years ago the Bears spent the money to bring in starting caliber players and what happened? Bears went to the SB. Since then the Team seems content with bringing in second tier talent and hoping for .500. 1 player. Berrian is the only guy in the past half a dozen years the Bears have let go that who was a legit player at the time. Lets combine that to the fact that the Bears were in the bottom third of the league in Offense and Defense. So what does that let us? It tells us that the Bears front office does not do a good job of evaluating talent.Yeah, just last off season they extended Urlacher, Hester, Briggs, Des Clark, Orton, Anthony Adams etc and before that extended Vasher, Tillman, Garza, Kreutz, Mike Brown etc etc and have doled out money to FAs like Muhammad, John Tait, Thomas Jones, Fred Miller, Reuben Brown etc ..... but yeah, they are cheap. Funny!
The only player they have let go that you can argue should have been kept is Berrian, and maybe Thomas Jones. Other than that, this is just a bunch of clueless fan crying going on regarding spending.
What most fans lose sight of when FA comes around is how many players the team extended before they hit FA. And hence the perpetual crying ensues from most fans (not just Bear fans mind you).
A team that can not draft on one side of the ball and refuses to make a splash in FA is destined to be an average team at best.
I hate calling the Bears cheap, but that is really looking like the case these days. The team is sitting on roughly 17mil. For what? I can't remember a time when this team had as many holes at such important positions, only to sit back and wait for the bargins.
ditka85
Footballguy
RBM
Footballguy
Happy that St Clair signed elsewhere. He sucks and the idiots in charge think hes a starting tackle, when really hes just a backup.
Hopefully this clears the way for Britton in the 1st. Then a receiver like Britt or Robiskie in the 2nd, and then the rest of the draft should be defense.
Hopefully this clears the way for Britton in the 1st. Then a receiver like Britt or Robiskie in the 2nd, and then the rest of the draft should be defense.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Fitting the the Official Bears thread would contain a typo in the title.
Warhogs
Footballguy
I'm a Packer fan so maybe I see things a bit differently than most posting in here. I just can't see that as enough to get Cutler. It seems to be that Orton is viewed as very mediocre. This seems like not getting much for Cutler.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
This
Max Power
Footballguy
Fitting the the Official Bears thread would contain a typo in the title.
I was pretty drunk when I started this one. Thanks for pointing that out. I probably never would have caught that.
Max Power
Footballguy
agreed. Bears would probably have to add Hester for this deal to even be considered
William Munny
Footballguy
2nd straight year opening on Sunday night.
At the Packers. Should get off to a 1-0 start
At the Packers. Should get off to a 1-0 start
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
And there are 20 other franchises that have not either....so what? Have fun jumping onto the bandwagon of a team that wins it all every year. If you had a clue, you would know there are 32 teams in the league, so your team statistically should only win a championship once every 32 years. Those are the mathematical facts. But feel free to consider yourself elite enough that you are "entitled" to a championship every year. Whatever makes you feel great about yourself I guess
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
MaxOther than TJ Housh, I really did not see anyone in FA this year that deserved us going after. I would much rather keep the money and use it to extend Forte in a couple of years; Olsen in a year or two; Orton this year (pending how he does this year, I am not sold on him yet) etc.Sweetness, although you may not see it, your post highlights perfectly what all the fuss is about. 3-4 years ago the Bears spent the money to bring in starting caliber players and what happened? Bears went to the SB. Since then the Team seems content with bringing in second tier talent and hoping for .500. 1 player. Berrian is the only guy in the past half a dozen years the Bears have let go that who was a legit player at the time. Lets combine that to the fact that the Bears were in the bottom third of the league in Offense and Defense. So what does that let us? It tells us that the Bears front office does not do a good job of evaluating talent.Yeah, just last off season they extended Urlacher, Hester, Briggs, Des Clark, Orton, Anthony Adams etc and before that extended Vasher, Tillman, Garza, Kreutz, Mike Brown etc etc and have doled out money to FAs like Muhammad, John Tait, Thomas Jones, Fred Miller, Reuben Brown etc ..... but yeah, they are cheap. Funny!
