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*** Official 2009 Minnesota Vikings Offseason Thread *** (1 Viewer)

Wow. Went from us getting Cutler to him going to the worst team possible for us.
Yes, but counterpoint, would you have wanted the Vikings to pay this years 1st and 3rd, Sage / Tarvaris, and next years 1st for Cutler and a fifth? That's an awful lot. Had we not given up half as much last year for Jared Allen, maybe. But two drafts in a row without a 1st and 3rd? Might be an easy call for some, but we'll just have to see if Sage or Tarvaris can help the offense turn the corner. Not that appetizing of an idea for most fans, I understand.
Well you have to consider that we have the luxury of having Chester Taylor back up the best RB in the league, so we could have thrown him in the mix, perhaps making the deal not that draft pick heavy. I would have still done the deal. What else would we need besides a top QB like a Cutler on this team? The window of opportunity for us is going to close soon with Hutch and McKinnie and the Johnson's all getting up there in age. Besides AP those are our only other All-Pro's on the team and we're not that great after those vets.
Everyone assumes that another team (the Broncos in this instance) would come running if the Vikings ever offered up Chester Taylor. Chester had one year as the starter and while he ran hard and carried well, he wore down at the end of the year. Let's assume for a minute that the other teams around the league noticed this as well, and now feel Chester is best suited for his current role (and previous one with the Ravens) as a super backup/spell-your-strarter guy. I do not think you can assume that if the Vikings threw in Chester that it would have been less pick heavy. That seems like a big leap to me. Maybe the Broncos didn't/wouldn't want Chester...
Why wouldn't a team like the Broncos want a very good RB like Chester? I'm not saying he's worth a 1st rounder but why not throw him in the mix in the deal? Not many teams go with just ONE RB. He fills a need for Denver. As for the one year left on his deal, so? They can tag him if they want, besides its an uncapped year next year. Bowlen has money to tie up into a good player like Chester.
 
Wow. Went from us getting Cutler to him going to the worst team possible for us.
Yes, but counterpoint, would you have wanted the Vikings to pay this years 1st and 3rd, Sage / Tarvaris, and next years 1st for Cutler and a fifth? That's an awful lot. Had we not given up half as much last year for Jared Allen, maybe. But two drafts in a row without a 1st and 3rd? Might be an easy call for some, but we'll just have to see if Sage or Tarvaris can help the offense turn the corner. Not that appetizing of an idea for most fans, I understand.
Well you have to consider that we have the luxury of having Chester Taylor back up the best RB in the league, so we could have thrown him in the mix, perhaps making the deal not that draft pick heavy. I would have still done the deal. What else would we need besides a top QB like a Cutler on this team? The window of opportunity for us is going to close soon with Hutch and McKinnie and the Johnson's all getting up there in age. Besides AP those are our only other All-Pro's on the team and we're not that great after those vets.
Everyone assumes that another team (the Broncos in this instance) would come running if the Vikings ever offered up Chester Taylor. Chester had one year as the starter and while he ran hard and carried well, he wore down at the end of the year. Let's assume for a minute that the other teams around the league noticed this as well, and now feel Chester is best suited for his current role (and previous one with the Ravens) as a super backup/spell-your-strarter guy. I do not think you can assume that if the Vikings threw in Chester that it would have been less pick heavy. That seems like a big leap to me. Maybe the Broncos didn't/wouldn't want Chester...
Why wouldn't a team like the Broncos want a very good RB like Chester? I'm not saying he's worth a 1st rounder but why not throw him in the mix in the deal? Not many teams go with just ONE RB. He fills a need for Denver. As for the one year left on his deal, so? They can tag him if they want, besides its an uncapped year next year. Bowlen has money to tie up into a good player like Chester.
Chester Taylor will be 30 this year, he is not worth anything more than a 6th round draft pick.
 
Why wouldn't a team like the Broncos want a very good RB like Chester? I'm not saying he's worth a 1st rounder but why not throw him in the mix in the deal? Not many teams go with just ONE RB. He fills a need for Denver. As for the one year left on his deal, so? They can tag him if they want, besides its an uncapped year next year. Bowlen has money to tie up into a good player like Chester.

Chester Taylor will be 30 this year, he is not worth anything more than a 6th round draft pick.

