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Campbell is not the problem. He's demonstrated that he can make plays if he has any sort of help at all around him. Fiery leaders are overrated at the QB position. I'm not saying Campbell is great or elite or anything like that, but this team can win with him at the QB position.
I think Campbell can be a QB that won't lose any games for you, but he probably won't win any either. I'm fine with that. Build the line and give him time and he can be a solid QB. Just don't ask him to run the not-so-hurry-up and drive for a winning score. Sure, it would be nice to have a stud at QB, but history shows you don't need one to win consistently.I believe Gibbs said there are 100 guys who can play QB well when given protection and 4 or 5 guys who can do it without protection. Odds are you aren't going to have one of those 4 or 5 guys on your roster, so you have to have good protection.Mr Capicollo said:
That's the thing, I don't think Campbell is capable of making the right reads to routinely move us down the field with any kind of consistency. If we didn't have a good defense, I think everyone would be a lot less patient with him. If Portis doesn't do most of the work or if we don't have a REALLY good kick return, he's not doing anything out there.
The optimist in me says we have about a 3% chance, the realist says 0%.
Wait...there's an optimist in you?The optimist in me says we have about a 3% chance, the realist says 0%.
touche!There is when I have reason to be optimistic. I got nothing this year. :XWait...there's an optimist in you?The optimist in me says we have about a 3% chance, the realist says 0%.
The biggest issue with the Redskins right now is that they are regressing. The offense is clearly worse than it was in the beginning of the season. The defense is slipping. And it looks like the players bascially gave up during the game. Those are all bad signs for coach Zorn.Look at Gibbs 1.0. They went 0-5 and looked bad. But they finished 8-8, which led to a lot of optimism for the following year. If the Redskins don't play better for the next two games, there is really no reason to be optimistic about Zorn and next season.Note: I am usually not a proponent of firing coaches. I thought firing Turner midseason was idiotic and firing Marty after one season was a bad football decision.
Why are you convinced Zorn is the problem that needs to be fixed, though? If Zorn is at the heart of the problem, why aren't the players saying something (I'm not convinced Portis' comments last week count, given the situation)?To a man, they were saying it was the players who weren't getting it done on the field after the Bengals loss. I find it hard to believe the whole locker room is willing to throw themselves under the bus after a game like this if they really believed someone else were to blame.
I don't think our perceptions of how sports and organizations in general work.I think to really excel, you need people who are willing to go all out and put forth the extra effort. And all that effort needs to be focused in the same direction. And to get a group of people to do that day after day, you need a leader who can inspire and lead them.So if (a big if) Zorn has lost the team, that is a sign that he may not have that type of leadership. Also, next year, many of these same players will be back. You can slowly get rid of the bad players, but it is difficult to overhaul the entire team. If (the big if again) Zorn has lost the team, can he regain it with the holdovers next season?If either of these are part of the problem, then is it time to move on from Zorn. The next two weeks will be telling. If the Redskins play hard and have lots of effort, that's a good sign for Zorn. If they play lackluster, full of mental error and penalties, and have ridiculous things happen like Moss wiping his shoes with a towel, that is an extremely bad sign for Zorn.
A blind pig finds an acorn once in awhile. So: yeah.
I guess I'm just tired of "good enough" or "average" I want an elite QB. Aren't we due for one?
I saw the clips. I don't know. Part of me just thinks he's saying what he thinks he's supposed to say right now. He's being criticized for not taking enough blame, so he says it's his fault. It will take more of those pressers for me to believe he believes it.
But that's nothing small and not an easy, quick fix. Heyer is the only young OL I think is ready to play (evidence being that he is actually playing). IF Rinehart is ready next year, that will help the process. Samuels can hopefully give us a couple more years. But, from there, you still have two other OL spots that are either done or quickly on their way to being done. It's going to take some time to fill those two spots and also prepare for Samuels eventual demise.Who knows? Maybe some of the other young players like Devin Clark will somehow be ready to step in next year. That would be great and help tremendously. But, my guess is they need to use a few draft picks on the line and then they need them to pan out in the next couple years. I assume they'll bring in a veteran OL to challenge for a spot next year, but they need to put a plan into motion to have a new OL by 2010.
