KingAlfred
Footballguy
Absolutely great day for the Vikings here....great play maker to go with great road grading RT
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*** Official 2009 Minnesota Vikings Offseason Thread *** (2 Viewers)
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Harvin is an interesting pick if you are patient IMO>
I don't think he will take as much pressure off the run game right away as some of you might think.
He is not a polished WR...but man can he break a play and change the game and could help on special teams (though, for some reason, he did not do returns much for Florida).
Could work out to be a great pick, but I don't think he is a huge impact right away.
Love the 2nd pick though.
I don't think he will take as much pressure off the run game right away as some of you might think.
He is not a polished WR...but man can he break a play and change the game and could help on special teams (though, for some reason, he did not do returns much for Florida).
Could work out to be a great pick, but I don't think he is a huge impact right away.
Love the 2nd pick though.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Oher and what WR would you take at 2.22? I understand why the Vikings went WR then OT - it worked out pretty well IMO.Percy Harvin will end up being the pick that costs Childress his job. Would have rather had Oher or traded down a bit. This kid will be suspended this season.
KingAlfred
Footballguy
We do not exactly have...let me say...a sophisticated passing offense. We have bombs to B. Berrian...some quick outs to S. Rice...B. Wade can run a slant here and there. When we get really crazy...we may ask V. Shiancoe to go over the middle. As for P. Harvin, he will be asked to do short dump offs,screens,hitches etc I would think...which are not exactly complicated from a route running perspective. Getting the ball from the QB to the WR on these plays should not require a lot of polish at least on the part of the WR. Then, as we saw in the BCS championship games, the fun begins. P. Harvin's elusiveness and his ability to be a terror in space should make for some big plays. For normal WR's, I would agree..it takes a year or two to adjust...but because of the aforementioned, P. Harvin's case is different...and he should be able to contribute immediately in our offense. At least, that's the theory any way.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Even with that though, he was used to being in motion in a spread offense.Its going to be a bit different in an NFL offense with guys trying to bump him off routes and so on.
encaitar
Footballguy
Well, there are a few things that really help when you're getting jammed at the line: strength and quickness. Noone has any doubt about Harvin's quickness. He's quite possibly the shiftiest guy in this draft. As for his strength, he put up 19 reps on the bench at the combine, which isn't eye popping, but proves he's not a weakling either. I personally have no fears about his ability on the field. I think his playmaking ability adds a lot to the Vikes offense and more grey hairs to all the NFC North DCs. I only worry about his activities off the field.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Nice draft so far. Must be nice rooting for a team which has a clue.
encaitar
Footballguy
Al can't live forever, right?Nice draft so far. Must be nice rooting for a team which has a clue.
snogger
Footballguy
well, at least your team has a championship before 1970Nice draft so far. Must be nice rooting for a team which has a clue.
One of the announcers yesterday summed it up perfectly in regards to Oakland's pick:"Why bother going to the Combines, just look a the numbers and draft accordingly" 
snogger
Footballguy
Exactly what the Vikings HAVE to do..If they want to stay in Minnesota (I hope your right.I would have prefered Oher or Jerry who were both taken right after we picked Harvin.
Actually not enought pickles for me for this pick.
Everyone will say that Childress isn't creative enough to use him, but you can't get too creative with Bobby Wade as your slot guy. We needed another playmaker on offense to help open up the field and they got one. The saying is you can't make chicken salad out of chicken .... well you know the saying. I think this pick is the way they HAD to go.
Both of those guys could have really helped us in an area that I think are higher priorities. I think taking Harvin was a win now pick while taking either of those linemen would help more long term.
Harvin needs to make an instant impact in my opinion to justify the pick. He will return kicks I assume for sure.
) they HAVE to win NOW!No way they get a stadium if they don't start succeeding.
Not to mention the window is closing and short of a QB this team is built to win now and has some VERY good future stars to build around.
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FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
Day 2 wishes:
DJ Moore would be a great addition, but I think they would have to trade up to get him. There are plenty of decent CB prospects left, so my guess is that is where they go in round 3.
I still like Javon Ringer as a backup RB. A Defensive Tackle wouldn't be a bad pick but don't know what kind of value is there. I would like to see offensive line depth to develop with their two 7th rounders.
DJ Moore would be a great addition, but I think they would have to trade up to get him. There are plenty of decent CB prospects left, so my guess is that is where they go in round 3.
I still like Javon Ringer as a backup RB. A Defensive Tackle wouldn't be a bad pick but don't know what kind of value is there. I would like to see offensive line depth to develop with their two 7th rounders.
