****OFFICIAL 2009 Off Season Washington Redskins Thread**** (1 Viewer)

[buster c]

I don't think they'd have to pay a king's ransom to extend him. And if Campbell does have a good (and improved) year, he's going to command a lot more money as a FA. It's just dumb.

I would think that's exactly why Campbell wouldn't want to extend right now. I doubt it's just the team who wants to wait.

I don't think so. Reports are that Campbell is interested in extending and the team won't have it. And kind of like with head coaches, it's a good thing for everyone to see that you're committed to your starting QB long term. It's not all about money. NFL contracts aren't guaranteed, and Campbell could be in trouble if he's injured next year and is trying to hook on as a FA somewhere. I also think that he'd like to know that he has the team behind him. I wish it were different but more and more I'm expecting another frustrating season in 2009, resulting in Zorn's firing and the departure of Campbell and a bunch of other veteran players and a massive rebuilding project in 2010, all orchestrated by Vinny of course. Same ####, different year.

Bell, I think all your user name changes have robbed you of your sensibilities As I recall, last time the team was in this situation, the QB was Mark Rippien and all he did was go out and EARN his money with an MVP season and Super Bowl title. Campbell has done nothing to earn an extension and by my own observation, his play has regressed. To reward incompetence and underachievement would be a grave mistake. Besides, if he goes out an has the type of season expected of young QB's of his age and experience (not likely), the team can always franchise him.This is the NFL, not high school. It's a business and if your ego is so fragile you need to know that 'the team is behind you' then you simply don't have the intestinal fortitude to lead a championship caliber team. not that little danny and will ever be able to figure out how to do that...

 

[T Bell]

I don't think they'd have to pay a king's ransom to extend him. And if Campbell does have a good (and improved) year, he's going to command a lot more money as a FA. It's just dumb.

I would think that's exactly why Campbell wouldn't want to extend right now. I doubt it's just the team who wants to wait.

I don't think so. Reports are that Campbell is interested in extending and the team won't have it. And kind of like with head coaches, it's a good thing for everyone to see that you're committed to your starting QB long term. It's not all about money. NFL contracts aren't guaranteed, and Campbell could be in trouble if he's injured next year and is trying to hook on as a FA somewhere. I also think that he'd like to know that he has the team behind him. I wish it were different but more and more I'm expecting another frustrating season in 2009, resulting in Zorn's firing and the departure of Campbell and a bunch of other veteran players and a massive rebuilding project in 2010, all orchestrated by Vinny of course. Same ####, different year.

Bell, I think all your user name changes have robbed you of your sensibilities As I recall, last time the team was in this situation, the QB was Mark Rippien and all he did was go out and EARN his money with an MVP season and Super Bowl title. Campbell has done nothing to earn an extension and by my own observation, his play has regressed. To reward incompetence and underachievement would be a grave mistake. Besides, if he goes out an has the type of season expected of young QB's of his age and experience (not likely), the team can always franchise him.This is the NFL, not high school. It's a business and if your ego is so fragile you need to know that 'the team is behind you' then you simply don't have the intestinal fortitude to lead a championship caliber team. not that little danny and will ever be able to figure out how to do that...

I look around the league and I see the successful teams extending contracts for young players that they're building around. Nobody accuses them of lacking good sense. Our team doesn't do that and it's defined mediocrity for the last 10 years. Campbell isn't a star and has more work he needs to do to develop his game. We absolutely agree on that. To apply the words "incompetence and underachievement", and to suggest he "lacks intestinal fortitude" is complete garbage however. He's developing, maybe not as fast as you or I'd like, but the guy works hard and does everything he's asked to, and all with a horrible personnel plan building the offense and coaching and scheme changes around him. To me you reward that, especially when you're talking about the QB position which often requires years of experience before it's mastered anyway, and given that rewarding him now will likely save you money over the long haul as he continues to develop. God knows it's a better investment than handcuffing yourself for the next three years to a high-mileage RB whose favorite pastimes are pouting and avoiding practice. Why on earth would you risk Campbell going elsewhere in a year with nothing behind him but a soon-to-be-retired Collins and an utterly raw and unproven Brennan?

 

[southeastjerome]

I don't think they'd have to pay a king's ransom to extend him. And if Campbell does have a good (and improved) year, he's going to command a lot more money as a FA. It's just dumb.

I would think that's exactly why Campbell wouldn't want to extend right now. I doubt it's just the team who wants to wait.

I don't think so. Reports are that Campbell is interested in extending and the team won't have it. And kind of like with head coaches, it's a good thing for everyone to see that you're committed to your starting QB long term. It's not all about money. NFL contracts aren't guaranteed, and Campbell could be in trouble if he's injured next year and is trying to hook on as a FA somewhere. I also think that he'd like to know that he has the team behind him. I wish it were different but more and more I'm expecting another frustrating season in 2009, resulting in Zorn's firing and the departure of Campbell and a bunch of other veteran players and a massive rebuilding project in 2010, all orchestrated by Vinny of course. Same ####, different year.

Bell, I think all your user name changes have robbed you of your sensibilities As I recall, last time the team was in this situation, the QB was Mark Rippien and all he did was go out and EARN his money with an MVP season and Super Bowl title. Campbell has done nothing to earn an extension and by my own observation, his play has regressed. To reward incompetence and underachievement would be a grave mistake. Besides, if he goes out an has the type of season expected of young QB's of his age and experience (not likely), the team can always franchise him.This is the NFL, not high school. It's a business and if your ego is so fragile you need to know that 'the team is behind you' then you simply don't have the intestinal fortitude to lead a championship caliber team. not that little danny and :X will ever be able to figure out how to do that...

I look around the league and I see the successful teams extending contracts for young players that they're building around. Nobody accuses them of lacking good sense. Our team doesn't do that and it's defined mediocrity for the last 10 years. Campbell isn't a star and has more work he needs to do to develop his game. We absolutely agree on that. To apply the words "incompetence and underachievement", and to suggest he "lacks intestinal fortitude" is complete garbage however. He's developing, maybe not as fast as you or I'd like, but the guy works hard and does everything he's asked to, and all with a horrible personnel plan building the offense and coaching and scheme changes around him. To me you reward that, especially when you're talking about the QB position which often requires years of experience before it's mastered anyway, and given that rewarding him now will likely save you money over the long haul as he continues to develop. God knows it's a better investment than handcuffing yourself for the next three years to a high-mileage RB whose favorite pastimes are pouting and avoiding practice. Why on earth would you risk Campbell going elsewhere in a year with nothing behind him but a soon-to-be-retired Collins and an utterly raw and unproven Brennan?

As much as I wish I didn't feel this way, I agree with you. It makes no sense to me why we wouldn't look to extend him. Its not as if he's going to command franchise QB money. The best way it could work out is if Campbell goes out this year and has a great year. Of course that increases the Skins chances of winning a SB, but with holes on both lines, at LB and WR, does anyone really see that happening? We'd be stuck then with Campbell heading to free agency. We'd either lose him or pay him as a franchise QB with or without the tag. Worst case we extend him to a reasonable contract, he gets paid, the Skins have some stability going forward without having to totally break the bank. Campbell might never be a stud QB, but I think it's safe to say that he's capable. The same cannot be said for a lot of other QB's up there. And Campbell has great work ethic and high upside, why not extend him. Something tells me that Zorn might not be sold completely on Campbell and that this is part of the reason. You have to think that Zorn is at least in on the conversation. If he was sold on Campbell being his guy, don't you think he'd force Snyderetto's hand on this?

 

[buster c]

I don't think they'd have to pay a king's ransom to extend him. And if Campbell does have a good (and improved) year, he's going to command a lot more money as a FA. It's just dumb.