I think it will be very interesting to see if Vinny will be patient and try to draft OL talent or go the impatient route and sign one or two expensive free agents to fill the holes. Free agent OL is expensive. Although free agents will probably help them win more games next year, drafting and developing OL talent will probably help them more in the long run. Then again, if an upcapped year is coming up, Snyder may not care at all how much he pays for OL help.
I don't think that Gibbs believed it most of the time that he said it. He was being a good leader and taking heat off of his team. Now, you're right in that it will take more pressers for Zorn to make the team believe that he has their backs.
Here's the good news - it's a bit easier and quicker to find OL's who can turn your line around than it is skill positions, generally speaking. Cleveland essentially did it in a year. So did Minny. OTOH, look how long it's taken to find a good QB - some teams (Chicago, Arizona, etc.) take decades. I happen to prefer this position, all things considered . . . of course I believe that Campbell is the QB we've been looking for. YMMV.
I disagree. I think Gibbs believed that if something was wrong it is ultimately his fault. That's not to say he didn't think fault lied elsewhere too. It's not an either/or situation. If something is going wrong, it's always the fault of those at the top. They are in charge. Now, this isn't the case with Zorn, but those at the top are the ones who formed the roster. That's a huge reason why it's always the fault of those at the top. Leadership should not be in the business of making excuses. They have to have the mentality that it is their fault, while also realizing the fault of the players.
That's absolutely what happened. He's feeling the heat. Would have been nice to hear this stuff a couple weeks ago. Maybe start that self evaluating when the offense started to sputter rather than after losing 5 of 6. I think the Sherman Smith pick needs to be scrutinized as well. I think we're having the same problems that we had with Spurrier. We have two VERY green guys out there in charge of the offense and calling plays. The defenses know what we're doing out there, you know it's bad when the Bengals can telegraph your moves. Campbell I think has tapped out on potential...he's as good as he's going to get, he's a game manager who won't lose a game. He's missing wide open guys and that's driving me nuts. At least he's not Brunell. If we can get Cowher, I do it, otherwise I'm fine rolling with Zorn. If we do wind up sticking with him I think we should consider bringing in an experience OC, or at the very least a consultant.
And there is more here, including corrections: Link
I think after the CP incident a few weeks ago, Mr. Snyder went out and bought a public relations machine. Czabe was saying that Zorn had a guy with him at his post game who cut things off earlier than normal, he also said there was a guy with Campbell and someone else, I forget for their interviews.fatness said:
Karl Swanson, and he's been with the team for several years at least as a PR guy. His presence at the press conferences and his role in cutting them off was what was new.
WE'RE HEADED FOR SALARY CAP HELL!Seriously, though, that's more than I expected. If they can free up a ton of salary cap space, they may have what it takes to address part of their line problems in FA. They shouldn't try to address all the problems there and should still focus on drafting some young talent on the line, but this could accelerate the process of rebuilding things.I'm not sure who is a FA this year. But, if there's a relatively young stud DE, I'd say go for it.fatness said:
I think you nailed it. I also believe that Gibbs genuinely believed all the things he said, which helped the team believe it.
We're headed to 49er type problems
LOL at our 4 Pro Bowlers being offensive players. In fact, Zorn and Czabe had a little spat yesterday on the radio about that. It went something like...Zorn: Portis, Cooley, Samuels, and Sellers made the Pro Bowl from our offense.Mike Sellers is the only 'Skin on the starting NFC Pro Bowl roster.
Portis, Cooley and Samuels make it as reserves. Fletcher gets the Pro Bowl shaft, again.
I think we knew that was a disasterous off season after 1 year.The last two years were really the first ones under the Redskins did not trade away pick willy-nilly for players. So we will see if that helps them become younger and more talented. Unfortunately, they already spent their 2009 2nd round pick for Jason Taylor.
It sounds like he is taking a shot at your Cowboys and TO. About how he doesn't complain and whine and is one of the guys who just quietly goes out and does his job.
Portis didn't "hold a private meeting" with Zorn - Portis' noteworthy act was to go on the radio and run his mouth. Zorn met with him to smooth things out. The person whose meeting was noteworthy was TO's, along with his merry band of backups.Bankerguy said:
Haynesworth has off the field issues, which means Gibbs would never go for him. It will be interesting to see if the Redskins go for him. Based on earlier posts here, it looks the Redskins could have a lot of money to throw around at free agency, if they want to.thayman said:
Where have I heard this one before . . . ?thayman said:
I was just trying to illistrate the irony in the statement.It's all good boys.
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