ArcticEdge
Footballguy
If we don't make a play for Cutler I will be 
. IMO everybody on our roster other than Big Hoss and AP are expendable.
. IMO everybody on our roster other than Big Hoss and AP are expendable.
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*** Official 2009 Minnesota Vikings Offseason Thread *** (1 Viewer)
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CanadianNFLJunkie
Footballguy
It most likely will cost at least TWO #1's of which I"m still willing to make the deal, and then throw in Chester Taylor and take back one of their younger promising RB's like Hillis and I'd do it.
CanadianNFLJunkie
Footballguy
This is from THE PROFESSOR, John Clayton........ ".... You have to go back to the Jeff George trade in 1994 to find a similar incident. George, the first pick in the 1990 draft, wore out his welcome after four seasons with the Indianapolis Colts and was traded to the Atlanta Falcons. George went to Atlanta in exchange for first- and third-round picks in the 1994 draft and a second-rounder that turned into a first-round selection in the 1995 draft based on his playing time for the Falcons. Note the value of the trade, because it might be the basis of what the Broncos seek in return for Cutler. The Broncos probably would ask for a similar package if they shop Cutler. The Minnesota Vikings, Detroit Lions and Chicago Bears could be interested.
The team with the best chance to interest the Broncos would be the Cleveland Browns. The Browns, you ask? Yes, the Browns would be best because they could offer a promising quarterback in return in either Brady Quinn or Derek Anderson.
Because Cutler didn't show up for the Broncos' team meeting on Monday, the next move is up to the Broncos.... "
Do it Spielman, DO IT!!!!!!!
The team with the best chance to interest the Broncos would be the Cleveland Browns. The Browns, you ask? Yes, the Browns would be best because they could offer a promising quarterback in return in either Brady Quinn or Derek Anderson.
Because Cutler didn't show up for the Broncos' team meeting on Monday, the next move is up to the Broncos.... "
Do it Spielman, DO IT!!!!!!!
North
Footballguy
Not really a Vikes fan but think the Vikes would be stupid if they don't offer a 1st and 3rd and throw in TJ (if they would take him). They (Denver) also needs a RB, which you have Taylor hanging around. Once Taylors contract is up you're not going to be able to keep him so you might as well get something for him.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
I like Cutler but IMO he is not worth two 1st rounders and a record setting contract especially under the circumstances. The Vikings had a very good team in the early 90s and then they made monster trade for Hershal Walker that set the organization back for years. I wonder how many trades were won by the teams that gave up multiple 1st round picks.CanadianNFLJunkie said:
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
I also like Cutler, but he seems like a head case. This is Peterson's team and a good QB would help, but not sure if Cutler is the guy because he seems like a guy that would want to throw for 4,000 yards and if he didn't would throw a fit and want to throw it more. If you could get him on the "cheap" then go for it (a first rounder and a low pick), but I don't see it happening.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Minnesota signs Holt Unfortunately Glenn Holt not Torry. Per KFFL:
Potential replacement for Maurice Hicks as a kick returner and special teamer.
mozzy84
Footballguy
ok not really....
Mr. Yuk
Footballguy
I feel you, but there hasn't been a ton out there to address our needs. The RTs they were targeting all resigned with their teams before hitting the market. TJ Housh would have been nice but I think they were smart not to overpay. Having EJ back and Madieu for a full year will help. Maybe Udeze can even contribute something, he was pretty good the year before he got sick.I wouldn't mind seeing a Cutler deal happen if we don't break the bank for him. Oh, and bring in the other Holt too, please.So are Childress and Ziggy trying to boot this team out of Minnesota on a fast trainSo far we've signed Sage.. WOOHOO.. Let Birk go, a veteran in Sharper go and added NOTHING!.. It is almost like they want this team to suck for two years so they move on..
