Things can turn around quickly in the NFL. Look at Miami and Atlanta last year.Of course, it always seems like that is what happens to other teams. I think the bottom line is the Redskins need draft picks, undrafted free agents, and maybe a few low tier free agents to make an impact this year to have a big turn around. If Thomas, Kelley, Davis, and Reinhart make significant contributions, that would be a good start.Nothing this franchise does surprises me anymore. I'll always be a fan, but its getting harder and harder to get excited about the next season. I'm learning to accept it will just be more of the same.
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T Bell
Footballguy
The thing about teams like Miami and Atlanta is that they hadn't mortgaged their future to achieve a present mediocrity going into last year, and Atlanta had years of focusing upon the correct types of players in the draft while you knew with Parcells that Miami would from there on out likewise know how to rebuild. Yes, a snapshot of our team right now has us no worse off than those two teams a year ago, but this team wears its aging, mediocre talent like a weight around its neck and I have little confidence in its ability to shed that weight and swim any time soon. It's very frustrating. How many times do you go "double or nothing" and lose before you give up?Things can turn around quickly in the NFL. Look at Miami and Atlanta last year.Of course, it always seems like that is what happens to other teams. I think the bottom line is the Redskins need draft picks, undrafted free agents, and maybe a few low tier free agents to make an impact this year to have a big turn around. If Thomas, Kelley, Davis, and Reinhart make significant contributions, that would be a good start.Nothing this franchise does surprises me anymore. I'll always be a fan, but its getting harder and harder to get excited about the next season. I'm learning to accept it will just be more of the same.
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I agree with you whole heartedly. This week, a lot of veteran players have been released. Although not good in most employment situations, in pro sports with limited roster sizes, you need to keep bringing in and developing new talent and saying good bye to the veterans that have lost a step. The Redskins hold onto their veterans until it is obvious to everyone that they cannot perform anymore. And I have not seen anyone of signifcance cut from the Redskins yet. It would be alarming if Marcus Washington got another year with the team. Of course, the Redskins don't have young players ready to step in. They need young players to step up fast. And if they are not ready, we are in for some long seasons.T Bell said:The thing about teams like Miami and Atlanta is that they hadn't mortgaged their future to achieve a present mediocrity going into last year, and Atlanta had years of focusing upon the correct types of players in the draft while you knew with Parcells that Miami would from there on out likewise know how to rebuild. Yes, a snapshot of our team right now has us no worse off than those two teams a year ago, but this team wears its aging, mediocre talent like a weight around its neck and I have little confidence in its ability to shed that weight and swim any time soon. It's very frustrating. How many times do you go "double or nothing" and lose before you give up?Marvelous said:Things can turn around quickly in the NFL. Look at Miami and Atlanta last year.Of course, it always seems like that is what happens to other teams. I think the bottom line is the Redskins need draft picks, undrafted free agents, and maybe a few low tier free agents to make an impact this year to have a big turn around. If Thomas, Kelley, Davis, and Reinhart make significant contributions, that would be a good start.T Bell said:Nothing this franchise does surprises me anymore. I'll always be a fan, but its getting harder and harder to get excited about the next season. I'm learning to accept it will just be more of the same.
With the perpetual restructuring of contracts, the Redskins have so little roster flexibiltiy. The feel they have to keep players because they are too expensive to cut.
T Bell
Footballguy
Golston and Evans are indeed bargains. I'm not going to pile on Carter. He's an above average DE but he can't create sacks by himself. He's like Marco Coleman or Greg Ellis. If you have him opposite someone talented he'll put up numbers. If not, he's just another undersized speed-rushing DE. The problems with Carter aren't Carter, they come from the state of the DL as a whole.
In your opinion, what is the problem on the DL? The starters are Taylor, Golston, Griffin, and Carter. If it's not a talent issue, then we don't necessarily need to look at each player.I think they need a big playmaker, whihc will make the whole like look better and be more productive. If Taylor has a chance to be that person, I guess they should give him another year. I could also be a scheme issue.T Bell said:
T Bell
Footballguy
It's a talent issue. Griffin remains the most talented DL they have (when healthy of course - a pretty freakin' big caveat nowadays), and he no longer can be counted on for more than 20-30 snaps per game, and probably fewer if you want to keep him healthy. For five years he's been THE critical guy on the DL, the one who makes plays possible for everyone, and they signed him back then as a four-year vet and have since failed to put any significant draft resources into the line to augment anything. Everyone else is either a role player or an average guy. I don't think it's a scheme problem. Blache, who of course was the former DL coach under Williams, has been if anything a miracle worker given the lack of talent he's had at his disposal. As I've said repeatedly, they've not drafted a DL of any sort of note since Charles Mann. That's a quarter century and counting.
buster c
Footballguy
while I think Griff has fallen off (as we all do as we age and suffer ailments), it is a miracle what Blatche has done with his charges. The off-season priority for the DL is to resign #92 Evans. He's the type who will play a long time in the NFL. He's fresh, since he's never been a starter, and productive when he plays. And we've probably not seen his best yet, either. Go ahead and sound the gaydar if you must, but I've got a slight man-crush on him.T Bell said:
Bankerguy
Footballguy
Cooley, you are talented. You aint no Witten though.
