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*** Official 2009 Minnesota Vikings Offseason Thread *** (1 Viewer)

I just don't see Sage for a 4th when u could try out Leftwhich, garcia, JP, or even possibly warner and not have to give up a pick I just don't get it and don't see it being the answer. Especially now that Warner will become an unrestricted free agent cause no deal got done with arizona...Heck I would even rather try out Grossman or Collins...Sage gas been horrible and there is a reason why he has been a lifelong backup...But I guess the positive way to look at it is if it happens the Vikes will then have the top group of backup qbs...
Lefty is a drop back seven yards and throw deep passer. If you think he would fit Chilly's West Coast system, then look at some tape of his time with Jax.Garcia is old, and over-rated. See my previous posts. Do you remember Cleveland and Detroit?JP...seriously? Mr. Lock-in-on-One-Receiver-and-Force-it-in?There are $10 million reasons not to sign Warner. Would be a good sign, but I do not see that happening...If TJax frustrates you at all, Gorssman would too. It might be a good chance to take, but still he just takes too many chances for Chilly. (Much the same as Losman.)Might as well stay with Gus if Collins is your guy.I am not trying to drill holes in all your suggestions. My point is that there is really nothing out there (besides overpaying Warner) that will make the kind of splash that everyone seems to think we need. To me the signing of Sage is low risk. The 4th rounder isn't giving up that much. Most of Houston fans wanted Sage to be the starter at the beginning of last year because he outperformed Schaub in 07. Let's face it, there is not a "perfect signing" at QB this year! Sage has some eperience but not a lot of tread on his tires. Why not?
 
I just don't see Sage for a 4th when u could try out Leftwhich, garcia, JP, or even possibly warner and not have to give up a pick I just don't get it and don't see it being the answer. Especially now that Warner will become an unrestricted free agent cause no deal got done with arizona...Heck I would even rather try out Grossman or Collins...Sage gas been horrible and there is a reason why he has been a lifelong backup...But I guess the positive way to look at it is if it happens the Vikes will then have the top group of backup qbs...
Lefty is a drop back seven yards and throw deep passer. If you think he would fit Chilly's West Coast system, then look at some tape of his time with Jax.Garcia is old, and over-rated. See my previous posts. Do you remember Cleveland and Detroit?JP...seriously? Mr. Lock-in-on-One-Receiver-and-Force-it-in?There are $10 million reasons not to sign Warner. Would be a good sign, but I do not see that happening...If TJax frustrates you at all, Gorssman would too. It might be a good chance to take, but still he just takes too many chances for Chilly. (Much the same as Losman.)Might as well stay with Gus if Collins is your guy.I am not trying to drill holes in all your suggestions. My point is that there is really nothing out there (besides overpaying Warner) that will make the kind of splash that everyone seems to think we need. To me the signing of Sage is low risk. The 4th rounder isn't giving up that much. Most of Houston fans wanted Sage to be the starter at the beginning of last year because he outperformed Schaub in 07. Let's face it, there is not a "perfect signing" at QB this year! Sage has some eperience but not a lot of tread on his tires. Why not?
I agree with your points and pretty much know all this but I just can't see giving up a 4th for a career backup there is a reason he has never been a starter..yes a 4th isn't much but it's still a 4th for a backup qb that we do not need..I just don't get it...I consider it a wasted pick even though it is only a 4th..but hopefully halfway through the season I can be proven wrong as I would be fine with that and hope for that, but do not see it which is why I think it is a waste..
 
If they signed Warner now...they would be immediate SB contenders rather than a lets hope we can win a playoff game on the backs of a running back and a Dline.

Warner, as a Packer fan, would frighten me if he was on the Vikings.

 
sho nuff said:
If they signed Warner now...they would be immediate SB contenders rather than a lets hope we can win a playoff game on the backs of a running back and a Dline.Warner, as a Packer fan, would frighten me if he was on the Vikings.
You have proved yourself in this forum, nobody gives a #### what you think.
 
sho nuff said:
If they signed Warner now...they would be immediate SB contenders rather than a lets hope we can win a playoff game on the backs of a running back and a Dline.Warner, as a Packer fan, would frighten me if he was on the Vikings.
You have proved yourself in this forum, nobody gives a #### what you think.
Thanks for sticking to the topic and not going personal...quite refreshing.
 
