****OFFICIAL 2009 Off Season Washington Redskins Thread**** (1 Viewer)

[buster c]

the only negotiating that seems to be done is against themselves. how else to explain the number that Hall got? I don’t believe Ceratto – especially if they signed Hall prior to midnight - there were no other teams that would have sniffed that number. sure, the Pats were reported to be interested, but when in their recent past have they made a signing anywhere near what the Skins just gave Hall?

just listened to Shaun Springs on 980. nice guy, but as nittany says, his removal from the locker room is a net positive. it’s the kind of move that needs to be made. unfortunately, neither Doc nor Sheehin asked him whether the Skins asked him to restructure. or whether he would reconsider signing back up with the Skins.

Casserly was on 980 earlier. Said that Hayneworth was no Reggie White and that his best two years were when he was on one-year contracts.

 

[Dexter Manley]

from Vinnie the Ninja

Redskins executive vice president Vinny Cerrato said that after splurging on defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth and cornerback DeAngelo Hall in the first seven hours of free agency, the club has only enough salary cap room to afford one more player, almost surely an offensive lineman.

Former Redskins left guard Derrick Dockery, cut by Buffalo on Thursday, is a leading candidate although right tackle Ray Willis, who was in Seattle with coach Jim Zorn, is another strong possibility.

So, the Redskins have cancelled the expected visit by Dallas defensive end Chris Canty. Indianapolis punter Hunter Smith also won't be coming as Washington will have to find a minumum salary type to compete with inexperienced recent signee Zac Atterberry.

Cerrato also said that he has talked to Carlos Rogers, and that everything's back to normal with the cornerback who was very unhappy after being benched in December. Cerrato said that Rogers will be a Redskin this season as will all three of the defensive tackles, Cornelius Griffin, Kedric Golston and Anthony Montgomery, who either reworked contracts or were given tenders this week.

OK, now I'm officially starting to get lathered up...hmm, I wonder if you guys have ever seen me play the optimist. If this is true, and they can go into the Season with a Haynesworth/Griffin/Gholston/Montgomery rotation at D-Tackle, not only are they going to have the potential to get some fast pass from the D-Ends and OLB's, but the Secondary won't be hung out to dry either. One hand washes the other.Now, come on, fellas...ADDRESS THAT O-LINE!!!

This certainly has the potential to turn a merely good defense into a dominant one, but we've seen moves like this bust before. I will be quite happy if they can resign Dock though. Their OG spots are both in worse shape than even the RT spot. Heyer and Jansen can get us through another year if we have to choose between Dock and Willis.

I agree with you on Dockery. I'm thinking if we don't get Dock, then we'll get stuck with bringing back Kendall.Sign Dockery, drop down in the draft, and pick an OT and OG with 2 of the first 3 picks. This would greatly improve our oline situation.

 

[Sebowski]

Great start to the offseason. Signing Dock back would be awesome. I am also glad Springs is gone. I would still like to resign Evans to rotate at DE. There is no depth there at all.

I'm still hoping we go LB or DE in the draft.

 

[Marvelous]

If they cut Springs, I assume that ends the Carlos Rogers trade talk?

Looks like they'll need depth at cb. Sure could use a guy like Liegh Torrence. Maybe Justin Tryon will be able to contribute this year.

Hall, Rogers, and Smoot make a deep CB crop. Tryon was pathetic last year. I don't even remember him getting on the field last year.

IIRC, Tryon was getting some playing time at CB at the end of last year in place of Smoot.

Tryon will be no better than a dime CB and special teamer. He was a juco transfer to Arizona State and by most accounts was drafted at least a round early. Anyone pinning their hopes on him needs their head checked.

Mr. Cerrato, time to get your head checked.Vinny opted to keep Tryon and cut Torrence when the Redskins signed Hall.

 

[Yamato]

Great start to the offseason. Signing Dock back would be awesome. I am also glad Springs is gone. I would still like to resign Evans to rotate at DE. There is no depth there at all. I'm still hoping we go LB or DE in the draft.

I was hoping they would get Orakpo with 1.13 but with the 2 big defensive signings they should be looking offensive line.

 

[Yamato]

If they cut Springs, I assume that ends the Carlos Rogers trade talk?

Looks like they'll need depth at cb. Sure could use a guy like Liegh Torrence. Maybe Justin Tryon will be able to contribute this year.

