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***Official '16-'17 NHL Season Discussion Thread*** (1 Viewer)

Dickie Dunn said:
While they're tops in Corsi, they're near the bottom in shooting percentage. Those may seem to be at odds with each other, but the shots never seem to come from the right spots. I'm pretty sure they're ranked near the bottom, if not right on it, in scoring opportunities as well. So is that the players not going to the "dirty" areas, or the system? Or do they go hand in hand?
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no, they're near the top if not number one

 
Per http://www.corsica.hockey/teams/

Boston ranks 6th in expected Goals and 1st in Expected Goals For % (Percentage of all Expected Goals Scored by a Team)

Boston ranks 20th in Scoring Chances For and 5th in Scoring Chances For % (Percentage of all Scoring Chances For a Team) because they also rank 3rd in fewest scoring opportunities allowed.

They do rank dead last in CSh% (% of shot attempts that are goals) and 26th in CSv% (% of shots attempts allowed that are goals). Worst PDO in the league, and just a tiny fraction worse than Colorado.

 
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Aaron Rudnicki said:
Per http://www.corsica.hockey/teams/

Boston ranks 6th in expected Goals and 1st in Expected Goals For % (Percentage of all Expected Goals Scored by a Team)

Boston ranks 20th in Scoring Chances For and 5th in Scoring Chances For % (Percentage of all Scoring Chances For a Team) because they also rank 3rd in fewest scoring opportunities allowed.

They do rank dead last in CSh% (% of shot attempts that are goals) and 26th in CSv% (% of shots attempts allowed that are goals). Worst PDO in the league, and just a tiny fraction worse than Colorado.
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not lazy guy doing the work for me.  looks like they are still #1 in expected goals for percentage which factors in shot quality. 

maybe a problem is not enough finish because they don't have guys like Kessel and Seguin because they are such ##### in the locker room or something?

 
Aaron Rudnicki said:
Per http://www.corsica.hockey/teams/

Boston ranks 6th in expected Goals and 1st in Expected Goals For % (Percentage of all Expected Goals Scored by a Team)

Boston ranks 20th in Scoring Chances For and 5th in Scoring Chances For % (Percentage of all Scoring Chances For a Team) because they also rank 3rd in fewest scoring opportunities allowed.

They do rank dead last in CSh% (% of shot attempts that are goals) and 26th in CSv% (% of shots attempts allowed that are goals). Worst PDO in the league, and just a tiny fraction worse than Colorado.
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Thanks for that. I was just digging around the web looking for some reliable rankings (as reliable as they can be, since "scoring chance" seems to be such a vague term and something that can vary from team to team).

 
HellToupee said:
Definitely true but this brings it back to Claude. I do t think those guys could thrive under him
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Exactly. Particularly with Kessel. You simply can't criticize the Kessel saga and defend Julien at the same time, regardless of who was "right" or "wrong". That all happened under a completely different management group, save for the Jacobs family.

 
:lmao:   because guys like Pastrnak are going to win a Selke.  goal scorers can play in a successful, structured system.  happens everywhere.

 
I wouldn't have much of a problem with Oston's rebuild had they actually needed to rebuild anything in the first place.  instead of some crappy GMs trying to put their "fingerprints" on something that was already working.

 
Bill Brasky said:
I wouldn't have much of a problem with Oston's rebuild had they actually needed to rebuild anything in the first place.  instead of some crappy GMs trying to put their "fingerprints" on something that was already working.
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Except it hasn't really been working for the past three seasons. If not for the miracle Game 7 comeback against the Fightin' Kessels in 2013, the B's would have one playoff series win and (most likely) three straight playoff misses since winning the Cup. And Julien, by all indications, would have been gone four years ago.

 
Aaron Rudnicki said:
Tarasenko seemed to score in bunches playing for Hitchcock. Funny how that works.
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And yet Hitch got fired, as well, likely for reasons that could have been beyond his control. It happens, even to the good coaches. This is not the first time either of them has been fired. That's life in the NHL, or any pro sport.

 
Dickie Dunn said:
And yet Hitch got fired, as well, likely for reasons that could have been beyond his control. It happens, even to the good coaches. This is not the first time either of them has been fired. That's life in the NHL, or any pro sport.
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not sure you can really equate the two.  but even if you want to, Hitch is a guy who was already on his way out with a much better rooster that is underperforming by any measure.  Julien is squeezing a young, one-line team with thin/weak defense that can't start a backup goalie into one of the top possession teams in the league.  even if they see standings results under Butch Cassidy their play will undoubtedly regress.  all to eek out an 8th seed and save a bad GM's job.  good luck with that.

 
Dickie Dunn said:
Except it hasn't really been working for the past three seasons. If not for the miracle Game 7 comeback against the Fightin' Kessels in 2013, the B's would have one playoff series win and (most likely) three straight playoff misses since winning the Cup. And Julien, by all indications, would have been gone four years ago.
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three seasons?  I'm talking about the slow 5-year teardown of a once great team that should have been competing with LA and CHI for the past several years.

 
Bill Brasky said:
not sure you can really equate the two.  but even if you want to, Hitch is a guy who was already on his way out with a much better rooster that is underperforming by any measure.  Julien is squeezing a young, one-line team with thin/weak defense that can't start a backup goalie into one of the top possession teams in the league.  even if they see standings results under Butch Cassidy their play will undoubtedly regress.  all to eek out an 8th seed and save a bad GM's job.  good luck with that.
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I don't disagree with you there. I don't want to eek out a playoff spot if it means another first round exit and treading water or, even worse, mortgaging the future to reach that means.