TJ Housh says he's interested in joining the Vikings, not sure if its a ploy to drive up money or if he's really interested. Not sure we will spend big money on a WR for the second straight year.

Im hoping we make atleast one impact signing on the offensive line. Jason Brown would be an upgrade of Birk, but im fine with Birk coming back. The center makes all the line calls so Brown would have to learn that, which might take some time. One thing is for sure, Ryan Cook will not be our starting RT.

Is the plan to have Tyrell Johnson starting with Williams this year?

I agree that I like the signing of Jayme Mitchell, if Udeze can give us something this year I really like our DE's. Jared and Robison on one side. Edwards, Mitchell, and Udeze on the other.

Im hoping we can resign Kleinsasser, he's been with us for 9 years and I like the combo with Shinacoe.

 
Kleinsasser's back!!!!!!!!!!!!
nice! Gus stayed classy with the cutting. :thumbup:
“I talked to Coach Childress and he started to explain the whole deal,” Frerotte said. “I stopped him and said, ‘You don’t have to explain.’ I appreciate you having me come up there and believing in me. I had a lot of fun and am proud of everything we accomplished as a team. I really enjoyed playing with everybody on the Vikings. I just wanted to thank [Childress] and Mr. Wilf for letting me be a part of the team. Most of all I wanted to thank all Vikings fans. Minnesota is one of my favorite places to play and the stadium is awesome. I really enjoyed myself.”
 
February 27th, 2009 – 3:11 PM by Chip Scoggins

We just completed our press conference with Sage Rosenfels and Brad Childress. As we blogged earlier, the Vikings released Gus Frerotte on Friday.

Here are some quotes from Rosenfels:

– “There are a lot of things that are appealing about having a chance to start for this team,” he said. “It’s a very good football team. Everyone knows that. They have a lot of strengths. They have a great defense, one of the best running games in the league. So for a quarterback to come in, it’s a great opportunity.”

– “I’m excited to compete for the starting job,” he said. “I think it’s going to make this football team better. It’s going to make me better. I’m just going to go out there and do the best job I can to help this football team any way I can.”

– “I was hoping to have a chance to compete in Houston. A couple of things happened. They went and got Matt Schaub and he got a huge contract. They gave a up lot, two second rounders for him. So that competition was sort of over before it started.”

– “The No. 1 thing I want fans to know is that I’m an extremely hard worker. I think people from the Upper Midwest can really appreciate that. I’m going to work extremely hard for this football team to help us win football games. That’s sort of been the way I’ve always gone about things. I’m a guy who probably brings some fire and intensity to how I play. You’ll never have a problem with a lack of effort from me.”

Brad Childress also talked and said the Vikings will likely add another quarterback to the mix and bring four to training camp. He was coy when asked what type of quarterback the Vikings will pursue.

Childress said he has talked with Tarvaris Jackson about his expectation for the competition with Rosenfels and was supposed to meet with him again Friday afternoon.

“It’s my job to be able to make sure Sage gets the same number of throws to Bernard Berrian [in practice] as Tarvaris does. We’ll be able to put that together. They’re going to get a chance to play behind the first offensive line, hand the ball to Adrian Peterson, play behind the second offensive line. As I mention to you, guys who have won [starting] spots before [are] able to move the team regardless of who’s in the game.”

We’ll have much more as we work through our tapes on Rosenfels and a free agency update with Rick Spielman.

 
Well I continue to stand on record in saying bringing in Sage will cost Childress his job, which is a GOOD thing. Sage's deal, while very small compared to some of the money that has been thrown around already, is worse than the original 3 yr- $9 mill reported. Sage averages like 1.9 turnovers a game. I sure hope we pick up more OL help to protect Sage so he can bring that average down to about 1 per game. :censored:

Too bad we missed out on Jason Smith from Baltimore, who signed with the Rams. Hello Mr. Sullivan.

 
I think Sage Rosenfels is gonna play some good football there in MN if he ends up winning that job. He's really not that bad of a QB. That paralyzingly embarrassing loss to the Colts aside, he's got potential to be just what the doctor ordered there. I really think his biggest drawback is his name. I mean seriously, though not really, who names their kid SAGE? Silly to say, but if the guy's name was 'Johnny Gunslinger' he'd probably atleast sound a whole lot more QBish. :censored:

 
I would like to see the Vikings bring in Phillip Buchanon. He has played in the cover 2 in Tampa and is much better in coverage than Griffin. I could see Buchanon beating out Griffin in TC but a rotation between the 2 based on down and distance as Griffin is a better tackler and we may still want to use him on 1st downs or obvious running situations.