Witten averaged 11.8/rec and had a long of 42 yards
Cooley averaged 10.2/rec and had a long of 28 yards
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Cooley: 'I'm better' than Witten
Redskins 360 (View Blog)
Washington Times
February 18 2009 1:53 PM BY David Elfin
I'm just back from Chris Cooley's scholarship announcement at Blair High School in Silver Spring. Asked by a member of the wildly enthusiastic senior class (one of whom will win a $25,000 scholarship thanks to the Redskins' standout) if he was better than Dallas' Jason Witten, his fellow NFC Pro Bowl tight end the past two years.
Cooley hesitated, smiled and said, "I think I'm better. ... He doesn't run after the catch very well."
In response to another question, Cooley said he didn't think the Redskins should trade inconsistent quarterback Jason Campbell, who's heading into his third full season as their starter.
Cooley said he had no advance warning that Rennie Simmons was going to retire when he decided to take his position coach to this month's Pro Bowl.
"I was glad to spend the time with him," Cooley said. "We played golf together. It was a good time."
Cooley, of course, is also excited that Simmons' replacement, Scott Wachenheim, coached at Utah State where the tight end played from 2000-03.
"It's pretty cool," Cooley said. "Anyone he mentions from Utah State, I know. I grew up there [in Logan, Utah]. I watched the games he coached. He seems like a great guy. He's super-ambitious. I think he'll be a hard worker and really be prepared for what we're going to do."
Other than the Pro Bowl and some vacation time in Hawaii and Las Vegas, Cooley said he has spent part of the offseason creating the paintings (shown here on his Web site) that will be among more than 20 of his works of art that will be auctioned in May. That auction will raise the $200,000 needed to provide the scholarships for a Blair student as well as a senior at each of seven other area high schools
Witten averaged 11.8/rec and had a long of 42 yards
Cooley averaged 10.2/rec and had a long of 28 yards
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Cooley: 'I'm better' than Witten
Redskins 360 (View Blog)
Washington Times
February 18 2009 1:53 PM BY David Elfin
I'm just back from Chris Cooley's scholarship announcement at Blair High School in Silver Spring. Asked by a member of the wildly enthusiastic senior class (one of whom will win a $25,000 scholarship thanks to the Redskins' standout) if he was better than Dallas' Jason Witten, his fellow NFC Pro Bowl tight end the past two years.
Cooley hesitated, smiled and said, "I think I'm better. ... He doesn't run after the catch very well."
In response to another question, Cooley said he didn't think the Redskins should trade inconsistent quarterback Jason Campbell, who's heading into his third full season as their starter.
Cooley said he had no advance warning that Rennie Simmons was going to retire when he decided to take his position coach to this month's Pro Bowl.
"I was glad to spend the time with him," Cooley said. "We played golf together. It was a good time."
Cooley, of course, is also excited that Simmons' replacement, Scott Wachenheim, coached at Utah State where the tight end played from 2000-03.
"It's pretty cool," Cooley said. "Anyone he mentions from Utah State, I know. I grew up there [in Logan, Utah]. I watched the games he coached. He seems like a great guy. He's super-ambitious. I think he'll be a hard worker and really be prepared for what we're going to do."
Other than the Pro Bowl and some vacation time in Hawaii and Las Vegas, Cooley said he has spent part of the offseason creating the paintings (shown here on his Web site) that will be among more than 20 of his works of art that will be auctioned in May. That auction will raise the $200,000 needed to provide the scholarships for a Blair student as well as a senior at each of seven other area high schools
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fatness
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I think Cornelius Griffin is done. A team can't keep paying multi-millions to a player for a combination of 100-150 snaps a year plus memories of how good he used to be. I like the guy, I wish he could do what he did before. But frankly if he walked on now, wasn't an established player, he'd have trouble making the team due to injuries and declining performance. Time to go.
Same with Marcus Washington.
At some point you can't keep holding guys based on past glory and hope, because it ties up too many dollars that prevent you from signing newer guys who may end up being able to fill the voids. And the voids are already there.