I would think that's exactly why Campbell wouldn't want to extend right now. I doubt it's just the team who wants to wait.

I don't think so. Reports are that Campbell is interested in extending and the team won't have it. And kind of like with head coaches, it's a good thing for everyone to see that you're committed to your starting QB long term. It's not all about money. NFL contracts aren't guaranteed, and Campbell could be in trouble if he's injured next year and is trying to hook on as a FA somewhere. I also think that he'd like to know that he has the team behind him. I wish it were different but more and more I'm expecting another frustrating season in 2009, resulting in Zorn's firing and the departure of Campbell and a bunch of other veteran players and a massive rebuilding project in 2010, all orchestrated by Vinny of course. Same ####, different year.

Bell, I think all your user name changes have robbed you of your sensibilities As I recall, last time the team was in this situation, the QB was Mark Rippien and all he did was go out and EARN his money with an MVP season and Super Bowl title. Campbell has done nothing to earn an extension and by my own observation, his play has regressed. To reward incompetence and underachievement would be a grave mistake. Besides, if he goes out an has the type of season expected of young QB's of his age and experience (not likely), the team can always franchise him.This is the NFL, not high school. It's a business and if your ego is so fragile you need to know that 'the team is behind you' then you simply don't have the intestinal fortitude to lead a championship caliber team. not that little danny and will ever be able to figure out how to do that...

I look around the league and I see the successful teams extending contracts for young players that they're building around. Nobody accuses them of lacking good sense. Our team doesn't do that and it's defined mediocrity for the last 10 years. Campbell isn't a star and has more work he needs to do to develop his game. We absolutely agree on that. To apply the words "incompetence and underachievement", and to suggest he "lacks intestinal fortitude" is complete garbage however. He's developing, maybe not as fast as you or I'd like, but the guy works hard and does everything he's asked to, and all with a horrible personnel plan building the offense and coaching and scheme changes around him. To me you reward that, especially when you're talking about the QB position which often requires years of experience before it's mastered anyway, and given that rewarding him now will likely save you money over the long haul as he continues to develop. God knows it's a better investment than handcuffing yourself for the next three years to a high-mileage RB whose favorite pastimes are pouting and avoiding practice. Why on earth would you risk Campbell going elsewhere in a year with nothing behind him but a soon-to-be-retired Collins and an utterly raw and unproven Brennan?

first of all, we're talking QB's, nothing else. (and heavens knows not Portis) so your point about locking up young players is a good one, but doesn't really apply to QB's who have statistically regressed over time. Look around at teams who cut ties rather than lock up QB busts:Tim Couch Akili SmithJoey HarringtonByron LeftwichPatrick RamseyDavid CarrAlex SmithJP LosmanKyle BollerVince YoungThis is off the top of my head, so take it for what it's worth :X All are 1st round busts from this decade who have been (or are soon to be) jettisoned. I see Campbell as 'not having it' and I sat here one year ago writing the same thing. And there really is no risk of him going elsewhere with the franchise tag that can be applied if he proves me wrong and plays like a top QB.I don't like the sound bites coming from the JC camp either, saying that he wants an extension now. Good Lord! Sounds like a guy who just wants to get paid. Go out there and earn it!

 

[T Bell]

I don't think they'd have to pay a king's ransom to extend him. And if Campbell does have a good (and improved) year, he's going to command a lot more money as a FA. It's just dumb.

I would think that's exactly why Campbell wouldn't want to extend right now. I doubt it's just the team who wants to wait.

I don't think so. Reports are that Campbell is interested in extending and the team won't have it. And kind of like with head coaches, it's a good thing for everyone to see that you're committed to your starting QB long term. It's not all about money. NFL contracts aren't guaranteed, and Campbell could be in trouble if he's injured next year and is trying to hook on as a FA somewhere. I also think that he'd like to know that he has the team behind him. I wish it were different but more and more I'm expecting another frustrating season in 2009, resulting in Zorn's firing and the departure of Campbell and a bunch of other veteran players and a massive rebuilding project in 2010, all orchestrated by Vinny of course. Same ####, different year.

Bell, I think all your user name changes have robbed you of your sensibilities As I recall, last time the team was in this situation, the QB was Mark Rippien and all he did was go out and EARN his money with an MVP season and Super Bowl title. Campbell has done nothing to earn an extension and by my own observation, his play has regressed. To reward incompetence and underachievement would be a grave mistake. Besides, if he goes out an has the type of season expected of young QB's of his age and experience (not likely), the team can always franchise him.This is the NFL, not high school. It's a business and if your ego is so fragile you need to know that 'the team is behind you' then you simply don't have the intestinal fortitude to lead a championship caliber team. not that little danny and will ever be able to figure out how to do that...

I look around the league and I see the successful teams extending contracts for young players that they're building around. Nobody accuses them of lacking good sense. Our team doesn't do that and it's defined mediocrity for the last 10 years. Campbell isn't a star and has more work he needs to do to develop his game. We absolutely agree on that. To apply the words "incompetence and underachievement", and to suggest he "lacks intestinal fortitude" is complete garbage however. He's developing, maybe not as fast as you or I'd like, but the guy works hard and does everything he's asked to, and all with a horrible personnel plan building the offense and coaching and scheme changes around him. To me you reward that, especially when you're talking about the QB position which often requires years of experience before it's mastered anyway, and given that rewarding him now will likely save you money over the long haul as he continues to develop. God knows it's a better investment than handcuffing yourself for the next three years to a high-mileage RB whose favorite pastimes are pouting and avoiding practice. Why on earth would you risk Campbell going elsewhere in a year with nothing behind him but a soon-to-be-retired Collins and an utterly raw and unproven Brennan?

first of all, we're talking QB's, nothing else. (and heavens knows not Portis) so your point about locking up young players is a good one, but doesn't really apply to QB's who have statistically regressed over time. Look around at teams who cut ties rather than lock up QB busts:Tim Couch Akili SmithJoey HarringtonByron LeftwichPatrick RamseyDavid CarrAlex SmithJP LosmanKyle BollerVince YoungThis is off the top of my head, so take it for what it's worth All are 1st round busts from this decade who have been (or are soon to be) jettisoned. I see Campbell as 'not having it' and I sat here one year ago writing the same thing. And there really is no risk of him going elsewhere with the franchise tag that can be applied if he proves me wrong and plays like a top QB.I don't like the sound bites coming from the JC camp either, saying that he wants an extension now. Good Lord! Sounds like a guy who just wants to get paid. Go out there and earn it!

I kind of figured you to be a "Campbell doesn't have it" guy. That's pretty much your ending point because of the simple wisdom that you don't extend contracts for guys who "don't have it". Even assuming you're right (and I don't think you are), Campbell would be a very capable backup and an early extension might allow you to keep him on in that role for an affordable price past this year. Most teams need a good backup to get through a season, so he might even have value that way. But back to the main point, off the top of my head I would say that Campbell's track record as a passer is better than any of those QB's you listed over the first three years as starters or the same number of starts. And Campbell has improved each year. I have no idea what Campbell's upside really is, but I'd also remind you that these very same sorts of debates were occurring five years ago in San Diego about Drew Brees who like Campbell was not exactly lighting the world on fire through the first few years of his career. Some QB's just take longer than others to have the proverbial light go on. I think the greater sin with Campbell would be letting him go too soon rather than holding onto him for too long. We know he doesn't suck out loud like, for example, Akili Smith did - the question is whether he can develop into an above-average starter. Only time can tell that, and failing to renew his contract limits that time arbitrarily.

 

[dgreen]

Even assuming you're right (and I don't think you are), Campbell would be a very capable backup and an early extension might allow you to keep him on in that role for an affordable price past this year. Most teams need a good backup to get through a season, so he might even have value that way.