CanadianNFLJunkie
Footballguy
I heard on THE (NFL) Network a few days that when they had their Chicago Bears on the clock day and Dan Pompei, the team's beat writer (as well as a great read in TSN) talked to the upper management of Da Bears and it was mentioned to Pompei that this year's FA class is very weak compared to other years. So I'd think our beloved Vikings are thinking that way too.
jestertj
Footballguy
Birk wanted to go and Sharpers skills are eroding. I'd be more upset if they signed them for big money.snogger said:So are Childress and Ziggy trying to boot this team out of Minnesota on a fast trainSo far we've signed Sage.. WOOHOO.. Let Birk go, a veteran in Sharper go and added NOTHING!.. It is almost like they want this team to suck for two years so they move on..
snogger
Footballguy
It's not so much about letting them go(Although Birk WILL be missed) It's the fact they haven't done anything to fill those holes. Sharpers skills were eroding, but he still provided leadership.Birk wanted to go and Sharpers skills are eroding. I'd be more upset if they signed them for big money.snogger said:So are Childress and Ziggy trying to boot this team out of Minnesota on a fast train
jestertj
Footballguy
Birk won't be missed if his replacement is able. Sharper also provided big play opportunities for opponents. I'm fine waiting for a better batch of free agents to spend big money on. Hopefully the team has a good draft.It's not so much about letting them go(Although Birk WILL be missed) It's the fact they haven't done anything to fill those holes. Sharpers skills were eroding, but he still provided leadership.Birk wanted to go and Sharpers skills are eroding. I'd be more upset if they signed them for big money.snogger said:So are Childress and Ziggy trying to boot this team out of Minnesota on a fast trainSo far we've signed Sage.. WOOHOO.. Let Birk go, a veteran in Sharper go and added NOTHING!.. It is almost like they want this team to suck for two years so they move on..
Donnybrook
Footballguy
I actually like the Glenn Holt signing. He is only 24 years old and he is decent receiver and good kick returner.
Minnesota might have to find themselves a new full back. Weaver signed with the Eagles and Tahi signed an offer sheet with the Bengals.
I know everybody wants to see Cutler in Minnesota but I would prefer to play it conservative and approached Denver about Scheffler. Vishante is starting to come on but Garrett Mills just can't seem to stay health. It would be nice to have the option of taking Klinesauser out of the game (especially when we are behind) and open up the offense with Scheffler.
Minnesota might have to find themselves a new full back. Weaver signed with the Eagles and Tahi signed an offer sheet with the Bengals.
I know everybody wants to see Cutler in Minnesota but I would prefer to play it conservative and approached Denver about Scheffler. Vishante is starting to come on but Garrett Mills just can't seem to stay health. It would be nice to have the option of taking Klinesauser out of the game (especially when we are behind) and open up the offense with Scheffler.
Vikes Fan
Footballguy
Not to sound contrary, but that would give us 2 TEs on the field at the same time that simply cannot block. That has always been Scheffler's MO and Vishante has proved nothing in blocking. I think having the two of them in the game at the same time would completely telegraph to the defense that we are passing!!!Just my opinion...
snogger
Footballguy
well, look at it this way.Either the vikings make it to the NFC Championship game, or we get to wave
to Childress.. Win-win.
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FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
I usually defend what the team does, and this offseason is no exception. I'm glad they didn't overpay for any free agents that they didn't like. They made a run at TJ and seemed to understand that he wanted to go west, so they didn't throw extra money at him just to get him to come to Minnesota.
Birk and Sharper both have great resumes, but are older and their replacements are coming from the roster, so the team knows what they have. If they felt they would be better off with either they would have tried harder to get them back (they didn't even try with Sharper so that tells you how they feel about Tyrell).
The team is now using their cap money to extend veterans so they won't hit the free agent market. I really like the way Griffin came on last season and he is just hitting his prime. Indications are that they are talking to Winfield now. It is better use of money to keep the good ones then sign others that aren't good enough for the money you give them.
Contrary to what many of you say, Childress is smart enough to know what type of situation he is in with the roster that he has, so he will be doing what he thinks is best to win now. He has built this team the way he wants and they have improved every year since he has been there, and I am expecting them to win 10 or more this season. I know the team has the talent to make a long playoff run now, but they are also looking at long term in some of these decisions which makes me feel good about the team for the future.
I'm excited for the draft. It seems the positions that they need players (RT and WR) are exceptionally deep this year so they should get better there. The sky is NOT falling!!
Birk and Sharper both have great resumes, but are older and their replacements are coming from the roster, so the team knows what they have. If they felt they would be better off with either they would have tried harder to get them back (they didn't even try with Sharper so that tells you how they feel about Tyrell).