Hall, Rogers, and Smoot make a deep CB crop. Tryon was pathetic last year. I don't even remember him getting on the field last year.

IIRC, Tryon was getting some playing time at CB at the end of last year in place of Smoot.

Tryon will be no better than a dime CB and special teamer. He was a juco transfer to Arizona State and by most accounts was drafted at least a round early. Anyone pinning their hopes on him needs their head checked.

Mr. Cerrato, time to get your head checked.Vinny opted to keep Tryon and cut Torrence when the Redskins signed Hall.

Same reason they kept the great "whats his name punter" and dropped Frost...in the hopes they will turn into something and he will save face...instead he got a facial.

 

[Marvelous]

Springs just can't stay on the field anymore.

Since 2002 (Haynesworth's rookie season), Springs has played in 91 games and Haynesworth has played in 90 games.

What are the figures for the last 2 years? My impression is that age has definately affected Springs durability.

 

[fatness]

Mr. Cerrato, time to get your head checked.Vinny opted to keep Tryon and cut Torrence when the Redskins signed Hall.

I can't argue with that. But at the same time he deserves credit for picking up DeAngelo Hall quickly and cheaply last year to find out if he can play. And Hall has done a fine job.

 

[T Bell]

Mr. Cerrato, time to get your head checked.

Vinny opted to keep Tryon and cut Torrence when the Redskins signed Hall.

I can't argue with that. But at the same time he deserves credit for picking up DeAngelo Hall quickly and cheaply last year to find out if he can play. And Hall has done a fine job.

. . . when he needed redemption and a new contract . . . We've now put an enormous amount of FA $$ into two such guys. Just sayin'. As for Torrence, that was criticized at the time and rightly so. It was a needless cut of a popular player who was both already valuable as a dime CB and special teamer, and also developing as a CB in general. It was dumb.

 

[dgreen]

Springs just can't stay on the field anymore.

Since 2002 (Haynesworth's rookie season), Springs has played in 91 games and Haynesworth has played in 90 games.

What are the figures for the last 2 years? My impression is that age has definately affected Springs durability.

Haynesworth = 27Springs = 25

 

[Marvelous]

I'm going to see what's going on over at Extremeskins. Wish me luck.

OK, so I read over at Extremeskins that apparently both Haynesworth and Hall had bigger offers from other teams, but chose the Redskins.

Without even looking, I'm going to call on that one.

The thread claims Schefter said TB offered Haynesworth more and that Vinny said on 980 that Hall received a larger offer from an unnamed team. I agree, probably .Of course, I don't know exactly what is meant by "more". More overall? More years? More signing bonus? More base salary? More incentives?

There is some blatant tampering going on if Hall got a better offer from another team. He never made it to free agency and was under contract with the Redskisn the whole time.

 

[Marvelous]

from Vinnie the Ninja

Redskins executive vice president Vinny Cerrato said that after splurging on defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth and cornerback DeAngelo Hall in the first seven hours of free agency, the club has only enough salary cap room to afford one more player, almost surely an offensive lineman.

Former Redskins left guard Derrick Dockery, cut by Buffalo on Thursday, is a leading candidate although right tackle Ray Willis, who was in Seattle with coach Jim Zorn, is another strong possibility.

So, the Redskins have cancelled the expected visit by Dallas defensive end Chris Canty. Indianapolis punter Hunter Smith also won't be coming as Washington will have to find a minumum salary type to compete with inexperienced recent signee Zac Atterberry.

Cerrato also said that he has talked to Carlos Rogers, and that everything's back to normal with the cornerback who was very unhappy after being benched in December. Cerrato said that Rogers will be a Redskin this season as will all three of the defensive tackles, Cornelius Griffin, Kedric Golston and Anthony Montgomery, who either reworked contracts or were given tenders this week.

OK, now I'm officially starting to get lathered up...hmm, I wonder if you guys have ever seen me play the optimist. If this is true, and they can go into the Season with a Haynesworth/Griffin/Gholston/Montgomery rotation at D-Tackle, not only are they going to have the potential to get some fast pass from the D-Ends and OLB's, but the Secondary won't be hung out to dry either. One hand washes the other.Now, come on, fellas...ADDRESS THAT O-LINE!!!

I am a little concerned that they tendered Golston and Montgomery at the lowest level. Someone could sign them and all the Redskins get is a 5th round pick.