But that's not how this league works. When a starter is demoted, they leave. They don't hang around on the same team. Jason Campbell will not be a backup here for more than a season. If he's demoted in the offseason, he will be moved or cut before the season starts. If he's benched during the season, he will finish out the season as the backup then demand a trade or release in the offseason. Signing him to an extension because he would be a good backup just won't work.

 

[DCThunder]

At the end of the Spurrier regime, "everybody" thought Patrick Ramsey had "it" and just needed a better OL or a better coach to bring it out of him. Gibbs comes back and takes one look at the film and trades for a soon to be cut Mark Brunnell and then steadfastly sticks by him for two seasons, even naming Ramsey the starter until he was "injured" in the season opener and never saw the field again. Then Gibbs falls in love with Campbell while scouting Carlos Rogers at Auburn. Next thing you know, Campbell is the heir apparent, and again "everyone" says he has "it" and just needs time or a better OL or a different scheme or a different coach.

But in Gibbs last season, I'd argue that they DON'T make the playoffs if Campbell doesn't get hurt. Collins lead them there. This season has been a continuation of the play of the Campbell before he got hurt last year, nothing special. If the Redskins are to get to the Super Bowl anytime soon, it won't be with a QB who's currently on the roster.

 

[buster c]

I don't think they'd have to pay a king's ransom to extend him. And if Campbell does have a good (and improved) year, he's going to command a lot more money as a FA. It's just dumb.

I would think that's exactly why Campbell wouldn't want to extend right now. I doubt it's just the team who wants to wait.

I don't think so. Reports are that Campbell is interested in extending and the team won't have it. And kind of like with head coaches, it's a good thing for everyone to see that you're committed to your starting QB long term. It's not all about money. NFL contracts aren't guaranteed, and Campbell could be in trouble if he's injured next year and is trying to hook on as a FA somewhere. I also think that he'd like to know that he has the team behind him.

I wish it were different but more and more I'm expecting another frustrating season in 2009, resulting in Zorn's firing and the departure of Campbell and a bunch of other veteran players and a massive rebuilding project in 2010, all orchestrated by Vinny of course. Same ####, different year.

Bell, I think all your user name changes have robbed you of your sensibilities As I recall, last time the team was in this situation, the QB was Mark Rippien and all he did was go out and EARN his money with an MVP season and Super Bowl title. Campbell has done nothing to earn an extension and by my own observation, his play has regressed.

To reward incompetence and underachievement would be a grave mistake. Besides, if he goes out an has the type of season expected of young QB's of his age and experience (not likely), the team can always franchise him.

This is the NFL, not high school. It's a business and if your ego is so fragile you need to know that 'the team is behind you' then you simply don't have the intestinal fortitude to lead a championship caliber team.

not that little danny and will ever be able to figure out how to do that...

I look around the league and I see the successful teams extending contracts for young players that they're building around. Nobody accuses them of lacking good sense. Our team doesn't do that and it's defined mediocrity for the last 10 years. Campbell isn't a star and has more work he needs to do to develop his game. We absolutely agree on that. To apply the words "incompetence and underachievement", and to suggest he "lacks intestinal fortitude" is complete garbage however. He's developing, maybe not as fast as you or I'd like, but the guy works hard and does everything he's asked to, and all with a horrible personnel plan building the offense and coaching and scheme changes around him.

To me you reward that, especially when you're talking about the QB position which often requires years of experience before it's mastered anyway, and given that rewarding him now will likely save you money over the long haul as he continues to develop. God knows it's a better investment than handcuffing yourself for the next three years to a high-mileage RB whose favorite pastimes are pouting and avoiding practice.

Why on earth would you risk Campbell going elsewhere in a year with nothing behind him but a soon-to-be-retired Collins and an utterly raw and unproven Brennan?

first of all, we're talking QB's, nothing else. (and heavens knows not Portis) so your point about locking up young players is a good one, but doesn't really apply to QB's who have statistically regressed over time. Look around at teams who cut ties rather than lock up QB busts:Tim Couch

Akili Smith

Joey Harrington

Byron Leftwich

Patrick Ramsey

David Carr

Alex Smith

JP Losman

Kyle Boller

Vince Young

This is off the top of my head, so take it for what it's worth

All are 1st round busts from this decade who have been (or are soon to be) jettisoned. I see Campbell as 'not having it' and I sat here one year ago writing the same thing.

And there really is no risk of him going elsewhere with the franchise tag that can be applied if he proves me wrong and plays like a top QB.

I don't like the sound bites coming from the JC camp either, saying that he wants an extension now. Good Lord! Sounds like a guy who just wants to get paid. Go out there and earn it!

I have no idea what Campbell's upside really is, but I'd also remind you that these very same sorts of debates were occurring five years ago in San Diego about Drew Brees who like Campbell was not exactly lighting the world on fire through the first few years of his career.

There is a huge difference between Brees and JC that you need to consider:In college, Brees was a legit Heisman candidate and probably 1st team all Big 10 at Purdue - one of the best passers in the nation - and dropped to the 2nd round due to concerns about his size.

In college, JC handed off the ball to Ronnie Brown and Caddy Williams, never giving any legit scout the impression he'd be a star at the next level...with his proto type NFL size

 

[T Bell]

I don't think they'd have to pay a king's ransom to extend him. And if Campbell does have a good (and improved) year, he's going to command a lot more money as a FA. It's just dumb.

I would think that's exactly why Campbell wouldn't want to extend right now. I doubt it's just the team who wants to wait.

I don't think so. Reports are that Campbell is interested in extending and the team won't have it. And kind of like with head coaches, it's a good thing for everyone to see that you're committed to your starting QB long term. It's not all about money. NFL contracts aren't guaranteed, and Campbell could be in trouble if he's injured next year and is trying to hook on as a FA somewhere. I also think that he'd like to know that he has the team behind him.

I wish it were different but more and more I'm expecting another frustrating season in 2009, resulting in Zorn's firing and the departure of Campbell and a bunch of other veteran players and a massive rebuilding project in 2010, all orchestrated by Vinny of course. Same ####, different year.

Bell, I think all your user name changes have robbed you of your sensibilities As I recall, last time the team was in this situation, the QB was Mark Rippien and all he did was go out and EARN his money with an MVP season and Super Bowl title. Campbell has done nothing to earn an extension and by my own observation, his play has regressed.

To reward incompetence and underachievement would be a grave mistake. Besides, if he goes out an has the type of season expected of young QB's of his age and experience (not likely), the team can always franchise him.

This is the NFL, not high school. It's a business and if your ego is so fragile you need to know that 'the team is behind you' then you simply don't have the intestinal fortitude to lead a championship caliber team.

not that little danny and will ever be able to figure out how to do that...

I look around the league and I see the successful teams extending contracts for young players that they're building around. Nobody accuses them of lacking good sense. Our team doesn't do that and it's defined mediocrity for the last 10 years. Campbell isn't a star and has more work he needs to do to develop his game. We absolutely agree on that. To apply the words "incompetence and underachievement", and to suggest he "lacks intestinal fortitude" is complete garbage however. He's developing, maybe not as fast as you or I'd like, but the guy works hard and does everything he's asked to, and all with a horrible personnel plan building the offense and coaching and scheme changes around him.

To me you reward that, especially when you're talking about the QB position which often requires years of experience before it's mastered anyway, and given that rewarding him now will likely save you money over the long haul as he continues to develop. God knows it's a better investment than handcuffing yourself for the next three years to a high-mileage RB whose favorite pastimes are pouting and avoiding practice.

