****OFFICIAL 2008 Washington Redskins Thread**** (1 Viewer)

[dgreen]

Not only was the win blah, but the first team O and D were blah. They definitely didn't continue their smooth play of the first two weeks. Next week will be interesting. See if they bounce back as the starters should go a full half.

 

[fatness]

The talk on 980 today was that Jansen looks like a swinging gate and that Rinehart looked bad.

 

[Sidewinder16]

JLC takes a shot at predicting the final 53 (I removed most of the fluff and just listed the names):

QBs (3): Campbell, Collins, Cult of Colt

Specialists (3): Suisham, Brooks, Albright

RBs (4): Portis, Betts, Cartwright, Mason

TEs/FB (4): Cooley, Sellers, Yoder, Davis

WRs (6): Moss, Randle El, Thrash, Thomas, Kelly, McMullen

OL (9): Samuels, Kendall, Rabach, Thomas, Jansen, Fabini, Heyer, Rinehart, Geisinger

I gave the offense 26 players, as opposed to 24 with the D. That's often how it breaks down, especially with offensive-minded coaches.

DL (8): Taylor, Golston, Griffin, Carter, Evans, Montgomery, James, Alexander

LB (6): Fletcher, Washington, McIntosh, Blades, Campbell, Sinclair

CBs (5): Springs, Rogers, Smoot, Torrence, Tryon, Richardson

Safeties (5): Landry, Doughty, Moore, Horton, Fox

 

[Mr Capicollo]

JLC takes a shot at predicting the final 53 (I removed most of the fluff and just listed the names):

QBs (3): Campbell, Collins, Cult of Colt

Specialists (3): Suisham, Brooks, Albright

RBs (4): Portis, Betts, Cartwright, Mason

TEs/FB (4): Cooley, Sellers, Yoder, Davis

WRs (6): Moss, Randle El, Thrash, Thomas, Kelly, McMullen

OL (9): Samuels, Kendall, Rabach, Thomas, Jansen, Fabini, Heyer, Rinehart, Geisinger

I gave the offense 26 players, as opposed to 24 with the D. That's often how it breaks down, especially with offensive-minded coaches.

DL (8): Taylor, Golston, Griffin, Carter, Evans, Montgomery, James, Alexander

LB (6): Fletcher, Washington, McIntosh, Blades, Campbell, Sinclair

CBs (5): Springs, Rogers, Smoot, Torrence, Tryon, Richardson

Safeties (5): Landry, Doughty, Moore, Horton, Fox

Richardson and Sinclair are the only two questionable names on that list.

 

[Dexter Manley]

JLC takes a shot at predicting the final 53 (I removed most of the fluff and just listed the names):

QBs (3): Campbell, Collins, Cult of Colt

Specialists (3): Suisham, Brooks, Albright

RBs (4): Portis, Betts, Cartwright, Mason

TEs/FB (4): Cooley, Sellers, Yoder, Davis

WRs (6): Moss, Randle El, Thrash, Thomas, Kelly, McMullen

OL (9): Samuels, Kendall, Rabach, Thomas, Jansen, Fabini, Heyer, Rinehart, Geisinger

I gave the offense 26 players, as opposed to 24 with the D. That's often how it breaks down, especially with offensive-minded coaches.

DL (8): Taylor, Golston, Griffin, Carter, Evans, Montgomery, James, Alexander

LB (6): Fletcher, Washington, McIntosh, Blades, Campbell, Sinclair

CBs (5): Springs, Rogers, Smoot, Torrence, Tryon, Richardson

Safeties (5): Landry, Doughty, Moore, Horton, Fox

Too bad he's got 54 players listed. He's got 6 cb's, not 5.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Richardson and Sinclair are the only two questionable names on that list.

The numbering discrepancy Dexter Manley pointed out (He can't read, but he can count! ) can account for Richardson. Why is Sinclair questionable to you. Is it that you don't think they'll keep 6 LBs, or that you think another LB will be #6 (and if so, who?)?

 

[Mr Capicollo]

Richardson and Sinclair are the only two questionable names on that list.

The numbering discrepancy Dexter Manley pointed out (He can't read, but he can count! ) can account for Richardson. Why is Sinclair questionable to you. Is it that you don't think they'll keep 6 LBs, or that you think another LB will be #6 (and if so, who?)?

