****OFFICIAL**** 2008 Washington Redskins Off Season Thread! (1 Viewer)

[Bizkiteer]

Though the though of having Fassel as HC makes me scratch my head more than I care to, it is a bit comforting to know that Rex Ryan could be coming with him. As long as it's not a Marvin Lewis situation where he's our DC for one season and uses us as a stepping stone.

Though we are not built in a specific mode (other than missing a big possession type WR, having our #1 TE being a massive blocker, or a 3-4 D), I wonder if Fassel & Ryan took over...what kind of changes we'd see?

 

[DCThunder]

Though the though of having Fassel as HC makes me scratch my head more than I care to, it is a bit comforting to know that Rex Ryan could be coming with him. As long as it's not a Marvin Lewis situation where he's our DC for one season and uses us as a stepping stone.Though we are not built in a specific mode (other than missing a big possession type WR, having our #1 TE being a massive blocker, or a 3-4 D), I wonder if Fassel & Ryan took over...what kind of changes we'd see?

Maybe Rex Ryan could bring Ray Lewis and Ed Reed along with him.

 

[redman]

The official smilie of the Redskins head coaching search.

 

[dgreen]

The official smilie of the Redskins head coaching search.

Other nominees:Gregg --> <-- SnyderCerrato --> <-- GreggSnyder looking for candidates: Us: Us: Us after the selection:

 

[TankRizzo]

Question of the day. Who would you rather have, Casserly or Cerrato?

 

[Ripleys]

The official smilie of the Redskins head coaching search.

Other nominees:Gregg --> <-- SnyderCerrato --> <-- GreggSnyder looking for candidates: Us: Us: Us after the selection:

 

[redman]

Question of the day. Who would you rather have, Casserly or Cerrato?

Amazingly enough, I don't feel like I know enough about what Cerrato does or has done to answer that, and we're, what, eight years into Cerrato's tenure there? He's always "involved", but what does that mean?

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

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Other nominees:Gregg --> <-- SnyderCerrato --> <-- GreggSnyder looking for candidates: Us: Us: Us after the selection:

and don't forget finally:

 

[TankRizzo]

Question of the day. Who would you rather have, Casserly or Cerrato?

Amazingly enough, I don't feel like I know enough about what Cerrato does or has done to answer that, and we're, what, eight years into Cerrato's tenure there? He's always "involved", but what does that mean?

Yeah...I was wondering this myself last night. I think we can assume that he was most "involved" during the last Norv year and the Spurrier Years. Last Norv year

2000 - Washington Redskins

Rd Sel # Player Position School

1 2 LaVar Arrington OLB Penn State

1 3 Chris Samuels T Alabama

3 64 Lloyd Harrison DB North Carolina State

4 129 Mookie Moore G Troy State

5 155 Quincy Sanders -- Nevada-Las Vegas

6 202 Todd Husak QB Stanford

7 216 Delbert Cowsette DE Maryland

7 250 Ethan Howell -- Oklahoma State



Spurrier Year 1

2002 - Washington Redskins

Rd Sel # Player Position School

1 32 Patrick Ramsey QB Tulane

2 56 Ladell Betts RB Iowa

3 79 Rashad Bauman CB Oregon

3 87 Cliff Russell WR Utah

5 159 Andre Lott CB Tennessee

5 160 Robert Royal TE Louisiana State

6 192 Reggie Coleman T Tennessee

7 230 Jeff Grau TE UCLA

7 234 Greg Scott DE Hampton

7 257 Rock Cartwright RB Kansas State



Spurrier year 2

2003 - Washington Redskins

Rd Sel # Player Position School

2 44 Taylor Jacobs WR Florida

3 81 Derrick Dockery G Texas

7 232 Gibran Hamdan QB Indiana



But upon further review, Casserly's history isn't exactly a shining beacon of diamonds in the rough either.

 

[southeastjerome]

Question of the day. Who would you rather have, Casserly or Cerrato?