Why on earth would you risk Campbell going elsewhere in a year with nothing behind him but a soon-to-be-retired Collins and an utterly raw and unproven Brennan?

first of all, we're talking QB's, nothing else. (and heavens knows not Portis) so your point about locking up young players is a good one, but doesn't really apply to QB's who have statistically regressed over time. Look around at teams who cut ties rather than lock up QB busts:Tim Couch

Akili Smith

Joey Harrington

Byron Leftwich

Patrick Ramsey

David Carr

Alex Smith

JP Losman

Kyle Boller

Vince Young

This is off the top of my head, so take it for what it's worth

All are 1st round busts from this decade who have been (or are soon to be) jettisoned. I see Campbell as 'not having it' and I sat here one year ago writing the same thing.

And there really is no risk of him going elsewhere with the franchise tag that can be applied if he proves me wrong and plays like a top QB.

I don't like the sound bites coming from the JC camp either, saying that he wants an extension now. Good Lord! Sounds like a guy who just wants to get paid. Go out there and earn it!

I have no idea what Campbell's upside really is, but I'd also remind you that these very same sorts of debates were occurring five years ago in San Diego about Drew Brees who like Campbell was not exactly lighting the world on fire through the first few years of his career.

There is a huge difference between Brees and JC that you need to consider:In college, Brees was a legit Heisman candidate and probably 1st team all Big 10 at Purdue - one of the best passers in the nation - and dropped to the 2nd round due to concerns about his size.

In college, JC handed off the ball to Ronnie Brown and Caddy Williams, never giving any legit scout the impression he'd be a star at the next level...with his proto type NFL size

Is the same thing true about Rich Gannon? How about Tony Romo?I'm not predicting Hall of Fame for Campbell, but the point here is that the NFL shelf life of QB's is longer there than in any other position, and the learning curve likewise is the longest. Yes, some guys excel right away, and others never get it, but the level of patience that we extend to NFL QB's should be correspondingly longer, and it frustrates me to no end that that always seems to be ignored.

 

[buster c]

I don't think they'd have to pay a king's ransom to extend him. And if Campbell does have a good (and improved) year, he's going to command a lot more money as a FA. It's just dumb.

I would think that's exactly why Campbell wouldn't want to extend right now. I doubt it's just the team who wants to wait.

I don't think so. Reports are that Campbell is interested in extending and the team won't have it. And kind of like with head coaches, it's a good thing for everyone to see that you're committed to your starting QB long term. It's not all about money. NFL contracts aren't guaranteed, and Campbell could be in trouble if he's injured next year and is trying to hook on as a FA somewhere. I also think that he'd like to know that he has the team behind him.

I wish it were different but more and more I'm expecting another frustrating season in 2009, resulting in Zorn's firing and the departure of Campbell and a bunch of other veteran players and a massive rebuilding project in 2010, all orchestrated by Vinny of course. Same ####, different year.

Bell, I think all your user name changes have robbed you of your sensibilities As I recall, last time the team was in this situation, the QB was Mark Rippien and all he did was go out and EARN his money with an MVP season and Super Bowl title. Campbell has done nothing to earn an extension and by my own observation, his play has regressed.

To reward incompetence and underachievement would be a grave mistake. Besides, if he goes out an has the type of season expected of young QB's of his age and experience (not likely), the team can always franchise him.

This is the NFL, not high school. It's a business and if your ego is so fragile you need to know that 'the team is behind you' then you simply don't have the intestinal fortitude to lead a championship caliber team.

not that little danny and will ever be able to figure out how to do that...

I look around the league and I see the successful teams extending contracts for young players that they're building around. Nobody accuses them of lacking good sense. Our team doesn't do that and it's defined mediocrity for the last 10 years. Campbell isn't a star and has more work he needs to do to develop his game. We absolutely agree on that. To apply the words "incompetence and underachievement", and to suggest he "lacks intestinal fortitude" is complete garbage however. He's developing, maybe not as fast as you or I'd like, but the guy works hard and does everything he's asked to, and all with a horrible personnel plan building the offense and coaching and scheme changes around him.

To me you reward that, especially when you're talking about the QB position which often requires years of experience before it's mastered anyway, and given that rewarding him now will likely save you money over the long haul as he continues to develop. God knows it's a better investment than handcuffing yourself for the next three years to a high-mileage RB whose favorite pastimes are pouting and avoiding practice.

Why on earth would you risk Campbell going elsewhere in a year with nothing behind him but a soon-to-be-retired Collins and an utterly raw and unproven Brennan?

first of all, we're talking QB's, nothing else. (and heavens knows not Portis) so your point about locking up young players is a good one, but doesn't really apply to QB's who have statistically regressed over time. Look around at teams who cut ties rather than lock up QB busts:Tim Couch

Akili Smith

Joey Harrington

Byron Leftwich

Patrick Ramsey

David Carr

Alex Smith

JP Losman

Kyle Boller

Vince Young

This is off the top of my head, so take it for what it's worth

All are 1st round busts from this decade who have been (or are soon to be) jettisoned. I see Campbell as 'not having it' and I sat here one year ago writing the same thing.

And there really is no risk of him going elsewhere with the franchise tag that can be applied if he proves me wrong and plays like a top QB.

I don't like the sound bites coming from the JC camp either, saying that he wants an extension now. Good Lord! Sounds like a guy who just wants to get paid. Go out there and earn it!

I have no idea what Campbell's upside really is, but I'd also remind you that these very same sorts of debates were occurring five years ago in San Diego about Drew Brees who like Campbell was not exactly lighting the world on fire through the first few years of his career.

There is a huge difference between Brees and JC that you need to consider:In college, Brees was a legit Heisman candidate and probably 1st team all Big 10 at Purdue - one of the best passers in the nation - and dropped to the 2nd round due to concerns about his size.

In college, JC handed off the ball to Ronnie Brown and Caddy Williams, never giving any legit scout the impression he'd be a star at the next level...with his proto type NFL size

Is the same thing true about Rich Gannon? How about Tony Romo?I'm not predicting Hall of Fame for Campbell, but the point here is that the NFL shelf life of QB's is longer there than in any other position, and the learning curve likewise is the longest. Yes, some guys excel right away, and others never get it, but the level of patience that we extend to NFL QB's should be correspondingly longer, and it frustrates me to no end that that always seems to be ignored.

what frustrates me is the time wasted trying to "make" an NFL QB. it becomes apparent sooner than later who has it and who does not. you can continue to mine for exceptions, or conclude as most have that JC is pretty stiff - indecisive and inaccurate. I recall watching Rich Gannon early on and liking him. he started 35 games for MN circa 90-92, starting for the forgettable Jerry Burns and throwing to a past-his-prime Anthony Carter. After Denny Green came aboard in '92 (with Chris Carter), and despite leading the team to an 8-4 record, he was suddenly and mysteriously replaced by Sean "the Package" Salisbury...in one of Green's earliest displays of ineptitude in coaching. He had taken MN over his 3 seasons there from 6-10, to 8-8, to 8-4. Released by Green, he started 4 games for our beloved Skins in a horrid 1993 season and posted better stats -for the most part- than Rippien. I really liked him. But when Norv came in and cut ties with more than one productive vet (Schlereth comes to mind, too), Gannon was released (Frieze/Shuler/Frerotte anyone?). A rotor cuff injury caused him to miss '94. Then he surfaced in the AFC West (KC/Oak) and fulfilled the potential I knew he had.

Romo never took a snap for 4 years, but Dallas must have seen something to keep him around as long as they did.

We've got no hope until the little one cans By then, Zorn will be remembered as a poor man's Steve Spurrier and JC will be bonding with the Patrick Ramsey's of this world. Our hope is that the little one empowers a Shottenheimer type and gets out of the way. Hey, he did it once, right? That's our hope.