Remember the year Griffin and Salavea did so well? That is what the team needs --- 2 strong DT's who collapse the line on every play. Salavea is gone and Griffin can no longer do that. You can get by with average DE's if your DT's disrupt plays. But not the other way around.
Same with Marcus Washington.
At some point you can't keep holding guys based on past glory and hope, because it ties up too many dollars that prevent you from signing newer guys who may end up being able to fill the voids. And the voids are already there.
Remember the year Griffin and Salavea did so well? That is what the team needs --- 2 strong DT's who collapse the line on every play. Salavea is gone and Griffin can no longer do that. You can get by with average DE's if your DT's disrupt plays. But not the other way around.
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fatness
Footballguy
never mind. I just puked on my keyboard
T Bell
Footballguy
Cooley gets nowhere making claims like this, but in fairness to him I honestly don't see much difference between the two guys and in fact a good argument can be made that he's better than Witten. Cooley's never had a passing game to work in like Witten has had, particularly with guys with the capabilities around him that TO and Romo have. That's a huge advantage that has nothing to do with either guy's talents. That alone would explain the discrepancy in receiving numbers.Cooley is also the best TE in the NFL with the ball in his hands, and it's really not close. He runs like a FB in the open field, bounces off of hits and can make moves and even run away from a lot of tacklers. Witten is not as good as Cooley in this regard. Witten's hands and Cooley's hands are equivalent IMHO; ditto route-running. I've paid less attention to blocking by both, but both are considered good blockers and are again comparable.
T Bell
Footballguy
Griffin should be restricted to playing in passing situations, and likely not all passing downs either. 2nd and long and 3rd and medium-to-long. That's it. Monty is an excellent run-stopper, and Golston is young and can take the pounding better. I'd only add that unlike Marcus Washington whose legs look shot, Griff still can make some plays, but he just wears down fast and gets injured. That's why I'm saying that if they're going to keep him, they need to have him playing a VERY limited role.
T Bell
Footballguy
I don't necessarily disagree. I was commenting on talent and durability, irrespective of price.
dgreen
Footballguy
He also doesn't really hurt anything.He was asked a specific question by a kid and he answered it. I assume he answered it in sort of a joking manner, too, since that's the kind of guy he is and the article said he "hesitated" and "smiled" before giving his answer. It's not like he created an opportunity to slam Witten.To me, this is a non-story other than just being a fun little offseason tidbit. MAYBE if this happened two days before a game against Dallas, it would mean something.
nittanylion
Footballguy
Should be some absolutely GREAT listening to be had on 980 today. Kevin Sheehan interviewed The Vin-man via phone from the Combine yesterday, and The Vin-man once again absolutely embarrassed himself without even trying. He spent the first segment as a back-patting session a concerning last year's draft and the players he chose, and then waffled all over himself when questioned about the Salary Cap and Jason Taylor's future with the Team. No matter how bad a day I'm having, it's a guarantee I'm always going to get a laugh or two at Vinnie's expense. Pollan and Czaban absolutely excoriated Vinny on the afternoon show. Now, for my own local reasons I pretty much can't stand Andy Pollan, but for the life of me, I don't understand why some of you have issues with Czaban. Between Doc Walker, Czaban, Sally Jenkins and LaCanfora, you're getting the ugly, uncensored truth about what's going on with the Redskins. You may not like what you're hearing, but based on the folks I know within both the Management and Coaching Staff heirarchy, it's all valid. Outside of the Raiders, there's no organization in football that folks want to work for LESS than our Washington Redskins.
I hung out with some of my contacts within the organization last night. Doc Walker was fighting the flu, or he would have joined us, as well.
There was a lot of bemused head-shaking going on - does it surprise any of you that while the entire Athletic Training Staffs of the other 31 Teams are at the combine, the Redskins' own are not? So, not only are they not getting a chance to see and work with the rookie class invitees, they are missing out on valuable networking opportunities - one of the most beneficial sidelights of the combine are all the Training Staffs getting together and comparing notes about what approaches they are using, what's working and not working, new and innovative techniques in Strength and Conditioning, etc...and our guys are sitting home. Lovely.
For the record, in NFL circles, Jerry Gray is regarded as not only one of the best Secondary Coaches in the NFL, he's potentially got a very bright future as a Head Coach, and if the Redskins didn't put the ki-bosh on the first interview he was offered, apparently several other Teams would have brought him in for a chat. It's my understanding that when Blache steps down, if Gray is willing to stay with the Team, he'll be the next D-Coord / Asst Head Coach-Defense or some other such Title.
Thomas, Kelly, Davis, Rinehardt, Tryon, Moore, Jackson and Brennan - don't count on any of them making a noticeable impact anytime soon, Redskin fans...
