***Official 2009 Philadelphia Eagles Thread*** (1 Viewer)

[Ash]

I get what you are saying but I honestly don't have much faith in their ability to draft skill position players. Their track record in drafting RBs, WRs, and TEs is rather poor.

Well see I hear that a lot and yet...they got the ultimate skill position pick, their franchise QB, right...and did that in a year when EVERYONE wanted them to take Ricky Williams. They also got DeSean Jackson right, and Westbrook right [in the 3rd round!]. But even if we accept your point at face value, to me that's the reason they wouldn't want to take an RB in the 1st. Better to whiff on a 2nd or 3rd round skill player then commit 1st round money to one.

OK, skill positions drafted during Reid's tenure:Hits as in players who have made a contribution commeasurate with their draft position

2006 4 109 Jason Avant WR Michigan

2004 5 162 Thomas Tapeh RB Minnesota

2003 2 61 L.J. Smith TE Rutgers

2002 3 91 Brian Westbrook RB Villanova

2001 4 121 Correll Buckhalter RB Nebraska

2001 5 155 A.J. Feeley QB Oregon

1999 1 2 Donovan McNabb QB Syracuse

1999 6 172 Cecil Martin FB Wisconsin

The list is inflated a bit by the likes of Cecil Martin and Tapeh who started or played regularly from late draft picks.

Misses guys who have made limited contribution, or should have done more coming from their draft position

2005 2 35 Reggie Brown WR Georgia

2005 3 77 Ryan Moats RB Louisiana Tech

2003 3 95 Billy McMullen WR Virginia

2001 1 25 Freddie Mitchell WR UCLA

2000 2 36 Todd Pinkston WR Southern Mississippi

2000 4 99 Gari Scott WR Michigan State

1999 4 130 Na Brown WR North Carolina

I've removed all the misses from the 5th or later, as I think it's just a bonus if they produce anything, but here they are for completeness

1999 6 201 Troy Smith WR East Carolina

1999 7 208 Jed Weaver TE Oregon

2000 6 171 Thomas Hamner RB Minnesota

2004 6 185 Andy Hall QB Delaware

2004 7 242 Bruce Perry RB Maryland

2002 5 162 Freddie Milons WR Alabama

2006 5 147 Jeremy Bloom WR Colorado

2001 5 147 Tony Stewart TE Penn State

They've drafted 3 backs in early rounds (1-4), hit on Westy and Buck, missed on Moats. Sorry bunch of WRs in the Miss pile though. Maybe too hard on Brown, but he's an early 2nd round pick, he should be starting and improving, not regressing.

ETA: used 2006 and back, to give a fair timeframe for the picks to pan out or not. Jackson would be a hit, Hunt a miss of they were included.

 

[Mcnabbfan]

As much as I would love the Eagles pick up a Moreno, I am not buying it. Here is my two cents. The guy I think the Eagles will target if he falls is Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas. Rick Gosselin's final mock has Orakpo falling to Denver at 18. I see the Eagles trading up, San Diego maybe, to grab Orakpo.If they can't get Orakpo, they will do what they do best and trade down. I don't see them taking a rb until the second round.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

I get what you are saying but I honestly don't have much faith in their ability to draft skill position players. Their track record in drafting RBs, WRs, and TEs is rather poor.

Well see I hear that a lot and yet...they got the ultimate skill position pick, their franchise QB, right...and did that in a year when EVERYONE wanted them to take Ricky Williams. They also got DeSean Jackson right, and Westbrook right [in the 3rd round!]. But even if we accept your point at face value, to me that's the reason they wouldn't want to take an RB in the 1st. Better to whiff on a 2nd or 3rd round skill player then commit 1st round money to one.

OK, skill positions drafted during Reid's tenure:Hits as in players who have made a contribution commeasurate with their draft position

2003 2 61 L.J. Smith TE Rutgers

Drafting LJ Smith while Jason Witten was still on the board was not a hit IMO.