Amazingly enough, I don't feel like I know enough about what Cerrato does or has done to answer that, and we're, what, eight years into Cerrato's tenure there? He's always "involved", but what does that mean?

Exactly. The gut reaction is to say "anyone but Vinny". What we don't know is how influential he was on drafting Cooley, Anthony Montgomery, Golston and Doughty, all of which were good picks. And how influential he was in the signings of Archuleta, Lloyd and the breaking the bank for Randel El, all of which were not so great moves. For all the flak that the redskins front office gets, they have certainly drafted well under Gibbs. Its disappointing to think of what this team might look like had they kept all of those picks and had similar success to the ones they actually had. Whether that was a testament to the coaches or Cerrato, I guess we'll find out in due time.

 

[Bizkiteer]

The official smilie of the Redskins head coaching search.

Other nominees:Gregg --> <-- SnyderCerrato --> <-- GreggSnyder looking for candidates: Us: Us: Us after the selection:

x2LOL, so far this might be post of the year in our thread. Granted...it's only Jan. 23rd.

 

[Bizkiteer]

ESPN's Michael Smith reports that the Falcons are leaning toward hiring Jaguars defensive coordinator Mike Smith as their head coach.The announcement could come as soon as Wednesday. It was believed that the Falcons would wait to interview Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo, but the team feared being left at the altar again after the Giants rejected one request to let Spagnuolo interview earlier in the offseason.

ESPN reporting that Rex Ryan might be out of the running in ATL. Might be signs pointing to Rex actually coming w/ Fassel.

Rex RyanThe former Ravens defensive coordinator - and possibly future Ravens defensive coordinator - has been talked about among many NFL people as a possible replacement for Gregg Williams should Jim Fassel get the job. Ryan has ties to Vinny Cerrato and his name has come up frequently during this hiring process.However, according to a source with knowledge of the situation, Ryan's contract stats has been reported incorrectly. It's been widely reported that Ryan was fired along with the rest of Baltimore's staff. But while it's true that Ryan is free to interview for any head coaching jobs - and he's still in play in Atltanta (who isnt't at this point? what a debacle the Falcons' situation has become), the Ravens could still block any lateral move, according to a source.Ryan remains Baltimore's property as a defensive coordinator, and could ask for compensation should another team want Ryan to run its defense. The Ravens players wanted Ryan to get the head coaching job there and there is a strong belief Baltimore would like to retain him as defensive coordinator. So I doubt they'll just let him walk down 95. Now, Ryan might also want to push for a change of venau as well given he was passed over for the head gig. They'll have to work some things out, obviously. And the Redskins could try to get creative with some new titles for him - a specialty round here - but the situation is certainly more complicated than it would seem on the surface.Redskins coaches still have been told nothing about the coaching vacancy and no word given to any candidates recently. A decision could come today perhaps. Sources said there was a brief conversation between Jim Schwartz's represenatives and the Redskins Sunday night but numerous parties invovled in the search, connected to numerous candidates, said they have been told essentially nothing in the last day.Stay tuned.

JLC is saying that BAL would get compensation for Rex Ryan, but I wonder if he's hired w/ similar title as Greg Williams if it's considered an actual promotion and makes it no compensation needed. Hmmm....

 

[fatness]

JLC on Rex Ryan and related matters. It's a long one, worth reading.

according to a source with knowledge of the situation, Ryan's contract stats has been reported incorrectly. It's been widely reported that Ryan was fired along with the rest of Baltimore's staff. But while it's true that Ryan is free to interview for any head coaching jobs - and he's still in play in Atltanta (who isnt't at this point? what a debacle the Falcons' situation has become), the Ravens could still block any lateral move, according to a source.