 

[scoobygang]

A quick look a profootball reference shows that any progress that Campbell made this year was illusory. He managed to avoid throwing interceptions, which increased his QB rating, but the Skins still fell in almost exactly the middle of the pack in that stat. In stats like YPA and adjusted YPA? In TDs? In yards? The Redskins regressed compared to 2007 in all those areas, at least in relation to the rest of the league.

This was the highest scoring league year since the mid 60s. QBs had their highest QB ratings ever. And the Skins weren't better than average in any of those categories (and in most a good four to seven teams below average).

If the question is whether Jason Campbell could eventually become a good QB? Who knows? Stranger things have happened. But there isn't a particularly good reason to believe so, and certainly not a great reason to lock him up early. That is, unless he's willing to be paid commensurate to what he is. Which is about the 20th best QB in the league (maybe he can argue he's in the high teens). If he's willing to accept that type of contract, by all means lock him up. But I somehow doubt it. I imagine with the market being what it is that any starting QB redoing a contract in any one year is going to look for top 10 money at the position. That would be a phenomenally stupid thing to give him.

Particularly since there's very little evidence that the team around Jason is going to get better soon. It's getting older faster than it's getting better.

I should also point out that the strategy of locking up your own players isn't that much more successful than the strategy of acquiring outside free agents. Teams like Baltimore, New England, Philly, etc. often let free agents go. They almost never end up "winning" in the formula that compares free agents lost with those signed. And in that formula, losing is better than winning. That's how you get compensatory picks. That's how teams stockpile cheap, replacement talent and get younger.

Right now, Jason Campbell might be a pretty valuable asset. Good enough to start every game for the Skins in 2010. And bad enough to let walk after that. That's a recipe for a late 3rd round pick. I don't think we could get that for Jason right now.

 

[Rockchild]

A quick look a profootball reference shows that any progress that Campbell made this year was illusory. He managed to avoid throwing interceptions, which increased his QB rating, but the Skins still fell in almost exactly the middle of the pack in that stat. In stats like YPA and adjusted YPA? In TDs? In yards? The Redskins regressed compared to 2007 in all those areas, at least in relation to the rest of the league.

This was the highest scoring league year since the mid 60s. QBs had their highest QB ratings ever. And the Skins weren't better than average in any of those categories (and in most a good four to seven teams below average).

If the question is whether Jason Campbell could eventually become a good QB? Who knows? Stranger things have happened. But there isn't a particularly good reason to believe so, and certainly not a great reason to lock him up early. That is, unless he's willing to be paid commensurate to what he is. Which is about the 20th best QB in the league (maybe he can argue he's in the high teens). If he's willing to accept that type of contract, by all means lock him up. But I somehow doubt it. I imagine with the market being what it is that any starting QB redoing a contract in any one year is going to look for top 10 money at the position. That would be a phenomenally stupid thing to give him.

Particularly since there's very little evidence that the team around Jason is going to get better soon. It's getting older faster than it's getting better.

I should also point out that the strategy of locking up your own players isn't that much more successful than the strategy of acquiring outside free agents. Teams like Baltimore, New England, Philly, etc. often let free agents go. They almost never end up "winning" in the formula that compares free agents lost with those signed. And in that formula, losing is better than winning. That's how you get compensatory picks. That's how teams stockpile cheap, replacement talent and get younger.

Right now, Jason Campbell might be a pretty valuable asset. Good enough to start every game for the Skins in 2010. And bad enough to let walk after that. That's a recipe for a late 3rd round pick. I don't think we could get that for Jason right now.

I think that's the way to win in the NFL now. Almost a quantity over quality approach. The draft can be a crapshoot so try and hit the talent jackpot,so to speak, with more picks especially in the mid rounds. And you can't overpay for mediocre talent or potential.

 

[Marvelous]

A quick look a profootball reference shows that any progress that Campbell made this year was illusory. He managed to avoid throwing interceptions, which increased his QB rating, but the Skins still fell in almost exactly the middle of the pack in that stat. In stats like YPA and adjusted YPA? In TDs? In yards? The Redskins regressed compared to 2007 in all those areas, at least in relation to the rest of the league.

This was the highest scoring league year since the mid 60s. QBs had their highest QB ratings ever. And the Skins weren't better than average in any of those categories (and in most a good four to seven teams below average).

If the question is whether Jason Campbell could eventually become a good QB? Who knows? Stranger things have happened. But there isn't a particularly good reason to believe so, and certainly not a great reason to lock him up early. That is, unless he's willing to be paid commensurate to what he is. Which is about the 20th best QB in the league (maybe he can argue he's in the high teens). If he's willing to accept that type of contract, by all means lock him up. But I somehow doubt it. I imagine with the market being what it is that any starting QB redoing a contract in any one year is going to look for top 10 money at the position. That would be a phenomenally stupid thing to give him.

Particularly since there's very little evidence that the team around Jason is going to get better soon. It's getting older faster than it's getting better.

I should also point out that the strategy of locking up your own players isn't that much more successful than the strategy of acquiring outside free agents. Teams like Baltimore, New England, Philly, etc. often let free agents go. They almost never end up "winning" in the formula that compares free agents lost with those signed. And in that formula, losing is better than winning. That's how you get compensatory picks. That's how teams stockpile cheap, replacement talent and get younger.

Right now, Jason Campbell might be a pretty valuable asset. Good enough to start every game for the Skins in 2010. And bad enough to let walk after that. That's a recipe for a late 3rd round pick. I don't think we could get that for Jason right now.

In general you are right. I just wanted to point out that compensatory picks depend on the contract signed by the free agent you lost. The 3rd round picks are reserved for the teams who lost players who signed the mega deals, like Derrick Dockery did. If Cambell is a lower end starter, he may be getting a contract more in line with a 4th or 5th round comp. pick.

 

[Marvelous]

A quick look a profootball reference shows that any progress that Campbell made this year was illusory. He managed to avoid throwing interceptions, which increased his QB rating, but the Skins still fell in almost exactly the middle of the pack in that stat. In stats like YPA and adjusted YPA? In TDs? In yards? The Redskins regressed compared to 2007 in all those areas, at least in relation to the rest of the league.

This was the highest scoring league year since the mid 60s. QBs had their highest QB ratings ever. And the Skins weren't better than average in any of those categories (and in most a good four to seven teams below average).

If the question is whether Jason Campbell could eventually become a good QB? Who knows? Stranger things have happened. But there isn't a particularly good reason to believe so, and certainly not a great reason to lock him up early. That is, unless he's willing to be paid commensurate to what he is. Which is about the 20th best QB in the league (maybe he can argue he's in the high teens). If he's willing to accept that type of contract, by all means lock him up. But I somehow doubt it. I imagine with the market being what it is that any starting QB redoing a contract in any one year is going to look for top 10 money at the position. That would be a phenomenally stupid thing to give him.

Particularly since there's very little evidence that the team around Jason is going to get better soon. It's getting older faster than it's getting better.

I should also point out that the strategy of locking up your own players isn't that much more successful than the strategy of acquiring outside free agents. Teams like Baltimore, New England, Philly, etc. often let free agents go. They almost never end up "winning" in the formula that compares free agents lost with those signed. And in that formula, losing is better than winning. That's how you get compensatory picks. That's how teams stockpile cheap, replacement talent and get younger.

Right now, Jason Campbell might be a pretty valuable asset. Good enough to start every game for the Skins in 2010. And bad enough to let walk after that. That's a recipe for a late 3rd round pick. I don't think we could get that for Jason right now.

I think that's the way to win in the NFL now. Almost a quantity over quality approach. The draft can be a crapshoot so try and hit the talent jackpot,so to speak, with more picks especially in the mid rounds. And you can't overpay for mediocre talent or potential.