I don't think Sinclair is any good. I'd suspect they either keep Fincher or sign a veteran castoff from another team.

 

[Sebowski]

Can't let the Cows and Giants threads be on top....

New Cooley blog:

http://chriscooley47.blogspot.com/

I know, I know, the 20 questions from everyone got a little bit neglected, but they haven't been forgotten. One of my responses was to the nicknames post. When I first looked at the question I could only figure a couple of the guys that had real nicknames, although after walking around the locker room pre-practice I was amazed at how many guys actually get called by a nickname. I realize that some of the nicknames are no brainers, but I wanted to give a pretty honest look at who gets called what. Of course I didn't list anyone who goes primarily by a first or last name. I also excluded any media or fan nicknames; yea believe it or not none of my teammates call me "Captain Chaos," and no one calls CP "Southeast Jerome." Really, that would just be some stupid ****.

Ladell Betts – Buttsie

- Santana Moss – Tana Man

- Fred Davis – Boozie/Booze dog/Anything that you can incorporate with booze.

- Ethan Albright – Red Snapper

- Shawn Suisham – Shizam

- Khary Campbell – Moo-Stash/Mu-Stash/I can't figure the better way to spell it.

- Shawn Springs – Blue Foot

- Fred Smoot – Fredlacio/Smoot is notorious for making up new nicknames for himself, this can change on a daily basis.

- Mike Sellers – Fat Boy/He has "Dat Boy" tattooed on his arm, but Fat Boys is way cooler.

- Marcus Washington – Mwatt

- Carlos Rogers – Los/Like I said, there would be some no brainers.

- Dometric Evans – Meat

- Ryan Boschetti – Greasy Meatball

- Warren Simmons – Rennie/The tight ends call him "Sweets."

- Colt Brennan – McGarrett/Dt. Jack McGarrett

- Derek Divine – Calves

- Stephon Heyer – Wookie/Chewey/Just making the Wookie call

Todd Yoder – RRRRRRNNNNNYoder/Roll your r's, add some n sound and then Yoder.

- Brian Kozlowski – K-O-Z Lowski/I know he is gone, but he is my friend and I love that nickname.

- Todd Collins – Rainman

- Chris Cooley – When I first came to the team everyone called me Archie. I don't even know why, but it started with the coaching staff. I actually think Joe Bugle didn't know my first name until last year. Cool-Dog is also an old standby.

 

[T Bell]

Can't let the Cows and Giants threads be on top....

You are doing the Lord's work, my son.

 

[southeastjerome]

Can't let the Cows and Giants threads be on top....

New Cooley blog:

http://chriscooley47.blogspot.com/

I know, I know, the 20 questions from everyone got a little bit neglected, but they haven't been forgotten. One of my responses was to the nicknames post. When I first looked at the question I could only figure a couple of the guys that had real nicknames, although after walking around the locker room pre-practice I was amazed at how many guys actually get called by a nickname. I realize that some of the nicknames are no brainers, but I wanted to give a pretty honest look at who gets called what. Of course I didn't list anyone who goes primarily by a first or last name. I also excluded any media or fan nicknames; yea believe it or not none of my teammates call me "Captain Chaos," and no one calls CP "Southeast Jerome." Really, that would just be some stupid ****.

 

[fatness]

- Fred Davis – Boozie/Booze dog/Anything that you can incorporate with booze..- Dometric Evans – Meat- Todd Collins – Rainman

:X Fred Davis will never, ever live down the "oversleeping" thing. I bet that's where the "boozie" nicknames come from.

 

[T Bell]

- Fred Davis – Boozie/Booze dog/Anything that you can incorporate with booze..- Dometric Evans – Meat- Todd Collins – Rainman

Fred Davis will never, ever live down the "oversleeping" thing. I bet that's where the "boozie" nicknames come from.

The team bought him a big clock necklace like Flava-Flav wears before training camp.

 

[fatness]

Joe Bugel's daughter just died of cancer. Heard on the radio.

 

[Sidewinder16]

:(

Cancer is the giant suxor.

 

[buster c]

Richardson and Sinclair are the only two questionable names on that list.

The numbering discrepancy Dexter Manley pointed out (He can't read, but he can count! ) can account for Richardson. Why is Sinclair questionable to you. Is it that you don't think they'll keep 6 LBs, or that you think another LB will be #6 (and if so, who?)?

