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****OFFICIAL 2008 Washington Redskins Thread**** (1 Viewer)

Why do I get the feeling this whole Sherm stuff is just a peek into all the discontent that is going on around there. I know I can't be the only one with that feeling. I hope I am wrong and that they come out and pound New Orleans, but I just see a rough season (at least early).
Maybe some discontent mixed with some "don't know what to do yet". Smith was just out of line, he went further than anything Zorn said; and everyone knows I'm not happy with some of what Zorn said. But I can't tell yet if this is the beginning of a long slide backward into blaming and ###-covering, or whether it's just one thing a new head coach hasn't gotten down right, yet. It's quite possible that Zorn will turn around the team's performances, and begin to get a better grip on his relationships with the press and his players. It's equally possible that he and Smith are overmatched and things'll get worse from here. Only time is going to tell. We should know something by week 8 or 9.
 
Really, this could be as simple as Sherman Smith not liking the shotgun and getting overruled, and getting a bit pouty about it.

 
Let's rub our noses in it one more time before next week's game: Curly R's blog (whoever he is)

Let me get this straight. The Redskins are whupped bad in the first half of the season opener against the Giants, at the Meadowlands on national television, produce one feel good possession to score right at the end of the first half. Go into the locker room, come out for the second half and how do they capitalize on that momentum? What adjustments does rookie coach Jim Zorn make to get it back on track?

Nothing. No scoring in the second half of the game, 30 minutes, six possessions, 158 yards, no points.

Not that it was a complete dud, no indeed in the second half the Redskins got basically all their yards. It was what the team did with those yards and possessions that makes me go, hunh.

Second half, drive one, on third and eight Jason Campbell throws from the shotgun left side to Santana Moss... seven yards, three and out the team punts.

Drive two, on third and six Jason Campbell throws from the shotgun left side to Devin Thomas, his frist career NFL catch... five yards, team punts.

Drive three, on third and five Jason Campbell throws over the middle to Santana... three yards, three and out the team punts.

Drive four, fourth and 13, Jason Campbell goes right 11 yards to Ladell Betts, turned over on downs.

Drives five also ended on downs, Jason Campbell going nine yards to Antwaan Randle El on fourth and 15.

Drive six was the leisurely stroll down the field to end the game, the team was down nine points and playing like they were down two.
There's a pattern there.
 
Let's rub our noses in it one more time before next week's game: Curly R's blog (whoever he is)

Let me get this straight. The Redskins are whupped bad in the first half of the season opener against the Giants, at the Meadowlands on national television, produce one feel good possession to score right at the end of the first half. Go into the locker room, come out for the second half and how do they capitalize on that momentum? What adjustments does rookie coach Jim Zorn make to get it back on track?

Nothing. No scoring in the second half of the game, 30 minutes, six possessions, 158 yards, no points.

Not that it was a complete dud, no indeed in the second half the Redskins got basically all their yards. It was what the team did with those yards and possessions that makes me go, hunh.

Second half, drive one, on third and eight Jason Campbell throws from the shotgun left side to Santana Moss... seven yards, three and out the team punts.

Drive two, on third and six Jason Campbell throws from the shotgun left side to Devin Thomas, his frist career NFL catch... five yards, team punts.

Drive three, on third and five Jason Campbell throws over the middle to Santana... three yards, three and out the team punts.

Drive four, fourth and 13, Jason Campbell goes right 11 yards to Ladell Betts, turned over on downs.

Drives five also ended on downs, Jason Campbell going nine yards to Antwaan Randle El on fourth and 15.

Drive six was the leisurely stroll down the field to end the game, the team was down nine points and playing like they were down two.
There's a pattern there.
The only play that I know that was called this way was the throw to Thomas on a hot read, when he was matched up 1:1 with the DB playing off of him. Jason fired a bullet, on time and on target, and Thomas was supposed to get the RAC with the DB playing off of him. It was a good call as that has big play written all over it if Thomas beats his man, but the DB made a nice open field tackle. To me, that's a risk worth taking, and it's part of the core WCO philosophy so get used to it. Anyway, blame Zorn for that even though I don't think "blame" is the right word.The others looked like either good coverage or a tentative Campbell checking down too fast or locking onto a receiver, or all of the above.

 
Eddie Royal 2nd round pick......2 rushes 9 yards 9 catches 146 yards 1 TD....

Malcom Kelley 2nd round pick......did not play....

Devin Thomas 2nd round pick......1 catch 5 yards....