The team is now using their cap money to extend veterans so they won't hit the free agent market. I really like the way Griffin came on last season and he is just hitting his prime. Indications are that they are talking to Winfield now. It is better use of money to keep the good ones then sign others that aren't good enough for the money you give them.
Contrary to what many of you say, Childress is smart enough to know what type of situation he is in with the roster that he has, so he will be doing what he thinks is best to win now. He has built this team the way he wants and they have improved every year since he has been there, and I am expecting them to win 10 or more this season. I know the team has the talent to make a long playoff run now, but they are also looking at long term in some of these decisions which makes me feel good about the team for the future.
I'm excited for the draft. It seems the positions that they need players (RT and WR) are exceptionally deep this year so they should get better there. The sky is NOT falling!!
Donnybrook
Footballguy
I am talking about giving up a 3rd round pick for him - might not get it done but I would offer it anyways. Vikings could rotate Scheffler and Vishante. Vishante runs some pretty deep routes and Scheffler could relieve him or vice versa. Since TE are in trenches and getting smashed catching passes over the middle, they have a tendency to get injured. Finally, Scheffler is an adequate blocker just becasue he is not excellent McDaniels wants to trade him. McDaniels would have traded Cassel for Cutler despite the fact that Cassel is on a one year contract and makes at least twice as much as Cutler. Have you seen the ### clowns that McDaniels is signing in Denver? I don't recognize him as a great talent evalutor and I am not sure he know what he has in Scheffler.Vikes Fan said:
Donnybrook
Footballguy
According to Charles Robinson, Vikings were the first team to inquire about Cutler:
http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=A...o&type=lgns
ScottyFargo
Footballguy
This probably means the odds of the Vikings still making much of an offer is pretty low.
BigJim®
Footballguy
That's unfortunate though, IMHO "some elements in the Minnesota coaching staff" don't have much credibility in regards to appraising QBs.CanadianNFLJunkie
Footballguy
RB Tahi To Stay In Minnesota As Vikes Match Offer Sheet
The Minnesota Vikings have matched the $1.4 million offer sheet fullback Naufahu Tahi received from the Cincinnati Bengals. The move keeps Tahi, a restricted free agent, in Minnesota. If the Vikings had decided not to match Cincinnati's offer, they would have lost Tahi without compensation.
I was wondering if the Vikings let him go would they go after a FB type like the youngster from LSU, Johnson who is projected to go around the 5th-6th round, but I guess not it's a moot point.
The Minnesota Vikings have matched the $1.4 million offer sheet fullback Naufahu Tahi received from the Cincinnati Bengals. The move keeps Tahi, a restricted free agent, in Minnesota. If the Vikings had decided not to match Cincinnati's offer, they would have lost Tahi without compensation.
I was wondering if the Vikings let him go would they go after a FB type like the youngster from LSU, Johnson who is projected to go around the 5th-6th round, but I guess not it's a moot point.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
You just wait until they turn Sage Rosenfels into a Pro-Bowler, fella.
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
I can't believe they are going to pay Tahi 1.4 million. The guy is VERY ordinary. 16 catches for 37 yards...seriously?? The guy can't even get in a three point stance correctly. I have been quick to defend the team and coaching staff, but this decision baffles me. 
Donnybrook
Footballguy
What would be the alternative? Must not be any good FB left in free agency otherwise the Bengals wouldn't have been interested in signing him. I rather see the Vikings re-sign Tahi than have them spend a draft pick on a FB.I can't believe they are going to pay Tahi 1.4 million. The guy is VERY ordinary. 16 catches for 37 yards...seriously?? The guy can't even get in a three point stance correctly. I have been quick to defend the team and coaching staff, but this decision baffles me.
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
Dugan could be the full time FB. He is the one who got a few short yardage carries last season anyway. Otherwise, just sign a rookie FA. That is all Tahi was anyway, they wouldn't have to use a draft pick on him. I guess I have to give them the benefit of the doubt about this, but I just don't get the rationale.What would be the alternative? Must not be any good FB left in free agency otherwise the Bengals wouldn't have been interested in signing him. I rather see the Vikings re-sign Tahi than have them spend a draft pick on a FB.I can't believe they are going to pay Tahi 1.4 million. The guy is VERY ordinary. 16 catches for 37 yards...seriously?? The guy can't even get in a three point stance correctly. I have been quick to defend the team and coaching staff, but this decision baffles me.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Anyone have an opinion on Darius Reynaud? Just picked him up in a deep dynasty league. Any chance or talk about him seeing more WR duty, or is he strictly a returner?