Ryan remains Baltimore's property as a defensive coordinator, and could ask for compensation should another team want Ryan to run its defense. The Ravens players wanted Ryan to get the head coaching job there and there is a strong belief Baltimore would like to retain him as defensive coordinator. So I doubt they'll just let him walk down 95.

the Redskins contingent in Mobile is up in arms. Players and coaches are distraught over the poorly worded press release regarding Cerrato's promotion and Jim Fassel's emergence as a candidate with multiple interviews. They are taking a lot of grief from other team''s people down there and, according to some league sources, the word "laughingstock" is being thrown around in regards to how the team is operating. The timing of the Cerrato release and the fact that it stated he would have "roster" control was a big issue down there; that's always the domain of the coach. The team later backtracked on that issue when I pushed it with them and said any new coach would pick the players, but the inclusion of that word, clumsily or not, read like a "shot across the bow," according to one GM.

 

[TankRizzo]

I don't know why the Cerrato release is such a big deal (other than the disheartening reality of the situation being in your face, removing all plausible deniability). It's basically just confirming what everyone knew all along. It changes absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.

 

[TeddyKGB]

My football team makes me sad.

 

[Tanner9919]

Well, at least this one starts a little later than the previous one, but all who love the Burgundy and Gold (and those who hate them) can agather here to discuss the comings and goings at Redskins Park and the travels of Redskins One.

as a Giants fan, I hope you get Jim Fassell as HC.he's the absolute WORST head coach...get ready for the Fassell `Country Club ` Redskins..just hope he isn't hired as HC, thats all I can say to Redskins fans..

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

I don't know why the Cerrato release is such a big deal (other than the disheartening reality of the situation being in your face, removing all plausible deniability). It's basically just confirming what everyone knew all along. It changes absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.

I think it's more the timing of it than anything else, and the fact that it is one more demonstration of the dysfunctional nature of the team's leadership. There is no question that any "culture" or stability that Gibbs worked to build over the last 4 years has been flushed by now. It's back to being Danny's team 100%.

 

[thayman]

I don't know why the Cerrato release is such a big deal (other than the disheartening reality of the situation being in your face, removing all plausible deniability). It's basically just confirming what everyone knew all along. It changes absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.

I think it's more the timing of it than anything else, and the fact that it is one more demonstration of the dysfunctional nature of the team's leadership. There is no question that any "culture" or stability that Gibbs worked to build over the last 4 years has been flushed by now. It's back to being Danny's team 100%.

But maybe just maybe Cerrato is being put in a position to be fired. When he makes a bad decision, or no decision for that matter since noone seems to know what he does, he will get canned. Right?.......That makes sense right? Please dear lord tell me that makes sense.

 

[buster c]

Wilbon continues to give Vinnie credit as a voice of reason - take this clip from his column today:

What I really want to know is how this fancy new title changes Cerrato's life. If he's got the exact same duties and has input but no power to make football decisions, so what? If he's the Boss of All Things Football, a position I keep pushing Snyder to create, then this could be a significant step in the right direction. Cerrato has taken more criticism than anybody in the organization. But I know this much: His advice as to what to do was wiser in several instances than the course of action the Redskins took.

When the dust finally settles, it might be a good thing if the Redskins have fewer men with big titles and a better chance of avoiding the same worn melodrama this time next year.

 

[DCThunder]

Wilbon continues to give Vinnie credit as a voice of reason - take this clip from his column today:

What I really want to know is how this fancy new title changes Cerrato's life. If he's got the exact same duties and has input but no power to make football decisions, so what? If he's the Boss of All Things Football, a position I keep pushing Snyder to create, then this could be a significant step in the right direction. Cerrato has taken more criticism than anybody in the organization. But I know this much: His advice as to what to do was wiser in several instances than the course of action the Redskins took.

When the dust finally settles, it might be a good thing if the Redskins have fewer men with big titles and a better chance of avoiding the same worn melodrama this time next year.

Maybe so, but I just want this thing to be over. Hire Fassel or Williams or dig up George Allen, but for God's sake let this long national nightmare end so we can move on. Hey, maybe we could start a group called MoveOn.org. Nobody would ever think of doing something like that in a million years...