The B's have a lot of talent coming up through the pipeline. For as much as they were ripped for their approach to the draft two years ago, guys like Senyshyn, Zboril, and even DeBrusk appear to be good prospects. McAvoy is even better. Forsbacka Karlsson, who is having a great year at BU, is another one But Julien works best coaching a veteran team. I just couldn't see him as being the right guy with the team going forward in that regard. I just am not sure what the answer is at this point, or who would even want to come work for the clown show that the front office has become.

We'll never agree on the Kessel and Seguin trades (and remember, there is no Seguin or Hamilton without the former). You look at it from a pure talent standpoint, and that's fine. But I don't think it's a big secret how disliked Kessel really is. His comments after the WC and the reaction to it are proof of that. The Bruins did a great job in getting talent in return for Kessel. Seguin, not so much, even if I understand the reasons why he "had to go."

And I'm with you on the goaltending and defense. Rask is prone to letting up the bad goal at the worst time. Krug, for all of his offensive talent, is a liability in his own end. Which wouldn't be a problem if the rest of the D wasn't an over-the-hill Chara, McQuaid, four years of Kevan Miller  :X  and a revolving door. Hopefully the likes of McAvoy, Grzelcyk, etc. will be ready to take over sooner rather than later.

 
Dickie Dunn said:
I don't disagree with you there. I don't want to eek out a playoff spot if it means another first round exit and treading water or, even worse, mortgaging the future to reach that means.

The B's have a lot of talent coming up through the pipeline. For as much as they were ripped for their approach to the draft two years ago, guys like Senyshyn, Zboril, and even DeBrusk appear to be good prospects. McAvoy is even better. Forsbacka Karlsson, who is having a great year at BU, is another one But Julien works best coaching a veteran team. I just couldn't see him as being the right guy with the team going forward in that regard. I just am not sure what the answer is at this point, or who would even want to come work for the clown show that the front office has become.

We'll never agree on the Kessel and Seguin trades (and remember, there is no Seguin or Hamilton without the former). You look at it from a pure talent standpoint, and that's fine. But I don't think it's a big secret how disliked Kessel really is. His comments after the WC and the reaction to it are proof of that. The Bruins did a great job in getting talent in return for Kessel. Seguin, not so much, even if I understand the reasons why he "had to go."

And I'm with you on the goaltending and defense. Rask is prone to letting up the bad goal at the worst time. Krug, for all of his offensive talent, is a liability in his own end. Which wouldn't be a problem if the rest of the D wasn't an over-the-hill Chara, McQuaid, four years of Kevan Miller  :X  and a revolving door. Hopefully the likes of McAvoy, Grzelcyk, etc. will be ready to take over sooner rather than later.
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fair enough, good post. 

personally I would keep one of the best coaches in the league and let the prospects grow under his system assuming he wants to stick it out.  and like you said, their pipeline looks decent so it's not like they need to tank.  I guess if you want to take the cynical view, which I often do, maybe this move will get the front office canned and it ends up being the best move they could make.  my whole point is that this a lose/lose short and long-term...unless people get fired, and quickly, for it.

for as much talent as BU has, it's crazy how often Forsbacka-Karlsson shows up on the score sheet.  might have a steal there, I have no idea.  he scores some big goals though.

 
What I find bizarre is that Julien has now been fired three times ... all in mid-season, including in NJ when he had the second-best record in the conference. Aside from his very first season in Montreal, he's never had a losing record in any season.

I honestly don't know what that means, if anything. Just interesting.

 
Dickie Dunn said:
What I find bizarre is that Julien has now been fired three times ... all in mid-season, including in NJ when he had the second-best record in the conference. Aside from his very first season in Montreal, he's never had a losing record in any season.

I honestly don't know what that means, if anything. Just interesting.
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Lou is a weird guy

 
Caps with 5+ goals for the 9th straight home game. Haven't been held below 5 in DC since New Year's Day. 

10 guys with 10+ goals 

 
Been watching Caps almost my entire life and I've never seen them play this well for this long of a stretch.Meaningless because it's regular season but it is a joy to watch this team click in every facet of the game from all 4 lines.

 
TheAristocrat said:
Coyle woke up tonight.  3 great assists on the 3 Wild goals so far.
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COYLE!

My former neighbor (well, sort of ... I lived in his hometown for more than a decade) also tied the franchise record in the long, long history of the Minnesota Wild with 283 consecutive games played.

:hifive:

 
Bill Brasky said:
bfd, Wild have 10 with 10 with 2 less GP.  and they do it 5 on 5 instead of on the PP, like real men
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Hmm, take out PPG and Caps have 9 with 10+ and 1 with 9

Wild have 8 with 10+, 1 with 9, and 1 with 7

But no need to bicker. Every Caps fan I know is rooting for Bruce to get his guys to the Stanley Cup Finals

 
Cjw_55106 said:
Well, of course not. But I doubt a top level team like the Hawks are just hoping to make the playoffs. 
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they are hoping to win a Cup. you don't need to win a division to do that, as we saw the last 3 years.

2016 Penguins finished 2nd in their division

2015 Blackhawks finished 3rd in their division

2014 Kings finished 3rd in their division

 
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http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL.html

gives the Blackhawks a 1% chance of winning their division at this point. Wild are 99% likely to win the division.

This game is not that significant. Probably more important for the Wild if they want to win the Presidents trophy.

 
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tom22406 said:
Been watching Caps almost my entire life and I've never seen them play this well for this long of a stretch.Meaningless because it's regular season but it is a joy to watch this team click in every facet of the game from all 4 lines.
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THEY HAVE ARRIVED.

 
Cjw_55106 said:
“As of now it’s our biggest game of the year,” Blackhawks winger Patrick Kane said.  :scared:
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maybe so. I guess it's a "must win" in terms of having any chance to win the division, but that's not going to happen regardless imo.

Blackhawks just aren't that good right now.

 
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