 

[Marvelous]

Springs just can't stay on the field anymore.

Since 2002 (Haynesworth's rookie season), Springs has played in 91 games and Haynesworth has played in 90 games.

What are the figures for the last 2 years? My impression is that age has definately affected Springs durability.

Haynesworth = 27Springs = 25

Not exactly the kind of numbers I was hoping to see from Haynesworth.

 

[Sidewinder16]

from Vinnie the Ninja

Redskins executive vice president Vinny Cerrato said that after splurging on defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth and cornerback DeAngelo Hall in the first seven hours of free agency, the club has only enough salary cap room to afford one more player, almost surely an offensive lineman.

Former Redskins left guard Derrick Dockery, cut by Buffalo on Thursday, is a leading candidate although right tackle Ray Willis, who was in Seattle with coach Jim Zorn, is another strong possibility.

So, the Redskins have cancelled the expected visit by Dallas defensive end Chris Canty. Indianapolis punter Hunter Smith also won't be coming as Washington will have to find a minumum salary type to compete with inexperienced recent signee Zac Atterberry.

Cerrato also said that he has talked to Carlos Rogers, and that everything's back to normal with the cornerback who was very unhappy after being benched in December. Cerrato said that Rogers will be a Redskin this season as will all three of the defensive tackles, Cornelius Griffin, Kedric Golston and Anthony Montgomery, who either reworked contracts or were given tenders this week.

OK, now I'm officially starting to get lathered up...hmm, I wonder if you guys have ever seen me play the optimist. If this is true, and they can go into the Season with a Haynesworth/Griffin/Gholston/Montgomery rotation at D-Tackle, not only are they going to have the potential to get some fast pass from the D-Ends and OLB's, but the Secondary won't be hung out to dry either. One hand washes the other.Now, come on, fellas...ADDRESS THAT O-LINE!!!

I am a little concerned that they tendered Golston and Montgomery at the lowest level. Someone could sign them and all the Redskins get is a 5th round pick.

I thought the 'Skins had the opportunity to match any offers they got.

 

[buster c]

Springs just can't stay on the field anymore.

Since 2002 (Haynesworth's rookie season), Springs has played in 91 games and Haynesworth has played in 90 games.

What are the figures for the last 2 years? My impression is that age has definately affected Springs durability.

Haynesworth = 27Springs = 25

Not exactly the kind of numbers I was hoping to see from Haynesworth.

oh, and don't forget that he plays only about 60% of the D snaps, from what I hear

 

[T Bell]

Springs just can't stay on the field anymore.

Since 2002 (Haynesworth's rookie season), Springs has played in 91 games and Haynesworth has played in 90 games.

What are the figures for the last 2 years? My impression is that age has definately affected Springs durability.

Haynesworth = 27Springs = 25

Not exactly the kind of numbers I was hoping to see from Haynesworth.

oh, and don't forget that he plays only about 60% of the D snaps, from what I hear

The issue for me is can he make an impact? The number of snaps played only hints at that, but if all he's been playing is 60% of the snaps and he's been making as big of an impact as he has, so what? I'm more concerned about him getting complacent with a new contract than I am about "only" playing 60% of the snaps.

 

[Bizkiteer]

STOP WHINING!!! Seriously, some of you just like to moan and complain no matter what the teams does...

If they don't sign anyone...you moan, if they do sign someone...you moan. It's not your money and if Danny wants to spend it, so be it. The team always finds a way to work the cap, so stop using that excuse. I'd rather have an owner who is always trying and being active than be stuck with an owner that does absolutely nothing. I might not think every move is ideal, but nothing in life is perfect. To gripe about everything gets really old. Get over it and accept it, sheesh!

 

[buster c]

STOP WHINING!!! Seriously, some of you just like to moan and complain no matter what the teams does... If they don't sign anyone...you moan, if they do sign someone...you moan. It's not your money and if Danny wants to spend it, so be it. The team always finds a way to work the cap, so stop using that excuse. I'd rather have an owner who is always trying and being active than be stuck with an owner that does absolutely nothing. I might not think every move is ideal, but nothing in life is perfect. To gripe about everything gets really old. Get over it and accept it, sheesh!

sorry to offend your delicate sensibilities. maybe you'd be more happy on some kool-aid message board?I moaned not at all last year after no signings. I was pleased to see that the draft was going to be the tool to stock the team, like the winning franchises do (see NE, Pit, SD, Balt, Indy, Philly, NY, etc). So I don't want to hear your false double-standard accusation. It's blusterous nonsense. You're entitled to be pleased with our front office; that's your prerogative. I love the team, hate the owner and That's my prerogative. But can you name another franchise that builds the same way as the Redskins do? And win?