 
Eddie Royal 2nd round pick......2 rushes 9 yards 9 catches 146 yards 1 TD....Malcom Kelley 2nd round pick......did not play....Devin Thomas 2nd round pick......1 catch 5 yards....
One game does not make a career make. Kelly's knees might always be an issue, but Thomas should be good.
 
Eddie Royal 2nd round pick......2 rushes 9 yards 9 catches 146 yards 1 TD....Malcom Kelley 2nd round pick......did not play....Devin Thomas 2nd round pick......1 catch 5 yards....
One game does not make a career make. Kelly's knees might always be an issue, but Thomas should be good.
Also, Michael Clayton will tell you how much the 1st season can tell you about a career. Time, as it always does, will tell.
 
Eddie Royal 2nd round pick......2 rushes 9 yards 9 catches 146 yards 1 TD....Malcom Kelley 2nd round pick......did not play....Devin Thomas 2nd round pick......1 catch 5 yards....
One game does not make a career make. Kelly's knees might always be an issue, but Thomas should be good.
Also, Michael Clayton will tell you how much the 1st season can tell you about a career. Time, as it always does, will tell.
Also, Eddie Royal would not be a complement to the 'Skins existing WR corp. Physically, he'd be a Moss/Randle El clone. Talk about reviving The Smurfs. No matter how good Royal looks already, he would have been a poor WR choice for the 'Skins, IMO.Royal should make a great counterpart to Brandon Marshall. Kelly and Thomas should make great counterparts to Moss and Randle El.
 
Eddie Royal 2nd round pick......2 rushes 9 yards 9 catches 146 yards 1 TD....Malcom Kelley 2nd round pick......did not play....Devin Thomas 2nd round pick......1 catch 5 yards....
One game does not make a career make. Kelly's knees might always be an issue, but Thomas should be good.
Also, Michael Clayton will tell you how much the 1st season can tell you about a career. Time, as it always does, will tell.
Also, Eddie Royal would not be a complement to the 'Skins existing WR corp. Physically, he'd be a Moss/Randle El clone. Talk about reviving The Smurfs. No matter how good Royal looks already, he would have been a poor WR choice for the 'Skins, IMO.Royal should make a great counterpart to Brandon Marshall. Kelly and Thomas should make great counterparts to Moss and Randle El.
I'm not saying they should have picked Royal.....just wishing our 2nd round picks were as productive last Thursday.
 
Eddie Royal 2nd round pick......2 rushes 9 yards 9 catches 146 yards 1 TD....Malcom Kelley 2nd round pick......did not play....Devin Thomas 2nd round pick......1 catch 5 yards....
One game does not make a career make. Kelly's knees might always be an issue, but Thomas should be good.
Also, Michael Clayton will tell you how much the 1st season can tell you about a career. Time, as it always does, will tell.
Also, Eddie Royal would not be a complement to the 'Skins existing WR corp. Physically, he'd be a Moss/Randle El clone. Talk about reviving The Smurfs. No matter how good Royal looks already, he would have been a poor WR choice for the 'Skins, IMO.Royal should make a great counterpart to Brandon Marshall. Kelly and Thomas should make great counterparts to Moss and Randle El.
I'm not saying they should have picked Royal.....just wishing our 2nd round picks were as productive last Thursday.
Ok, fair enough, but you tend to go years without a 2nd round player at a skill position being that productive in their week 1 game.
 
This is pretty close to a must win game for the Skins, imo. They match up pretty well with NO. They should be able to establish the run, and hopefully Portis has a big day.

The Saints are a pass first team, and the strength of our defense is stopping the pass. Also no Colston, as he's injured. Hopefully Jason Taylor has healed up and shows more explosiveness. He was a non-factor for most of the game last week.

The big question will be how much the passing offense improves for Washington. Campbell needs to be more decisive and progress through his reads when the first guy is covered. The oline needs to do a lot better job of protecting him.

Zorn and company have had 1.5 weeks to make adjustments and work out the kinks. If we don't see ANY improvement this week in the offense, then there's a major cause for concern, imo.

 
This is pretty close to a must win game for the Skins, imo. They match up pretty well with NO. They should be able to establish the run, and hopefully Portis has a big day. The Saints are a pass first team, and the strength of our defense is stopping the pass. Also no Colston, as he's injured. Hopefully Jason Taylor has healed up and shows more explosiveness. He was a non-factor for most of the game last week.The big question will be how much the passing offense improves for Washington. Campbell needs to be more decisive and progress through his reads when the first guy is covered. The oline needs to do a lot better job of protecting him. Zorn and company have had 1.5 weeks to make adjustments and work out the kinks. If we don't see ANY improvement this week in the offense, then there's a major cause for concern, imo.
I expect more out of the defense and the running game, but yeah, I want to see improvement from the passing game too. The Saints defense is nothing like the Giants defense, and the 'Skins are playing at home.
 