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That was my point. Everyone implies that if you "throw in Chester" the deal will get done. Well, I do not think that is the case and that was my point. It isn't just with the Cutler deal, but this has come up time and again since ADP arrived. The mentality is "give them Chester and of course they will do it!" I just do not think that's the case.

You suggested they could tag him and I just do not think that would have been an option. They would have to pay him top 5 money at the position and a part-time back is not worth that.

 
Minnesota

April 2, 2009 By Eric Edholm

Vikings never got into Cutler sweepstakes but can't be happy he's in division

Many believe the Vikings are a quarterback short of being a legitimate Super Bowl contender — everyone, apparently, except the Vikings. Team sources told PFW the Vikings like the Sage Rosenfels-Tarvaris Jackson combination and are prepared to head into training camp with those two competing for the starting job. They had no plans to make a real push to get QB Jay Cutler, who was traded to the Bears on Thursday, because some members of the Vikings' organization viewed him as a selfish player, especially considering his recent demands to be traded and feud with head coach Josh McDaniels. The Vikings have had their share of quarterbacks who were considered to be me-first players, such as Jeff George and Daunte Culpepper, and apparently had no plans of repeating the same mistake. That said, seeing Cutler go to the Bears makes their slate that much tougher, and considering the Vikings often have struggled to defend the pass, it makes the NFC North rivalry all the more interesting.
From ProfootballWeekly.com - The Way We Hear ItThis is going to an interesting year. I am actually glad that the Bears are out of the 18th spot since it looked like they were targeting similar positions to the Vikings ie OT and WRs. Denver highest priority IMO should be a nose tackle - they need to get a run stuffer like Vince Wilfork. Who knows maybe B. J. Raji will fall to them at 12 due to the drug allegations. I won't be disappointed if Denver intercepts Sanchez either. I think he is a huge gamble with the minimal playing time.

At the moment, my preferred draft candidate would be Eben Bitton with the 20th overall.

 
Can any homers chime in on what happened to Sidney Rice? I thought Berrian and Rice were a good combo before last season.

 
1 Sep 13 MIN @ CLE Cleveland Browns Stadium 1:00 PM Tickets FOX

2 Sep 20 MIN @ DET Ford Field 1:00 PM Tickets FOX

3 Sep 27 SF @ MIN Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome 1:00 PM Tickets FOX

4 Oct 05 GB @ MIN Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome 8:20 PM Tickets ESPN

5 Oct 11 MIN @ STL Edward Jones Dome 1:00 PM Tickets FOX

6 Oct 18 BAL @ MIN Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome 1:00 PM Tickets CBS

7 Oct 25 MIN @ PIT Heinz Field 1:00 PM Tickets FOX

8 Nov 01 MIN @ GB Lambeau Field 1:00 PM Tickets FOX

9 Bye

10 Nov 15 DET @ MIN Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome 1:00 PM Tickets FOX

11 Nov 22 SEA @ MIN Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome 1:00 PM Tickets FOX

12 Nov 29 CHI @ MIN Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome 1:00 PM Tickets FOX

13 Dec 06 MIN @ ARI University of Phoenix Stadium 4:15 PM Tickets FOX

14 Dec 13 CIN @ MIN Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome 1:00 PM Tickets CBS

15 Dec 20 MIN @ CAR Bank of America Stadium 8:20 PM Tickets NBC

16 Dec 28 MIN @ CHI Soldier Field 8:20 PM Tickets ESPN

17 Jan 03 NYG @ MIN Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome 1:00 PM Tickets FOX

Pretty kind schedule, only two cold weather games, nice week 9 bye that splits our four toughest opponents down the middle of the season. PGH and Balt in the first half, Giants and Panthers in the second half. I am stoked, gonna go to week 1 @ Browns!

 
You have to like the first four games as far as matchups with the possibility of playing them without the "Williams Wall." That is almost the best possible scenario for them if they are out for the first four.

 
dang that schedule looks sweet (kiss of death I'm sure). gotta be able to get to 10 wins - gb, chi, det, det, sea, cin, cle, sf, stl, bal.

 
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You have to like the first four games as far as matchups with the possibility of playing them without the "Williams Wall." That is almost the best possible scenario for them if they are out for the first four.
I bet Frank Gore is trying to find the phone number of the Hennepin County Judge as we speak. "Come on...please uphold it! PLEASE!"Pretty good schedule. Considering we start on the road the first two weeks due to a Twins conflict, we couldn't have asked for better.
 