The only player they have let go that you can argue should have been kept is Berrian, and maybe Thomas Jones. Other than that, this is just a bunch of clueless fan crying going on regarding spending.
What most fans lose sight of when FA comes around is how many players the team extended before they hit FA. And hence the perpetual crying ensues from most fans (not just Bear fans mind you).
A team that can not draft on one side of the ball and refuses to make a splash in FA is destined to be an average team at best.
I hate calling the Bears cheap, but that is really looking like the case these days. The team is sitting on roughly 17mil. For what? I can't remember a time when this team had as many holes at such important positions, only to sit back and wait for the bargins.
Coles is maybe the only other person.....but even there, I think Earl Bennett will produce this year (remember Berrian did nothing his 1st year too).
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
William Munny
Footballguy
Thats only because they are being cheap. If he wouldve accepted, he would be starting for us at RT all year, and Angelo probably wouldve waited until the late rounds to draft a tackle. I know how it works around here.
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
Some news on the Bears front that I have not seen on this thread yet:
- Bears get extra 3rd round pick and 2 extra 7th round picks as compensation for the players lost in FA last year (Berrian; John Gilmore; Ayenbadejo)
This means we have 4 picks in the top 3 rounds.....good enough to get us a OT, WR, FS and DE.....those would be the 4 positions I would focus on with those picks. With this draft being deep at WR, we could get a WR in the 4th round too.
- Bears get extra 3rd round pick and 2 extra 7th round picks as compensation for the players lost in FA last year (Berrian; John Gilmore; Ayenbadejo)
This means we have 4 picks in the top 3 rounds.....good enough to get us a OT, WR, FS and DE.....those would be the 4 positions I would focus on with those picks. With this draft being deep at WR, we could get a WR in the 4th round too.
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
Yeah because last year they wait to draft a OT in the 7th round
"I know how it works around here." 
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Sweetness_34
Footballguy
But Max, all of those players they got in FA like Reuben Brown, Fred Miller, Thomas Jones, Adams, Garza etc were not expensive FAs. They were bargains and they were signed or traded for because they represented VALUE.....it is all about VALUE. Only exception was Muhsin Muhmmad who they overpaid for because they targetted him at the start of FA and he was wanted by other teams too. While they signed Thomas Jones on the eve of FA, he was not really wanted anywhere else except maybe Tampa itself, and he was not signed to a big deal. It was a 4 years 15M or so deal....
Yeah, just last off season they extended Urlacher, Hester, Briggs, Des Clark, Orton, Anthony Adams etc and before that extended Vasher, Tillman, Garza, Kreutz, Mike Brown etc etc and have doled out money to FAs like Muhammad, John Tait, Thomas Jones, Fred Miller, Reuben Brown etc ..... but yeah, they are cheap. Funny!
William Munny
Footballguy
And it was 3 or 4 yrs too late. So instead of grooming young tackles to take over when needed, we were limping around the last couple of years with old guys who had played their best football, like Miller and Tait.Dont get me started on the pathetic guard situation. Garza, Metcalf, St Clair, and now the soft Beekman. Angelo is always a day late and a dollar short.Sweetness_34 said:Yeah because last year they wait to draft a OT in the 7th roundWilliam Munny said:
Bears agree to terms with Kevin Shaffer, ex-Browns tackle.
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune....in-shaffer.html
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune....in-shaffer.html
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Max Power
Footballguy
finally a step in the right direction. Not on Taits level talent wise, but he is 5 yrs younger and files a huge hole. Looks like a WR is more likely in rd1 now.
Good signing
William Munny
Footballguy
I like it. Good run blocker
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Shouldn't that be a no brainer for the Bears? I mean, if Cutler is available only a complete moron would say 'no thanks, we are good with Orton and Grossman'. A big problem for the Bears is what would they trade? And then if they get a real QB that kind of means that they need to get some real WR's too- this Hester #1 crap just can not fly. I mean, now? Who cares- it is not like you are going to have a real passing game anways but if you get a high talent QB in but still have this crap called a WR corps... well, that is like buying $5K rims to put on your car that is worth about $500.