I don't think Sinclair is any good. I'd suspect they either keep Fincher or sign a veteran castoff from another team.

Sinclair looks stiff and #46 Fincher seems to be around the ball a lot. I think that the DE James will get bumped by #95 Wilson, and/or #98 Jackson, who shows a nice push from DE. #40 also is a nice sleeper. Also, I think #32 Hamilton may make Fox a casualty. Offensively, #16 drops too many and Mix will take his spot due to superior ST work. And #23 Mason gets cut because he fumbles (and used to be a Dallas fan).I'd like to see 2-3 of the backup OL on the p-squad, like #62 Clark, #63 and #72 Crummey.

 

[buster c]

brandon lloyd blocked a punt for chicago tonight

 

[Mr Capicollo]

brandon lloyd blocked a punt for chicago tonight

I'm glad for him that the Bears finally found the highest and best use for his hands.

 

[fatness]

brandon lloyd blocked a punt for chicago tonight

He couldn't duck out of the way in time?

 

[Bizkiteer]

brandon lloyd blocked a punt for chicago tonight

I'm glad for him that the Bears finally found the highest and best use for his hands.

I thought he was best at keeping the bench warm for the starters.

 

[fatness]

Washington Post article about the Skins/Panthers game

Zorn's expectation was to stretch the field if at all possible with his starters playing in the first half -- hoping to take several deep shots -- but this outing quickly devolved into a rudimentary exercise in mere survival. His best wishes -- to see Campbell flash his big arm; to display a downfield component to offset the traditional dink-and-dunk look of his West Coast offense -- never materialized, with every facet of his offense utterly overwhelmed from the onset.

So much for the game plan. So much for three games worth of largely steady production and mounting positive vibes that the Redskins' latest transition to a new offense would be smooth. In this, the second-to-last preseason game -- and the final exhibition with the starters scheduled to play any significant role -- Washington's big-money guys left the field trailing 34-0 in what would end up a 47-3 loss, and Zorn was simply trying to salvage a yard or two by any means necessary.

The play the rookie coach most longed to see, Campbell launching a 50-yard strike down the middle of the field, never took flight, with his aging offensive line completely overrun by Carolina's front seven. The Redskins could barely execute a three-yard hitch, much less hold off the Panthers long enough for Campbell to drop back five steps or more and set. At least twice, Campbell undermined his own well-being, holding the ball too long to contribute to sacks and busted plays. Virtually everything Zorn aspired to was blown up before it began.

In one stretch of the first quarter, Campbell was sacked three times in six plays and was flung harshly to the ground to boot. Every part of the line crumbled. When Campbell failed to get rid of the ball in time, the Panthers plunged right through the interior of the line. Both tackles were victimized -- right tackle Jon Jansen's problems in pass protection were never more glaring, even before spraining his right foot; Julius Peppers plowed Samuels five yards directly into Campbell's back, causing a fumble and Zorn's rethink.

 

[fatness]

Taylor suffered a sprained right knee after getting tangled up on a play in the second quarter, according to Coach Jim Zorn. X-rays were negative, Zorn said, and Taylor is scheduled for an MRI exam today.

"When he flipped over and they pulled down his sock, that's a very bad sign," Zorn said. "It was a tough situation, but I think we're going to come out of it okay. Our initial evaluation is that I think we'll come out of this one okay."

But judging by his teammates' overt acts of concern when Taylor was forced to leave the game, it seems he might be sidelined for significant time, at the very least.

LinkGood thing the draft is coming up next week and we have high draft picks which we can use on offensive and defensive linemen.

Oh, wait...........

 

[fatness]

Washington Times blog

As if losing six-time Pro Bowl defensive end Jason Taylor to a sprained right knee wasn't bad enough, right offensive tackle Jon Jansen sprained his right foot. That's five straight years that one-time ironman Jansen has been hurt: The rundown: season-ending ruptured Achilles' in 2004; broken thumbs, 2005; torn calf muscle, 2006; season-ending broken right leg and fractured right ankle in the 2007 opener; and now the foot. That's quite a litany. And suddenly Stephon Heyer, the 2007 rookie free agent from Maryland, is a starter again.