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
I saw a few practices in training camp and was impressed by the guy. He catches everything thrown to him, but his size may hurt his chances of being a full time WR. He showed last year that he can return well. If you have return yardage, I think he may be worth something at some point, but I don't see much of a future for him at WR - unless the Vikings don't draft one this year.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Thanks! We get return yardage so he's probably worth holding onto just in case he gets some time at WR.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
The Star Tribune's Judd Zulgad has put together a list of players that are rumored to be visiting the Vikings in early April.
The list includes:
Darrius Heyward-Bey (Maryland)
Kenny Britt (Rutgers)
Eben Britton (Arizona)
Phil Loadholt (Oklahoma)
Darius Butler (Connecticut)
Alphonso Smith (Wake Forest)
Greg Toler (St. Paul’s, Va.).
Percy Harvin (Florida)
http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=2672
The list includes:
Darrius Heyward-Bey (Maryland)
Kenny Britt (Rutgers)
Eben Britton (Arizona)
Phil Loadholt (Oklahoma)
Darius Butler (Connecticut)
Alphonso Smith (Wake Forest)
Greg Toler (St. Paul’s, Va.).
Percy Harvin (Florida)
http://blogs.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=2672
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I'm not confused by it at all. Berrian is not a #1, even though they paid him as such. Wade is limited in what he can do. And Rice, with all his potential, hasn't shown much - a lot of that due to injury for sure, but maybe his knee isn't healing like they hoped.
BigJim®
Footballguy
IMHO Berrian is as good a #1 as any NFL team needs. Wade seems like a good slot receiver and the jury is still out on younger WRs like Rice/Allison. I guess my main thinking is you would not expect any rookie WR to be an impact player this year, and I think they can get impact OL/LB/DE/CB help with their 1st. A WR like Troy Williamson is easy to discard because he was given valid opportunity and didn't make any plays. But as far as finding replacements for 3rd year guys like Allison/Rice already, I just feel like this team could go through one decent WR prospect after the next based on QB play without having given them any real chance to succeed. Heck, if they decide they need another WR, why not go for a vet FA who you know can contribute game 1 (Holt, Bennett, Engram, Gaffney, Galloway, D.Jackson, Jurivicious, Toomer) instead of using a 1st? Maybe I'm just to the point where young prospects for this particular team are losing their allure. Rice for my money was as good a prospect as any of these rookies. The one guy who does intrigue me quite a bit is Harvin though.Andy Dufresne said:
CanadianNFLJunkie
Footballguy
Interesting, no QB's eh?
I wonder if we'll have a lot of representation tomorrow to USC's Pro Day. I do NOT want any of the 'SC LB'ers though.
I think it was Charley Cassley on THE Network where he raved about the kid from St. Paul, VIRGINIA.
I wonder if we'll have a lot of representation tomorrow to USC's Pro Day. I do NOT want any of the 'SC LB'ers though.
I think it was Charley Cassley on THE Network where he raved about the kid from St. Paul, VIRGINIA.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Here's to hoping that the Bears crush the Vikes through the air twice this next year.
ScottyFargo
Footballguy
Yes, but counterpoint, would you have wanted the Vikings to pay this years 1st and 3rd, Sage / Tarvaris, and next years 1st for Cutler and a fifth? That's an awful lot. Had we not given up half as much last year for Jared Allen, maybe. But two drafts in a row without a 1st and 3rd? Might be an easy call for some, but we'll just have to see if Sage or Tarvaris can help the offense turn the corner. Not that appetizing of an idea for most fans, I understand.Mr. Yuk said:
TommyKramer
Footballguy
This might have already been covered in the past.
But, I don't understand how we could have been in trade negotiations with the Broncos for Cutler a while back and then we back off because numerous people in the organization were not sold on him.
This implies that the people's opinion that Cutler wasn't good for the organization carried some weight (enough to back off).
Then why wouldn't we already have the answer (i.e. wanting Cutler or not) prior to even talking to the Broncos (whether or not they contacted us is moot, if as an organization you don't want him, you don't want him).