Marques Colston is out, too. If they can shut down Shockey and Bush they have a decent shot at actually outscoring NO.
I think that's what they'll have to do --- outscore them. I don't see this being a low-scoring game. It's very fortunate for the Skins that Colston is hurt. I've been tormented by images of Reed Doughty running 3 yards behind Colston into the end zone multiple times.
 
JLC

The Redskins are going to have to be able to run the rock with some authority to keep teams honest. Period. Otherwise it'll be eight and nine players in the box all the time, and given how the offensive line has looked the past 3-4 weeks, I don't see them being able to thrive in any sort of outnumbered situation.

I also don't see the Redskins being able to get it going in the passing game without being able to have the threat of play action and without using the run to open things up for Jason Campbell, buying him some time, keeping defenses from being able to tee off on passing downs, giving the offensive the luxury of maybe playing with a lead, etc.

"The other night they caught on quick that our passing was a little off-timing and they started dropped eight and nine men into the box to fill those [running] lanes," Clinton Portis said.
Campbell has the arm and Santana Moss has the speed and loves those go routes, but that's not what this attack is based on. Seeing a bit more of a commitment to throwing long balls can get some of the safeties to drop back in coverage, though, and give Portis and Co. more space to find yards on the ground. To the tailback, "Campbell to Moss for 55 yards," may sound even better than "Portis breaks three tackles for a 15-yard gain," right about now.

It all goes hand in hand, and the Redskins are going to have to force teams to fully respect one aspect of their offense sometime soon. Seems to be the most likely chance for success might come from getting the guys upfront in the offensive line to rediscover a street-fighting mentality and try to beat some people up at the line.
 
JLC also

I had a long conversation with a member of the organization last night, and talk eventually turned to the defense.
The next few weeks could go a long way to determining how the rest of the NFL perceives the Skins, and as we all know perception can very much influence reality in how clubs prepare and game plan. New Orleans and Arizona are not real power teams. They lack hard-charging runners and do not have overly physical offenses. If they can pound the ball on the ground, then this could be some season.

As the person I was speaking to pointed out, look at the NFC. It's a passing conference, strange as it is to think of it, even more than the AFC (where Jacksonville, San Diego, Tennessee and Pittsburgh, as well as clubs like Buffalo, Baltimore, Denver, are essentially trying to punch you in the face with the running game every week).

Very few top teams in the NFC have a smashmouth approach. So if those pass-oriented teams can run on you, and you still can't really get after the passer (we'll see if/when Jason Taylor's knee responds and how he comes along), then you're back to relying intensely on your back end to hold everything up, and you get what we've essentially seen for the last few years, with corners in man coverage trying to keep pace with big, strong fast receivers in difficult match-ups.

The Giants are one of those bullying, smashmouth clubs. They can beat up defenses more than most, so you can't extrapolate what they did to the Skins last week across the board. And the team that gutted the Skins on the ground in the preseason - Carolina - uses that same approach. So this may not be apples to apples. The next two weeks will tell us a lot. Dallas will go with heavy personnel and run right down your throat when it wants to with Marion Barber, but Jason Garrett wants to spread the field and stretch an opponent out as well. They have a great hybrid mix. The only other teams in the NFC that will really try to run it down your throats are Atlanta, Chicago and Minnesota, and both have such unsettled/unproven QB situations that those teams can be so one-dimensional that they won't strike fear into opposing defenses weekly.
 
Eddie Royal 2nd round pick......2 rushes 9 yards 9 catches 146 yards 1 TD....Malcom Kelley 2nd round pick......did not play....Devin Thomas 2nd round pick......1 catch 5 yards....
One game does not make a career make. Kelly's knees might always be an issue, but Thomas should be good.
I've seen enough of Thomas. If he becomes half the player that Michael Westbrook was for us, I'll be pleasantly surprised. If he becomes a good player, I'll eat my hat live on the internet.
 
Two keys this week:

1. Skins pass rush. Even with Colston out, Brees has the talent to carve up the secondary. As long as he's got Shockey/Bush to throw to, the Saints will be very dangerous unless Brees spends some time on his rear. Heck, even Todd Pinkston has had big games against Washington...don't tell me Devery Henderson can't.

2. Turnovers. I suspect the Skins offense will look a lot better this week, in both phases of the game. The Giants might have the best defense in the NFC, and the Saints are nowhere in their league. But if Jason fumbles on a sack and throws a bad pick or two, the team could still get in a huge hole.

