Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
It's funny, I have been thinking about that game all week. Let's just hope it is Vinny carried out in the (symbolic) body bag after the game.
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***Official*** 2009 Washington Redskins Thread (1 Viewer)
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southeastjerome
Footballguy
fatness said:
Frothy Rock Star.
dgreen
Footballguy
Danny will likely need some marketing/PR move that gets fans excited again. Bringing in a legit GM and giving him that title is a start. Making that GM someone with a link to a successful time of this organization's history would be another step in that direction. If Allen could then get Gruden here, that would make fans feel better. Or, if Grimm were to come as the HC and link us with the glory days, that would be yet another step in mending the relationship with fans.
ChrisCooleyFan
Footballguy
I was at this game, in the 700 level at the vet. I was a sophmore in high school, I remember thinking, holy hell BMitch is the qb
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Although I have zero faith in the Skins right now, I don't get this logic at all. Eagles players will be fired up, but Skins players won't? Also, the Skins don't "always play bad on Monday night." Last year was the first bad Monday night game in a while. Santana Moss's 2 TDs in the 4th Quarter in Dallas was a Monday night, as was a Week 2 win over the Eagles in 2007.The rest of that stuff- yeah, not so good. But no reason to make this game look worse than it already does (if that's possible).
dgreen
Footballguy
I remember watching on TV. But, I couldn't remember exactly what the result was until I just now looked it up. I was surprised to see it wasn't 40-7. It looks like they scored in the 4th to make in a 14-point game, so it may have qualified as a "blowout". But, still, I expected worse.And, of course, the Redskins went into Philly in the wild card round that year and won.
dgreen
Footballguy
I think it's more accurate to say the Redskins have been bad at night at Fed Ex Field. The Moss game and that Philly game were on the road.
The bolded is the BIGGEST problem with this team and mind set. The idea that they are somehow connected to the glory days of Gibbs I. What this team needs is less pining for the "good old days" (as good as they were) and more looking forward to new directions and creating new traditions.FWIW, Does any other team still have fans linking to 25 year old schtick, like wearing pig snouts and dresses and calling themselves "Hogettes"?
And the Skins played like dog crap for the first 55 minutes of the Dallas game where Moss caught the two bombs from Brunell.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
The beat the Bears at home on a Thursday night in 2007, which is their second most recent home game at night to my knowledge.Look, the 2009 team is bad, and Monday night could get ugly, I would never dispute that. I just don't like comments that identify trends that don't actually exist. The Skins have more or less been a .500 team for the last decade, and both their Monday night games and their nighttime home games reflect that mediocrity.
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
I don't think there's anything wrong with maintaining the identity of the team. Pittsburgh still has the terrible towels and has built their team around the defense for over three decades. The key, however, is that they have been able to adapt with the game and maintain that while still bringing in new ideas and people. They have perfectly balanced stability and change. In a lot of ways, that organization is the polar opposite of everything that the Redskins have become under Snyder. I agree with your premise though. They shouldn't bring in Allen or Grimm because of what they mean to the Redskins past, they should bring in whoever is the best person(s) for the future.
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Maroney=Sped
Footballguy
What "aura"? Just because poop's wet enough to shine it doesn't mean it has an "aura".
dgreen
Footballguy
Oh, I agree. I think they should - are you ready for this - hire the best man for the job. But, hiring Grimm would bring "excitement" back for some fans. Winning cures everything. In the absence of winning, associating with winning is the next best thing.
Terrible towels, the dog pound, and the black hole off the top of my head. I'm sure there are others.
dgreen
Footballguy
No, there's definitely a MNF trend. I'm not saying it's meaningful, but it does exist. Since Fed Ex opened, they are 1-7 at home on MNF. And that one win was their very first MNF game at Fed Ex against Dallas in 1997.Going through the seasons, I think I identified all their other night games at Fed Ex. On Thursdays, Saturdays, and Sundays at night, they are 3-2-1 :gusheadbutt:.
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ChrisCooleyFan
Footballguy
I give JC alot of credit for coming on the Lavar show today. Total class act 
most guys would of not called in today
most guys would of not called in today
dgreen
Footballguy
Found another Sunday night win: 2002 vs. the Colts. That was the night they trotted out the 75th Anniversary Team and wore those sweet throwbacks. Spurrier pwned Manning again.
And another one: 2003 Saturday night loss in week 17 to Philly. It was Spurrier's last game. Quite the effort in that game. I remember there being three fights in the first quarter in my section. Pretty sure everyone was drunk before the game even started.