6 Oct 18 BAL @ MIN Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome 1:00 PM Tickets CBS

7 Oct 25 MIN @ PIT Heinz Field 1:00 PM Tickets FOX

8 Nov 01 MIN @ GB Lambeau Field 1:00 PM Tickets FOX

..worries me but heck right after this they are home for FOUR WEEKS, bye and a 3-game home stand. They can't go 1-2 here but I can't see them winning two here.

 
My thought is that they need to come out of the first three rounds with a three guys in the following four categories: WR, CB, DT, OT. Best player available in each round. I was really looking forward to Harvin in round 1 but with the more I hear about him, I am not so sure. Should be fun, if only the draft were tomorrow. :moneybag:

 
What's up, Vikings Fans?!!!

Let's talk Vikings Passing Game!

QB: Recently traded a 4th Rd Pick for Sage Rosenfels, either to be the Starter, or compete with Tarvaris Jackson for that role. Extended Rosenfels as well (3 yrs, 9 Million). How much of a competition is this? What's the desired outcome, in the opinion of you, the fans and followers of the Team? Personally, I think the Vikes are a QB away from making a solid PostSeason run, and I don't think that QB has to be much more than a 'Game Manager' type, who can avoid mistakes and generate enough of a threat to keep Defenses honest, and 8 men out of the box vs AP. I think Jackson has some skills, but perhaps needs more time to develop. Sage, on the other hand, behind some decent protection, and with AP and CTaylor hammering away, can make all the throws, is a decent decision-maker, is battle-tested, and represents a significant upgrade at the position over TJackson.

What's the deal with John David Booty? If you're investing in the Vikings QB situation, is he someone worth acquiring (as in, is having Rosenfels and Jackson enough, or is it worth acquiring Booty as a legitimate hedge)? What's the opinion on his long-term outlook as the Vikings signal-caller of the future?

Will the Vikings make any kind of a significant investment in QB in the upcoming NFL Draft, or will they look to acquire another QB via free agency that will be in the mix to compete? Or is it a two or three-horse race between the QB's already on the Roster?

RB/WR/TE: Peterson and Taylor can certainly run the hell out of the football, but how do they figure into the passing game, and are there other RB's on the Roster who will play a role? Is Tahi a blocking back, who's only role is to help spring Peterson and Taylor, or is he capable of competing for looks, and doing something with them?

Berrian certainly qualifies as a legitimate deep threat who can force a defense to account for him on the field, but personally, I don't think he's a true #1 - rather a 1B. Your thoughts? Sidney Rice is an enigma to me - he's got the looks of a 1A from a physical standpoint, and certainly makes his presence felt in the Red Zone, but has issues staying healthy - are those issues chronic, or can he put them behind him? Putting them behind him calls for maturity, and I've read lately that there are issues in that department - true or false? How do you all feel about his route running, ability to get separation, and ability to generate YAC? Can he and Berrian become the 1A/1B Tandem they are designed to be? Bobby Wade, Aundray Allison, Glenn Holt, Darius Reynaud, Jaymar Johnson - fodder or contributors, and more importantly can any of them bring enough to the table in 3WR Formations to get Berrian and Rice in single-coverage situations they can take advantage of? Do any of them represent a legitimate threat to Berrian's and Rice's potential touches?

Are the Vikings going to address WR in the Draft, and if so, will they look to acquire Players that threaten Berrian and Rice, or ones that allow Berrian and Rice to be more effective as Starters?

Visanthe Shiancoe stepped up big-time last year. When the Vikes acquired him a few Seasons ago from the Giants, I think last Season was what they had in mind. Will his role continue to expand? Again, is that enough of a role to positively impact Berrian and Rice? Tarvaris found him, and Sage certainly has used the TE in his career, and from what I understand, the position plays a big role in the Vikings Pass Offense Scheme. I've always thought of Kleinsasser as an extra Offensive Tackle, and he plays a significant role in the running game, to the best of my knowledge. Mills was discarded by the Pats. Anything there? What about Dugan.