Thoughts?

 
I would like to see the Vikings bring in Phillip Buchanon. He has played in the cover 2 in Tampa and is much better in coverage than Griffin. I could see Buchanon beating out Griffin in TC but a rotation between the 2 based on down and distance as Griffin is a better tackler and we may still want to use him on 1st downs or obvious running situations.Thoughts?
Not a bad idea. Doesn't he also return punts? We need a punt returner.
 
Vikings entertain HoushmandzadehFebruary 28th, 2009 – 9:34 PM by Chip Scoggins

We have confirmed that T.J. Houshmandzadeh is in town and is having dinner with a contingent of Vikings officials in a private room at an upscale downtown restaurant, according to sources/spies.

Sounds like the team is putting the full-court press on Houshmandzadeh.

Also, it sounds like free agent center Matt Birk is prepared to take a few visits this week. Not sure which teams yet, but indications are he may visit a few teams. It’s possible the Vikings could be willing to match any offer.

 
Well, I hope the Vikings can resign Birk, although the knowledge that he has started taking free agent visits isn't settling. I was really hoping the Vikings would go hard after Jason Brown, but it looks like St. Louis wanted him more. Seriously though, if we lose Birk, does anyone feel comfortable with who we have to replace him? Or is that maybe an area we look to in the draft. I know that Cook was terrible at RT, but he was originally a center. Maybe he was regain the skill that he flashed if he's moved back? I know they had hope for Sullivan, but I was under the impression he was pretty raw and needed a lot of coaching up before he saw any real game action.

I hear the Arizona really wants Birk. Might be one of his first stops.

 
What in the wide wide world of sports is going on here :rant:

We give up a 4th round draft pick for a QB who is a career backup with a little more mobility than Gus..

Career 32 Games QB rating 81.2 TD's 30 Int's 29

YEA.. a QB with almost as many Int's as TD's.. Just what this team needs :potkettle:

Meanwhile KC gives up ONLY a 2nd rounder for Cassel & Vrabel. :wall:

Sure, Cassel might turn out to be a "System QB" and bomb..

But I'd rather take a 2nd round pick and a chance on Cassel & Vrabel than a 4th rounder on someone that has yet to show me that he is more than a career Back-up QB. /end :rant:

 
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What in the wide wide world of sports is going on here :lmao:

We give up a 4th round draft pick for a QB who is a career backup with a little more mobility than Gus..

Career 32 Games QB rating 81.2 TD's 30 Int's 29

YEA.. a QB with almost as many Int's as TD's.. Just what this team needs :lmao:

Meanwhile KC gives up ONLY a 2nd rounder for Cassel & Vrabel. :doh:

Sure, Cassel might turn out to be a "System QB" and bomb..

But I'd rather take a 2nd round pick and a chance on Cassel & Vrabel than a 4th rounder on someone that has yet to show me that he is more than a career Back-up QB. /end :bag:
Yes, they only gave up a 2nd, but you also have to look at the price tag Cassel brings with him. I am very glad that we did not make a run at him. Rosenfels very well may not be the answer, but I don't think Cassel is either and you are looking at a possible 4.5 mil mistake versus a 14 mil mistake, plus it leaves room to hopefully get TJ whosyourmamma (championship) signed.
 
What in the wide wide world of sports is going on here :lmao:

We give up a 4th round draft pick for a QB who is a career backup with a little more mobility than Gus..

Career 32 Games QB rating 81.2 TD's 30 Int's 29

YEA.. a QB with almost as many Int's as TD's.. Just what this team needs :lmao:

Meanwhile KC gives up ONLY a 2nd rounder for Cassel & Vrabel. :doh:

Sure, Cassel might turn out to be a "System QB" and bomb..

But I'd rather take a 2nd round pick and a chance on Cassel & Vrabel than a 4th rounder on someone that has yet to show me that he is more than a career Back-up QB. /end :bag:
there is a big difference between the 34th pick in the draft and the 110th or so. plus they get rosenfels pretty cheap. I like his chances because the line is solid and there are playmakers in place.
 