The draft is a crap shoot. Yet some GMs consistently come out of it better than others. In 2008, the Redskins had all their picks. They traded down like they wanted to. If all their picks end up as busts (except Horton, who appears to be the exeception here for the Redskins), it hurts the fanchise tremedously.

The 2009 draft class is already hampered by the Jason Taylor and Erasmus James trades.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Just wanted to point out that we were a success in the 80's & early 90's because of our drafting and because of the players we picked up. Our team was always deep on talent and could withstand injuries. Our drafting started to be impacted the year we drafted Desmond Howard. Since then, we've probably been one of the lowest % of successful drafting teams in quality players.

 

[fatness]

For a team with so many serious underlying problems of age, lack of depth, and lack of talent on both offensive and defensive lines, focusing on replacing Jason Campbell is a pretty ludicrous distraction. Focusing on skill position players is what the front office does wrong year after year. Don't be a Vinnie.

Fix the lines.

The suspension is rusted and breaking. A new hood ornament won't fix that. Fix the lines.

 

[dgreen]

Don't be a Vinnie.

 

[buster c]

For a team with so many serious underlying problems of age, lack of depth, and lack of talent on both offensive and defensive lines, focusing on replacing Jason Campbell is a pretty ludicrous distraction. Focusing on skill position players is what the front office does wrong year after year. Don't be a Vinnie. Fix the lines. The suspension is rusted and breaking. A new hood ornament won't fix that. Fix the lines.

100% accurate.My "focus" is not replacing JC in 2009. Just don't give him a $50m/5 year deal, or whatever (I'm not sure I've even seen proposed numbers floating around).Improve the OL and see what he does. Have him play this year for a new deal. If, as I suspect, he regresses further, then go in another direction.

 

[T Bell]

For a team with so many serious underlying problems of age, lack of depth, and lack of talent on both offensive and defensive lines, focusing on replacing Jason Campbell is a pretty ludicrous distraction. Focusing on skill position players is what the front office does wrong year after year. Don't be a Vinnie.

Fix the lines.

The suspension is rusted and breaking. A new hood ornament won't fix that. Fix the lines.

100% accurate.My "focus" is not replacing JC in 2009. Just don't give him a $50m/5 year deal, or whatever (I'm not sure I've even seen proposed numbers floating around).

Improve the OL and see what he does. Have him play this year for a new deal. If, as I suspect, he regresses further, then go in another direction.

I've never once advocated forking over huge $$ to extend him. In fact, extending him now virtually ensures a modest contract for a starting QB. If he has the proverbial breakthrough year next year, that won't be the case. I'm with fatness - we simply have bigger fish to fry right now such that deciding to once again jettison our current starting QB is folly.

 

[Bankerguy]

I don't get the JC hate from you guys. I will agreed that he is NOT an elite talent nor deserving of a huge pay day....BUT....

How many coaches has he had in his short career?

How many different offenses and terminology has he gone through?

What are the reasons he has not had the success you want to see?

How bad has your pass protection been? Be honest, they looked prety bad to me. Any 5 or 7 step drops opposing D's were teeing off on him. What was he suppossed to do?

I thought he did what was asked of him. This seems like a Zorn or coaching problem, not a Cambell problem.

 

[buster c]

Mel Kaufman dies

this is very sad to see. a true Redskin and a champion.

my first recollection of Mel was 'WTF is this rookie doing wearing Chris Hanburger's jersey number ?"

while he may not have had the career of the great 55, he did the number proud.

RIP

 

[T Bell]

Mel Kaufman dies

this is very sad to see. a true Redskin and a champion.

my first recollection of Mel was 'WTF is this rookie doing wearing Chris Hanburger's jersey number ?"

while he may not have had the career of the great 55, he did the number proud.

RIP

I remember watching him as a young Redskins fan. Way too young.

 

[Rockchild]

Mel Kaufman dies

this is very sad to see. a true Redskin and a champion.

my first recollection of Mel was 'WTF is this rookie doing wearing Chris Hanburger's jersey number ?"

while he may not have had the career of the great 55, he did the number proud.

RIP

I remember watching him as a young Redskins fan. Way too young.

That is way too young. Unfortunately, he's not the only one dying too young. The average NFL player has a lifespan 20 years less than the general population. The fifth estate on CBC did a good piece on this.http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/2008-2009/head_games/video.html

 

[fatness]

Mel Kaufman dies

He was 50. That's way too young to be dying. Sorry to hear this.

 

[dgreen]

It's amazing what Super Bowls do. Mel Kaufman was a nice LB, but nothing special. He simply entered the league, did his job, contributed to a championship organization, then retired. He's one of those players we remember because of what he was part of. All of us can name him along with Monte Coleman, Rich Milot, and Neal Olkewicz. Being a regular player on great teams leaves a mark.

When I saw that he died, I thought, "Man, that sucks." But, what if it was Marvcus Patton instead? Pretty sure my reaction would be, "Huh, that's interesting. Where are the chips?" Even if it was Andre Collins who was on a SB team, I'm not sure I would have considered it. Probably because I was older at that time. Players that are part of a winning team during your childhood hold a special place.

I could probably easily rattle off 50+ Redskins and their jersey numbers from Gibbs 1.0. And, Kaufman was one of those players.

 

[Bizkiteer]

It's amazing what Super Bowls do. Mel Kaufman was a nice LB, but nothing special. He simply entered the league, did his job, contributed to a championship organization, then retired. He's one of those players we remember because of what he was part of. All of us can name him along with Monte Coleman, Rich Milot, and Neal Olkewicz. Being a regular player on great teams leaves a mark.When I saw that he died, I thought, "Man, that sucks." But, what if it was Marvcus Patton instead? Pretty sure my reaction would be, "Huh, that's interesting. Where are the chips?" Even if it was Andre Collins who was on a SB team, I'm not sure I would have considered it. Probably because I was older at that time. Players that are part of a winning team during your childhood hold a special place.I could probably easily rattle off 50+ Redskins and their jersey numbers from Gibbs 1.0. And, Kaufman was one of those players.

Honest and in many ways very true. Especially when it brings up the memories of sitting and watching with your father and or family.

 

[Marvelous]

I don't get the JC hate from you guys. I will agreed that he is NOT an elite talent nor deserving of a huge pay day....BUT....How many coaches has he had in his short career?How many different offenses and terminology has he gone through?What are the reasons he has not had the success you want to see?How bad has your pass protection been? Be honest, they looked prety bad to me. Any 5 or 7 step drops opposing D's were teeing off on him. What was he suppossed to do?I thought he did what was asked of him. This seems like a Zorn or coaching problem, not a Cambell problem.

I thought in the first half of the season, Jason Campbell looked pretty good. And he obviously learned a lot to get his interceptions down so low. I am certainly not ready to give up on his yet. If he can be signed to a modest extention, the Redskins should do it. The key is to not fork over too much money up front. I certainly think they have seen enough that they can commit to him as the starter for the next two years.

 

[Ghost of Bill Walsh]

Just curious. Any of you 'Skins fan think WR Devin Thomas can overtake Antwan Randle El and be their #2WR in 2009. What kinda numbers is he capable of putting up with Campbell as QB. We know Moss is the first option and Cooley could catch a ton. I believeThomas has the talent to be a #2 just wondered if any of you guys think he makes a big leap this year in production.They surely need to get more production outta their WR corps to help Portis stay healthy and not overload him.