Finally, the Scheme: Ideally, what's it designed to do? What's the potential of Peterson, Taylor, Berrian, Rice, Shiancoe and the rest if all things are clicking? Under ideal circumstances, is there an opportunity for the existing pieces in the passing game to generate viable enough statistics to make them relevant FF Starters, and at what Level? Can Sage be a QB1 in a 12, 14 or 16 Team League? What about Berrian, Rice and Shiancoe? WR1, 2, 3? TE1, 2? Or will the running game be emphasize so much that even under the most ideal circumstances, we should look elsewhere to find Starting Lineup options?

We know that Offense and Defense work together to make each component more effective. Certainly the Vikings running game allows the Defense rested, and gives the opportunity to use the clock as a 12th Man, and the Defense has the potential to put the Offense in Field Position to put points on the board. Is this personnel group going to grind out low scoring W's, or can they be a Yardage and Points powerhouse, capable of generating enough touches, yards and points to give the principals fantasy relevance?

Sorry for the long post, but I didn't want to leave anything out. I'm very intrigued by the potential here, and would love any and all info that might contribute towards making informed decisions regarding the Vikings Passing Offense.

Thanks in advance!

 
What's up, Vikings Fans?!!!Let's talk Vikings Passing Game!QB: Recently traded a 4th Rd Pick for Sage Rosenfels, either to be the Starter, or compete with Tarvaris Jackson for that role. Extended Rosenfels as well (3 yrs, 9 Million). How much of a competition is this? What's the desired outcome, in the opinion of you, the fans and followers of the Team? Personally, I think the Vikes are a QB away from making a solid PostSeason run, and I don't think that QB has to be much more than a 'Game Manager' type, who can avoid mistakes and generate enough of a threat to keep Defenses honest, and 8 men out of the box vs AP. I think Jackson has some skills, but perhaps needs more time to develop. Sage, on the other hand, behind some decent protection, and with AP and CTaylor hammering away, can make all the throws, is a decent decision-maker, is battle-tested, and represents a significant upgrade at the position over TJackson.What's the deal with John David Booty? If you're investing in the Vikings QB situation, is he someone worth acquiring (as in, is having Rosenfels and Jackson enough, or is it worth acquiring Booty as a legitimate hedge)? What's the opinion on his long-term outlook as the Vikings signal-caller of the future?Will the Vikings make any kind of a significant investment in QB in the upcoming NFL Draft, or will they look to acquire another QB via free agency that will be in the mix to compete? Or is it a two or three-horse race between the QB's already on the Roster?RB/WR/TE: Peterson and Taylor can certainly run the hell out of the football, but how do they figure into the passing game, and are there other RB's on the Roster who will play a role? Is Tahi a blocking back, who's only role is to help spring Peterson and Taylor, or is he capable of competing for looks, and doing something with them?Berrian certainly qualifies as a legitimate deep threat who can force a defense to account for him on the field, but personally, I don't think he's a true #1 - rather a 1B. Your thoughts? Sidney Rice is an enigma to me - he's got the looks of a 1A from a physical standpoint, and certainly makes his presence felt in the Red Zone, but has issues staying healthy - are those issues chronic, or can he put them behind him? Putting them behind him calls for maturity, and I've read lately that there are issues in that department - true or false? How do you all feel about his route running, ability to get separation, and ability to generate YAC? Can he and Berrian become the 1A/1B Tandem they are designed to be? Bobby Wade, Aundray Allison, Glenn Holt, Darius Reynaud, Jaymar Johnson - fodder or contributors, and more importantly can any of them bring enough to the table in 3WR Formations to get Berrian and Rice in single-coverage situations they can take advantage of? Do any of them represent a legitimate threat to Berrian's and Rice's potential touches?Are the Vikings going to address WR in the Draft, and if so, will they look to acquire Players that threaten Berrian and Rice, or ones that allow Berrian and Rice to be more effective as Starters?Visanthe Shiancoe stepped up big-time last year. When the Vikes acquired him a few Seasons ago from the Giants, I think last Season was what they had in mind. Will his role continue to expand? Again, is that enough of a role to positively impact Berrian and Rice? Tarvaris found him, and Sage certainly has used the TE in his career, and from what I understand, the position plays a big role in the Vikings Pass Offense Scheme. I've always thought of Kleinsasser as an extra Offensive Tackle, and he plays a significant role in the running game, to the best of my knowledge. Mills was discarded by the Pats. Anything there? What about Dugan.Finally, the Scheme: Ideally, what's it designed to do? What's the potential of Peterson, Taylor, Berrian, Rice, Shiancoe and the rest if all things are clicking? Under ideal circumstances, is there an opportunity for the existing pieces in the passing game to generate viable enough statistics to make them relevant FF Starters, and at what Level? Can Sage be a QB1 in a 12, 14 or 16 Team League? What about Berrian, Rice and Shiancoe? WR1, 2, 3? TE1, 2? Or will the running game be emphasize so much that even under the most ideal circumstances, we should look elsewhere to find Starting Lineup options?We know that Offense and Defense work together to make each component more effective. Certainly the Vikings running game allows the Defense rested, and gives the opportunity to use the clock as a 12th Man, and the Defense has the potential to put the Offense in Field Position to put points on the board. Is this personnel group going to grind out low scoring W's, or can they be a Yardage and Points powerhouse, capable of generating enough touches, yards and points to give the principals fantasy relevance?Sorry for the long post, but I didn't want to leave anything out. I'm very intrigued by the potential here, and would love any and all info that might contribute towards making informed decisions regarding the Vikings Passing Offense.Thanks in advance!