If Cutler really is available...
:DAs a Viking fan though I know better :goodposting:I'm having a REAL hard time understanding the excitement of some with the Sage signing. :whoosh: Hopefully I'm wrong but a career 50/50 TD to INT ratio, not to mention is tendency to fumble, is NOT what is needed. Don't we already have that in TJ and Gus :D
 
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If Cutler really is available...
:DAs a Viking fan though I know better :goodposting:I'm having a REAL hard time understanding the excitement of some with the Sage signing. :whoosh: Hopefully I'm wrong but a career 50/50 TD to INT ratio, not to mention is tendency to fumble, is NOT what is needed. Don't we already have that in TJ and Gus :D
Nope, we dont...everything I hear on my Sirius NFL radio is everyone likes the move alot for Minnesota and really thinks Sage has what we need...He isnt some stud but he is solid...Alot of guys said if Schaub/Rosenfels played in New York there would have been a huge QB controversy, but since they are in Houston no one cares...Im fine with Sage, there isnt much else out there, Cutler isnt going anywhere...
 
If Cutler really is available...
:excited:As a Viking fan though I know better :kicksrock:I'm having a REAL hard time understanding the excitement of some with the Sage signing. :whoosh: Hopefully I'm wrong but a career 50/50 TD to INT ratio, not to mention is tendency to fumble, is NOT what is needed. Don't we already have that in TJ and Gus :confused:
Nope, we dont...everything I hear on my Sirius NFL radio is everyone likes the move alot for Minnesota and really thinks Sage has what we need...He isnt some stud but he is solid...Alot of guys said if Schaub/Rosenfels played in New York there would have been a huge QB controversy, but since they are in Houston no one cares...Im fine with Sage, there isnt much else out there, Cutler isnt going anywhere...
I agree. However, I don't understand the rush to get the deal done with Sage so soon, rather than exploring all the options. The Vikings probably wouldn't have wanted to trade their 1st to the Pats for Cassel to deal for Cutler, but with Warner and Cutler being available, the trade for Sage looks rushed.Right now, I am just hoping that the Vikings land Housh because I think having a reliable reciever for Sage to go to will mean good things for the QB position and the team in general. I think the Vikings have played themselves out of any further QB exploration.
 
What in the wide wide world of sports is going on here :confused:

We give up a 4th round draft pick for a QB who is a career backup with a little more mobility than Gus..

Career 32 Games QB rating 81.2 TD's 30 Int's 29

YEA.. a QB with almost as many Int's as TD's.. Just what this team needs :kicksrock:

Meanwhile KC gives up ONLY a 2nd rounder for Cassel & Vrabel. :whoosh:

Sure, Cassel might turn out to be a "System QB" and bomb..

But I'd rather take a 2nd round pick and a chance on Cassel & Vrabel than a 4th rounder on someone that has yet to show me that he is more than a career Back-up QB. /end :excited:
there is a big difference between the 34th pick in the draft and the 110th or so. plus they get rosenfels pretty cheap. I like his chances because the line is solid and there are playmakers in place.
I agree with this, plus, I don't think Cassel/Vrabel were available to everyone for a 2nd. Pioli was able to leverage his rapport with the Pats and his knowledge that they probably were ready to move on without Vrabel to get that deal done.
 
If Cutler really is available...
:kicksrock: Hate to once again sound like a pessimist, but last year the Vikes waited patiently to resolve their DE void, and lo and behold #69 came available. There really seemed to be no urgency to finalize a trade for Rosenfels before FA opened. Has he been rumored to be coveted by any other NFL team over the past 2 years? It would have been nice to be in a position jump into this Cutler mess. I'd have offered our 1st and 2nd, and said 'thanks for the next decade.' Of course that's a pipe dream now that we've hitched our cart to a journeyman, aka marginal competition for TJax.
 
One option at receiver off the market

Minneapolis Star & Tribune

March 1st, 2009 – 10:24 AM by Judd Zulgad If they are unable to sign T.J. Houshmandzadeh, the Vikings were believed to have interest in Tampa Bay free agent receiver Michael Clayton. Clayton, however, is no longer an option. A first-round pick by Tampa Bay in 2004, Clayton has re-signed with the Buccaneers.

