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***Official '16-'17 NHL Season Discussion Thread*** (1 Viewer)
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Billy Bats
Footballguy
Was weird, was playing 20+ min a night in every preseason game and looked like a five year vet. Then started out the reg season with a couple shaky games early on including a minus 5 stinker against Chicago looking every bit a rook(Taves and Kane can do that to ya). Since that game has settled in nicely the last four and is back to looking pretty good. He's not flashy but makes steady, veteran plays you wouldn't expect from a rook. Very calm and smart with the puck, kind of reminds me of Kimmo Timmonen with his size and play.
IC FBGCav
Footballguy
Dickie Dunn
Footballguy
Former NoDak goalie Zane McIntyre will start for the Bruins tonight at MSG ... their fourth different starter in the last four games. Wonder the last time that happened, if ever.
Northern Voice
Footballguy
Hampus Lindholm gets 6 years/31.5 million. Less than Ristolainen, good deal for Anaheim.
Foosball God
Foos
Northern Voice
Footballguy
They're 1.4M over, Lindholm won't make it for 10-14 days. Will be interesting to see what happens. Cam Fowler being traded is still the big rumor. I think that's a huge mistake.
AcerFC
Footballguy
Foosball God
Foos
There were some rumors for the Wings too with Mantha or Svechnikov plus someone like Smith. I don't like that deal even though Detroit needs good defensemen. I don't think Fowler is a #1 D and that is what the Wings really need.
Northern Voice
Footballguy
There have been James Van Riemsdyk for Fowler rumours around Toronto for months but they don't really make sense to me. For one thing, JVR's cap hit is higher than Fowler's and the Leafs are up against the cap, so it seems like a non-starter. The speculation is that Anaheim with Perry/Getzlaf/Kesler aging have to be going for it and will ask for a solid NHL player in return for Fowler, they can't dump him for picks/prospects.
The flip side is everyone knows they have to make a trade and they have terrible contracts like Kesler, Stoner and Bieksa that really limit their options. They also have a lot of guys making near the league minimum on their roster. Almost all their forwards are making the league minimum or have no trade clauses, here's their cap info. I feel like someone is going to get a steal in Fowler. He's a top pairing guy IMO.
that is a good deal for them.
however, they still gave Bieksa a no movement clause so they have to keep him and trade Fowler rather than lose him in the expansion draft.
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Foosball God
Foos
I don't disagree with that. I just don't think he really should be a bonafide number 1.
He played like a #1 last year for Anaheim. Clearly a good top-pairing defenseman. Seems odd to worry about whether he's a #1 or #2 when he's better than any other option you have.
I'd love to see the Sabres make a run at him, but not sure what the price would be. I love Girgensons, but would be ok with moving him in a deal for Fowler.
Interesting that McIlrath was just placed on waivers. Same guy the Rangers drafted instead of Fowler in one of the dumbest decisions i could remember.
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RUSF18
Footballguy
Don't forget about Tarasenko too.
While I agree it's not defensible, and was clear evidence of Sather and co not thinking about where the NHL was going in the coming years, I think McIlrath could and would be pretty good elsewhere. No higher than a 2nd pairing ceiling of course but AV has less than zero interest in playing him anywhere despite Gorton being a believer.
Northern Voice
Footballguy
I think Fowler is a better player than Miller but I also think Anaheim will be lucky to get someone that good for Fowler given the situation they've put themselves in.
back in 2010, the KHL was a real threat to keep players like Tarasenko and Kuznetsov away so a lot of NHL teams were scared to draft those guys.
Fowler was basically considered the top defenseman in the draft, and should have been a no brainer for the Rangers at 10. They went after a guy who could fight better than he could skate instead. Everybody knew it was a mistake the instant the pick was made.
RUSF18
Footballguy
RUSF18
Footballguy
I'm fairly confident we've had this discussion about the McIlrath pick several times before, and every time I politely ask you to not remind me about it.
And while it was terrible logic, I believe they thought they had their offensive d-man in Michael Del Zotto and thought it was right to take McIlrath to be the Beukeboom to DZ's Leetch.
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Chemical X
Footballguy
As I watch the infinitely forgettable Kevin Hayes play center, take faceoffs and play on the PP, I cant help but think he is being showcased in a package for Trouba or Fowler. Gotta believe the NYR can trick a franchise like WPG into thinking he has value.
The expansion draft is funky and defence is gonna be at a premium.
The expansion draft is funky and defence is gonna be at a premium.
Chemical X
Footballguy
RUSF18
Footballguy
I agree. And I think they would have been able to trade him for something if the entire league didn't know that the Rangers would eventually have to waive him because the coach wasn't going to play him.
RUSF18
Footballguy
My memory is a little fuzzy but I think his lack of a real future was well known by the 2010 draft.
Northern Voice
Footballguy
Craig Anderson indefinite leave of absence...
Chemical X
Footballguy
well played
Chemical X
Footballguy
RUSF18
Footballguy
Foosball God
Foos
RUSF18
Footballguy
Nah before he got hurt he had potential. Even though going goalie in the first round is generally dumb, not even close to being a worse pick than Jessiman.
Chemical X
Footballguy
I was going to correct my post that it wasn't so much a bad pick as a horrible way to develop a goalie. They burned him out pretty good.
Pavel Brendl?
Zegras11
Footballguy
And it appears putting Nate Thompson and Despres on LTIR has them under the cap. Fowler is playing wayyyyyyyyyyy better then he's ever played.
Northern Voice
Footballguy
This quote re: Despres is kind of scary
And it appears putting Nate Thompson and Despres on LTIR has them under the cap. Fowler is playing wayyyyyyyyyyy better then he's ever played.
"The Despres situation is one that's a very sensitive issue and it's one that my whole goal is to hopefully make it so Simon in the end of all this lives a happy, healthy, normal life and it's going to take some time before we get to that point, Really that's all I want to say on this time on that because it is sensitive and I feel real bad for Simon. "
RUSF18
Footballguy
The Pavel Brendl/Jamie Lundmark rookie duo* KILLED for me in NHL 99 so I'm not sure what you mean
*- the versions created by my 16 yo self
chet
Footballguy
Dickie Dunn
Footballguy
Jessiman really stands out like a sore thumb in the upper middle of that '03 draft.
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