 

[southeastjerome]

STOP WHINING!!! Seriously, some of you just like to moan and complain no matter what the teams does... If they don't sign anyone...you moan, if they do sign someone...you moan. It's not your money and if Danny wants to spend it, so be it. The team always finds a way to work the cap, so stop using that excuse. I'd rather have an owner who is always trying and being active than be stuck with an owner that does absolutely nothing. I might not think every move is ideal, but nothing in life is perfect. To gripe about everything gets really old. Get over it and accept it, sheesh!

sorry to offend your delicate sensibilities. maybe you'd be more happy on some kool-aid message board?I moaned not at all last year after no signings. I was pleased to see that the draft was going to be the tool to stock the team, like the winning franchises do (see NE, Pit, SD, Balt, Indy, Philly, NY, etc). So I don't want to hear your false double-standard accusation. It's blusterous nonsense. You're entitled to be pleased with our front office; that's your prerogative. I love the team, hate the owner and That's my prerogative. But can you name another franchise that builds the same way as the Redskins do? And win?

I think the difference this time around is the potential of next year being uncapped. If his cap hit next year eats up a bulk of the guaranteed money, then I don't have any problem with this deal (nor should any Skins fan imo). If this were 2006 and the idea of an uncapped season were not in the offing, I'd be right with the "whiners". This clearly hasn't been a recipe for success. It is different this time around because the money spent might not end up hurting the team from a cap standpoint.My real gripe with the way the skins have done things in recent years is with them just throwing away draft picks. Even teams like the Pats have made some big splashes, Moss, Welker, Adalius Thomas, Rosy Colvin. The difference is that the Pats stockpile draftpicks and surround these free agents with inexpensive talent/depth. Not all the big signings for the skins have been all that bad. Fletcher has been a big part of the D. Griffin, Washington, Carter, Springs, Rabach and Thomas all have produced at a high level. Its just that there is not much depth around these guys because we piss away draft picks like they are nothing. Over the same time how many FA busts have there been? Arch, Lloyd, ARE hasn't lived up to his contract. There have been more producers than non producers over the past couple years just off the top of my head. The trading away of draft picks has hurt them more than the signing of free agents imo.

 

[Sidewinder16]

oh, and don't forget that he plays only about 60% of the D snaps, from what I hear

I've seen this number (or something similar to it) pop up a few times now in Haynesworth discussions. Is this out of the ordinary for a DT? Are there a lot of top tier DTs that play significantly more snaps?Honest questions, as I have no idea what percentage of snaps is "normal" for a DT to play, across the NFL. I know the 'Skins rotate DTs a good bit, so I'm not sure any 'Skin DT has played much more than 60% of the D snaps in any given season recently. But, I'm sure other teams run their systems differently and could have widely varying results compared to the 'Skins.

 

[Sebowski]

Haynesworth presser right now on redskins.com and 980am

 

[Dexter Manley]

STOP WHINING!!! Seriously, some of you just like to moan and complain no matter what the teams does... If they don't sign anyone...you moan, if they do sign someone...you moan. It's not your money and if Danny wants to spend it, so be it. The team always finds a way to work the cap, so stop using that excuse. I'd rather have an owner who is always trying and being active than be stuck with an owner that does absolutely nothing. I might not think every move is ideal, but nothing in life is perfect. To gripe about everything gets really old. Get over it and accept it, sheesh!

sorry to offend your delicate sensibilities. maybe you'd be more happy on some kool-aid message board?I moaned not at all last year after no signings. I was pleased to see that the draft was going to be the tool to stock the team, like the winning franchises do (see NE, Pit, SD, Balt, Indy, Philly, NY, etc). So I don't want to hear your false double-standard accusation. It's blusterous nonsense. You're entitled to be pleased with our front office; that's your prerogative. I love the team, hate the owner and That's my prerogative. But can you name another franchise that builds the same way as the Redskins do? And win?