Meanwhile, we’ll be continuing to track the Houshmandzadeh talks today. The sides had dinner last night in dowtown Minneapolis and Houshmandzadeh

Heres to the Vikes getting the TJ deal done :kicksrock:

 
If Cutler really is available...
The price would be Hershel Walker part 2. Nice idea though.I don't get all the whining about Sage. The Vikes wanted him last year and the price was a 2nd rounder IIRC. The Vikings don't budge, then a year later they get Sage for a 4th round pick. Not bad.Sage may not be much above backup QB level but then Jackson hasn't exactly been reminding anyone of Dan Marino. The investment in Sage is not higher than what the Vikings have invested in Jackson. Open compitition and depth. I see noting bad here?The Vikings still could take another QB in the draft if one they like is available to groom behind Jackson/Sage. That is unless they like Booty.
 
I don't get all the whining about Sage. The Vikes wanted him last year and the price was a 2nd rounder IIRC. The Vikings don't budge, then a year later they get Sage for a 4th round pick. Not bad.
Yeah, if you ignore tha player being targeted and look only at the discount vs. last year maybe. However, you seem to be assuming the fanbase was in agreement with the team's fixation over Rosenfels. I think most Viking fans set their sights a wee bit higher than a mediocre 2nd stringer.
 
I don't get all the whining about Sage. The Vikes wanted him last year and the price was a 2nd rounder IIRC. The Vikings don't budge, then a year later they get Sage for a 4th round pick. Not bad.
Yeah, if you ignore tha player being targeted and look only at the discount vs. last year maybe. However, you seem to be assuming the fanbase was in agreement with the team's fixation over Rosenfels. I think most Viking fans set their sights a wee bit higher than a mediocre 2nd stringer.
He wasn't really given a chance to get the job over Shaub given the price they paid to acquire him. Of course, the fact that the Texans paid what they did to get Shaub tells you their initial faith level in Rosenfels anyway. I think he's got a good shot at proving he's worthy of starting in the league. It only gets easier for him if we do get Housh.
 
I think Sage Rosenfels is gonna play some good football there in MN if he ends up winning that job. He's really not that bad of a QB. That paralyzingly embarrassing loss to the Colts aside, he's got potential to be just what the doctor ordered there. I really think his biggest drawback is his name. I mean seriously, though not really, who names their kid SAGE? Silly to say, but if the guy's name was 'Johnny Gunslinger' he'd probably atleast sound a whole lot more QBish. :cry:
:goodposting: I did girl a couple times whos name is Sage
 
I don't get all the whining about Sage. The Vikes wanted him last year and the price was a 2nd rounder IIRC. The Vikings don't budge, then a year later they get Sage for a 4th round pick. Not bad.
Yeah, if you ignore tha player being targeted and look only at the discount vs. last year maybe. However, you seem to be assuming the fanbase was in agreement with the team's fixation over Rosenfels. I think most Viking fans set their sights a wee bit higher than a mediocre 2nd stringer.
He wasn't really given a chance to get the job over Shaub given the price they paid to acquire him. Of course, the fact that the Texans paid what they did to get Shaub tells you their initial faith level in Rosenfels anyway. I think he's got a good shot at proving he's worthy of starting in the league. It only gets easier for him if we do get Housh.
Sure, if a 'maybe he'll turn into a bonafide starter at age 31' floats your boat. My point is most Vike fans were hoping for a definite solution after suffering through the last 3 years.
 
I don't get all the whining about Sage. The Vikes wanted him last year and the price was a 2nd rounder IIRC. The Vikings don't budge, then a year later they get Sage for a 4th round pick. Not bad.
Yeah, if you ignore tha player being targeted and look only at the discount vs. last year maybe. However, you seem to be assuming the fanbase was in agreement with the team's fixation over Rosenfels. I think most Viking fans set their sights a wee bit higher than a mediocre 2nd stringer.
He wasn't really given a chance to get the job over Shaub given the price they paid to acquire him. Of course, the fact that the Texans paid what they did to get Shaub tells you their initial faith level in Rosenfels anyway. I think he's got a good shot at proving he's worthy of starting in the league. It only gets easier for him if we do get Housh.
Sure, if a 'maybe he'll turn into a bonafide starter at age 31' floats your boat. My point is most Vike fans were hoping for a definite solution after suffering through the last 3 years.
I have heard you say this a bunch of times but have never heard what you want them to do or wanted them to do (cutler is not going anywhere). Not to mention we just started the offseason, they could still bring in another guy, its not like sage broke the bank or anything.
 