Hey nittanylion! Thanks for the interesting questions. Here is my 2 cents.QB-I think Sage and Jackson will compete for the starting position. Possibly throughout the regular season as I think they want to keep both players ready to play when needed. Neither has a lot of experience but both have won games in this league. I would expect Sage to win the start in pre-season but I wouldn't be suprised to see Jackson used in some situations. Jackson is much more athletic than Sage and could be used at times on option wildcat plays if Childress adopts them to be used in the offense. In the end I think both will be called on to start games (possibly because of injury) and will split the season as starters. If not then Sage is the most likely starter and will perform well enough for the Vikings to make the playoffs.Booty did not do well as a rookie. He had a lot of issues with accuracy and while he is QB3 right now that does not mean a rookie or other player might be brought in and bump Booty to the practice squad. He is very young however and could have improved enough to keep his slot on the team. I see him as a developmental backup, not a starter.If the Vikings do take a QB in the 1st 3 rounds it most likely means they have seen enough of Booty and I would expect that QB to make the team.I think AD really has to become a better recieving option so the offense can be better balanced. AD being a threat on screens would do as much for freeing up running lanes as anything else. Until he becomes a threat as a reciever he will always get more attention from the defense in terms of 8 man fronts.Chester is still probably better than AD as a reciever right now so he will be used on 3rd downs but as I already mentioned AD needs to improve this aspect of his game for the offense to move forward.I don't know anything about Tahi so I will let others answer that. They did re-sign Sauce though so they will have their 6th lineman on the field often as a TE or H-Back. He can do it all.I agree with your thoughts on Berrian. He would be ok as a WR 2 to streach the defense but 2 things have to happen 1st. Berrian needs to do a better job of getting to the ball and making the catch. I don't have the #s in front of me but I don't think his catch % is very good. Improved QB play and a RB screen threat could lead to a higher % of explosive plays being made with Berrian.Alison who I think is a similar player to Berrian is now going into his 3rd year. Remains to be seen if he can push Berrian or not. I like Alison but he was a raw player coming in, as was Rice.What the Vikings need is a reliable possesion WR who would be their go to guy. Unfortunitly I do not think Rice is that player. He is not nearly consistent enough. That is why a player like Nicks might be high on the Vikings draft board. He would compliment the offense well. I haven't really thought about this yet.. but which rookie WR are the best blockers? I think getting a starting WR who could also be good as a blocker would be high on the Vikings draft board. No WR besides Wade really qualifies as a decent blocking WR.Personaly I want the Vikings to draft a RT. Such as Britton or perhaps one of the others who might still be available in the 1st round. But I would understand it if the Vikings took a WR like Nicks or Britt because of what I said above. I don't think Harvin is a good fit. And actually if they take him I think that might hurt AD in terms of passing opportunity.Robiske is another guy the Vikings might be interested in. Perhaps a few others. If the Vikings do not take any of these guys in the 1st I am not sure they would make it to the Vikings 2nd round pick. I think that may actually be unlikely. There are not a lot of FA WR out there that could make an impact for the Vikings.WR most on the bubble Ward/Rice/Alison.I wonder if the Vikings might look to draft a TE. I think they might. There are a lot of good prospects this year that might still be available in the 3rd round. I do think the TE could be a bigger part of the offense but Shiancoe may have reached his peak already. He isn't a very good blocker either so that limits his snaps. I doubt a rookie would beat him out in year one though so he is the likely starter.The Vikings still have needs at Dline. Either a LE or DT are possible picks if they like what is available. A cornerback to push Griffin is a huge need also.I am hoping this might be Childress's last season. But he has to win to keep his job. So sacrifices may be made for instant impact where otherwise a longer view might be better. The Vikings have done a better job of evaluation since the 1st year with Childress.The goal of this offense is to be good enough converting 3rd downs that it can run the ball 500 times. Win TOP and wear a defense down while keeping the defense fresh.Offense since the Vikings got Peterson:2008RUSHING (Plays-Average Yards) 519 - 4.5 Defense allowed 371 - 3.3 TOTAL PASSING YARDS 2956 PASSING (Comp-Att-Int-Avg) 267 - 452 - 17 - 7.1 2007RUSHING (Plays-Average Yards) 494 - 5.3 Defense allowed 379 - 3.1 TOTAL PASSING YARDS 2745 PASSING (Comp-Att-Int-Avg) 249 - 432 - 14 - 6.8 The passing offense did improve slightly last year over the year before. I don't expect the rushing attempts to change much although they may try to use Chester a bit more. I think the Viking passing offense could eclipse 3000 total yards and have a modest improvement on TDs but I wouldn't expect it to improve that much.
 