I think the difference this time around is the potential of next year being uncapped. If his cap hit next year eats up a bulk of the guaranteed money, then I don't have any problem with this deal (nor should any Skins fan imo). If this were 2006 and the idea of an uncapped season were not in the offing, I'd be right with the "whiners". This clearly hasn't been a recipe for success. It is different this time around because the money spent might not end up hurting the team from a cap standpoint.

This is the reason I'm pretty excited about signing Haynesworth. If the cap goes away, which is appearing more and more likely, then this is a fantastic signing. Haynesworth isn't just the best DT or Dlineman in the league, he's the best defensive player in the league. The guy was a leading MVP candidate last season before he got nicked.Now, could Al be a bust ala Stubblefield? Absolutely. There's a bust risk with any major FA signing. No such thing as a sure thing. I'll take our chances that this works out.

 

[Marvelous]

from Vinnie the Ninja

Redskins executive vice president Vinny Cerrato said that after splurging on defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth and cornerback DeAngelo Hall in the first seven hours of free agency, the club has only enough salary cap room to afford one more player, almost surely an offensive lineman.

Former Redskins left guard Derrick Dockery, cut by Buffalo on Thursday, is a leading candidate although right tackle Ray Willis, who was in Seattle with coach Jim Zorn, is another strong possibility.

So, the Redskins have cancelled the expected visit by Dallas defensive end Chris Canty. Indianapolis punter Hunter Smith also won't be coming as Washington will have to find a minumum salary type to compete with inexperienced recent signee Zac Atterberry.

Cerrato also said that he has talked to Carlos Rogers, and that everything's back to normal with the cornerback who was very unhappy after being benched in December. Cerrato said that Rogers will be a Redskin this season as will all three of the defensive tackles, Cornelius Griffin, Kedric Golston and Anthony Montgomery, who either reworked contracts or were given tenders this week.

OK, now I'm officially starting to get lathered up...hmm, I wonder if you guys have ever seen me play the optimist. If this is true, and they can go into the Season with a Haynesworth/Griffin/Gholston/Montgomery rotation at D-Tackle, not only are they going to have the potential to get some fast pass from the D-Ends and OLB's, but the Secondary won't be hung out to dry either. One hand washes the other.Now, come on, fellas...ADDRESS THAT O-LINE!!!

I am a little concerned that they tendered Golston and Montgomery at the lowest level. Someone could sign them and all the Redskins get is a 5th round pick.

I thought the 'Skins had the opportunity to match any offers they got.

They do. But what if Tampa signs one of them to a conatract with a large cap figure in 2009? Can the Redskins match? Also, teams can always put in a poison pill like Minnesote used in the Hutchinson contract.

 

[Dexter Manley]

STOP WHINING!!! Seriously, some of you just like to moan and complain no matter what the teams does...

If they don't sign anyone...you moan, if they do sign someone...you moan. It's not your money and if Danny wants to spend it, so be it. The team always finds a way to work the cap, so stop using that excuse. I'd rather have an owner who is always trying and being active than be stuck with an owner that does absolutely nothing. I might not think every move is ideal, but nothing in life is perfect. To gripe about everything gets really old. Get over it and accept it, sheesh!

sorry to offend your delicate sensibilities. maybe you'd be more happy on some kool-aid message board?I moaned not at all last year after no signings. I was pleased to see that the draft was going to be the tool to stock the team, like the winning franchises do (see NE, Pit, SD, Balt, Indy, Philly, NY, etc). So I don't want to hear your false double-standard accusation. It's blusterous nonsense.

You're entitled to be pleased with our front office; that's your prerogative. I love the team, hate the owner and That's my prerogative.

But can you name another franchise that builds the same way as the Redskins do? And win?

No, but I can't think of another team that builds the same way as the Redskins and loses either. I'm fine with them adding big name FA's as long as they hang onto their draft picks. The problem is we only have 4 picks in the draft.The key for the Skins now is to accumlate more picks in this draft, and refuse to part with any future draft picks under any circumstances.

In my dream world, Stafford falls to 13 and the Skins are able to get some team to pay a ransom for moving up to get him.

 

[Sebowski]

Presser Recap:

He is excited to be a Redskin. Uncle is a life-long fan and he grew up hearing all about the Redskins.

Coming here reminds him of being drafted by the Titans is that they were coming off 9-7, 8-8 seasons and were close to being great. Wants the Redskins to take that step.

Doesn't want to be remembered as the guy who kicked someone in the head. He is working hard to put that behind him.