What in the wide wide world of sports is going on here :rant:

We give up a 4th round draft pick for a QB who is a career backup with a little more mobility than Gus..

Career 32 Games QB rating 81.2 TD's 30 Int's 29

YEA.. a QB with almost as many Int's as TD's.. Just what this team needs :excited:

Meanwhile KC gives up ONLY a 2nd rounder for Cassel & Vrabel. :wall:

Sure, Cassel might turn out to be a "System QB" and bomb..

But I'd rather take a 2nd round pick and a chance on Cassel & Vrabel than a 4th rounder on someone that has yet to show me that he is more than a career Back-up QB. /end :rant:
Yes, they only gave up a 2nd, but you also have to look at the price tag Cassel brings with him. I am very glad that we did not make a run at him. Rosenfels very well may not be the answer, but I don't think Cassel is either and you are looking at a possible 4.5 mil mistake versus a 14 mil mistake, plus it leaves room to hopefully get TJ whosyourmamma (championship) signed.
very :fishing:

 
I have heard you say this a bunch of times but have never heard what you want them to do or wanted them to do
You could begin that scorched earth search at post #2 of this thread. :goodposting: Of course, those were my February hopes. Let me turn the tables on you a bit here though. Why do I need to (today) give you specific alternatives? It's 3 days after FA opened. How about you instead explain to me why it was necessary to obtain Rosenfels 3 days before the opening of league business. Is it your opinion that Rosenfels was available only until 12:05 AM? From my perspective it's like running uncontrollably into the bar at 7 PM and asking the first 4+ lady you run into to marry you. I just don't understand the rush job for a team that should explore a bit for long term solutions, but it could be just me. I have to believe Rosenfels would have still been an option on April 15, as long as the Vikes negotiated in good faith so that Houston could evaluate its own QB2 alternatives in the event a trade went down
 
I have heard you say this a bunch of times but have never heard what you want them to do or wanted them to do
You could begin that scorched earth search at post #2 of this thread. :shrug: Of course, those were my February hopes. Let me turn the tables on you a bit here though. Why do I need to (today) give you specific alternatives? It's 3 days after FA opened. How about you instead explain to me why it was necessary to obtain Rosenfels 3 days before the opening of league business. Is it your opinion that Rosenfels was available only until 12:05 AM? From my perspective it's like running uncontrollably into the bar at 7 PM and asking the first 4+ lady you run into to marry you. I just don't understand the rush job for a team that should explore a bit for long term solutions, but it could be just me. I have to believe Rosenfels would have still been an option on April 15, as long as the Vikes negotiated in good faith so that Houston could evaluate its own QB2 alternatives in the event a trade went down
In your post, you mention Warner, Collins and Garcia, none of whom are long term solutions. Cassel was the only one that would be long term and my guess is they weren't willing to give him a huge contract based on what they have seen. Rosenfels is a veteran that could give the team 3-5 years or Tarvaris could turn into the QB that they want him to be this season. They had a plan and executed it right away so they could go into free agency knowing exactly how much money they have to spend. If they can land TJ Houshmandzadeh, then I have to like the team's chances better than with a "name" QB with the WRs that we had last season. They had a plan and are going with it, and I happen to agree with it.

 
I have heard you say this a bunch of times but have never heard what you want them to do or wanted them to do
You could begin that scorched earth search at post #2 of this thread. :shrug: Of course, those were my February hopes. Let me turn the tables on you a bit here though. Why do I need to (today) give you specific alternatives? It's 3 days after FA opened. How about you instead explain to me why it was necessary to obtain Rosenfels 3 days before the opening of league business. Is it your opinion that Rosenfels was available only until 12:05 AM? From my perspective it's like running uncontrollably into the bar at 7 PM and asking the first 4+ lady you run into to marry you. I just don't understand the rush job for a team that should explore a bit for long term solutions, but it could be just me. I have to believe Rosenfels would have still been an option on April 15, as long as the Vikes negotiated in good faith so that Houston could evaluate its own QB2 alternatives in the event a trade went down
In your post, you mention Warner, Collins and Garcia, none of whom are long term solutions. Cassel was the only one that would be long term and my guess is they weren't willing to give him a huge contract based on what they have seen. Rosenfels is a veteran that could give the team 3-5 years or Tarvaris could turn into the QB that they want him to be this season. They had a plan and executed it right away so they could go into free agency knowing exactly how much money they have to spend. If they can land TJ Houshmandzadeh, then I have to like the team's chances better than with a "name" QB with the WRs that we had last season. They had a plan and are going with it, and I happen to agree with it.
That is a very good point. Even Warner might have had trouble with Berrian / Wade / Rice. A moderate QB's play could be cleaned up nicely with a solid pair of hands like Housh's.
 