...that's all I've got.
I hung out with some of my contacts within the organization last night. Doc Walker was fighting the flu, or he would have joined us, as well.
There was a lot of bemused head-shaking going on - does it surprise any of you that while the entire Athletic Training Staffs of the other 31 Teams are at the combine, the Redskins' own are not? So, not only are they not getting a chance to see and work with the rookie class invitees, they are missing out on valuable networking opportunities - one of the most beneficial sidelights of the combine are all the Training Staffs getting together and comparing notes about what approaches they are using, what's working and not working, new and innovative techniques in Strength and Conditioning, etc...and our guys are sitting home. Lovely.
For the record, in NFL circles, Jerry Gray is regarded as not only one of the best Secondary Coaches in the NFL, he's potentially got a very bright future as a Head Coach, and if the Redskins didn't put the ki-bosh on the first interview he was offered, apparently several other Teams would have brought him in for a chat. It's my understanding that when Blache steps down, if Gray is willing to stay with the Team, he'll be the next D-Coord / Asst Head Coach-Defense or some other such Title.
Thomas, Kelly, Davis, Rinehardt, Tryon, Moore, Jackson and Brennan - don't count on any of them making a noticeable impact anytime soon, Redskin fans...
...that's all I've got.
T Bell
Footballguy
Thanks for the info, nittany. The Gibbs years are looking more and more like chrome wheels slapped onto a jalopy.
The only thing I'd say in response about Czaban is that he's a one-trick pony, all bile and negativity all the time. It's his good fortune that the team is poorly run and deserving of criticism right now, but rather than lauding him for his insight I tend to attribute it more to the luck of the clock which is broken but still right twice per day.
The only thing I'd say in response about Czaban is that he's a one-trick pony, all bile and negativity all the time. It's his good fortune that the team is poorly run and deserving of criticism right now, but rather than lauding him for his insight I tend to attribute it more to the luck of the clock which is broken but still right twice per day.
With Kelly, are people expecting his knees will not or never heal? Or are there other issues with Kelly.
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
It's his knees. Outside of that, he's a great prospect.
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
Just saw on PFT that Marcus Washington has been cut.
Also, Zorn says that the team will be active in free agency, and that they're looking to resign DeAngelo and Kendall.
Also, Zorn says that the team will be active in free agency, and that they're looking to resign DeAngelo and Kendall.
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
I agree wrt Kendall. From what I've read, they're talking about bringing him back for 1 - 1.5 million. While he's obviously a 1 year stop gap at this point, I don't think they're going to be able to find a better replacement at this price for next season, unless they draft a G high in the draft and the rookie pans out.
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
Also, I'll go ahead and start this rumor, with the draft about 2 months away. I could easily see Danny and Vinny doing something this dumb.
The Redskins could be looking to trade up to the top of the 1st round, parting with their 2010 1st rounder and other picks, so they can select WR, Texas Tech, Michael Crabtree.
The Redskins could be looking to trade up to the top of the 1st round, parting with their 2010 1st rounder and other picks, so they can select WR, Texas Tech, Michael Crabtree.
That would be pretty dumb.The Redskins have been obsessed with wide receivers for so long. Lavernius Cole, Santana Moss, Antwan Randle El, Brandon Lloyd, David Patten, Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly. They also flirted with Chad Johnson and talked about drafting Ginn. With all this attention, it hard to imagine it's a team weakness every year.I doubt they will trade up, but I could definately see them taking a WR later in the draft because they just have to have him.
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Sebowski
Footballguy
Kendall isn't worth a ham sandwich at this point. He can not stay in shape for a full season anymore. He would be a fine backup, but that is it. If he wants the minimum, fine. Just make sure there is competition at that spot. Now that I think about, you can buy a lot of ham sandwiches for the vet minimum.
Sebowski
Footballguy
I don't see this happening at all. That would be worse than any move Al Davis or Snyder have ever made.Here is Zorn on the WRs
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...9021903025.html
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
I hope to god it doesn't happen. It wouldn't be quite as bad as the nixed Ocho trade last year, but it would be close.
fatness
Footballguy
First of all I really appreciate all the information in your post.nittanylion said:
As for why I have issues with Czaban (and I don't with Andy Polian):He talks over top everyone else, repeatedly. He interrupts Andy, interrupts the local sports updates, and has held up and derailed too many ongoing radio topics to ever count. He's no more informed than the others on the show but he just barges in and monopolizes topics.
He treats his spur-of-the-moment opinions as just as airworthy as current sports topics. He gets some off-the-wall thought in his head, barges into the talk with it, and monopolizes as much discussion as he can with it.