JMHO...

 
Campbell needs to be more decisive and progress through his reads when the first guy is covered.
Non homer here, but someone who has always respected the Skins & enjoyed their games.From watching the Skins in preseason & last week against the Giants, the above bolded & enlarged, is the key to the Skins season.

My .02 FWIW.

 
You are right Big Score. Campbell has to be willing to check all his reads, or run if he has the lanes. The other major key to the Skins success is Zorn's play calling and clock management. These are the reasons they lost last week.

 
Campbell needs to be more decisive and progress through his reads when the first guy is covered.
Non homer here, but someone who has always respected the Skins & enjoyed their games.From watching the Skins in preseason & last week against the Giants, the above bolded & enlarged, is the key to the Skins season.

My .02 FWIW.
I don't disagree at all. What I'm having trouble figuring out is whether his hesitation at doing that last week was from simply being in a new offense and not having it fully down yet, or just because Campbell isn't capable of it. We still don't know what he's capable of because Gibbs kept such tight reins on the passing attack and used max protection so much that there weren't a lot of progressions to go through. I also am convinced that Jason reads and sees the field better rolling out, and that needs to be used more to play to his strengths.

 
The long conversations occurred over several days because Washington Redskins quarterback Jason Campbell and rookie wide receiver Malcolm Kelly had a lot to discuss. The focus of Campbell's message to Kelly was maintaining confidence despite adversity and, according to Campbell, it was well-received.

Energized after Campbell's pep talks, Kelly made strides in his rehab from arthroscopic knee surgery and was back at practice this week. If his left knee continues to respond well, Kelly said he expects to make his pro debut Sunday in Washington's FedEx Field opener against the New Orleans Saints.

The Redskins are eager to have Kelly in the lineup because of his size and play-making potential, coaches and players said, and Kelly is restless after having watched from the sideline for so long. The Redskins are hopeful Kelly quickly emerges as a difference-maker offensively -- and Kelly has no doubts he will.
Washington PostAnd from a LaCanfora live chat:

Davidsonville, Md.: What's this we read about Jason Campbell mentoring Malcolm Kelly? Is it true? Does JC have the personality for that type of role? I hope so, for our team's sake, and if he does, that only bodes well for our team. But his public persona seems, well, a bit more reserved than that. What do his teammates really think of him?

Jason La Canfora: JC has immense respect from his teammates. The overhwelming thought I have heard all week long from guys speaking privately, is that he's getting blamed for a lot of stuff he had nothing to do with, that he's taking the hit for the entire offense, that the problems with such an offensive transition go well beyond the QB position.
 
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I don't disagree at all. What I'm having trouble figuring out is whether his hesitation at doing that last week was from simply being in a new offense and not having it fully down yet, or just because Campbell isn't capable of it.
Another possibility is that he's being micro-coached by Zorn and has too much to think about all at once, starting with his position taking the snap and continuing all the way through the play. And that, when he's not perfect, he knows the press will be once again told about it.
 
Roman Harper, Saints starting safety, is out for the game.

Strong-side linebacker Marcus Washington (hamstring, hip) returned to practice after sitting out the previous two days but took few reps."It felt pretty good," Washington said. "Just trying to test it. Don't want to do anything crazy and set it back. Just trying to see what I got. Still going to be a game-time decision. Still not sure."
Linebacker Khary Campbell, who had blood drained from his right thigh earlier this week, watched practice and is listed as doubtful.
Rookie wide receiver Malcolm Kelly worked a lot with the first-team offense, but Jim Zorn would not commit Kelly being active against the Saints. "He still, in my mind, just [is] questionable, just working his way back," Zorn said. "But I like what I see. I like his improvement. He's on his way."
It seems we're fairly healthy for this one and the Saints are going to miss a couple key guys.
 
No talk about the piece in the Wash Post this morning about Portis?