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Nice post, although I disagree with the Vikings looking at a TE. They still have their blocking specialist in Jimmy Klein and you're way off base on Shiancoe. He's not a bad blocker at all. In fact Tiki didn't have his big seasons until the Giants drafted Shiancoe and started using two TE sets because they realized Shockey was terrible in that aspect. He's an adept run blocker and could be a very good overall TE if he reigns in the drops.

 
Nice post, although I disagree with the Vikings looking at a TE. They still have their blocking specialist in Jimmy Klein and you're way off base on Shiancoe. He's not a bad blocker at all. In fact Tiki didn't have his big seasons until the Giants drafted Shiancoe and started using two TE sets because they realized Shockey was terrible in that aspect. He's an adept run blocker and could be a very good overall TE if he reigns in the drops.
:thumbup: Shiancoe started to come into his own last year, but the low yardage still looks like he is marginal. 7 TDs tells the real story. I expect him to surprise some this year. If Sage wins the starting role I was worried that he might disappear as Owen Daniels did for Texas at times when Sage started, but I think this being a different offense actually having him will help both QB and TE.
 
Well, we're off to a good start with these 1st few replies, but there are some outstanding football minds among the Vikings faithful who have yet to chime in on this. Bumping to see if we can get some more group-think going, pre-Draft...

 
Address:

O-line- after McKinnie and Hutch, the line is a question mark.

D-line- Pat Williams is no spring chicken and Ray Edwards isn't fabulous.

Secondary- I'm not sold Williams can stay healthy for a full season (and the rest of the secondary are an unknown quantity) and Winfield while still solid is no youngster.

 
It should be interesting to see how they draft. If they are worried about Rice, then I think they take a WR in round 1 or 2. I think they need depth on the D-line and at right tackle. I think they will go O-line in the first and either corner or WR in the 2nd, unless a high quality DT is available in the 2nd.

Third should be best available player and then they have the 5th and two 7ths. I think they will go with line help in the 7th (either offense or defense). It seems like you can get big bodies that can be projects pretty late. They have Guion and Evans at DT for this year, both of whom I think are quality backups but never hurts to build the depth to store away on the practice squad.