Doesn't want to be remembered as a bust. Says the money is all great, but he lives for showing people he is the best

More concerned with how he will be used then the money being offered when talking to potential teams.

Asked how he is going to contribute. Says he hopes to be dominate, but knows that just eating blocks will create sacks for teammates, and he will be just as happy for that.

Wants to be the best player on the field at all times. Wants to be HoF. Talked about with the greats like Reggie White and Bruce Smith.

Was glad to talk to Zorn so much. Needed to be comfortable with the coaches and administration. He is very happy to be here. Feels the Redskins are a big family and is excited to be in that atmosphere.

Happy to have a fresh start.

Liked Tampa when he was there for the Super Bowl but saw them rebuilding and he doesn't want to waste time and wants to win right away.

Uncle has always hated the Eagles and got in fights because of it, so he knows how important those rivalries are.

Game has slowed down for him. Keeps waiting to feel like he is in the Matrix out there and dominate.

Scheme seems similar to Tenn.

Met Portis at the Pro Bowl. Knows Samuels. Always heard good things from players about the Redskins.

Doesn't feel pressure because of the money. Says nothing can be more pressure than what he puts on himself. Could have been a billion dollars. He would still put the pressure on himself to be the best.

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He is very well spoken. Sounds like a great locker room guy too. I am more excited than before after hearing him talk.

 

[fatness]

Haynesworth presser right now on redskins.com and 980am

I just turned it on now. He sounds pretty low key and not full of himself. Says he's been talking to some of the Redskin players without coaches around and everything he's hearing is positive. "I put more pressure on myself than the contract does."Aplogized to Gurode, hung out with him at the Pro Bowl.

 

[fatness]

Asked how he is going to contribute. Says he hopes to be dominate, but knows that just eating blocks will create sacks for teammates, and he will be just as happy for that.

I was happy hearing that as well. It's the right thing to say, of course, his understanding of the game and team play shows.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Has Demetric Evans already given up his number?

 

[fatness]

Evans isn't currently a Redskin.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Evans isn't currently a Redskin.

Oops.I guess redskins.com is updating guys coming in but not guys going out.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Who already has your Haynesworth jersey pre-ordered?

It's alright to admit it.

 

[fatness]

Haynesworth is supposed to be on ESPN980 shortly.

Link to listen

Will Andy ask him "Have you ever heard the story of Dana Stubblefield?"

 

[fatness]

Shawn Springs is a class guy.

"They did what's best for the team, and I'm happy for them," Springs said in a telephone conversation. "I'm going to miss my friends there, but as long as it makes the team better, I understand. I'm a true fan of the sport."

 

[fatness]

Good stuff from JLC

This must be a scoring defense. It must produce two turnovers a game. It must give the offense a short field because this is a team that could not run the ball or protect the passer over the last eight weeks of the season as it finished 2-6.During personnel meetings, Vinny Cerrato, the vice president of football of operations, made it a point to push the coaches for explanations for the horrible second half. The response to a large degree was that they needed three younger, starting-caliber offensive linemen. Perhaps the Skins will work more salary-cap magic and be able to add several offensive linemen who fit that description. The offseason is far from over, for sure.But the expectations for Haynesworth, and cornerback DeAngelo Hall, for that matter, are -- and should be -- as high as possible. They must forge the identity of this defense, and the result must be playoff wins. Otherwise, in two or three years, the Redskins will find themselves handcuffed by another contract, making decisions that have more to do with navigating the salary cap than prudent football considerations.

 

[Sebowski]

short 980 interview

They asked him if he was aware of the busts the SKins have signed and if that made him say he didn't care about the money and puts pressure on himself. He said no, that he really feels that way.

Watched a lot of film on the Redskins. During the team search asked how he would be used. Knew the money was there wherever he went, but wanted to play the way he has been playing and the Skins said they will use him the same way. Wants to eat blocks and make plays.

I really don't like these hosts very much. Was glad to hear a caller ask them "what did the Skins do to you"

 

[Sebowski]

ES presser coverage includes a Rogers quote I like:

http://extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=281495

Carlos Rogers

On if he is happy to have Haynesworth on the Redskins:

"Hell yea I'm happy about that. Alone with a healthy season from Jason Taylor, we can be the #1 defense in the league."

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Doesn't sound like he wants out anymore. I am getting excited about this defense. I would love to see another starting LB come in, but I guess we can't have everything.