Jansen was getting pushed around regularly, and Heyer looked bad last night, too.

 

[Ripleys]

call me crazy, but I think maybe this loss could be a blessing in disguise. Things were almost going too good so far this preseason. The team may have thought they were better than they really were. Hopefully guys get fired up, come back with a better effort. I do know if the skins line can't protect Campbell better, it will be a long season. And did Santana Moss even play last night? Stinks when your #1 WR doesn't make ANY noise for an entire half

 

[PSULions]

call me crazy, but I think maybe this loss could be a blessing in disguise. Things were almost going too good so far this preseason. The team may have thought they were better than they really were. Hopefully guys get fired up, come back with a better effort. I do know if the skins line can't protect Campbell better, it will be a long season. And did Santana Moss even play last night? Stinks when your #1 WR doesn't make ANY noise for an entire half

He did and was targeted a few times, but Campbell was in duress most of the night and when you are only able to muster 3 or 4 first downs in a full half of action you are not going to be executing many offensive plays. Keep the chin up... I think the Skins will learn from this game and improve.

 

[T Bell]

When Chris Samuels is healthy, he's a Pro Bowl tackle. I have never, never seen him get manhandled the way he got manhandled by Peppers last night.

If this is at all indicative of the way our line pass protects, then we're in for a long year, with a lot of run-first offense once again. God that was ugly.

 

[southeastjerome]

Taylor suffered a sprained right knee after getting tangled up on a play in the second quarter, according to Coach Jim Zorn. X-rays were negative, Zorn said, and Taylor is scheduled for an MRI exam today.

"When he flipped over and they pulled down his sock, that's a very bad sign," Zorn said. "It was a tough situation, but I think we're going to come out of it okay. Our initial evaluation is that I think we'll come out of this one okay."

But judging by his teammates' overt acts of concern when Taylor was forced to leave the game, it seems he might be sidelined for significant time, at the very least.

LinkGood thing the draft is coming up next week and we have high draft picks which we can use on offensive and defensive linemen.

Oh, wait...........

Yeah I don't have a good feeling about this MRI today at all...How did Erasmus James look?

 

[fatness]

I only saw James on 2 plays (it was hard watching the game). He looked quick, because he was across the line of scrimmage well before the ball was snapped, drawing a penalty.

 

[T Bell]

I only saw James on 2 plays (it was hard watching the game). He looked quick, because he was across the line of scrimmage well before the ball was snapped, drawing a penalty.

I'm pretty sure we lead the league in cutting reviews when our team blows goats.

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

Watching the replay right now. Its ashame Stevie Smith was able to catch the juggling ball on the 3rd down play, 2 plays before JT got hurt. Also it appears that Kareem Moore could be a steal at the 6th rd pick. From a small school and had a knee issue after his senior year, but this kid covers well. He may look good with Landry in a year or 2

 

[fatness]

I'm pretty sure we lead the league in cutting reviews when our team blows goats.

It's an art form. Looks like we'll get to practice it a lot this year, unfortunately. Their lines got decimated last night, with the exception of the D-line in the 1st quarter before Taylor went out. Taylor had done nothing outstanding at all, but he was occupying 2 blockers on each play and that allowed the rest of the line to exert some pressure. Supposedly (radio report) he'll be out 10-14 days. Kareem Moore was the only defensive player who looked good. Linemen were getting blown off the ball, LB's were out of position, DB's were getting left in single coverage and beaten regularly. What the #### is it when the Redskins blitz anyway? The last time I think they got to anyone with a blitz was right about the time the cotton gin was invented. Other teams regularly exert pressure through blitzes but not our team, oh no. They're polite. The blitzers look to see who's supposed to block them and they run right at the blocker.

Hello, nice to meet you Mr. Blocker. Let's stand here and chat while the play evolves. How are the wife and kids?

 

[T Bell]

I'm pretty sure we lead the league in cutting reviews when our team blows goats.

It's an art form. Looks like we'll get to practice it a lot this year, unfortunately. Their lines got decimated last night, with the exception of the D-line in the 1st quarter before Taylor went out. Taylor had done nothing outstanding at all, but he was occupying 2 blockers on each play and that allowed the rest of the line to exert some pressure. Supposedly (radio report) he'll be out 10-14 days. Kareem Moore was the only defensive player who looked good. Linemen were getting blown off the ball, LB's were out of position, DB's were getting left in single coverage and beaten regularly. What the #### is it when the Redskins blitz anyway? The last time I think they got to anyone with a blitz was right about the time the cotton gin was invented. Other teams regularly exert pressure through blitzes but not our team, oh no. They're polite. The blitzers look to see who's supposed to block them and they run right at the blocker.