 

[buster c]

Just curious. Any of you 'Skins fan think WR Devin Thomas can overtake Antwan Randle El and be their #2WR in 2009. What kinda numbers is he capable of putting up with Campbell as QB. We know Moss is the first option and Cooley could catch a ton. I believeThomas has the talent to be a #2 just wondered if any of you guys think he makes a big leap this year in production.They surely need to get more production outta their WR corps to help Portis stay healthy and not overload him.

color me "skeptical" at best. his body of work as a collegian consisted of a couple of deep balls for TD's against Northwestern, so I never understood how he became so highly regarded. Maybe it's his height. Apparently, he is a slow learner too. He may become the next Chad Johnson, but from what I've seen, he's more likely to become a poor-man's Michael Westbrook.

 

[T Bell]

Just curious. Any of you 'Skins fan think WR Devin Thomas can overtake Antwan Randle El and be their #2WR in 2009. What kinda numbers is he capable of putting up with Campbell as QB. We know Moss is the first option and Cooley could catch a ton. I believeThomas has the talent to be a #2 just wondered if any of you guys think he makes a big leap this year in production.They surely need to get more production outta their WR corps to help Portis stay healthy and not overload him.

Thomas has some nice physical gifts, but he's a JuCo transfer with 1 year of Div. 1 experience who has a LOT to learn about pro offenses and defenses and route running. On top of that, he's reportedly been spending more time "living the life" than he has been studying, drawing some ire from the coaching staff. I'd be surprised if he breaks out this year. OTOH Malcolm Kelly, if he can keep that knee healthy, looks far more polished and likewise has some nice talent. I'd say Kelly has a better chance than Thomas in 2009 to make an impact, but the truth is that I'm not counting on either guy to be much of a factor as a fantasy player.

 

[Marvelous]

Just curious. Any of you 'Skins fan think WR Devin Thomas can overtake Antwan Randle El and be their #2WR in 2009. What kinda numbers is he capable of putting up with Campbell as QB. We know Moss is the first option and Cooley could catch a ton. I believeThomas has the talent to be a #2 just wondered if any of you guys think he makes a big leap this year in production.They surely need to get more production outta their WR corps to help Portis stay healthy and not overload him.

Thomas has some nice physical gifts, but he's a JuCo transfer with 1 year of Div. 1 experience who has a LOT to learn about pro offenses and defenses and route running. On top of that, he's reportedly been spending more time "living the life" than he has been studying, drawing some ire from the coaching staff. I'd be surprised if he breaks out this year. OTOH Malcolm Kelly, if he can keep that knee healthy, looks far more polished and likewise has some nice talent. I'd say Kelly has a better chance than Thomas in 2009 to make an impact, but the truth is that I'm not counting on either guy to be much of a factor as a fantasy player.

As the others have said, Thomas appears to be a very slow learner. He is probably still considered a long term project at this point. But if he can't pick it up in another two years, the Redskins will probably declare him a bust and cut him. I think the upside for Thomas next year is they work him in for some selected plays as the #4 wr.

 

[dgreen]

It sure would be nice to have someone else at WR2 rather than ARE. But, for the love of all that's good, whatever happens at WR, don't let ARE return another punt.

 

[fatness]

I think the upside for Thomas next year is they work him in for some selected plays as the #4 wr.

While I agree with the "not sure if he can grasp it all until I see him grasp it all" opinion about Thomas and NFL play, he's already past the #4 WR position. For the last several games of last year he was the #3 WR. They kept him on the field a good bit, despite numerous misplays on his part. There's obviously some belief in his ability among the coaching staff.I think Kelly would be a better WR, but I get the feeling his knees are shot, and we'll get 4-6 games a year out of him the next couple years until they reach an injury settlement.

 

[Marvelous]

I think the upside for Thomas next year is they work him in for some selected plays as the #4 wr.

While I agree with the "not sure if he can grasp it all until I see him grasp it all" opinion about Thomas and NFL play, he's already past the #4 WR position. For the last several games of last year he was the #3 WR. They kept him on the field a good bit, despite numerous misplays on his part. There's obviously some belief in his ability among the coaching staff.I think Kelly would be a better WR, but I get the feeling his knees are shot, and we'll get 4-6 games a year out of him the next couple years until they reach an injury settlement.

That does not mean Thomas is a good #3 wr. I just means is better or more immediate upside than James Thrash and Malcolm Kelly, and less than Randle El. It may be worthwhile for the Redskins to sign someone (Bobby Engram anyone) to be their #3 wr next year.

 

[DCThunder]

I think the upside for Thomas next year is they work him in for some selected plays as the #4 wr.

While I agree with the "not sure if he can grasp it all until I see him grasp it all" opinion about Thomas and NFL play, he's already past the #4 WR position. For the last several games of last year he was the #3 WR. They kept him on the field a good bit, despite numerous misplays on his part. There's obviously some belief in his ability among the coaching staff.I think Kelly would be a better WR, but I get the feeling his knees are shot, and we'll get 4-6 games a year out of him the next couple years until they reach an injury settlement.

That does not mean Thomas is a good #3 wr. I just means is better or more immediate upside than James Thrash and Malcolm Kelly, and less than Randle El. It may be worthwhile for the Redskins to sign someone (Bobby Engram anyone) to be their #3 wr next year.

Hey, our assistant GM, Clinton Portis, has already persuaded Boldin to come here next season, so all our worries at WR are solved. :rollseyes:

 

[buster c]

any WR signings other than those of the UFA variety should be an indictment of and his 2008 NFL draft

 

[Marvelous]

any WR signings other than those of the UFA variety should be an indictment of and his 2008 NFL draft

Maybe. And I have a feeling it may prevent Vinny from signing any FA wrs, even if signing one is in the best interest of the team.

 

[Swing 51]

Plackemeier Released/New Contracts For Carter and Randle ElThe Redskins released punter Ryan Plackemeier today, according to a source. Plackemeier, who took over as punter when draft pick Durant Brooks sputtered, has one year remaining on his deal. Like Brooks, he placed near the bottom of the NFL in most punting categories.The Redskins signed inexperienced punter Zac Atterberry earlier this offseason. Atterberry lost out to Plackemeier in a punting competition at Redskins Park when Brooks was released. The team has not been steady or settled at the punting position for years, save for Tom Tupa's excellent performance in 2004. Atterberry spent the 2008 offseason with Chicago, his only pro experience.Also, DE Andre Carter and WR Randle El have new deals with the team, according to league sources, a move done to lower their 2009 cap costs (the Redskins entered this month between $5-$7 million over the projected salary cap). Both players had deals set to expire after 2012; their new contracts run through 2015 (not that it's likely either would still be here then).Carter's new deal saves the team about $2.4 million in 2009, and lowers his case salary from $2 million to $1.5 million. Randle El's new deal saves $2 million in cap space for next season, and lowers his base salary from $4 million to $1.5 million according to sources.The Redskins must comply with the cap by the start of the league year, Feb. 27, when the free agency period opens. They are likely to release at least one high priced veteran by then, with LB Marcus Washington and DE Jason Taylor prime candidates.By Jason La Canfora | February 12, 2009; 4:10 PM ET

 

[fatness]

More salary details about Carter and Randle El.

 

[Couch Potato]

Redskins claimed RB Anthony Alridge today, cut loose by Denver yesterday. Anything to see here Redskins fans? I know that last preseason, before getting hurt and landing on IR, there was a bit of fantasy buzz about him and he was being added in some of my fantasy leagues. Small guy, 5'9" 170, a scat back type.

LINK

One of the players the Broncos released Wednesday – running back Anthony Alridge – was claimed off waivers Thursday by both Minnesota and Washington and was awarded to the Redskins because they finished with a worse record this past season.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Redskins claimed RB Anthony Alridge today, cut loose by Denver yesterday. Anything to see here Redskins fans? I know that last preseason, before getting hurt and landing on IR, there was a bit of fantasy buzz about him and he was being added in some of my fantasy leagues. Small guy, 5'9" 170, a scat back type.