 

[allaces10]

As much as I would love the Eagles pick up a Moreno, I am not buying it. Here is my two cents. The guy I think the Eagles will target if he falls is Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas. Rick Gosselin's final mock has Orakpo falling to Denver at 18. I see the Eagles trading up, San Diego maybe, to grab Orakpo.If they can't get Orakpo, they will do what they do best and trade down. I don't see them taking a rb until the second round.

Agree 100%. This is exactly what i think they will do.

 

[JetMaxx]

I get what you are saying but I honestly don't have much faith in their ability to draft skill position players. Their track record in drafting RBs, WRs, and TEs is rather poor.

Well see I hear that a lot and yet...they got the ultimate skill position pick, their franchise QB, right...and did that in a year when EVERYONE wanted them to take Ricky Williams. They also got DeSean Jackson right, and Westbrook right [in the 3rd round!]. But even if we accept your point at face value, to me that's the reason they wouldn't want to take an RB in the 1st. Better to whiff on a 2nd or 3rd round skill player then commit 1st round money to one.

OK, skill positions drafted during Reid's tenure:Hits as in players who have made a contribution commeasurate with their draft position

2006 4 109 Jason Avant WR Michigan

2004 5 162 Thomas Tapeh RB Minnesota

2003 2 61 L.J. Smith TE Rutgers

2002 3 91 Brian Westbrook RB Villanova

2001 4 121 Correll Buckhalter RB Nebraska

1999 6 172 Cecil Martin FB Wisconsin

The list is inflated a bit by the likes of Cecil Martin and Tapeh who started or played regularly from late draft picks.

Misses guys who have made limited contribution, or should have done more coming from their draft position

2005 2 35 Reggie Brown WR Georgia

2005 3 77 Ryan Moats RB Louisiana Tech

2003 3 95 Billy McMullen WR Virginia

2001 1 25 Freddie Mitchell WR UCLA

2000 2 36 Todd Pinkston WR Southern Mississippi

2000 4 99 Gari Scott WR Michigan State

1999 4 130 Na Brown WR North Carolina

I've removed all the misses from the 5th or later, as I think it's just a bonus if they produce anything, but here they are for completeness

1999 6 201 Troy Smith WR East Carolina

1999 7 208 Jed Weaver TE Oregon

2000 6 171 Thomas Hamner RB Minnesota

2004 6 185 Andy Hall QB Delaware

2004 7 242 Bruce Perry RB Maryland

2002 5 162 Freddie Milons WR Alabama

2006 5 147 Jeremy Bloom WR Colorado

2001 5 147 Tony Stewart TE Penn State

They've drafted 3 backs in early rounds (1-4), hit on Westy and Buck, missed on Moats. Sorry bunch of WRs in the Miss pile though. Maybe too hard on Brown, but he's an early 2nd round pick, he should be starting and improving, not regressing.

ETA: used 2006 and back, to give a fair timeframe for the picks to pan out or not. Jackson would be a hit, Hunt a miss of they were included.

Thanks for making my point for me. I specifically said RBs, WRs, and TEs. If you remove McNabb and Feeley, discount 2 forgettable FBs in Tapeh and Martin, what does that leave you in TEN YEARS of drafting skill position players?!?!

 

[vinwinephans]

All due respect to DH, I don't have any reason to believe Wells is off the board. He's not a character risk and is the consensus top RB prospect. But that wasn't the point of the query.

Consensus according to who? I've seen more sources and mocks rank Moreno above Wells.

I think JW is a few months behind the rest of the world on this topic

I know ourlads (sp?) had Wells as the best RB in the draft, but even then, during an interview I heard on the radio they still had the Eagles taking Moreno. There arguement was he was the back that best complimented the Eagles offensive style.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

All due respect to DH, I don't have any reason to believe Wells is off the board. He's not a character risk and is the consensus top RB prospect. But that wasn't the point of the query.

Consensus according to who? I've seen more sources and mocks rank Moreno above Wells.