 

[TankRizzo]

Good stuff from JLC

This must be a scoring defense. It must produce two turnovers a game. It must give the offense a short field because this is a team that could not run the ball or protect the passer over the last eight weeks of the season as it finished 2-6.

During personnel meetings, Vinny Cerrato, the vice president of football of operations, made it a point to push the coaches for explanations for the horrible second half. The response to a large degree was that they needed three younger, starting-caliber offensive linemen. Perhaps the Skins will work more salary-cap magic and be able to add several offensive linemen who fit that description. The offseason is far from over, for sure.

But the expectations for Haynesworth, and cornerback DeAngelo Hall, for that matter, are -- and should be -- as high as possible. They must forge the identity of this defense, and the result must be playoff wins. Otherwise, in two or three years, the Redskins will find themselves handcuffed by another contract, making decisions that have more to do with navigating the salary cap than prudent football considerations.

He definitely nailed it with that. I felt like the only time the offense scored was when they had a short field.

 

[champ24]

Dockery just signed per NFL Network

26 mill over 5 years

 

[dgreen]

Dockery just signed per NFL Network26 mill over 5 years

Yep. $8.5M guaranteed.Well, they are certainly making moves that appear to good at this point in time. Only time will tell if this all works.I listened to the Haynesworth presser in the car on the way home. I'm not sure I'd ever heard him talk before. I gotta say, his voice doesn't match his looks. If I didn't know who it was, I would have sworn I was listening to some middle-aged southern white dude on the PGA tour.

 

[fatness]

Dockery signed

This is a good thing.

 

[dgreen]

CAP HELL!!!

 

[TankRizzo]

Haynesworth is supposed to be on ESPN980 shortly.

Link to listen

Will Andy ask him "Have you ever heard the story of Dana Stubblefield?"

Andy without Steve is SO annoying. WE GET IT...Stubblefield sucked. I don't need to be reminded every 5 minutes.

Czabe may be annoying, but he knows how to do GOOD radio. Andy knows how to do textbook radio and I just want to choke him. You don't HAVE to cover EVERY sport EVERY day. NFL is #1 priority in this town, that should dominate talk when something like today happens.

 

[TankRizzo]

Dockery signed

This is a good thing.

Excellent! I'm kind of most excited about this. At least we made ONE smart signing today. The other 2 are potential disasters, we know what we're getting with Dock.

 

[T Bell]

Dockery signed

This is a good thing.

Excellent! I'm kind of most excited about this. At least we made ONE smart signing today. The other 2 are potential disasters, we know what we're getting with Dock.

 

[buster c]

Dockery signed

This is a good thing.

Excellent! I'm kind of most excited about this. At least we made ONE smart signing today. The other 2 are potential disasters, we know what we're getting with Dock.

I like the signing. The OL should not include as starters 77 Thomas, Rabach or Jansen in 2009. Would be nice to grab the best centerman in the draft. I'm a big believer in controlling the point of attack, like 56 Hauss used to do. I think Kendall can still perform at the other guard spot. He's a gamer. Samuels is an all-timer. but the OL still needs more help.

 

[buster c]

I'm going to see what's going on over at Extremeskins. Wish me luck.

OK, so I read over at Extremeskins that apparently both Haynesworth and Hall had bigger offers from other teams, but chose the Redskins.

for the record, just told Larry Michael on Redskin Nation (me watching this on Friday night = ) that the Hall deal went down before midnight.

 

[savemejee]

If this is Cap Hell, I'd love to see Cap Heaven.

 

[fatness]

Haynesworth deal is really 4 years for $48 million

League sources told ESPN's Chris Mortensen that a $29 million "poison pill" in the fifth year of Haynesworth's contract effectively makes it a four-year deal worth $48 million. The Redskins would owe Haynesworth a lump sum of $29 million in salary and bonuses in 2013, the fifth year of the deal. It is unlikely the team will pay the full commitment of $100 million over seven years unless the contract is re-negotiated. Haynesworth will receive $41 million in guaranteed money.

 

[Foosball God]

CAP HELL!!!

How in the hell can they sign all these guys for ridiculous money?

 

[fatness]

Springs drew immediate interest from New England and New Orleans, according to league sources, and took the move in stride, texting a reporter during Haynesworth's press conference, "Can you ask Haynesworth to buy my house?"

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