Feeling Trapped in Tight SpacesDaylight or Not, Portis Must Carry Redskins' OffenseBy Barry SvrlugaWashington Post Staff WriterFriday, September 12, 2008; E01When the first man hits him, Clinton Portis is left to wonder what it's like for other running backs in other places. When he takes the handoff, he said he too often sees only a mass of humanity, darkness where there should be light. It wasn't like this in Denver during his first two seasons in the NFL, both of them brilliant. Maybe it's not like this elsewhere."I really wish," Portis said, "that I could switch places."Give Portis the ball, and the Washington Redskins tailback will carry it. No back in the league did so more than Portis's 325 times last season, and if the Redskins' offense is to succeed, the burden falls not only on quarterback Jason Campbell -- the subject of so much scrutiny as Sunday's home opener against New Orleans approaches -- but on the ox-strong legs of their 27-year-old featured performer."We're going to use Clinton," first-year head coach Jim Zorn said. "We've got to."Forget, for a moment, the ball. The other thing Portis can capably carry is the conversation. Just a week into his fifth season with the Redskins -- a season that began with 23 carries for 84 yards in a loss to the New York Giants -- he is in full turn-on-the-spigot-and-let-it-flow mode. The numbers, he believes, don't tell the story of what he is capable of, what he means to the Redskins -- even though he owns three of the top 10 single-season rushing marks in club history. The circumstances -- injuries and churn on the offensive line, changes at quarterback and wide receiver and on the coaching staff -- do."I wish I could go to a team for one week with the best offensive line, or the team with the best scheme, and switch places with their back and see how others would do in this system," Portis said, sitting on a couch the other day at Redskins Park. "I get a lot of touches with nowhere to run. I could see if I got all those touches and had some lanes, but there's nine or 10 men in the box."You know, I'm dodging all the people in the backfield, fighting just to get back to the line of scrimmage, and people [are] looking around like, 'Oh, he just missed it.' I'm dodging people getting the handoff, because nobody's really respecting us as a passing team."Two things about which to be clear: In the same conversation, Portis stood up for Campbell, whose adjustment to Zorn's offense is receiving magnifying-glass attention. "I believe in him," Portis said. Portis added that he doesn't rue the trade that brought him to Washington prior to the 2004 season -- a deal, according to then-Denver General Manager Ted Sundquist, Portis helped engineer because the Broncos wouldn't rework his contract."That was an opportunity for me to gain an appreciation of what you have," Portis said. "Now, I can't look back and say, 'Man, I wish I was still in Denver,' because I think being here made me a man."He will, though, have to be a man -- perhaps the man -- for the Redskins' offense to succeed. He is signed through 2010, guaranteed $15.7 million over that time. And he is, by all accounts, the person who will be asked, again and again, to take the ball, regardless of the size of the holes or their existence at all.Only two men -- Pro Bowlers Brian Westbrook of Philadelphia and LaDainian Tomlinson of San Diego -- touched the ball as many times as Portis last season, and he trailed only those two in yards from scrimmage. But break it down by the average yards per touch -- Westbrook's 5.7 to Tomlinson's 5.2 to Portis's 4.4 -- and there is a gulf in production. Consider, too, that in 29 games over two years in Denver, Portis had 24 runs of at least 20 yards, six of more than 40. In 56 games for Washington, he has 18 times gained 20 yards. His last run of 40 or more yards came in 2005."I'm not going to say I didn't miss some opportunities over the last five, six years to have a home run," Portis said. "But [shoot], it was hard to come by those opportunities. And all of a sudden it'd pop up, and you miss it. That one time that you miss it, it don't come back."Portis insists that home-run ability is still there. "I know I still got it," he said. Others aren't sure."His decisiveness as a runner between the tackles seems a little bit hampered by the blocking schemes up front," said Sundquist, who drafted Portis and eventually traded him for all-pro cornerback Champ Bailey. "Especially under [former coach Joe] Gibbs, they weren't running a zone blocking scheme. As I watch Washington now, he gets kind of caught up in there and tends to start dancing, and he loses that lower power that he has. I just see more two- or three-yard runs out of Clinton than I ever did here. Even his bad runs here, they felt like they were four or five."Now, those bad runs are for short gains, no gain, losses. A dozen of Portis's carries against the Giants, more than half, went for three yards or less. Seventeen players ran for more yards than Portis in the opening week; none of them averaged fewer than his 3.7 yards per carry."Those are tough yards, aren't they?" Zorn said. It is precisely Portis's point. When the first body hits you at the line of scrimmage or behind it, what are you supposed to do? The home run is gone. "You got to get a single," he said, regardless of the external perception."People just outside looking in see 'Clinton Portis: 80 yards,' " Portis said. "Even though Clinton Portis would love to have 160 to 170 yards, those 80 yards, sometimes it's the hardest 80 yards you possibly will see somebody get if you watch the game. It's not like it's daylight there."The offensive linemen acknowledge their role in Portis's production, regardless of the numbers. "We got the group to really get him going this year," veteran guard Randy Thomas said. "We have to not talk about it and do it."There are, though, other factors involved when teammates and coaches assess Portis's body of work. At the forefront is just that: Work. Portis, by his own admission, is not a practice player. Unprompted, he reels off a list of teammates who work harder than him -- wide receiver James Thrash, running back Rock Cartwright, tight end Chris Cooley, on and on."They prepare full-speed," Portis said. "I prepare to learn. I prepare to get my game down. On Wednesday, I'm thinking, 'Learn my system, not making the mental mistakes. Know what I got to do.' On Thursday, I'm thinking, 'Get everything in place, more up-tempo, get my reads and that.' On Friday, I'm thinking, 'Relax, know everything by Friday, not have questions, not be clueless.' On Saturday, let me go out here and execute my plays correctly. No false steps, no missteps, make all my reads. And then when I get into the game on Sunday -- play football."That occasionally befuddles coaches and teammates. This week, Zorn quickly praised what he has discovered about Portis. "He really cares," Zorn said. Yet he shudders at Portis's notions about practice."I think you get out of the game what you put into your practices, too," Zorn said. "We might as well not come out if that's the way it is."There is no more common fundamental thread in football, from Pop Warner to the pros, than the notion that the quality of practice is directly related to the quality of play. Impressing that on Portis, though, has been difficult."He does have some growing to do as far as his approach to practice, preparation, conditioning, being able to work through injuries during practice -- all of those things, at least when I was there," said Earnest Byner, who served as the Redskins' running backs coach under Gibbs and now holds the same position with Tennessee. ". . . You also need to understand how that dynamic affects the entire picture, not just the individual."The upshot: There can be a trickle-down from Portis's practice attitude to other members of the team. No one, though -- not Byner, not Zorn, not the linemen -- questioned Portis's commitment to game-day performance. He is a fierce pass protector. He finishes even the runs that are doomed. Last week, he talked at length with Zorn during the game about how to adjust a particular play. He told Thomas how to better square up a block to give him room to cut."Anyone who's the guy that runs this offense, that's our wheels to this offense, wants to be the wheels," wide receiver Santana Moss said.Leaning back into the couch, Portis said he indeed wants to be the wheels. He was just that for the Broncos, a football lifetime ago. Now, whether he daydreams about being behind another line or in another city, he believes he can be again. He believes, too, that everyone in the league knows that."I can guarantee you there's never been a time a defensive coordinator came into the game and was like: 'Portis, don't worry about Portis. He's not capable of winning this game,' " Portis said. "I guarantee you that. I guarantee you when they turn on the film, they say, 'We stop Portis, we got a great chance.' "
 