I think JW is a few months behind the rest of the world on this topic

I know ourlads (sp?) had Wells as the best RB in the draft, but even then, during an interview I heard on the radio they still had the Eagles taking Moreno. There arguement was he was the back that best complimented the Eagles offensive style.

They should pay attention to their own siteWells to Philly

 

[musicman_17046]

All due respect to DH, I don't have any reason to believe Wells is off the board. He's not a character risk and is the consensus top RB prospect. But that wasn't the point of the query.

Consensus according to who? I've seen more sources and mocks rank Moreno above Wells.

I think JW is a few months behind the rest of the world on this topic

I know ourlads (sp?) had Wells as the best RB in the draft, but even then, during an interview I heard on the radio they still had the Eagles taking Moreno. There arguement was he was the back that best complimented the Eagles offensive style.

They should pay attention to their own siteWells to Philly

I've heard too many experts mention Wells lack of consistant effort and heart,I hope the Birds see his lack of receiving ability as well and stay away from him.

 

[vinwinephans]

All due respect to DH, I don't have any reason to believe Wells is off the board. He's not a character risk and is the consensus top RB prospect. But that wasn't the point of the query.

Consensus according to who? I've seen more sources and mocks rank Moreno above Wells.

I think JW is a few months behind the rest of the world on this topic

I know ourlads (sp?) had Wells as the best RB in the draft, but even then, during an interview I heard on the radio they still had the Eagles taking Moreno. There arguement was he was the back that best complimented the Eagles offensive style.

They should pay attention to their own siteWells to Philly

Yes, they mentioned they had them taking Wells cause he was their best back in their mock, but the guy that was on talk extensively on how Moreno was a good choice as well.

 

[JetMaxx]

A couple post draft thoughts to look for:

I put the Bubba Franks name out there a few days back as a blocking TE that would come in if they don't get Pettigrew and settle for one of the pass catching TEs in rd 3.

I'll speculate even further that if the Eagles pass on/don't have the chance to pick Moreno and get more of a developmental guy later in the draft, I wouldn't be shocked if they signed Warrick Dunn post draft to be the backup RB this year. He's old, way past his prime, but they showed interest in the past.

 

[Mighty Mice]

A couple post draft thoughts to look for:I put the Bubba Franks name out there a few days back as a blocking TE that would come in if they don't get Pettigrew and settle for one of the pass catching TEs in rd 3.I'll speculate even further that if the Eagles pass on/don't have the chance to pick Moreno and get more of a developmental guy later in the draft, I wouldn't be shocked if they signed Warrick Dunn post draft to be the backup RB this year. He's old, way past his prime, but they showed interest in the past.

If the Eagles are unwilling or unable to bring in talent at RB and TE through the draft, and bring in Bubba Franks and Warrick Dunn, I'd be pretty dang ticked off. :( Not saying it can't or won't happen, but why?

 

[JetMaxx]

A couple post draft thoughts to look for:I put the Bubba Franks name out there a few days back as a blocking TE that would come in if they don't get Pettigrew and settle for one of the pass catching TEs in rd 3.I'll speculate even further that if the Eagles pass on/don't have the chance to pick Moreno and get more of a developmental guy later in the draft, I wouldn't be shocked if they signed Warrick Dunn post draft to be the backup RB this year. He's old, way past his prime, but they showed interest in the past.

If the Eagles are unwilling or unable to bring in talent at RB and TE through the draft, and bring in Bubba Franks and Warrick Dunn, I'd be pretty dang ticked off. :( Not saying it can't or won't happen, but why?

In order to draft their beloved CBs and DLs in the 1st and 2nd rd. If they do that I wouldn't be shocked to see either of these guys in Eagles' green next year.

 

[stevegamer]

Just out of curiosity, why isn't anyone talking about Beanie Wells? In Sigmund, Cecil and Matt's mock on the Audible last night, Wells was the Eagles pick. Would that bother you and, if so, why?

Yes, it would. I'm not convinced Wells is a good receiver. I think Wells is soft & lazy. I think his running style may make him more injury-prone.