 

[dgreen]

Somebody at work just heard on 980 that they are interviewing Jim Zorn for the OC position.

 

[dgreen]

From JLC:

Jim ZornRedskins are interviewing Seattle Qb coach Jim Zorn for an offensive coordinator position, according to league sources. The Redskins asked premission to talk to him this week - again not the head coaching job - and flew him from the Senior Bowl in Mobile to town today, where was expected to interview at owner Daniel Snyder's house.Zorn has developed many quarterbacks and has a strong reputation. He was an accomplished NFL QB himself, mostly with Seattle. This continues to jibe with what I have heard through this process about Al Saunders possibly being in hot water.I am still connecting all the dots about the biug picture here and will keep you posted.

 

[dgreen]

Anyone know who Zorn has a connection with? Fassel? Williams?

 

[DCThunder]

Anyone know who Zorn has a connection with? Fassel? Williams?

He had a connection with Steve Largent and the original Curt Warner back in the day. He almost made me like the Seahawks because their games always used to be on at 4 pm back here during the '80s.

 

[dgreen]

Zorn Coaching History:

1988-91 - Boise State: Offensive Assistant/Quarterbacks

1992-94 - Utah State: Offensive Coordinator

1995-96 - University of Minnesota: Quarterbacks

1997-98 - Seattle Seahawks: Offensive Assistant

1998-00 - Detroit Lions: Quarterbacks

2001 - Seattle Seahawks: Quarterbacks

Fassel was apparently at Utah St, too, but way before Zorn.

 

[buster c]

Anyone know who Zorn has a connection with? Fassel? Williams?

Steve LargentETA: I thought I could be quicker than the speed of sound...but apparently not

 

[TankRizzo]

Somebody at work just heard on 980 that they are interviewing Jim Zorn for the OC position.

My dad just told me a co-worker called him and said he heard on the radio that Fassel will be announced HC tomorrow. Until I see it for myself I'm taking it for a grain of salt...but eeuch.

 

[TankRizzo]

OK, looks like it was Schefter, the journalist who cried wolf who is saying the Fassel thing is a done deal. I'll believe it when I see it for myself.

 

[southeastjerome]

OK, looks like it was Schefter, the journalist who cried wolf who is saying the Fassel thing is a done deal. I'll believe it when I see it for myself.

What would make you not want to believe Schefter? He said last week that he didn't think GW would get the job and that Jim Mora was the #1 option. Who's to say he's wrong? He was the only one at that time saying that GW wasn't the #1 candidate and then Mora pulled himself out.

 

[TankRizzo]

OK, looks like it was Schefter, the journalist who cried wolf who is saying the Fassel thing is a done deal. I'll believe it when I see it for myself.

What would make you not want to believe Schefter? He said last week that he didn't think GW would get the job and that Jim Mora was the #1 option. Who's to say he's wrong? He was the only one at that time saying that GW wasn't the #1 candidate and then Mora pulled himself out.

I can't hear you <fingers in ears> la la la, la la la, la la la.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Can we get a utsguntohead: smiley?

 

[TankRizzo]

Can we get a utsguntohead: smiley?

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[DCThunder]

Anyone know who Zorn has a connection with? Fassel? Williams?

Steve LargentETA: I thought I could be quicker than the speed of sound...but apparently not

LOL, you snooze, you lose, sucka!

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Can we get a utsguntohead: smiley?

:skinsfan: http://smiliesftw.com/x/suicide.gif

Thanks.