They just keep coming: 2004 Sunday night loss to Philly. But, on the bright side, Sean Taylor continued to hit T.O. over and over and over.
And another one: 2003 Saturday night loss in week 17 to Philly. It was Spurrier's last game. Quite the effort in that game. I remember there being three fights in the first quarter in my section. Pretty sure everyone was drunk before the game even started.
They just keep coming: 2004 Sunday night loss to Philly. But, on the bright side, Sean Taylor continued to hit T.O. over and over and over.
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TobiasFunke
Footballguy
That may be a trend, but it's definitely not a meaningful one. Eight games over ten years? You figure they're more or less a .500 team over that stretch, so it's a coin flip to begin with, then you consider that if you're playing on Monday night it's likely a marquee opponent. So you'd expect them to be 4-4 or maybe 3-5, playing at home against marquee opponents. 1-7 isn't really that much of a deviation from that. And the fact that they're above .500 in non-Monday night games at home, and that they've had some success on Monday nights on the road, tells you that it's just an anomaly, not a meaningful trend.
ChrisCooleyFan
Footballguy
Lavar show just said per fanhouse that Shanny declined job for the rest of this season.
Maroney=Sped
Footballguy
Drudge reported that Gruden just faked his own death.Developing . . .
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Right, as I said, only slightly worse than you'd expect from a mediocre team playing against marquee opponents.
dgreen
Footballguy
I think the main thing to take from this is that this team does just enough every year to make people think they are worthy of being showcased on nationally televised games and they don't measure up against other teams who are also expected to be good.Not sure if I have the energy right now to see how they fared on the road in the same time span. It would be interesting if that was much different.
dgreen
Footballguy
So you're telling me there's a chance...
ChrisCooleyFan
Footballguy
Thats what Lavar and Chad are asking now
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Agreed. They're a draw, and they always will be, because the fanbase is huge and devoted and because they play in the division that has historically been the best one in the NFL. All that means for the fanbase is more embarrassments on the national stage for a couple of years.That said, I'm not convinced this Monday will be a total debacle. A loss, probably, but I could see the Skins making it interesting. I disagree that the Eagles' blitzing tendency presents new problems for the Skins. It's not like the offensive line is gonna get any worse. Hopefully Campbell gets the start and has one last hurrah in the short passing game against the blitz, before shuffling off to clipboard-holding duties elsewhere.
I have one other thought:
I have said that firing Zorn at this point accomplishes nothing. You are still stuck with the players and coaches that remain.
However, you can fire the GM now. That allows Snyder to start his GM search right now. And he can start talking to Ron Wolf, Floyd Reese, even Joe Gibbs as potential GMs. He can even hire him before the season ends and start the search for the new head coach as soon as the season ends.
Plus Snyder will score big points for getting rid of Cerrato sooner rather than later.
I have said that firing Zorn at this point accomplishes nothing. You are still stuck with the players and coaches that remain.
However, you can fire the GM now. That allows Snyder to start his GM search right now. And he can start talking to Ron Wolf, Floyd Reese, even Joe Gibbs as potential GMs. He can even hire him before the season ends and start the search for the new head coach as soon as the season ends.
Plus Snyder will score big points for getting rid of Cerrato sooner rather than later.
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buster c
Footballguy
worst part about the body bag game: after PR Walter Stanley got hurt they were helping him off the field and he was crying like a baby
best part: the grudge match - a playoff road win. set the foundation for the '91 championship squad. Classic Gibbs.Dexter Manley
Footballguy
Get rid of Vinny C. now, and start looking for a competent GM. This will give the team a pretty big head start over all the other ones who are going to be replacing their GM's after the season.Also, as you alluded to, axing Vinny C. right now would give Danny a huge temporary spike in popularity among the fanbase.Dexter Manley
Footballguy
Here's something to distract redskins fans for 30 - 60 seconds:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/extr...form/index.html
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/extr...form/index.html
Maroney=Sped
Footballguy
Bankerguy
Footballguy
Holy crap-pure awesomeness.<-- click me
fatness
Footballguy
fatness
Footballguy
There's a pretty good funeral dirge on that page, too.
ChrisCooleyFan
Footballguy
http://walterfootball.com/draft2010.php
Washington Redskins: Tim Tebow, QB, Florida
There have been reports that Jon Gruden is atop Daniel Snyder's wish list for his next head coach. Snyder would prefer Gruden over someone like Mike Shanahan, because Shanahan would want complete control over player operations.
If Snyder gets his way and hires Gruden, you can bet all the money you have that Gruden will draft Tim Tebow and install the Wildcat as a staple of Washington's offense.