I really find this troubling.
But, I don't understand how we could have been in trade negotiations with the Broncos for Cutler a while back and then we back off because numerous people in the organization were not sold on him.
This implies that the people's opinion that Cutler wasn't good for the organization carried some weight (enough to back off).
Then why wouldn't we already have the answer (i.e. wanting Cutler or not) prior to even talking to the Broncos (whether or not they contacted us is moot, if as an organization you don't want him, you don't want him).
I really find this troubling.
TommyKramer
Footballguy
Where's your sense of humor? Look at the date of the article. Chilly was just playing an April Fool's joke on the fan base.There's no way he thinks that we're set at QB. Look at his track record, he knows QBs.
CanadianNFLJunkie
Footballguy
Well you have to consider that we have the luxury of having Chester Taylor back up the best RB in the league, so we could have thrown him in the mix, perhaps making the deal not that draft pick heavy. I would have still done the deal. What else would we need besides a top QB like a Cutler on this team? The window of opportunity for us is going to close soon with Hutch and McKinnie and the Johnson's all getting up there in age. Besides AP those are our only other All-Pro's on the team and we're not that great after those vets.
Vikes Fan
Footballguy
Everyone assumes that another team (the Broncos in this instance) would come running if the Vikings ever offered up Chester Taylor. Chester had one year as the starter and while he ran hard and carried well, he wore down at the end of the year. Let's assume for a minute that the other teams around the league noticed this as well, and now feel Chester is best suited for his current role (and previous one with the Ravens) as a super backup/spell-your-strarter guy. I do not think you can assume that if the Vikings threw in Chester that it would have been less pick heavy. That seems like a big leap to me. Maybe the Broncos didn't/wouldn't want Chester...
ScottyFargo
Footballguy
You'll feel better when Jared Allen tears through Orlando Pace and wrecks Cutler.
BigJim®
Footballguy
1. I'm lukewarm on Cutler going to a divisional foe. I think Childress will sink or swim regardless if he can't win the division and have a strong playoffs. Now there will be 2 divisional games where Chilly is going to be under a significant microscope for deciding he preferred what we have vs. Cutler. I can't imagine Chilly is happy about this ramification. Let the chips fall where they may here.
2. I look at timing as being key as to those who are asking whether Vike fans would have been happy to pay 2 firsts + to obtain Cutler. If there was a 3-way trade opportunity on the table for the Vikes to send something to get Cassell to Denver, that was before Washington and 10 other teams drove up the pricetag during a bidding war. I wonder what the Vikes were being asked for at that time, since Cassell was available for a 2nd, and Denver needed to move him to take on Cassell. Can't believe the cost was as high as the cost to dish Cutler without Cassell coming their way.
2. I look at timing as being key as to those who are asking whether Vike fans would have been happy to pay 2 firsts + to obtain Cutler. If there was a 3-way trade opportunity on the table for the Vikes to send something to get Cassell to Denver, that was before Washington and 10 other teams drove up the pricetag during a bidding war. I wonder what the Vikes were being asked for at that time, since Cassell was available for a 2nd, and Denver needed to move him to take on Cassell. Can't believe the cost was as high as the cost to dish Cutler without Cassell coming their way.
BigJim®
Footballguy
Wow, anyone else just hear Pete Bercich on KFAN? H.Lake was asking him about the possibility of bringing in T.Holt, and Bercich responded with a few interesting comments. He said a guy like Hold would be great "to teach a guy like Sidney Rice what it means to be a pro WR" and ended his comments by saying "whether or not Sidney Rice would listen to Holt is another question."
Yikes. I'd seen people in here speculate on the Vikes taking a WR early in the draft, and suggestions that maybe his knee is not healing right. I have to say that interview made me think there is something much deeper going on with Rice, that I was totally oblivious to. Aside from the knee injury that hampered his second season, have there been other rumblings regarding Rice's approach to the game? Maybe I have underestimated our need at WR...
Yikes. I'd seen people in here speculate on the Vikes taking a WR early in the draft, and suggestions that maybe his knee is not healing right. I have to say that interview made me think there is something much deeper going on with Rice, that I was totally oblivious to. Aside from the knee injury that hampered his second season, have there been other rumblings regarding Rice's approach to the game? Maybe I have underestimated our need at WR...