LINK

One of the players the Broncos released Wednesday – running back Anthony Alridge – was claimed off waivers Thursday by both Minnesota and Washington and was awarded to the Redskins because they finished with a worse record this past season.

No, the 'Skins are desperate for a change of pace type RB. I would imagine that Alridge is just a flyer for camp and expect the 'Skins to draft or get someone they really invision for that role.

 

[dgreen]

Redskins claimed RB Anthony Alridge today, cut loose by Denver yesterday. Anything to see here Redskins fans? I know that last preseason, before getting hurt and landing on IR, there was a bit of fantasy buzz about him and he was being added in some of my fantasy leagues. Small guy, 5'9" 170, a scat back type.

LINK

One of the players the Broncos released Wednesday – running back Anthony Alridge – was claimed off waivers Thursday by both Minnesota and Washington and was awarded to the Redskins because they finished with a worse record this past season.

I'd guess his fantasy buzz was 100% because he was on Denver.

 

[fatness]

Ethan Albright has re-signed, another one-year vet minimum contract. He's never blown a long snap yet. Interesting bit from the article:

Albright, who hasn't missed a game since 1995 when he was with the Miami Dolphins, will be snapping to his ninth Redskins punter this fall. So far that list includes Bryan Barker, Craig Jarrett, Tom Tupa, Andy Groom, Derrick Frost, Durant Brooks and Plackemeier. Only Barker and Frost lasted more than a season.

Albright also has snapped to the holders for eight kickers: Brett Conway, James Tuthill, Jose Cortez, John Hall, Ola Kimrin, Jeff Chandler, Nick Novak and incumbent Shaun Suisham.

 

[fatness]

The year: 1995

The movie: "Kindergarten Ninja"

The actor:



International Movie Database summary

The Reviews

 

[Marvelous]

Ethan Albright has re-signed, another one-year vet minimum contract. He's never blown a long snap yet. Interesting bit from the article:

Albright, who hasn't missed a game since 1995 when he was with the Miami Dolphins, will be snapping to his ninth Redskins punter this fall. So far that list includes Bryan Barker, Craig Jarrett, Tom Tupa, Andy Groom, Derrick Frost, Durant Brooks and Plackemeier. Only Barker and Frost lasted more than a season.

Albright also has snapped to the holders for eight kickers: Brett Conway, James Tuthill, Jose Cortez, John Hall, Ola Kimrin, Jeff Chandler, Nick Novak and incumbent Shaun Suisham.

Blurb from PFT:

Said Redskins LS Ethan Albright, “I’m pretty excited to be back. This is the job I wanted. I enjoy playing for [special teams coach Danny Smith]. I’m glad the Redskins liked what they saw on film enough to bring me back. I’m looking forward to competing with [former Tennessee snapper Rob Cain, who Washington signed on December 31].”

With Albright signed, they really don't need competition at long snapper do they? I have heard Vinny talk about how having competition at both place kicker and punter takes up a lot of roster spots in preseason. I can't see them have a 2nd long snapper in camp.

 

[fatness]

I don't think they need competition, no, but they need a backup if Albright gets hurt. Losing a long snapper can decimate a game.

 

[nittanylion]

Just throwing this out there as 'Chat Fodder'...

With his release imminent, I'm going to predict that the Burgundy and Gold are going to bring in Jeff Garcia for a lil chat, the context of which I have no idea. I just feel it coming.

I'm not necessarily looking forward to this, as I'm in the Jason Campbell camp, but he certainly qualifies in the 'WCO Mentor Role' for Campbell, and at this stage of their careers probably brings a little more to the table than Todd Collins, were he to be pressed into service. Garcia remains a 'playmaker-style' QB, who still has some ability to create, and knows how to use his feet, and make things happen, and has to be considered a WCO Guru of sorts.

There certainly have to be questions regarding ANY 39-year-old QB. It certainly would have to be considered a double-edged sword, in the sense that it's unreasonable to think that Garcia wouldn't strive to be the starter, and it might be detrimental to Team Chemistry. Garcia isn't likely to be someone willing to come in to accept a backup role. Whether that's good or bad, I don't know, but I'd lean towards bad.

For those of you in the Colt Brennan Camp (and I'm pretty much President of those who are NOT), he'd almost be the ideal guy for Brennan to learn from, considering his roots, playing style and intensity.

IF, and it's a HUGE IF, as are most things Redskins-related, the Redskins were to 'do the right thing' and build from the inside out by addressing both lines with EXTREME intensity, I'd look forward to Campbell moving forward in '09. The kid needs protection, targets, and a Defense that can force a stop or two consistently. I'm not confident they can generate all of that in one Offseason, given the folks who comprise the head of this stinking fish.

Given the Snyder/Cerrato albatross hanging around the Franchise's neck, I'm actually looking forward to the following scenario: Campbell is not offered an extension, and has a good enough Season to command attention on the 2010 Free Agent Market, making his re-signing with the Team yet another in a long list of issues. Not looking forward to it in terms of happy it's going to happen, but rather, it's what I've come to expect, and no one can deny that I don't have reason to feel that way.

It's tough to be optimistic these days.

 

[Ripleys]

Nothing this franchise does surprises me anymore. I'll always be a fan, but its getting harder and harder to get excited about the next season. I'm learning to accept it will just be more of the same.

 

[T Bell]

Nothing this franchise does surprises me anymore. I'll always be a fan, but its getting harder and harder to get excited about the next season. I'm learning to accept it will just be more of the same.

 

[Marvelous]

Just throwing this out there as 'Chat Fodder'...With his release imminent, I'm going to predict that the Burgundy and Gold are going to bring in Jeff Garcia for a lil chat, the context of which I have no idea. I just feel it coming.I'm not necessarily looking forward to this, as I'm in the Jason Campbell camp, but he certainly qualifies in the 'WCO Mentor Role' for Campbell, and at this stage of their careers probably brings a little more to the table than Todd Collins, were he to be pressed into service. Garcia remains a 'playmaker-style' QB, who still has some ability to create, and knows how to use his feet, and make things happen, and has to be considered a WCO Guru of sorts.There certainly have to be questions regarding ANY 39-year-old QB. It certainly would have to be considered a double-edged sword, in the sense that it's unreasonable to think that Garcia wouldn't strive to be the starter, and it might be detrimental to Team Chemistry. Garcia isn't likely to be someone willing to come in to accept a backup role. Whether that's good or bad, I don't know, but I'd lean towards bad.For those of you in the Colt Brennan Camp (and I'm pretty much President of those who are NOT), he'd almost be the ideal guy for Brennan to learn from, considering his roots, playing style and intensity.IF, and it's a HUGE IF, as are most things Redskins-related, the Redskins were to 'do the right thing' and build from the inside out by addressing both lines with EXTREME intensity, I'd look forward to Campbell moving forward in '09. The kid needs protection, targets, and a Defense that can force a stop or two consistently. I'm not confident they can generate all of that in one Offseason, given the folks who comprise the head of this stinking fish.Given the Snyder/Cerrato albatross hanging around the Franchise's neck, I'm actually looking forward to the following scenario: Campbell is not offered an extension, and has a good enough Season to command attention on the 2010 Free Agent Market, making his re-signing with the Team yet another in a long list of issues. Not looking forward to it in terms of happy it's going to happen, but rather, it's what I've come to expect, and no one can deny that I don't have reason to feel that way.It's tough to be optimistic these days.

I have very little confidence in Todd Collins, even as a backup. So Garcia would be an upgrade. I think Garcia is a upper level journeyman qb. If he is willing to be a backup, it could be a good signing. If it undermines Campbell, it will be bad.