dgreen said:
It seems we're fairly healthy for this one and the Saints are going to miss a couple key guys.
Talk on WTEM, including a reporter who was at practice today, said that Washington looks pretty questionable. K. Campbell out, Washington probably out, Reggie Bush has the opportunity to have a field day. As does Shockey.I was thinking about the game today, and whomever has the most room to run in the game --- Bush or Portis --- will dictate who wins the game I think.Cooley is also hurt, will likely play but can't go full speed.
 
No talk about the piece in the Wash Post this morning about Portis?
There was lots of talk about it on WTEM today, and one thing that came out is that NO REPORTER asked Zorn, Portis, or the O-linemen about it today at practice. What pansy-### press. But they talked about it plenty on the radio, and the talk came down 2 ways:Portis should never say that in public.andPortis has every right to feel that way. I like the guy, he's my favorite NFL player, and he plays extremely hard every week. But this is frustration and exasperation he's expressing, and it must have built a long time for him to say something in public. He's had 4 years of basically running into walls and getting hit in the backfield, the O-line now is as bad as it has ever been, there is no deep passing game to open up the box, and teams play the Redskins by jamming the WR's at the line and playing the run. It works. And it's likely to keep working since Zorn has shortened up the passing game.
"I wish I could go to a team for one week with the best offensive line, or the team with the best scheme, and switch places with their back and see how others would do in this system," Portis said, sitting on a couch the other day at Redskins Park. "I get a lot of touches with nowhere to run. I could see if I got all those touches and had some lanes, but there's nine or 10 men in the box."You know, I'm dodging all the people in the backfield, fighting just to get back to the line of scrimmage, and people [are] looking around like, 'Oh, he just missed it.' I'm dodging people getting the handoff, because nobody's really respecting us as a passing team."
Again, Portis shouldn't be saying that in public. But his head coach does similar things, especially criticizing the QB in public, and the job that Gibbs did in holding the team together through adversity is coming unraveled. Of course, some wins will do a lot to help that. As will some open field for Portis to run in. But when do we get to see those?
 