KingAlfred
Footballguy
It would be great if we could get DJ Moore...he is a top end talent....but agree...might require a trade up. If we get to the middle of the 3rd and he is still there...might be worth pulling the trigger. Would also like a defensive tackle and centre.Day 2 wishesJ Moore would be a great addition, but I think they would have to trade up to get him. There are plenty of decent CB prospects left, so my guess is that is where they go in round 3. I still like Javon Ringer as a backup RB. A Defensive Tackle wouldn't be a bad pick but don't know what kind of value is there. I would like to see offensive line depth to develop with their two 7th rounders.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Maybe Harvin will make me eat my words. I hope he does.I would still rather have Jerry.Exactly what the Vikings HAVE to do..If they want to stay in Minnesota (I hope your right.I would have prefered Oher or Jerry who were both taken right after we picked Harvin.
Actually not enought pickles for me for this pick.
Everyone will say that Childress isn't creative enough to use him, but you can't get too creative with Bobby Wade as your slot guy. We needed another playmaker on offense to help open up the field and they got one. The saying is you can't make chicken salad out of chicken .... well you know the saying. I think this pick is the way they HAD to go.
Both of those guys could have really helped us in an area that I think are higher priorities. I think taking Harvin was a win now pick while taking either of those linemen would help more long term.
Harvin needs to make an instant impact in my opinion to justify the pick. He will return kicks I assume for sure.
No way they get a stadium if they don't start succeeding.
Not to mention the window is closing and short of a QB this team is built to win now and has some VERY good future stars to build around.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
D.J. Moore is still available? That would make this draft an "A" for me.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I disagree. But I too was a bit surprised they didn't take Oher and wouldn't have minded one bit if they had.Percy Harvin will end up being the pick that costs Childress his job. Would have rather had Oher or traded down a bit. This kid will be suspended this season.
snogger
Footballguy
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Bud Kilmer
Footballguy
So much for character concerns and red flags... 
mozzy84
Footballguy
guy sounds like a winfield clonesnogger said:Vikes on the clock.. DJ still there..Andy Dufresne said:
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Asher Allen /CB georgia
Loving this draft!
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
Would have liked Moore but Allen and Moore were close to each other in most rankings so can't complain with the pick. Doesn't look like DJ Moore is high on anyone's list.
CanadianNFLJunkie
Footballguy
Gawwdd I wanted James Casey the TE who went what 2 picks later. I said I wonder if Casey will last... then I see trade, and I'm thinking it has to be Casey. Okay so Brinkley it is, a player who I had checked off as a sleeper pick. While we needed depth at ILB I can live with the pick but did we have to trade up for it?
Hopefully we'll get some good undrafted street free agents now.
The jury is still out for me on Harvin as I wanted OL or CB help at 22. I liked the "Load" pick, which was projected by many before the draft started.
I said I wonder if Casey will last... then I see trade, and I'm thinking it has to be Casey. Okay so Brinkley it is, a player who I had checked off as a sleeper pick. While we needed depth at ILB I can live with the pick but did we have to trade up for it?Hopefully we'll get some good undrafted street free agents now.
The jury is still out for me on Harvin as I wanted OL or CB help at 22. I liked the "Load" pick, which was projected by many before the draft started.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Patriots, others were hoping to land HarvinImagine if New England took Harvin instead of the Vikings, the pick would have universally praised as a steal. I am quite sure sport commentators around the world would be chanting "Belichick is a genius" in unison.
CanadianNFLJunkie
Footballguy
So what prominent street free agents did we sign after the draft? I heard the name Ian Johnson, RB Boise State, who some felt would go 4th-5th round.
sho nuff
Footballguy
It might be true...but the claim in that article that NE indicated they would draft Harvin seems to be BS. BB seems to keep everything pretty close to the vest, I doubt they indicated to any player that they were going to take them.
KingAlfred
Footballguy
If B. Belichick was in 'Gatorsville' on Friday before the draft, which even Percy Harvin admitted, then you have to think there was a reasonable chance he was prominent on their radar screen. And then when they traded out of #23 immediately after we picked P. Harvin at #22, it is not unreasonable to suggest that that points in favour of that scenario. Perhaps B. Belichick going down their on Friday was a smokescreen....but that seems excessive even for B. Belichick. We'll never know for sure though....