 

[Donny Loved Bowling]

As much as I would love the Eagles pick up a Moreno, I am not buying it. Here is my two cents. The guy I think the Eagles will target if he falls is Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas. Rick Gosselin's final mock has Orakpo falling to Denver at 18. I see the Eagles trading up, San Diego maybe, to grab Orakpo.If they can't get Orakpo, they will do what they do best and trade down. I don't see them taking a rb until the second round.

I've been thinking that Orakpo is the DE that DH alluded to earlier in this thread... he said there was a top DE that the Eagles thought they could get, but DH didn't think it was very likely that he'd fall. Perhaps trading into the teens to nail him has been their plan all along.

 

[stevegamer]

I'm really struggling to understand why everyone is fixated on Knowshon Moreno

Perhaps because he's a high character, team leader type of player who has unique skills as a ball carrier, is an excellent blocker and fine receiver out of the backfield? Perhaps because he has produced against top flight competition in the SEC(unlike Brown, Jennings) isn't slow and small(McCoy)?

Perhaps because he is the IDEAL fit because of the fact that he's a remarkably talented, productive player at one of the biggest positions of need on the team?

Sounds great, except that we pick at 1.21. This isn't a guy considered to be an elite, can't miss prospect. If he were, he wouldn't be projected to be available at 1.21 like his is in every mock.

BUT, I think fans are setting themselves up to a point where if we don't take Moreno they're going to cry foul when we could EASILY get significant RB help in the 2nd, 3rd or later rounds. Philly will take the best player available, and the odds of that being Moreno aren't that high given all the positions in the draft.

Jason:The can't miss prospect goes at 1.01. And then they still miss sometimes. there is no such thing as a can't miss prospect, nor is there any reason to think you'll get an elite player at 1.21 if all information was perfect. But it most certainly isn't.

Also, if you notice, the Eagles MO is to try and replace players just before they need replacing. Right now, Westy is on his last legs, and to keep the system, we need a similar back. The reason people are looking Moreno over Wells, is due to system fit, and that Wells has some question marks.

Plus, Wells is not the consensus #1 back in the draft. In fact, before the combine, it was more likely Moreno, but he ran slow, and Wells wowed, so it's muddled and good for us.

Lastly, would that later pick be somebody like Tony Hunt? I'm guessing since it's easy to find those guys, Hunt could step up for us this year, and we don't really need a RB. Or maybe we just need to draft the next Correll Buckhalter - but we need to be pretty sure it's not the next Ryan Moats.

 

[bighandsray]

Man, this 4pm start time is killing me. I'm watchin the little guy and he is napping now and watching ESPN is not helping. I need somebody on the clock! Somebody post a fake rumor for me or something. I guess I will just keep the beer flowing.

BTW my head might explode if they take a CB with their first pick

 

[awesomeness]

Just out of curiosity, why isn't anyone talking about Beanie Wells? In Sigmund, Cecil and Matt's mock on the Audible last night, Wells was the Eagles pick. Would that bother you and, if so, why?

Yes, it would. I'm not convinced Wells is a good receiver. I think Wells is soft & lazy. I think his running style may make him more injury-prone.

agreed. I would be pretty upset if they drafted Beanie. Fortunately i highly doubt they would draft him.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

I got a text 20 minutes ago saying: "I think we're going to get Boldin. Keep your fingers crossed!"

This is my last post until late tonight. I'll be at a friends house all day for draft festivities......

 

[scratcher]

I got a text 20 minutes ago saying: "I think we're going to get Boldin. Keep your fingers crossed!"This is my last post until late tonight. I'll be at a friends house all day for draft festivities......

DH, I dont tell you this enough but.... I love you.

 

[bighandsray]

I got a text 20 minutes ago saying: "I think we're going to get Boldin. Keep your fingers crossed!"This is my last post until late tonight. I'll be at a friends house all day for draft festivities......

I hope this is not the fake rumor I was asking for. If they get Boldin or Moreno I do not care who else they pick. Thanks for the info as always. Any clue as to wether it is for their 1st or 2nd rounder?