 

[Swing 51]

Posted at 4:30 PM ET, 01/23/2008Fassel, Ryan and ZornAll of my reporting leads to this trio topping the coaching staff.Jim Fassel is expected to be named head coach as soon as tomorrow, and the hold up is negtoations with the Ravens reagarding Rex Ryan. As I previously reported, contrary to other reports the Ravens retain Ryan's coordinator rights and can block a lateral move for Rex Ryan and are in fact doing that. The sides may reach an agreement, but Ravens ownership badly wants to keep Ryan, who the players love there. Fassel and Ryan spoke as recently as last night sources said and Ryan interviewed with Snyder Sunday night, according to sources.Zorn, as we were the first to report, interviewed for the offensive coordinator job. He is set to depart around 5:40 and if all goes well he would be the leading candidate to replace Al Saunders as the offensive coordinator (or whatever fancy title they want to use).Everyone is waiting to hammer the contract details out but barring a last second change of heart, disaster, whatever, this is how its shaping up.With Gregg Williams gone most of his loyal longtiem guys, Danny Smith, Jerry Gray, Steve Jackson, are likely to follow. Byner and Olivadotti are out of conract as previously reported but could be re-signed. Posted by Jason La Canfora – Washington Post.com

 

[dgreen]

Please don't tell me we're giving up a draft pick for Ryan.

 

[Johnny Ice]

Please don't tell me we're giving up a draft pick for Ryan.

Sure we are, that's all Snyder knows how to do.

 

[DCThunder]

Please don't tell me we're giving up a draft pick for Ryan.

Probably a 3rd. Vinny loves to trade those.Get ready for a Czabe tirade tonight if it hasn't already happened.Wonder if Bugel and Bubba Tyrer stay on?

 

[southeastjerome]

Please don't tell me we're giving up a draft pick for Ryan.

Probably a 3rd. Vinny loves to trade those.Get ready for a Czabe tirade tonight if it hasn't already happened.

While I love Ryan, that would be tragic. Why can't we just make him Asst. Head Coach Defense? It worked with Saunders on offense!

 

[TankRizzo]

Please don't tell me we're giving up a draft pick for Ryan.

oh, absolutely, why on earth would we ever need draft picks?

 

[fatness]

From a poster at Extremeskins:

Just got a call from my AFC North buddy. Nobody he has talked to at the Senior Bowl (and there are hundreds of scouts coaches and agents there) has heard anything concrete regarding our new coach. Of course, he said they have all heard the media reports of Fassel, Ryan and Zorn and people are completely shocked. He said he has seen alot of crazy stuff in his 7 + years in the NFL but he can't remember a decision that has received a unilateral gasp of shock/laughter like this.

There are alot of people saying alot of things. here is a major one: A group of scouts and front office people were sitting watching practice together discussing the rumors and a very high ranking official from the Eagles makes this comment: "For the last 4 years we finally had to start worrying about the Redskins as a threat on the field and that little ego-maniac is blowing it to pieces. I LOVE IT!!!" This was followed by laughter by the dozens of people that heard it.

 

[fatness]

A ray of sunshine.

 

[TankRizzo]

A ray of sunshine.

yeah, I made that, it's my new sig on extremeskins. Wonder how long before it's nixed

 

[fatness]

Yeah, they're owned by the Redskins now, aren't they?

 

[buster c]

Can we get a utsguntohead: smiley?

:skinsfan: http://smiliesftw.com/x/suicide.gif

that's one hardcore smiley

 

[jenja]

Fassel?????????? Could this team be turned into any more of a laughing stock? I just don't understand going in this direction. I could see going after someone like Cowher, who at least has a proven track record, or even after a young up and coming assistant to see if we could strike gold, but going after Fassel makes no sense. I am very disappointed. Another season with more questions then answers....sigh.............

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

Well, I just got back from senior bowl, and for the past 2 days. I asked, and asked the scouts, whats up with our coach? Did we name one yet? Nope. Me "WTF" The Redskins scouts and coaches! "I know!" I even chatted with Al Saunders today. I asked him what going on? Sainders says, I have no idea. But we need COLLINS THERE

Also FWIW Don Warren is a scout or something.