There's also little doubt that Snyder will support this. Snyder loves going after big-name players and will be looking for a franchise quarterback. Snyder has a sharp business mind, so he knows how much revenue he can make with an iconic figure like Tebow.
Pick change; previously Jake Locker, QB
I'm on record of calling this and I will cut off my right leg (have Skins tattoo) if tis happens
Washington Redskins: Tim Tebow, QB, Florida
There have been reports that Jon Gruden is atop Daniel Snyder's wish list for his next head coach. Snyder would prefer Gruden over someone like Mike Shanahan, because Shanahan would want complete control over player operations.
If Snyder gets his way and hires Gruden, you can bet all the money you have that Gruden will draft Tim Tebow and install the Wildcat as a staple of Washington's offense.
There's also little doubt that Snyder will support this. Snyder loves going after big-name players and will be looking for a franchise quarterback. Snyder has a sharp business mind, so he knows how much revenue he can make with an iconic figure like Tebow.
Pick change; previously Jake Locker, QB
I'm on record of calling this and I will cut off my right leg (have Skins tattoo) if tis happens
fatness
Footballguy
Warpath Confidential"Hey Sherm, we've got another job for you. These results don't look too bad, do they?"
ChrisCooleyFan
Footballguy
This is even worse
http://www.nfldraftdog.com/Mock-Drafts/201...mock-draft.html
2. QB Jimmy Clausen, Notre Dame (JR) QB Jason Campbell is washed up in DC. The Skins need to tear their team down and start over.
Clausen has really developed this year and looks ready to make the leap into the NFL. He has NFL caliber size (6' 3" 217 lbs) and arm strength. Developed by offensive guru Charlie Weis and playing in a pro style offense will help him in the NFL.
http://www.nfldraftdog.com/Mock-Drafts/201...mock-draft.html
2. QB Jimmy Clausen, Notre Dame (JR) QB Jason Campbell is washed up in DC. The Skins need to tear their team down and start over.
Clausen has really developed this year and looks ready to make the leap into the NFL. He has NFL caliber size (6' 3" 217 lbs) and arm strength. Developed by offensive guru Charlie Weis and playing in a pro style offense will help him in the NFL.
Maroney=Sped
Footballguy
Does Snyder hate blacks? If so, I think we have a really good case that he's the reincarnation of George Preston Marshall.http://walterfootball.com/draft2010.php
Washington Redskins: Tim Tebow, QB, Florida
There have been reports that Jon Gruden is atop Daniel Snyder's wish list for his next head coach. Snyder would prefer Gruden over someone like Mike Shanahan, because Shanahan would want complete control over player operations.
If Snyder gets his way and hires Gruden, you can bet all the money you have that Gruden will draft Tim Tebow and install the Wildcat as a staple of Washington's offense.
There's also little doubt that Snyder will support this. Snyder loves going after big-name players and will be looking for a franchise quarterback. Snyder has a sharp business mind, so he knows how much revenue he can make with an iconic figure like Tebow.
Pick change; previously Jake Locker, QB
fatness
Footballguy
Clausen would be an improvement over any QB on the Skins right now. Kid can throw the ball, especially the deep pass.
southeastjerome
Footballguy
I've had this awful feeling for some time now too. Tebow just seems like the sort of player that Snyder becomes infatuated with.http://walterfootball.com/draft2010.php
Washington Redskins: Tim Tebow, QB, Florida
There have been reports that Jon Gruden is atop Daniel Snyder's wish list for his next head coach. Snyder would prefer Gruden over someone like Mike Shanahan, because Shanahan would want complete control over player operations.
If Snyder gets his way and hires Gruden, you can bet all the money you have that Gruden will draft Tim Tebow and install the Wildcat as a staple of Washington's offense.
There's also little doubt that Snyder will support this. Snyder loves going after big-name players and will be looking for a franchise quarterback. Snyder has a sharp business mind, so he knows how much revenue he can make with an iconic figure like Tebow.
Pick change; previously Jake Locker, QB
I'm on record of calling this and I will cut off my right leg (have Skins tattoo) if tis happens
If Jon Gruden really wants to install the wildcat as the base formation, wouldn't Michael Vick be the perfect QB for it?
Sebowski
Footballguy
Maybe 4 years ago. Vick is much slower now.
buster c
Footballguy
Bruce Allen is the mold from which
was built. bad news if he is hired - mark my words. no chance he'd stand up to the owner. but he's been out of the game for a while...so it would be an ideal hire from Snyder's perspective.
Binky The Doormat
Footballguy
So Skin homers ...does Collins start next week?
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