In your post, you mention Warner, Collins and Garcia, none of whom are long term solutions. Cassel was the only one that would be long term and my guess is they weren't willing to give him a huge contract based on what they have seen.
Yes, that's true. I did not see many long term solutions in February. I still view Warner/Garcia for 1-year being preferrable options vs. jumping at Rosenfels before league business opened, and extending him for 3 years before he takes a snap in practice. To each his own. It's ironic to me all of this discussion resulted from AD's post wishing we could pursue Cutler, and yet you guys are dogpiling from the perspective there were and would be no alternatives. I just don't buy that. There was no reason to believe we'd go an entire offseason without QB possibilities bubbling to the surface. Heck, we still don't know how the McNabb situation will play out for starters.ETA: I should add that I do think Rosenfels is an upgrade from TJax, which is a positive move. An average NFL QB should be able to exceed what TJax/Frerotte have done with AP in the backfield. Adding Housh at the right price... and OL imrpovements, I'm very hopeful for 09. That is, unless TJax wins the competition. :goodposting:
 
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BigJim® said:
mozzy84 said:
I have heard you say this a bunch of times but have never heard what you want them to do or wanted them to do
You could begin that scorched earth search at post #2 of this thread. :) Of course, those were my February hopes. Let me turn the tables on you a bit here though. Why do I need to (today) give you specific alternatives? It's 3 days after FA opened. How about you instead explain to me why it was necessary to obtain Rosenfels 3 days before the opening of league business. Is it your opinion that Rosenfels was available only until 12:05 AM? From my perspective it's like running uncontrollably into the bar at 7 PM and asking the first 4+ lady you run into to marry you. I just don't understand the rush job for a team that should explore a bit for long term solutions, but it could be just me. I have to believe Rosenfels would have still been an option on April 15, as long as the Vikes negotiated in good faith so that Houston could evaluate its own QB2 alternatives in the event a trade went down
I don't have a problem with the timing myself, they liked the guy last year and they still liked him this year obviously, so they went and got him. I don't know how long Rosenfels would have been available (probably awhile, but houston could have changed there mind also), and I still don't think they gave up a whole lot, not enough to where they can't still go get a mcnabb or whomever should they become available.
 
I am on board fully for them to back the truck up for T.J., he is just the kind of receiver they could use.

 
I am on board fully for them to back the truck up for T.J., he is just the kind of receiver they could use.
Agreed. A possesion WR with solid hands is what we most need.The weather is crappy today but Housh stayed.. there is somthing getting done here. I think the Bengals would have to offer somthing crazy at this point for Housh to not sign with the Vikes.
 
BigJim® said:
mozzy84 said:
I have heard you say this a bunch of times but have never heard what you want them to do or wanted them to do
You could begin that scorched earth search at post #2 of this thread. :thumbdown: Of course, those were my February hopes. Let me turn the tables on you a bit here though. Why do I need to (today) give you specific alternatives? It's 3 days after FA opened. How about you instead explain to me why it was necessary to obtain Rosenfels 3 days before the opening of league business. Is it your opinion that Rosenfels was available only until 12:05 AM? From my perspective it's like running uncontrollably into the bar at 7 PM and asking the first 4+ lady you run into to marry you. I just don't understand the rush job for a team that should explore a bit for long term solutions, but it could be just me. I have to believe Rosenfels would have still been an option on April 15, as long as the Vikes negotiated in good faith so that Houston could evaluate its own QB2 alternatives in the event a trade went down
Jimbo, is that supposed to read 40+ ala milf? :goodposting: Anyway, the only way I can see their love for Sage is he's yet another stopgap for the first round pick we use on another young QB. I'm assuming they will go after Sanchez, Freeman or Davis. Sage starts in 2009 and slowly but surely our '09 QB gets some action. Come 2010 we have another QB battle brewing with Sage starting off the year and _________ (insert our rookie QB) to eventually take over the job. Team loses Sage after 2010 season.