Portis has every right to be frustrated. But the great thing is, despite his frustration, he still gives 110% every game. He's by far the toughest guy on the team. And I agree with what he said. Put him behind the top lines in the league, and he's all world.

 
With Harper, Fujita and potentially McKenzie out for this game, Cooley and Moss should find some more space than they did last Thursday night. I'm feeling better about this game than I was last Sunday night. I think they'll get their deep plays with Henderson and/or Patten, but I also think the 'Skins offense can put up some points. Tampa ran on them with some success. Graham had 10 carries for 90 yards or something like that. I think Portis has 100 yards and Moss has some big plays of his own. It will come down to whether or not the defense can hold up enough.

 
I also listened to Rick "Doc" Walker today for awhile, talking about the Skins. That guy should not be on radio. He's an intelligent man and knows football, he has a good bit of information and he's pretty articulate. But he cannot remember what he started talking about. He starts on one idea, explains it part of the way through, it reminds him of something else so he switches to that topic, explains it part of the way through until he thinks of another tangent, which leads to another tangent and another and another. He ends up starting 5 lines of thought, finishing none of them, and when they're trying to get him to wrap it up for a commercial break he can't remember what he was trying to say in the first place. So he reverts to some bluster. And it was the same old bluster from Doc today about the upcoming Redskins/Saints game:

wait for it

"It's a manhood issue!"

:goodposting:

 
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No talk about the piece in the Wash Post this morning about Portis?
There was lots of talk about it on WTEM today, and one thing that came out is that NO REPORTER asked Zorn, Portis, or the O-linemen about it today at practice. What pansy-### press.
:excited: I haven't watched the post-practice presser at Redskins.com but JLC specifically mentions in his blog that Zorn was asked about it.

Washington Redskins Coach Jim Zorn is not concerned about running back Clinton Portis's criticism of Zorn's West Coast scheme and Washington's offensive line, Zorn said today.

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Informed of Portis's comments after the Redskins' final practice before Sunday's FedEx Field home opener, the even-keeled rookie head coach appeared unfazed while continuing to praise Portis, who today stood by his comments. "Do I need to say anything to him? It depends on if it was tongue-and-cheek [sic] or serious as a heart attack," Zorn said. "I would say this: He has not shown any frustration at all out at practice. He's been everything that we've wanted him to be as we've started the football season.
 
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My Tickets are available for the game tomorrow. I've got pressing things to get done that won't allow me to spend the day at the Stadium indulging in that kind of fun. :sadbanana:

1PM KickOff

These are literally some of the best seats in the Stadium...Section 103, Lower Bowl, Redskins Side of the Field, 30 Yard Line, 17th Row. Seats like these aren't available very often, on Ebay, StubHub or wherever. They are PRIMO...no kidding around.

I have 4 Tickets and a Green Parking Pass - face value is $435 - (4 X $100, PPass is $35) - I'm not looking for any more than to break even. I have an standing offer for less as a last resort, but I'd really like to break even.

It's opening day, after all. Face value is fair for both sides, I think...

I live in Rockville, MD (Southern Montgomery County), and can meet today, tonight or tomorrow AM to hand them off

PM me if interested, with your contact info, and we'll see what's what.

I'll post this as a topic of it's own later if I don't hear from anyone, but for now, I'm just putting it in here in the hopes of getting them into the hands of some 'skins fans.

Again, send a PM if interested, with contact info, preferrably a phone #, and we'll work out the details.

Thanks, Johnny/nittanylion

 
More Portis quotes in JLC's blog

"Since I've been here we haven't played with the line that was expected for us to have. We've lost Randy Thomas and Jon Jansen, or had makeshift [lines], had to plug in this lineman or get somebody last-minute. We've always shuffled our line-up, shuffled our quarterbacks. We really haven't had the same starting receivers. So as far as constant, I've been the only constant in the Washington Redskins, along with Chris Samuels and Chris Cooley. Other than that, everything else has been shuffled."
 
More Portis quotes in JLC's blog

"Since I've been here we haven't played with the line that was expected for us to have. We've lost Randy Thomas and Jon Jansen, or had makeshift [lines], had to plug in this lineman or get somebody last-minute. We've always shuffled our line-up, shuffled our quarterbacks. We really haven't had the same starting receivers. So as far as constant, I've been the only constant in the Washington Redskins, along with Chris Samuels and Chris Cooley. Other than that, everything else has been shuffled."
I think he is forgetting the 2006 season
 
Washington Inactives

Summary: QB Colt Brennan (3rd QB), OL Jason Fabini, OL Chad Rinehart, DE Rob Jackson, LB Khary Campbell, LB Marcus Washington, S Reed Doughty, S Kareem Moore

If I'm Drew Brees I throw 50 times today.