DevilsTrifecta
Footballguy
You got Ian Johnson and also Vinny Peretta (WR) from Boise State. Two hard-working guys who, if they make the roster, will be beasts on special teams. Johnson said that he chose Minnesota over Dallas and Denver because the Vikes said they wanted him to be a 3rd down back. He's great in motion and pass protection and catches the ball well.
jestertj
Footballguy
At 2.22 I would have been hoping for Robieske. Obviously he wouldn't have been there and they maybe would have gone CB instead.Oher and what WR would you take at 2.22? I understand why the Vikings went WR then OT - it worked out pretty well IMO.Percy Harvin will end up being the pick that costs Childress his job. Would have rather had Oher or traded down a bit. This kid will be suspended this season.
sho nuff
Footballguy
How many guys do you think BB went to see before the draft?And you know he and Urban are friends right (I did read that this year).
I don't think its a smokescreen...but to say that any team indicated such a thing prior to the draft, especially a team known for keeping things inside almost moreso than any other seems like something you all want to believe rather than really thinking clearly and seeing that some of that is probably not true.
ScottyFargo
Footballguy
It could be Childress just trying to get Billicek's goat. Ever since the issue with taking Mills off of Pat's practice squad they've not been happy with the other, allegedly, so Childress could just be fronting like he got BB's man, kind of like how Tupac told Biggie he had Faith Evans, or how Kanye responded after Hurricane Katrina to Bush and FEMA.I can't wait for his next CD: "All Day Running Thru Tha 3-4", featuring such hits as "Jeff George Is Pass His Prime", "It's a Kick ### Offense (When It's Executed Properly)", and of course the catchy "How you doin', Terrell?"
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
The article didn't say that New England let on, it just said that they had contacted the Eagles about moving ahead of the Vikings during the draft - something that the team found out about after the draft.
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
After the first day it was all closed, so I don't think there is much information out there.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Sidney Rice still not 100% recovered from a sprained PCL?
encaitar
Footballguy
Well, that's not too encouraging. Hopefully it's 100% by training camp. I did notice that article mentioned him working out in Miami with Marion Barber and the difficulty of those workouts. That DOES sound encouraging.
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
Hopefully they put Rice in at QB at some point - he's got a good arm.
ScottyFargo
Footballguy
Harvin is going to be exceptional.
encaitar
Footballguy
Well, training camp starts this weekend, so I think it would be high time to discuss some of the biggest position battles that will be happening. Obviously QB could end up being the biggest, but until we hear one way or another on Favre, we can't really consider it a battle yet. So, the biggest battle IMO is at the WR position.
We'll start with what we know:
Bernard Berrian: he will be the No. 1 guy and in on most packages.
Percy Harvin: a rookie, but most expect him to be a focus of the offense this year. Probably will be the slot guy in normal packages.
These two have their spots set in stone right now and, outside of injury or a big flop on Harvin's part, will be opening day starters.
Sidney Rice: Has had trouble with injury, but immensely talented. Favorite to become the No. 2 guy on normal packages and maybe be a big target in the redzone.
He also has a guaranteed spot on the team, but his role is questionable at this point. He could cement a starting spot, or he could be relegated to specific packages.
The rest of these guys are struggling to make the sqaud. This will be the main battle and an interesting one. I think the Vikings will keep 6 WRs, just because of the talent of this group, but if they decide on only 5, then it could get real interesting between these three.
Aundrae Allison: If he can show that he is more than just a special teamer during camp then I think he makes the squad. He has the ability to get open, but seemed to struggle with drops last year and he will need to prove more reliable if he wants a spot.
Bobby Wade: His spot may be in trouble IMO. I know he has been the leading WR for the Vikings, but I doubt he starts in the slot over Harvin. However, if Harvin doesn't step up like most think he will then he may be kept on to be the slot guy.
Jaymar Johnson: His name has been in the news lately as both Chilly and Chris Carter have raved about his work ethic and abilities. Carter thinks Johnson has the skills to be a starter for the Vikings. He is not a very big guy, but added a lot of weight this offseason. I know many on this board were enthusiastic about him last year. I think he needs to show he can be the starting kick off returner if he wants to make the roster. If he really surprises during camp then he could possibly take Wade's or Allison's spot.
If the Vikings go with 5 WRs, then these are the only ones with a chance to make it IMO. However, if they decide on 6 then one of these could also come into the mix with a solid camp.
Darius Reynaud: He might even have an edge over JJ as he was the one promoted from the practice sqaud last year when the Vikes needed a returner. Didn't wow in the returner spot, but didn't disappoint either. Needs to have a great camp to make the opening day roster.