Personally I think Freeman or Davis would be going mid-2nd not late 1st, so if that's the case, let's draft up/down to be in a better position for one of those QB's, and try for more C/T help early on.

As for TJ, if TJ announced he was going to make his decision by Sunday night and its already Monday AM, I see this as his agent's way of getting Cinny to match whatever offer Minny or any other team gives him. If I was TJ, I'd stay in Cinny where he has a lot better QB throwing him the ball than any QB Minny or Seattle has.... but heck I'd love to see him in purple.

 
BigJim® said:
mozzy84 said:
I have heard you say this a bunch of times but have never heard what you want them to do or wanted them to do
You could begin that scorched earth search at post #2 of this thread. ;) Of course, those were my February hopes. Let me turn the tables on you a bit here though. Why do I need to (today) give you specific alternatives? It's 3 days after FA opened. How about you instead explain to me why it was necessary to obtain Rosenfels 3 days before the opening of league business. Is it your opinion that Rosenfels was available only until 12:05 AM? From my perspective it's like running uncontrollably into the bar at 7 PM and asking the first 4+ lady you run into to marry you. I just don't understand the rush job for a team that should explore a bit for long term solutions, but it could be just me. I have to believe Rosenfels would have still been an option on April 15, as long as the Vikes negotiated in good faith so that Houston could evaluate its own QB2 alternatives in the event a trade went down
Jimbo, is that supposed to read 40+ ala milf? :lol: Anyway, the only way I can see their love for Sage is he's yet another stopgap for the first round pick we use on another young QB. I'm assuming they will go after Sanchez, Freeman or Davis. Sage starts in 2009 and slowly but surely our '09 QB gets some action. Come 2010 we have another QB battle brewing with Sage starting off the year and _________ (insert our rookie QB) to eventually take over the job. Team loses Sage after 2010 season.

Personally I think Freeman or Davis would be going mid-2nd not late 1st, so if that's the case, let's draft up/down to be in a better position for one of those QB's, and try for more C/T help early on.

As for TJ, if TJ announced he was going to make his decision by Sunday night and its already Monday AM, I see this as his agent's way of getting Cinny to match whatever offer Minny or any other team gives him. If I was TJ, I'd stay in Cinny where he has a lot better QB throwing him the ball than any QB Minny or Seattle has.... but heck I'd love to see him in purple.
Word has it the Bengals are offering 5 years at 7 mill per, Vikes 3 years at 9 mill. Carson Palmer is obviously a better QB than Sage Rosenfels, and the two must be tight if TJ is letting Palmer hound him all weekend about it, but I still cringe when I think about his elbow. I know he's trying to avoid Tommy John surgery, and we should find out something soon this month how that's going to turn out. Cinci has a better QB, at any rate, but the Vikings are obviously a much more complete team.
 
Getting Rosenfels so cheap allowed the Housh deal to happen.

I can see the beer commercial now...

BRILLIANT!
If that was the plan all along than I say :thumbup: Abbreviated Stat sheet could look interesting:

T.J. to T.J. for a 50 yard TD!!! :excited: :lmao:

;)
There is no way TJax is our QB opening the season. IMHO he might not even be on the roster. I think the staff has toyed with him a lot in the past two seasons...benching him, then looking for a replacement several times. I think his confidence is shot. The coaching staff is trying to boost that by telling him it will be a competition, but I think it is one that Sage will win and Chilly aready knows that. (Even though there are many out there that do not want Sage to be the starter.) The best thing for TJax would be for the Vikes to obtain somebody else and release or trade him. He needs a different set of coaches as I think he does not trust this staff and will always be looking over his shoulder.Just my 2 cents...

 
FunkyPlutos said:
Now what? :lmao:
I think it is funny that writers have refered to Housh escaping through the cover of night back to LA.Would have been nice to sign him. But too expensive for a 32 year old player. There are not too many other intruiging options at WR. Perhaps Coles or Patten?I think we should look at improving the Oline and bring back Birk (who I think wants to stay here).What about Khalif Barnes, Marvel Smith or Elton Brown at RT? Porkchop?Or Seth McKinney who I believe has played Center before allso? He could compete at RG and is a flexible player.There seems to be more available at Tackle, especialy RT than there are inside players. We are not neccessarily commited to McKinney long term either.
 

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