 

[Domination]

I got a text 20 minutes ago saying: "I think we're going to get Boldin. Keep your fingers crossed!"This is my last post until late tonight. I'll be at a friends house all day for draft festivities......

DH,I think I love you. This news right here should hold me over due to the 4pm start. Also, just to note on the Beanie Wells idea. I think he would be great for the Eagles. Everyone always cries that we don't have a back that can get the tough yard(s), but you are all looking for them to draft a guy in Moreno that you say is a player exactly like Westy. With the exception of being a good receiver out of the backfield, Moreno is nothing like Westy. I think Beanie would be a good compliment to Westy, and possibly prolong his career, as was in Jax with FTaylor. I would rather keep Westy around and have a guy to help, then try to replace him.

 

[Bob Wiley]

I got a text 20 minutes ago saying: "I think we're going to get Boldin. Keep your fingers crossed!"This is my last post until late tonight. I'll be at a friends house all day for draft festivities......

DH, I dont tell you this enough but.... I love you.

 

[Mighty Mice]

I got a text 20 minutes ago saying: "I think we're going to get Boldin. Keep your fingers crossed!"This is my last post until late tonight. I'll be at a friends house all day for draft festivities......

Love to have him, but intrigued what we will be giving up...

 

[Domination]

I got a text 20 minutes ago saying: "I think we're going to get Boldin. Keep your fingers crossed!"This is my last post until late tonight. I'll be at a friends house all day for draft festivities......

One question I did want to ask... Now that Boldin is available, BE seems to be forgotten about. I think I would prefer the younger BE, but wouldn't complain about either. I just look at it as, Boldin is older and has an injury history. If all things were even I would take Edwards.

 

[zadok]

Just a question for all of the Eagles fans in here...How upset are you all going to be when Moreno is there at pick #21, and the Eagles don't take him? Either because they pick someone else or trade back.

Extremely.

 

[E-A-G-L-E-S]

I got a text 20 minutes ago saying: "I think we're going to get Boldin. Keep your fingers crossed!"This is my last post until late tonight. I'll be at a friends house all day for draft festivities......

Boldin +Peters+Weaver+ RB= ....best offseason evah (except for TO )

 

[JetMaxx]

I got a text 20 minutes ago saying: "I think we're going to get Boldin. Keep your fingers crossed!"This is my last post until late tonight. I'll be at a friends house all day for draft festivities......

Good news since it would seem that they would be able to get him for less than their 1st this year.

 

[LTsharks]

I got a text 20 minutes ago saying: "I think we're going to get Boldin. Keep your fingers crossed!"This is my last post until late tonight. I'll be at a friends house all day for draft festivities......

DH, I dont tell you this enough but.... I love you.

but at the same time you are killing me!! i can't wait!!

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I got a text 20 minutes ago saying: "I think we're going to get Boldin. Keep your fingers crossed!"This is my last post until late tonight. I'll be at a friends house all day for draft festivities......

Boldin +Peters+Weaver+ RB= ....best offseason evah (except for TO )

We could be looking at the first ever NFL Draft parade down Broad Street if this happens....

 

[Mighty Mice]

I got a text 20 minutes ago saying: "I think we're going to get Boldin. Keep your fingers crossed!"This is my last post until late tonight. I'll be at a friends house all day for draft festivities......

Boldin +Peters+Stacy Andrews+Weaver+ RB= ....best offseason evah (even better than getting TO )

Upgrades at both tackles, a real-life FB with WCO experience, a legit WR1 who is tough as nails, and a talented RB to pair with Westbrook would set a new bar for Eagles off-season excellence. It also makes them the NFC faves, IMO.

 

[Meat]

I got a text 20 minutes ago saying: "I think we're going to get Boldin. Keep your fingers crossed!"This is my last post until late tonight. I'll be at a friends house all day for draft festivities......

Boldin +Peters+Stacy Andrews+Weaver+ RB= ....best offseason evah (even better than getting TO )

Upgrades at both tackles, a real-life FB with WCO experience, a legit WR1 who is tough as nails, and a talented RB to pair with Westbrook would set a new bar for Eagles off-season excellence. It also makes them the NFC faves, IMO.