 
Hmmmm not sure if I like this or not.... from FOX Sports.com

West Virginia quarterback Pat White is on Minnesota's draft radar. A source told FOXSports.com that the Vikings conducted a private workout Tuesday with White. Minnesota has interest in White as a quarterback and wide receiver, the source said. White is the only quarterback in NCAA history to lead his team to four consecutive bowl victories. But at just over six feet tall, White may not have the height needed to excel in a traditional pro-style offense. Some NFL teams believe White's athleticism will allow him to make a successful transition to wide receiver. White also could fill a "slash" type role as a contributor at wide receiver and quarterback, especially through use of Wildcat-style formations. White set an NCAA rushing record for a quarterback with 4,480 career yards. He also passed for 6,049 yards with 56 touchdowns and 23 interceptions in four seasons. Sage Rosenfels, who was acquired in an offseason trade with Houston, and incumbent Tarvaris Jackson are set to compete for Minnesota's starting quarterback spot during the preseason.

 
Read on the Star Tribune website that Childress was in Florida visiting with Harvin. Smokescreen or do they take him??
I think he's doing the same thing that they did with Allen. Trying to figure out if the guy has the discipline to change his ways and perform or if the drug of choice is just too much temptation for him to handle.I sure hope the kid can straighten things out. It would be fun to see what he could do and allow the rest of the offense to do should he become a Viking.
 
Is there a chance that the Vikes could take Britton @ 22 and then trade back up to get Harvin in the late 1st, Early 2nd?
IMO, not very. I can't see the Vikes giving up picks to move up to take a guy with character flags.I think he's still going to go somewhere in the late 1st. He fits the physical mold of the type of WR that the Colts like. :shrug:
 
Andy Dufresne said:
ScottyFargo said:
Is there a chance that the Vikes could take Britton @ 22 and then trade back up to get Harvin in the late 1st, Early 2nd?
IMO, not very. I can't see the Vikes giving up picks to move up to take a guy with character flags.I think he's still going to go somewhere in the late 1st. He fits the physical mold of the type of WR that the Colts like. :bow:
I can see the physical attributes thing, but I can't see the Colts organization going for a guy with Harvin's red flags. JMO, though.
 
ANd in the draft....if we dont get a QB i spose we try to draft one in the draft or..roll with Jackson again? Maybe try John David Booty more in camp..But I would love to see us get a play maker that can run back kicks/punts someone that will be a threat on offense with speed and cuts, like a Reggie Bush/Desean Jackson type..say Percy Harvin?
I am intrigued by either Percy Harvin or Jeremy Maclin. I think either would be a very good pick for the Vikes, an upgrade to Wade, and would give a boos to the special teams since Allison and Hicks didn't give them much in the return game.
Looks like we were onto something. :thumbdown:
 
Andy Dufresne said:
ScottyFargo said:
Is there a chance that the Vikes could take Britton @ 22 and then trade back up to get Harvin in the late 1st, Early 2nd?
IMO, not very. I can't see the Vikes giving up picks to move up to take a guy with character flags.I think he's still going to go somewhere in the late 1st. He fits the physical mold of the type of WR that the Colts like. :thumbdown:
I can see the physical attributes thing, but I can't see the Colts organization going for a guy with Harvin's red flags. JMO, though.
I agree, which is why I was careful to say he fits the physical mold. Who knows, this whole character thing might be being blown out of proportion.
 
ScottyFargo said:
Is there a chance that the Vikes could take Britton @ 22 and then trade back up to get Harvin in the late 1st, Early 2nd?
Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:55:52 -0700John Moredich, of the Tucson Citizen, reports University of Arizona OT Eben Britton said he would not be surprised if the Minnesota Vikings selected him with their first-round draft pick. There ya go. I don't want someone who has a history of issues and discipline (Harvin), PLUS he scored a TWELVE on the wonderlic? No thank you.
 
FunkyPlutos said:
Read on the Star Tribune website that Childress was in Florida visiting with Harvin. Smokescreen or do they take him??
From the Kirwan article linked here on the forum:
3. Have the head coach go to a pro day or have a late private workout with a candidate.This kind of news spreads like wildfire, and the natural conclusion is that there's real interest. The Broncos are hosting Sanchez this week, and now the speculation is that the Broncos are going to take him. They might fall in love with the USC quarterback, but they might just be gathering information about Sanchez for a future date or maybe they really like Freeman.
Obviously it could go either way, but if we did take Harvin / Loadholt, I'd be pleased. FO said they had 3-5 guys they'd be pleased with should they get a shot at them, so I think we're likely to get a good guy whoever they go with.
 