Hello, nice to meet you Mr. Blocker. Let's stand here and chat while the play evolves. How are the wife and kids?

This is why I've wanted to see Landry blitzing more, but they just don't have the horses in the secondary to allow that to happen. BTW, for your enjoyment, I made this after last night's game.

 

[dallas428]

Ohhhhh...Me so Zorniiieeee!!!

 

[dgreen]

Does everyone realize that the Redskins actually game planned for that game? I saw several interviews with Zorn saying so and I remember one interview with Cooley talking about how they were going to game plan for the Panthers.

Oops.

 

[Sylira21]

Gah...this game reminded me of a preseason game, I think it was Gibbs' second year, where the Skins got HAMMERED by the Patriots in preseason. Something like 41-0. I believe that this was when the team was projected to do pretty well, be a contender, but that game presaged a 5-11 record, if memory serves correctly. They got beat in every phase of the game, just like Saturday night.

About the only good thing I can say is that I thought Carolina was going to be vastly improved this year...I think the Skins got beat up by a good team, if that's any consolation.

 

[fatness]

Gah...this game reminded me of a preseason game, I think it was Gibbs' second year, where the Skins got HAMMERED by the Patriots in preseason. Something like 41-0. I believe that this was when the team was projected to do pretty well, be a contender, but that game presaged a 5-11 record, if memory serves correctly. They got beat in every phase of the game, just like Saturday night.

That was 2 years ago, and you're exactly right. Kevin Sheehan and Andy Polian were talking about that this morning.

 

[fatness]

Now Zorn is talking about playing the starters again in the final preseason game. They won't distinguish themselves and a couple of them will get hurt.

Buy liquor in bulk, men. It's going to be bumpy season.

 

[dgreen]

I, for one, am getting sick of Comcast Sportsnet's endless technical difficulties. It seems like they've had something go wrong in almost every preseason game they've covered since winning the broadcast rights a couple years ago. This week was the worst.

I'm so glad this next game is an NBC nationally televised game.

 

[T Bell]

Now Zorn is talking about playing the starters again in the final preseason game. They won't distinguish themselves and a couple of them will get hurt.

I'm going to subscribe to the "never let them see you sweat" philosophy here and indicate my preference for not changing the approach to the last preseason game based upon Saturday's performance. If you treat Saturday like it's a crisis, then it's now a crisis and what happens if the offense is shaky once again on Thursday? It's a veteran team that by all accounts has worked hard this preaseason (especially with that extra Hall of Fame game) and that had a bad game. I don't think you treat this as anything more than that, especially when your season, like your preseason, starts early and your guys can use the rest while the roster can't afford any more important injuries. Work out the kinks in practice.

 

[fatness]

Don't read this.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Our Defense has been very vanilla all pre-season. Add in a bad performance from our offense and this is what you....errrr...we get. I know that most of our starters on D have not played much this pre-season, but our defense has looked very suspect in every game. They might come out and have a good series or two, but they can't seem to stop anyone when they really have to do it. Our offense has been clicking up until this point, so it hasn't been as evident. I hope I am wrong on this one, but that is how I see it so far.

 

[Sidewinder16]

I, for one, am getting sick of Comcast Sportsnet's endless technical difficulties. It seems like they've had something go wrong in almost every preseason game they've covered since winning the broadcast rights a couple years ago. This week was the worst.I'm so glad this next game is an NBC nationally televised game.

Broadcasting live sporting events should be a pretty straightforward endeavor by now. Not sure what their problem is. I was lucky enough for this week that I'm in an area that also had the Panther broadcast on a local channel.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Vernon Fox was cut. That will leave us with a lot of youth (read: inexperience) at safety. The remaining safeties on the roster are Landry, Doughty, Moore, Horton, Hamilton and Ghee. I imagine Ghee will be the odd man out in that group.

ETA: Babatunde Oshinowo and Dorian Smith were also cut. That leaves two more to be cut before tomorrow afternoon.