Let's cross our fingers, could be a great day.

 

[Sunday@1]

I got a text 20 minutes ago saying: "I think we're going to get Boldin. Keep your fingers crossed!"This is my last post until late tonight. I'll be at a friends house all day for draft festivities......

Boldin +Peters+Stacy Andrews+Weaver+ RB= ....best offseason evah (even better than getting TO )

Upgrades at both tackles, a real-life FB with WCO experience, a legit WR1 who is tough as nails, and a talented RB to pair with Westbrook would set a new bar for Eagles off-season excellence. It also makes them the NFC faves, IMO.

:X Let's cross our fingers, could be a great day.

From your lips to Joe Banner's & King Andy's ears

 

[Game Time]

It sounds too good to be true so I won't get excited or believe anything until I see/hear it

 

[Jason Wood]

As much as I'm loving this thread of late, I'm regretting it right now b/c I now have sky high expectations for how this weekend will unfold. :X

 

[Game Time]

As much as I'm loving this thread of late, I'm regretting it right now b/c I now have sky high expectations for how this weekend will unfold. :X

True.. but the Eagles have had a real good offseason so far, so anything else is gravy now.. they land a stud WR, address the TE, RB, etc ... anything else to help is just gravy...

 

[Sludge]

What a great weekend so far; watching the Flyers trying to force a game 7, waiting on what happens with the Birds and thinking about the Sixers and Phils late game heroics last night.

I hear it is nice outside but I have no idea since I haven't left the TV or computer the last few hours.

 

[vinwinephans]

What a great weekend so far; watching the Flyers trying to force a game 7, waiting on what happens with the Birds and thinking about the Sixers and Phils late game heroics last night. I hear it is nice outside but I have no idea since I haven't left the TV or computer the last few hours.

I came to post these exact sentiments - good vibes right now all around - why not the birds too.!!??!!

 

[Game Time]

Flyers are rolling!!!!! Time for the Birds to make some noise too!

 

[SouthJersey]

Rumors Of Braylon To Philly Seem Unfounded

Posted by Mike Florio on April 25, 2009, 3:58 p.m. EDT

We’ve been flooded with questions regarding the possibility that the Browns will send receiver Braylon Edwards to the Eagles.

Apparently, someone on Philly radio has floated the possibility of a package that would send Braylon Edwards and the fifth overall pick in the draft to the Eagles for cornerback Sheldon Brown and guard Shawn Andrews.

So we opted to go to one of the bedrocks of Philly radio to find out what’s really going on.

Howard Eskin of WIP told us this by text: “Don’t think they like Edwards because he drops too many balls and not a good fit with the way [Donovan] McNabb throws.”

Eskin also acknowledged that the Eagles are talking to Cleveland, but he added that the Eagles “talk to everybody.”

 

[scratcher]

Well I guess that trade didnt happen... oh well!

 

[Game Time]

would love to know what it was?

 

[Donny Loved Bowling]

BE trade talk could still be alive... just not in a package for #5 too.

Have to believe this lends credibility to DH's late Boldin rumor.

 

[scratcher]

no moreno.

 

[Darth Cheney]

They just closed the Ben Franklin bridge to foot traffic as a army of eagles fans in homemade Moreno jerseys were walking towards it to throw themselves off.

 

[unckeyherb]

here comes the trade out of the first round talk...

####!!!!

 

[Novice2]

Are all the Noshow fans onboard with a play for Boldin now?

 

[Game Time]

Might be the traditional trade back to get some 2nds or more picks next year now...

Possibly Pettigrew?

 

[dotman]

Might be the traditional trade back to get some 2nds or more picks next year now...Possibly Pettigrew?

Maclin is still there

 

[Game Time]

yeah..... I think they look at Ayers if he is still there too...

 

[Snotbubbles]

That Rosenhaus ESPN commercial was pretty funny.