 

[phrozen]

I am so ticked off right now....Fassel is not the answer. Unless Synder asked himself what is the fastest way I can take this team from the playoffs to the #### house. Getting Rex Ryan will be a plus but still with Fassel as the coach I cannot see this team improving. They might as well break Campbells arm for him and save the trouble of learnging ANOTHER offense.

I hope I am wrong but Fassel will be a terrible hire.

3-13 here we come...

hail to the redskins

Hail to the Redskins!

Hail Losing!

Braves on the Warpath!

Fight for mediocrity!

Run or pass and score -- we won't be scoring anymore!

Beat 'em, no Swamp 'em, no

Touchdown! -- The other team just scored!

Fight on, fight on 'Til you have lost

Sons of Wash-ing-ton. Wahh!, Wahh!, Wahh!

Hail to the Redskins!

Hail Losing!

Braves on the Warpath!

Fight for mediocrity!

 

[Marvelous]

Question of the day. Who would you rather have, Casserly or Cerrato?

Amazingly enough, I don't feel like I know enough about what Cerrato does or has done to answer that, and we're, what, eight years into Cerrato's tenure there? He's always "involved", but what does that mean?

We do know these facts:Snyder/Cerrato went on a free agent buying binge their first chance, getting Bruce Smith, Jeff Geroge, Mark Carrier, and a few others, the generally went bust.They fired Norv with a 8-7 record while still in the playoff raceThey hired Marty, which got Cerrato fired (this is obviously not Cerrato's decision)They hired Spurrier and had a totally disfunctional front office with Spurrier as HCThey hired Gibbs and worked with him for 4 yearsWhat we don't know:What role did Cerrato have in all of the disasterous decisions. Wilbon's article basically said Cerrato was against at least some of themWhat has he (and Snyder) learned after working 4 years with GibbsSome other data points/observations:Gibbs has always praised Cerrato's work. Gibbs generally does not bad mouth anyone publicly, but he has gone out of his way to say good things about Cerrato. Also, if Gibbs thought Cerrato was incompetent, Cerrato would have certainly been reassigned or demoted.Although who did what in the front office under Gibbs is pretty much a mystery, Gibbs has said the Cerrato was primarily responsible for the draft. I do not think the Redskins drafted great under Gibbs, they were noticably better the last 2 years than the first 2 years. Also, they generally got good productive players with their high draft picks. This is an accomplishment since the number of busts in the draft is really high.If you look at the Redskin drafts under Casserly, they too were very poor initially, but looked like they were improving as time went on. So maybe Cerrato has a large role in the draft and he is getting better at it.Free agent-wise, the Redskins only had one bad year under Gibbs (Archuleta & Lloyd). The other 3 years were actually outstanding. I suspect Gibbs and the coaching staff had a big role in this. Gibbs has talked at times about how he loves free agency. Also note that years 2 (Rabach) and 4 (Fletcher, Smoot) under Gibbs, when they had the more modest free agent signins is also the two better years under Gibbs.

 

[Marvelous]

I am so ticked off right now....Fassel is not the answer. Unless Synder asked himself what is the fastest way I can take this team from the playoffs to the #### house. Getting Rex Ryan will be a plus but still with Fassel as the coach I cannot see this team improving. They might as well break Campbells arm for him and save the trouble of learnging ANOTHER offense. I hope I am wrong but Fassel will be a terrible hire.3-13 here we come...hail to the redskinsHail to the Redskins! Hail Losing! Braves on the Warpath! Fight for mediocrity!Run or pass and score -- we won't be scoring anymore! Beat 'em, no Swamp 'em, noTouchdown! -- The other team just scored! Fight on, fight on 'Til you have lostSons of Wash-ing-ton. Wahh!, Wahh!, Wahh! Hail to the Redskins! Hail Losing! Braves on the Warpath! Fight for mediocrity!

At 3-13, mediocrity will be a big step up."Fight for mediocrity" actually has a really catchy ring to it.