Glenn Holt: A pickup this spring. Has a very limited NFL experience and likely would have to be outstanding to pass the guys already mentioned.
Vinny Perretta: One of the two Boise State guys the Vikings signed after the draft. I don't really expect him to make the roster, but he'll have a good chance to make the practice squad.
Bobby Williams: Another rookie. I know nothing about him. Probably an early cut.
Anyway, that's the position battle as I see it. I'd like to know what everyone else's thoughts are on this position and let me know if I forgot anyone.
We'll start with what we know:
Bernard Berrian: he will be the No. 1 guy and in on most packages.
Percy Harvin: a rookie, but most expect him to be a focus of the offense this year. Probably will be the slot guy in normal packages.
These two have their spots set in stone right now and, outside of injury or a big flop on Harvin's part, will be opening day starters.
Sidney Rice: Has had trouble with injury, but immensely talented. Favorite to become the No. 2 guy on normal packages and maybe be a big target in the redzone.
He also has a guaranteed spot on the team, but his role is questionable at this point. He could cement a starting spot, or he could be relegated to specific packages.
The rest of these guys are struggling to make the sqaud. This will be the main battle and an interesting one. I think the Vikings will keep 6 WRs, just because of the talent of this group, but if they decide on only 5, then it could get real interesting between these three.
Aundrae Allison: If he can show that he is more than just a special teamer during camp then I think he makes the squad. He has the ability to get open, but seemed to struggle with drops last year and he will need to prove more reliable if he wants a spot.
Bobby Wade: His spot may be in trouble IMO. I know he has been the leading WR for the Vikings, but I doubt he starts in the slot over Harvin. However, if Harvin doesn't step up like most think he will then he may be kept on to be the slot guy.
Jaymar Johnson: His name has been in the news lately as both Chilly and Chris Carter have raved about his work ethic and abilities. Carter thinks Johnson has the skills to be a starter for the Vikings. He is not a very big guy, but added a lot of weight this offseason. I know many on this board were enthusiastic about him last year. I think he needs to show he can be the starting kick off returner if he wants to make the roster. If he really surprises during camp then he could possibly take Wade's or Allison's spot.
If the Vikings go with 5 WRs, then these are the only ones with a chance to make it IMO. However, if they decide on 6 then one of these could also come into the mix with a solid camp.
Darius Reynaud: He might even have an edge over JJ as he was the one promoted from the practice sqaud last year when the Vikes needed a returner. Didn't wow in the returner spot, but didn't disappoint either. Needs to have a great camp to make the opening day roster.
Glenn Holt: A pickup this spring. Has a very limited NFL experience and likely would have to be outstanding to pass the guys already mentioned.
Vinny Perretta: One of the two Boise State guys the Vikings signed after the draft. I don't really expect him to make the roster, but he'll have a good chance to make the practice squad.
Bobby Williams: Another rookie. I know nothing about him. Probably an early cut.
Anyway, that's the position battle as I see it. I'd like to know what everyone else's thoughts are on this position and let me know if I forgot anyone.
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Vikes Fan
Footballguy
Wade will start in the slot. I think Harvin will be all over the field, but I only think he will see 15 or so snaps a game. Wade is a reliable hands guy and gives leadership to the young receivers that they sorely need. Wade will not lose too many snaps to Harvin, as again, I see Harvin as a David Palmer type who will be all over the place.I almost find Holt a lock because of his ability as a returner. I think he sticks as the 6th guy but mainly as a return specialist. (Allison's spot could actually be the one in jepordy. He has not stepped up when given the opportunity.)
Just my 2 cents.
texasyankee
Footballguy
Just a thought
Wildcat formation with Vick in the shotgun, AD to his left, Harvin to his right.
Who needs Favre??
Wildcat formation with Vick in the shotgun, AD to his left, Harvin to his right.
Who needs Favre??
sho nuff
Footballguy
How many times are you going to run that though?Because here is the thing...Vick brings little threat of passing the ball. Defenses will be keying even more on the run than before.I have heard it brought up...but don't see Vick as a real fit in Minny or within that offense.
Vikes Fan
Footballguy
I agree. While I think they show some funky formations this year with Harvin, their basic package is still going to be Chilly's version of the WCO. The WCO did not go so well for Vick when he ran it in Atlanta under Mora Jr.
TeamDingo
Footballguy
Vikings sign second-round pick Loadholt
http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/...L7PQLanchO7DiUr
http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/...L7PQLanchO7DiUr