 

[dgreen]

Offensive Players Want to Play ThursdayJim Zorn has told the offensive starters that, after their performance in a 47-3 loss Saturday night to Carolina, they need to prepare to play Thursday and veteran players told Jason Reid and Paul Tenorio that they agree."Yeah, no doubt we have to do this," wide receiver Antwaan Randle El said. "With the way we played, it's just the right thing to do."Offensive coordinator Sherman Smith said that the group has too much pride "to let that be the last taste in their mouth. I never doubted that they'd want to go back out [Thursday, in the preseason finale against Jacksonville at FedEx Field] and show what they're about."Players said that Zorn has not specified how many series they can expect to play. They'll game plan for the first two series, but if they "sustain a drive, it might be one and out."Struggles weren't limited to the offense Saturday, but defensive starters get a break Thursday. "This is the first time since I've been here that I would say the other team played with more intensity than we did," linebacker London Fletcher said. "Obviously we didn't need to see the game tape to know we didn't play well."...Jon Jansen also gave a quick update on the foot injury he suffered Saturday night, saying it is a little bruised. "No doubt in a couple of days, it'll be fine," Jansen said. He expects to be ready for the season opener Sept. 4.

No quote from Portis, of course.

 

[dgreen]

Vernon Fox was cut. That will leave us with a lot of youth (read: inexperience) at safety. The remaining safeties on the roster are Landry, Doughty, Moore, Horton, Hamilton and Ghee. I imagine Ghee will be the odd man out in that group.

ETA: Babatunde Oshinowo and Dorian Smith were also cut. That leaves two more to be cut before tomorrow afternoon.

Matt Sinclair released.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Vernon Fox was cut. That will leave us with a lot of youth (read: inexperience) at safety. The remaining safeties on the roster are Landry, Doughty, Moore, Horton, Hamilton and Ghee. I imagine Ghee will be the odd man out in that group.

ETA: Babatunde Oshinowo and Dorian Smith were also cut. That leaves two more to be cut before tomorrow afternoon.

Matt Sinclair released.

Burl Toler's release gets 'em down to 75.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Now Zorn is talking about playing the starters again in the final preseason game. They won't distinguish themselves and a couple of them will get hurt.

I'm going to subscribe to the "never let them see you sweat" philosophy here and indicate my preference for not changing the approach to the last preseason game based upon Saturday's performance. If you treat Saturday like it's a crisis, then it's now a crisis and what happens if the offense is shaky once again on Thursday? It's a veteran team that by all accounts has worked hard this preaseason (especially with that extra Hall of Fame game) and that had a bad game. I don't think you treat this as anything more than that, especially when your season, like your preseason, starts early and your guys can use the rest while the roster can't afford any more important injuries.

Work out the kinks in practice.

If Chris Cooley is any indicator, the players are pretty ticked and eager to rectify a miserable performance.

Of course much concern will invade the Redskins after this week, but hopefully there is compensation in our trial. A confident 3-0 team has been humbled with more than enough time to inventory our problems. It seems unlikely, but everyone has something to learn from a loss like the one we just took. We will also have a new motivation to improve as a team.

Tomorrow's sunrise marks the 11th day left in preparation for the Super Bowl champs. There is no question in my mind whether or not this team will show up to Redskins Park ready to work. Keeping in mind that we still play Jacksonville, we will be ready for a Thursday night showdown in New York. This loss will do nothing inside the locker room besides renew vigor - and for the first time in the past couple weeks I can't wait to get back to practice.

 

[dgreen]

Zorn said on the radio last night that he's just sending the starters back out for one series. If they go 3-and-out, he'll consider a second series.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Goode Released; Verdun-Wheeler Back

Goode, a 6-3, 238-pound tight end out of Maryland, has turf toe. Verdun-Wheeler returns to bolster the linebacker numbers, with Marcus Washington resting his hip a bit last week.

 

[T Bell]

Zorn said on the radio last night that he's just sending the starters back out for one series. If they go 3-and-out, he'll consider a second series.

Well, given that the veteran offensive players seem to back this move, I will too, but my nightmare is going to be in the form of a major injury.

 

[saintfool]

with all the talk about campbell's adjusting to the zorn system, do redskins fans really expect a significant bump in his numbers?