Is there a chance that the Vikes could take Britton @ 22 and then trade back up to get Harvin in the late 1st, Early 2nd?
Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:55:52 -0700John Moredich, of the Tucson Citizen, reports University of Arizona OT Eben Britton said he would not be surprised if the Minnesota Vikings selected him with their first-round draft pick. There ya go. I don't want someone who has a history of issues and discipline (Harvin), PLUS he scored a TWELVE on the wonderlic? No thank you.
I would love this pick! I think the Harvin stuff is a smokescreen. They NEED an OT and with all the issues Harvin has had, I think they go OT if possible.Harvin reminds me of David Palmer without the returns (being he never did that at Florida, we can't assume he would be great at it). Palmer was a solid, but would that type of contribution be worth a first rounder now...plus there are the off-the-field issues, wonderlic, etc. I guess I would prefer they pass.
 
I wouldn't mind seeing them draft Graham Harrell late just to give him a chance. Always liked the kid.
He's short 6-1-ish I believe, can't read pro D's very well and not the best arm for a QB. He'll be late 7th rounder or a priority street free agent pick up. For some reason I see New Orleans grabbing him somehow.
 
Well today is here. Hopefully we'll grab Eben Britton (T) Arizona or Darius Butler (CB) U Conn with our first pick.

In the second round I hear it might be (G-T) Phil Loadholt, Okla, WR Juaquin Iglesias, Okla or even Slash, Pat White, W Va.

Later on in the draft, I'd like to see us grab one of the remaining pass receiving TE's (perhaps James Casey or Richard Quinn), an athletic type of OLB who can help in the pass rush (aka Larry Sidbury or a Gerald McRath) as well as some help for the kick return game, like a Mike Thomas, as well as some added depth for the OL and DL.

 
CanadianNFLJunkie said:
Well today is here. Hopefully we'll grab Eben Britton (T) Arizona or Darius Butler (CB) U Conn with our first pick. In the second round I hear it might be (G-T) Phil Loadholt, Okla, WR Juaquin Iglesias, Okla or even Slash, Pat White, W Va.Later on in the draft, I'd like to see us grab one of the remaining pass receiving TE's (perhaps James Casey or Richard Quinn), an athletic type of OLB who can help in the pass rush (aka Larry Sidbury or a Gerald McRath) as well as some help for the kick return game, like a Mike Thomas, as well as some added depth for the OL and DL.
I would love James Casey, but in order for that move to happen they would have to move Kleinsasser to FB fulltime which seems unlikely.My dream would be a trade up for Michael Crabtree, or hope Jeremy Maclin falls.Our first two picks should be either a OT, WR, or CB.
 
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Actually not enought pickles for me for this pick.

Everyone will say that Childress isn't creative enough to use him, but you can't get too creative with Bobby Wade as your slot guy. We needed another playmaker on offense to help open up the field and they got one. The saying is you can't make chicken salad out of chicken .... well you know the saying. I think this pick is the way they HAD to go.

 
:pickle: :pickle: :pickle: Actually not enought pickles for me for this pick. Everyone will say that Childress isn't creative enough to use him, but you can't get too creative with Bobby Wade as your slot guy. We needed another playmaker on offense to help open up the field and they got one. The saying is you can't make chicken salad out of chicken .... well you know the saying. I think this pick is the way they HAD to go.
I hope your right.I would have prefered Oher or Jerry who were both taken right after we picked Harvin.Both of those guys could have really helped us in an area that I think are higher priorities. I think taking Harvin was a win now pick while taking either of those linemen would help more long term.Harvin needs to make an instant impact in my opinion to justify the pick. He will return kicks I assume for sure.
 
I am happy with the draft as it went. Harvin should help take pressure off the run game and maybe contribute to special teams. The last time the Vikes drafted an athletically gifted WR with off field problems it worked out pretty well, hoping this does too. I like the Loadholt pick. Should fit well in the ZBS the team uses.

The only thing I was upset about was them not trading down for more picks with either of those draft slots. With Jerry and Oher both slipping to 22, there was going to be someone willing to throw in a 3rd or a 4th to move up 3 or 4 spots and that proved true with Baltimore jumping on NE's pick right afterwards. Plus, with Beatty still there at their second round pick I was hoping the could pick up a late round pick to move back a bit, but overall I'm happy.

 
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