 
NFL.com quick summary:

It was over when ...Redskins rookie coach Jim Zorn made the gutsy decision to go for it on fourtth-and-2 from the Saints' 32-yard-line with just under two minutes remaining. Jason Campbell completed an 8-yard pass to Santana Moss for the first down, enabling the Redskins to go into the victory formation and run out the clock for Zorn's first career win.Game ballCampbell was steady throughout the game and stepped up to an even higher level in the fourth quarter. With the Redskins trailing by nine points entering the final stanza, Campbell led the team on two touchdown drives and finished 7-of-7 in the quarter for 157 yards and a touchdown.Key statThe best way to slow down an explosive offense is to keep the ball away from it, and the Redskins did just that, dominating the time of possession. They had the ball for over 34 minutes and held the Saints to just 54 total plays, limiting their ability to find a rhythm.
That was a hell of a comeback. I was sure they were dead.
 
Definately a much needed W. What a difference a week makes. They were far from perfect, but there were plenty of positive signs. The offense as a whole was good (as they should have been vs. the decimated Saints), but the red zone play calling was questionable for me. Defense was ok, did a decent job bottling up the run game and Brees never really got it going. A few stupid plays/penalties. It was great to have Springs back. Overall, looking good going into next week.

 
Defensive pressure on Brees was good; they got him several times. hurried him several more, and weren't afraid to let their DB's cover 1-on-1. Both safeties were good today.

I agree about the redzone playcalling. They noticeably slow down their speed of play there, and that has to be Zorn doing that by hesitant playcalling.

The 4th-and-2 playcall rocked, though.

 
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there should be no way that Reed Dougherty gets his SS job back after #48 Horton's performance today. He is looking like a 7th round steal.

 
Horton needs to be on the field, I agree. Every time a ball was loose he saw it first and was quicker going for it than anyone else on the field.

 
I'm very happy and will surely take the win. Though, I kind of wish I would seen a more full strength team from the Saints to gauge or team. We seem to be able to pass the ball a lot better, but it's much more understandable when you see who the Saints had to use in their secondary. So, I'm happy, but I don't know if I trust what I saw in the game as it being really US or if it was more because of THEM.

 
I'm very happy and will surely take the win. Though, I kind of wish I would seen a more full strength team from the Saints to gauge or team. We seem to be able to pass the ball a lot better, but it's much more understandable when you see who the Saints had to use in their secondary. So, I'm happy, but I don't know if I trust what I saw in the game as it being really US or if it was more because of THEM.
Think of it this way: our starting offense sucked the last time it faced backups in the preseason, so this is a big step forward. :pickle:
 
I saw improvement in a lot of offensive, defensive, and coaching areas for the Skins. I'm satisfied with that, and I want to see it every week. The record will take care of itself.

Speaking of records, Cooley looked hurt all day but caught several balls. 56 consecutive games with a reception. He missed his first practice ever last week. He puked on the sidelines at one point during yesterday's game due to pain from his leg.

 
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I saw improvement in a lot of offensive, defensive, and coaching areas for the Skins. I'm satisfied with that, and I want to see it every week. The record will take care of itself. Speaking of records, Cooley looked hurt all day but caught several balls. 56 consecutive games with a reception. He missed his first practice ever last week.
Using all 3 TOs in the first half before the 1st quarter was over wasn't the best indication of smoothness in the offense. It got better in the 2nd half, but still...
 
The 4th-and-2 playcall rocked, though.
According to Zorn, that was based on a suggestion from Offensive Assitant Chris Meidt. Personally, I thought it was kind of the obvious call. The defense is expecting a run. And, if they were going to fail to get the 1st down, it didn't really matter how they failed. IOW, an incomplete pass is just as damaging as a 1-yard run. The clock stops in both cases. When they came to the line all packed in and Moss was 1-on-1, I was going to be so pissed if they didn't throw.
 
The 4th-and-2 playcall rocked, though.
According to Zorn, that was based on a suggestion from Offensive Assitant Chris Meidt. Personally, I thought it was kind of the obvious call. The defense is expecting a run. And, if they were going to fail to get the 1st down, it didn't really matter how they failed. IOW, an incomplete pass is just as damaging as a 1-yard run. The clock stops in both cases. When they came to the line all packed in and Moss was 1-on-1, I was going to be so pissed if they didn't throw.
What I liked about this call was that it was an aggressive departure from Gibbs' play-calling. This ain't your grandpa's Gibbs' offense anymore.
 

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