He grills others about their opinions yet often won't support his own opinions.
He injects his political and social views into the show too often. Especially his derogatory opinions of female athletes and journalists. And along with this is his strange and very repeated obsession with Michelle Wie. There's something weird going on with that..............
Other than that he's great.
He did ratchet down a bit about a month after 980 ####canned his morning Fox show and his ego got over it, and has been doing a better job maintaining a friendly flow of sports-related conversation with Andy.
buster c
Footballguy
count me in as a big Czabe fan. one-trick pony? Tinker, bile and negativity are 2 tricks, officially...add in his creative takes and edgy sense of humor, and you've got a legit radio personality. Fox Radio thinks so. Andy is a good foil. he's often full of it, but his knowledge of the skins is savant-like.First of all I really appreciate all the information in your post.nittanylion said:
He talks over top everyone else, repeatedly. He interrupts Andy, interrupts the local sports updates, and has held up and derailed too many ongoing radio topics to ever count. He's no more informed than the others on the show but he just barges in and monopolizes topics.
He treats his spur-of-the-moment opinions as just as airworthy as current sports topics. He gets some off-the-wall thought in his head, barges into the talk with it, and monopolizes as much discussion as he can with it.
He grills others about their opinions yet often won't support his own opinions.
He injects his political and social views into the show too often. Especially his derogatory opinions of female athletes and journalists. And along with this is his strange and very repeated obsession with Michelle Wie. There's something weird going on with that..............
Other than that he's great.
He did ratchet down a bit about a month after 980 ####canned his morning Fox show and his ego got over it, and has been doing a better job maintaining a friendly flow of sports-related conversation with Andy.
fatness
Footballguy
Sebowski
Footballguy
Put me down as a hater. He comes off as a total blow-hard to me. I'd compare him to Cowherd, but at least Cowherd can be funny sometimes. I hate that a local station picked up his fox show. At least I have 4 other sports stations in San Diego to flip to.count me in as a big Czabe fan. one-trick pony? Tinker, bile and negativity are 2 tricks, officially...add in his creative takes and edgy sense of humor, and you've got a legit radio personality. Fox Radio thinks so. Andy is a good foil. he's often full of it, but his knowledge of the skins is savant-like.First of all I really appreciate all the information in your post.nittanylion said:
He talks over top everyone else, repeatedly. He interrupts Andy, interrupts the local sports updates, and has held up and derailed too many ongoing radio topics to ever count. He's no more informed than the others on the show but he just barges in and monopolizes topics.
He treats his spur-of-the-moment opinions as just as airworthy as current sports topics. He gets some off-the-wall thought in his head, barges into the talk with it, and monopolizes as much discussion as he can with it.
He grills others about their opinions yet often won't support his own opinions.
He injects his political and social views into the show too often. Especially his derogatory opinions of female athletes and journalists. And along with this is his strange and very repeated obsession with Michelle Wie. There's something weird going on with that..............
Other than that he's great.
He did ratchet down a bit about a month after 980 ####canned his morning Fox show and his ego got over it, and has been doing a better job maintaining a friendly flow of sports-related conversation with Andy.
T Bell
Footballguy
Well, that would be interesting. Hey Czabe, you suck!
I met nittanylion last August at a Balt/Wash FBG auction draft. I can report that he is NOT Steve Czaban, but he IS an excellent chef. He mixed up some fantastic shrimp salad.
(By the way, we're hoping to expand that league from 10 to 14 teams. Check it out near the bottom of the page in LFL)
(By the way, we're hoping to expand that league from 10 to 14 teams. Check it out near the bottom of the page in LFL)
fatness
Footballguy
New Pre-Draft blog at the Washington Post (good idea)
That article is about the top 5 OT's in the draft. I read this, from Michael Other, and kind of stopped in my tracks. Sometimes it's easy to overlook how lucky you are in life.
That article is about the top 5 OT's in the draft. I read this, from Michael Other, and kind of stopped in my tracks. Sometimes it's easy to overlook how lucky you are in life.
fatness
Footballguy
fatness
Footballguy
fatness
Footballguy
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
Peter King was speculating in MMQB that the only team in contention for Albert Haynesworth's services besides Tennessee is Washington.
Don't know how much stock, if any, is to be put into this. It didn't seem like he had a firm source or anything. Keep in mind a few years back King speculated that Danny Wuerfell would blow up as a fantasy qb.
Don't know how much stock, if any, is to be put into this. It didn't seem like he had a firm source or anything. Keep in mind a few years back King speculated that Danny Wuerfell would blow up as a fantasy qb.
T Bell
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